tsrinc.com ... waiting on InterNIC
TSR Online Coordinator - TSRinc@aol.com
A post from the TSR Online Coordinator....
The site is ready, and everything is plugged in (pretty much). Now
we're just waiting for InterNIC to update the domain name pointer. Once
that happens, it should go live. However, I unfortunately don't know
when that will be ... apparently InterNIC is really bogged down and is
slow to get these things done.
Please don't get mad at them, though ... the registration for the
tsrinc.com domain was also due, which is just more virtual-paperwork for
them, so that may be part of the delay.
Anyway, you know what to do.
(chorus of voice)
START FLAMING!
::sigh::
--
Sean Reynolds, TSR Online Coordinator
TSR...@aol.com | AOL: keyword TSR | http://users.aol.com/tsrinc/
1997 Gen Con and Winter Fantasy prereg forms are at the sites above.
Coming December 20: http://www.tsrinc.com
The Amorphous Mass
TSR Online Coordinator - TSR...@aol.com (TSR...@aol.com) wrote:
>
> The site is ready, and everything is plugged in (pretty much). Now
>we're just waiting for InterNIC to update the domain name pointer. Once
>that happens, it should go live. However, I unfortunately don't know
>when that will be ... apparently InterNIC is really bogged down and is
>slow to get these things done.
>
> (chorus of voice)
> START FLAMING!
Yeah!!!! T$R SUXXXXX!!! *snort* :-)
Actually, I just rolled my eyes at InterNIC. Apparently they haven't
even been good about identifying and correcting bogus information on their
database, never mind updating legit information. There are more than a
few people in news.admin.net-abuse.* who'd like a few words with them
(including an old college buddy of mine who's a regular in .email --
small world).
Oh, and you can probably remove the "Coming December 20" line from your
.sig now. Or at least replace "December 20" with "Real Soon Now." :-)
--
The Amorphous Mass If I knew what I was doing,
amo...@avalon.net it wouldn't be research.
Steve
In article <skreynE2...@netcom.com>, skr...@netcom.com says...
>
> The site is ready, and everything is plugged in (pretty much). Now
>we're just waiting for InterNIC to update the domain name pointer. Once
>that happens, it should go live. However, I unfortunately don't know
>when that will be ... apparently InterNIC is really bogged down and is
>slow to get these things done.
>
>tsrinc.com domain was also due, which is just more virtual-paperwork for
>them, so that may be part of the delay.
>
I don't mean to be exceptionally picky, but just to clarify things a bit, the
above is not an entirely accurate statement.
The InterNIC is not in the loop at this time. The TSRINC.COM domain name has
been registered for some time (as the results of a "whois" has shown).
I'm guessing (although I'm actually pretty sure) that the delay is for the
various DNS servers around the Net to have their caches updated with the
address of the specific node "www.tsrinc.com"
If anyone has the IP address of the site, that could be used (e.g.
http://###.###.###.###/) and the site should be visible. This assumes the site
is up and running (of course).
The usual time for for propagation of the DNS info is < 24 hours, so stay tuned
eveyone.
If I've spoken out of turn Sean, I apologize, but I do believe this explanation
may help to sooth us restless savages :)
The Golem
>A post from the TSR Online Coordinator....
> The site is ready, and everything is plugged in (pretty much). Now
>we're just waiting for InterNIC to update the domain name pointer. Once
>that happens, it should go live. However, I unfortunately don't know
>when that will be ... apparently InterNIC is really bogged down and is
>slow to get these things done.
>
> Please don't get mad at them, though ... the registration for the
>tsrinc.com domain was also due, which is just more virtual-paperwork for
>them, so that may be part of the delay.
>
> Anyway, you know what to do.
>
> (chorus of voice)
>
> START FLAMING!
[flame mode on]
Damn TSR and their evil ways....
[flame mode off]
Not much of a flame eh? Cause it's InterNIC we should flame!!
Pardon my ignorance here, but can you give us a series of numbers, ie.
###.###.### that point to the site without domain name, isn't it
called an IP address or something. Really, this isn't sarcastic, as I
said, pardon my ignorance.
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Tim Breen
Tim Breen wrote:
> This could be a place/IP address with which to start looking for the TSR
> server...
...or maybe not. Games Online just seems to be another game company. Who
knows why it's their DNS server which is listed on the tsrinc.com
"whois" report?
-- Tim
http://personalweb.lightside.com/Pfiles/breen1.html
" The Red Queen shook her head. "You may call it 'nonsense'
if you like," she said, "but _I've_ heard nonsense, compared
with which that would be as sensible as a dictionary!" "
- Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
Tim Breen
From InterNIC:
tsrinc.com is hosted by gamesonline.com. Their name server is:
DNS.GAMESONLINE.COM 207.77.204.254
This could be a place/IP address with which to start looking for the TSR
server...
-- Tim
^^Angel^^
For some reason I can not get it....my computers says "unable...server
something URL or something entry........or whatever.......
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Jason Hatter
The Amorphous Mass (amo...@avalon.net) wrote:
: Actually, I just rolled my eyes at InterNIC. Apparently they haven't
: even been good about identifying and correcting bogus information on their
: database, never mind updating legit information. There are more than a
: few people in news.admin.net-abuse.* who'd like a few words with them
: (including an old college buddy of mine who's a regular in .email --
: small world).
Tack on several people who use Concentric as well. Seems that several
times whole banks of IP addresses that were assigned to Concentric start
reading as invalid...and InterNIC keeps saying "oh, we'll fix that
problem..."
--
Jason
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RPG stuff at http://www.cris.com/~towonder/rpg.html
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ThresholdMUD
In article <skreynE2...@netcom.com>,
skr...@netcom.com (TSR Online Coordinator - TSR...@aol.com) wrote:
>A post from the TSR Online Coordinator....
>
> The site is ready, and everything is plugged in (pretty much). Now
>we're just waiting for InterNIC to update the domain name pointer. Once
>that happens, it should go live. However, I unfortunately don't know
>when that will be ... apparently InterNIC is really bogged down and is
>slow to get these things done.
This is a bunch of hooey. I registered a domain name THIS WEEK and it took
InterNIC 2 business days to do EVERYTHING frmo start to finish! And I'm just a
regular person, not a big, powerful, rich, moneygrubbing corporation.
Don't blame InterNIC. They are running great lately. (ESPECIALLY for .com
domains whose registration is almost 100% automated). Furthermore, why would
you wait until the last minute for the domain registration. $100 for 2 years
is chump change for the mighty T$R.
I think T$R is stooping to NEW LOWS with this BOLD FACED brazen lie.
-Aristotle@Threshold
Terry Austin
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Let's try this again, with the brain engaged.
mac...@ix.netcom.com (ThresholdMUD) wrote:
>This is a bunch of hooey. I registered a domain name THIS WEEK and
it took
>InterNIC 2 business days to do EVERYTHING frmo start to finish! And
I'm just a
>regular person, not a big, powerful, rich, moneygrubbing corporation.
TSR has had tsrinc.com registered for some time (since 13-Dec-94, in
fact). They're not registering it, they're changing it. When I
moved my domain name from ni.net to anawave.com, it took about a week
and a half to make the change and propagate it throughout the 'Net.
This is partly due to slow work on the part of my ISP, and partly due
to the email confirmation that was required. And, from what I'm
told, most ISP's only update 3 times a week, so propagation can take
up to 3 days.
The last update on tsrinc.com was 1-Nov-96, so it seems likely that
either TSR's ISP has been slow sending the update info, or InterNIC
has been slow processing it. But I suspect it isn't TSR's fault.
Sean does know what he's doing.
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John R. Troy
>The last update on tsrinc.com was 1-Nov-96, so it seems likely that
>either TSR's ISP has been slow sending the update info, or InterNIC
>has been slow processing it. But I suspect it isn't TSR's fault.
>Sean does know what he's doing.
Also keep in mind too that December 20th is a lousy time to officially
release something like this. It is way too close to Christmas, so I
think many workers get put into a "holiday" mode, and get a bit
distracted.
I have heard good and bad stories about ISPs trying to hook up virtual
domains. And have experienced it a little bit first hand as an agent
for a company that wanted one. Hopefully, it will be up soon, and I
don't blame TSR for this at all.
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TSR Inc
>This is a bunch of hooey. I registered a domain name THIS WEEK and it
took
>InterNIC 2 business days to do EVERYTHING frmo start to finish! And I'm
just a
>regular person, not a big, powerful, rich, moneygrubbing corporation.
Lucky you. However, InterNIC _is_ the source of the delay ... part
of the problem might be that the domain name registration for tsrinc.com
was due, and so they may be waiting to process _that_. But in any case,
as soon as it pops in, the site will be live. However, I am not sure
how much of it was copied over from the development server (we're not
hosting it in-house, and so I don't have direct control over that),
so it may look a little odd until I get the rest of the material
copied over.
>Don't blame InterNIC. They are running great lately. (ESPECIALLY for .com
>domains whose registration is almost 100% automated). Furthermore, why
would
>you wait until the last minute for the domain registration. $100 for 2
years
>is chump change for the mighty T$R.
Considering that it was registered before I started here at TSR, I really
had
no idea when it was due to be updated. This news came as a surprise to
me,
and with such excellent timing, too.
>I think T$R is stooping to NEW LOWS with this BOLD FACED brazen lie.
Thank you for your support. :)
Wait, I have a better answer, that you probably will prefer to the one
I gave above:
I am a moron. I cannot do anything right. I am lucky that I am
able to velcro my shoes in the morning. i have to gum my food when
I chew it because I pulled out all of my teeth to prevent cavities.
I actually am a trained, shaved monkey that likes to throw feces and
rotten fruit at people that pass my cage. I beg forgiveness, and
pray that I will someday be worthy enough to lick your unwashed
feet.
Better? :)
- Sean
Ed Taychert
TSR Online Coordinator - TSR...@aol.com wrote:
>
> A post from the TSR Online Coordinator....
>
> The site is ready, and everything is plugged in (pretty much). Now
> we're just waiting for InterNIC to update the domain name pointer.
Well ... what's the ip address? The internic isn't keeping you off
the air, we just don't know where to aim our packets!
Assuming you made your URL's relative to your server root, (that's
just good web design!) it won't matter once we get to the home page ...
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ThresholdMUD
In article <59g4bq$r...@news1.ni.net>,
tau...@hyperbooks.com (Terry Austin) wrote:
>The last update on tsrinc.com was 1-Nov-96, so it seems likely that
>either TSR's ISP has been slow sending the update info, or InterNIC
>has been slow processing it. But I suspect it isn't TSR's fault.
>Sean does know what he's doing.
I agree. He knows *exactly* what he is doing. He is blaming InterNIC for T$R's
incompetence and poor planning.
-Aristotle@Threshold
ThresholdMUD
In article <32bbd24...@news.tiac.net>,
john...@tiac.net (John R. Troy) wrote:
>Also keep in mind too that December 20th is a lousy time to officially
>release something like this. It is way too close to Christmas, so I
>think many workers get put into a "holiday" mode, and get a bit
>distracted.
Well, I applied for a domain name on Monday morning (Dec 16th), and by Tuesday
evening (Dec 17th) it was up and running. So if that is InterNIC's "holiday
speed" then its pretty damn impressive
-Aristotle@ThresholdMUD
Terry Austin
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mac...@ix.netcom.com (ThresholdMUD) wrote:
>Well, I applied for a domain name on Monday morning (Dec 16th),
>and by Tuesday evening (Dec 17th) it was up and running. So if
>that is InterNIC's "holiday speed" then its pretty damn impressive
They applied for their domain name in '94. They're not creating a new
domain, they're changing an existing one. And that takes longer,
because there are confirmations involved. And I'd be willing to wager
that your's was there the next day on your ISP's domain name servers
only. Mine was on ni.net the next day, too, but it was almost two
weeks before it had propagated throughout the 'Net. Why don't you use
the new address yet? Did Netcom tell you it would only be usable by
other Netcom users for a couple of weeks? What is it? Can we get a
Whois on it from InterNIC yet? I'll wager it's not there just yet.
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ThresholdMUD
In article <19961221161...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
tsr...@aol.com (TSR Inc) wrote:
>Lucky you. However, InterNIC _is_ the source of the delay ... part
>of the problem might be that the domain name registration for tsrinc.com
If this is true, why didn't you publish the IP? Huh? Explain that bub.
If *ALL* that was holding you up was the propagation of the name, you could
have avoided the ENTIRE issue by publishing the IP here. But you didnt. Thats
indicative of something other than a delayed name registration.
>I am a moron. I cannot do anything right. I am lucky that I am
>able to velcro my shoes in the morning. i have to gum my food when
>I chew it because I pulled out all of my teeth to prevent cavities.
>I actually am a trained, shaved monkey that likes to throw feces and
>rotten fruit at people that pass my cage. I beg forgiveness, and
>pray that I will someday be worthy enough to lick your unwashed
>feet.
Admission is the first step on the road to recovery Sean. Kudos. =)
-Aristotle@ThresholdMUD
Terry Austin
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tsr...@aol.com (TSR Inc) wrote:
>Lucky you. However, InterNIC _is_ the source of the delay ... part
>of the problem might be that the domain name registration for
tsrinc.com
>was due, and so they may be waiting to process _that_. But in any
case,
>as soon as it pops in, the site will be live.
The fact that you're changing the domain, rather than registering it,
is also a factor. And the fact that Threshold's domain name probably
is *not* THRESHOLD.COM (which has been registered since '94, not
since this week), it doens't seem to be in InterNIC's Whois yet
(unless he's chosen a name that doesn't include the world
threashold). My guess is that Netcom has activated his domain name
internally (NI did this on mine), knowing that InterNIC will
eventually approve it. It'll probably be about 2 weeks, or more,
before it works outside Netcom.
>However, I am not sure
>how much of it was copied over from the development server (we're not
>hosting it in-house, and so I don't have direct control over that),
>so it may look a little odd until I get the rest of the material
>copied over.
I though you said you had a *good* ISP! I didn't know there were web
hosts that didn't allow ftp access (other than on secure servers,
where they don't dare).
>Thank you for your support. :)
Ya, he makes a good jock strap, doesn't he?
>Wait, I have a better answer, that you probably will prefer to the
one
>I gave above:
>I am a moron. I cannot do anything right. I am lucky that I am
>able to velcro my shoes in the morning. i have to gum my food when
>I chew it because I pulled out all of my teeth to prevent cavities.
>I actually am a trained, shaved monkey that likes to throw feces and
>rotten fruit at people that pass my cage. I beg forgiveness, and
>pray that I will someday be worthy enough to lick your unwashed
>feet.
Can I quote you on that in my .sig?
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ThresholdMUD
In article <59h7ss$b...@news1.ni.net>,
tau...@hyperbooks.com (Terry Austin) wrote:
>They applied for their domain name in '94. They're not creating a new
>domain, they're changing an existing one. And that takes longer,
>because there are confirmations involved. And I'd be willing to wager
>that your's was there the next day on your ISP's domain name servers
>only. Mine was on ni.net the next day, too, but it was almost two
>weeks before it had propagated throughout the 'Net. Why don't you use
>the new address yet? Did Netcom tell you it would only be usable by
>other Netcom users for a couple of weeks? What is it? Can we get a
>Whois on it from InterNIC yet? I'll wager it's not there just yet.
Well, then once again (the occasions are becoming too numerous to keep count
of) you would be 100% incorrect. My clients could hit the page from all over
the globe (US, Canada, UK, and Australia) Tuesday evening.
You really should at least make an ATTEMPT to know what you are talking about
=). If T$R is going to have a presence on the internet, they should hire some
people that comprehend how it works.
-Aristotle@ThresholdMUD
ThresholdMUD
In article <59h8gb$b...@news1.ni.net>,
tau...@hyperbooks.com (Terry Austin) wrote:
>The fact that you're changing the domain, rather than registering it,
>is also a factor. And the fact that Threshold's domain name probably
>is *not* THRESHOLD.COM (which has been registered since '94, not
>since this week), it doens't seem to be in InterNIC's Whois yet
>(unless he's chosen a name that doesn't include the world
>threashold). My guess is that Netcom has activated his domain name
>internally (NI did this on mine), knowing that InterNIC will
>eventually approve it. It'll probably be about 2 weeks, or more,
>before it works outside Netcom.
As I stated in a previous post, you are dead flat wrong. As of Tuesday night,
it was available all over the world. Also, the domain had nothing to do with
ThresholdMUD. The MUD is a hobby, not my business. I didnt go to college and
law school so I could try to earn a living running a MUD =).
As for the rest of your post, it seems you got confused by which portions were
written by which person.
Regardless of registering a new domain/changing an old one, the fact is T$R is
the party at fault, *not* InterNIC.
1) InterNIC tells companies to allow WEEKS not days. They overestimate the
time it takes, so companies can plan accordingly.
2) T$R should *NOT* have started publishing a SET date until they knew their
site was going to be ready. That is disgustingly poor planning.
3) If the T$R site was TRULY ready, they would have printed the IP along with
the name address. This fact has been posted on this group NUMEROUS times now,
and yet T$R still has not released the IP. Why not? Huh T$R? Explain this? WHY
WHY WHY WHY? You could have prevented all of this silly debate if you had just
listed the IP along with the name. Of course, that would have prevented you
from being able to use the "InterNIC fucked up" excuse for your web site not
being ready.
4) A company with the size and assets of T$R should be a lot more organized
than this. If you set a specific date, you should be darn sure you are going
to be able to meet it. In fact, if you give a set date, you should be darn
sure you can have the site running a few days beforehand. Thats called running
a quality business.
-Aristotle@ThresholdMUD
p.s. I (nor any relative, friend, or employee) am not affiliated with InterNIC
in any way shape or form other than having 2 domains registered with them.
Daniel Cunningham
> Wait, I have a better answer, that you probably will prefer to the one
> I gave above:
>
> I am a moron. I cannot do anything right. I am lucky that I am
> able to velcro my shoes in the morning. i have to gum my food when
> I chew it because I pulled out all of my teeth to prevent cavities.
> I actually am a trained, shaved monkey that likes to throw feces and
> rotten fruit at people that pass my cage. I beg forgiveness, and
> pray that I will someday be worthy enough to lick your unwashed
> feet.
>
> Better? :)
>
> - Sean
>
>>>>
That is strange. I defintly remember seeing a full set of teeth when we last
saw you and their were no piles of feces and rotten fruit. Damn TSR must have
an excellent cleaning staff. 8-)
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President & Internet Rep. of The Fellowship of the Black Spot Gaming Club
http://www.execpc.com/~brontomn/fbs.html
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Michael Brown
From: mac...@ix.netcom.com (ThresholdMUD)
>2) T$R should *NOT* have started publishing a SET date until they knew their
>site was going to be ready. That is disgustingly poor planning.
Use of "T$R" is unacceptable. Get this through your head.
Or do you just really enjoy your role as the group's current
number-one scumsucker?
-Michael
Daniel Solomon
ThresholdMUD wrote:
>
> Regardless of registering a new domain/changing an old one, the fact is T$R is
> the party at fault, *not* InterNIC.
>
Why don't you just chill out! It's only a damn game.
--
- Dan Solomon, dsol...@enteract.com
http://www.enteract.com/~dsolomon/
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rem...@mindspring.com
TSR Inc wrote:
> I am a moron. I cannot do anything right. I am lucky that I am
> able to velcro my shoes in the morning. I have to gum my food when
> I chew it because I pulled out all of my teeth to prevent cavities.
> I actually am a trained, shaved monkey that likes to throw feces and
> rotten fruit at people that pass my cage. I beg forgiveness, and
> pray that I will someday be worthy enough to lick your unwashed
> feet.
Ha! So you confirm our suspicions! :-) <---really big smiley
Yurz Trooly,
The Munchkin King
rem...@mindspring.com
First Poison, then StephenJ, now Threshold. Who will be sucked
in next?... Terry? Oh, Terry...
BlueMist
Michael Brown wrote:
>
> From: mac...@ix.netcom.com (ThresholdMUD)
> >2) T$R should *NOT* have started publishing a SET date until they knew their
> >site was going to be ready. That is disgustingly poor planning.
>
> Use of "T$R" is unacceptable. Get this through your head.
> Or do you just really enjoy your role as the group's current
> number-one scumsucker?
I use the t$r logo in almost all my posts to this group, does that make
me the number two scumsucker?
Besides, if what he was saying was not true, we wouldn't have this
thread running now would we?
Please feel free to kiss my Orc on the way out the door...
--
Fare-thee-well,
BlueMist
Shawn Wright
TSR Inc wrote:
>
> Wait, I have a better answer, that you probably will prefer to the one
> I gave above:
>
> I am a moron. I cannot do anything right. I am lucky that I am
> able to velcro my shoes in the morning. i have to gum my food when
> I chew it because I pulled out all of my teeth to prevent cavities.
> I actually am a trained, shaved monkey that likes to throw feces and
> rotten fruit at people that pass my cage. I beg forgiveness, and
> pray that I will someday be worthy enough to lick your unwashed
> feet.
>
> Better? :)
>
> - Sean
Wait Sean I thought this was just another piece in the TSR plot to
take over the world :)
Alan Kohler
In article <32BC47...@mindspring.com>, rem...@mindspring.com says...
>
>Michael Brown wrote:
>>
>> From: mac...@ix.netcom.com (ThresholdMUD)
>> >2) T$R should *NOT* have started publishing a SET date until they knew
their
>> >site was going to be ready. That is disgustingly poor planning.
>>
>> Use of "T$R" is unacceptable. Get this through your head.
>> Or do you just really enjoy your role as the group's current
>> number-one scumsucker?
>
>in next?... Terry? Oh, Terry...
Anyone who's been around for a while might remember that Terry held the
position of frp.dnd.resident.hate.child for a while before posion ever reared
his ugly head... not that poison didn't reach new heights in his calling...
--
Alan D Kohler
hwk...@poky.srv.net
"Villains, I say to you now, knock off all that evil!" - the Tick
ThresholdMUD
In article <59hed6$e...@agate.berkeley.edu>,
mik...@thurston.ME.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Brown) wrote:
>From: mac...@ix.netcom.com (ThresholdMUD)
>>2) T$R should *NOT* have started publishing a SET date until they knew their
>>site was going to be ready. That is disgustingly poor planning.
>
> Use of "T$R" is unacceptable. Get this through your head.
> Or do you just really enjoy your role as the group's current
> number-one scumsucker?
>
Unacceptable? Why HELLO Hitler!
You are breaking NEW ground in the realm of absurdity with such a ridiculous
statement. If I choose to express my opinion by calling them T$R that is my
right. Have they copyrighted/trademarked T$R also? They probably should.
If anyone is a scum-sucker it is you for your obsessive behavior in which you
seem to think you can declare how other people express their opinions.
You *REALLY* need to get over yourself and move on.
-Aristotle@ThresholdMUD
ThresholdMUD
In article <32BC61...@enteract.com>,
Daniel Solomon <dsol...@enteract.com> wrote:
>ThresholdMUD wrote:
>>
>> Regardless of registering a new domain/changing an old one, the fact is T$R
is
>> the party at fault, *not* InterNIC.
>>
>
>Why don't you just chill out! It's only a damn game.
Personally, I could care less. I will probably never visit their web site. But
as an American Consumer, I find it pathetic when a large company is run with
such incredible inteptitude and complete lack of regard for its customers.
-Aristotle@ThresholdMUD
dave...@hooked.net
In article <19961221161...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
tsr...@aol.com (TSR Inc) wrote:
>
> Lucky you. However, InterNIC _is_ the source of the delay ... part
> of the problem might be that the domain name registration for tsrinc.com
> was due, and so they may be waiting to process _that_. But in any case,
> how much of it was copied over from the development server (we're not
> hosting it in-house, and so I don't have direct control over that),
> so it may look a little odd until I get the rest of the material
> copied over.
>
> - Sean
So what kind of delay are we talking about here? Sometime Saturday evening?
Late Tuesday? Three weeks from now? Just want to set my expectations
accordingly.
Dave
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Alan Kohler
In article <59hrev$s...@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>, mac...@ix.netcom.com
says...
Quite reactionary, aren't we? You really are on the way to becoming this
newsgroup's next hate child. And if anyone is guilty of obsessive behavior, it
seems to be you slamming Sean and TSR for not getting a site up on time (to
which I say "So what!"). Ok, it's your right to express your opinion, but
we've all heard you hammer your point home several times now. Settle down.
John Candy's Ghost
> In article <59hed6$e...@agate.berkeley.edu>,
> mik...@thurston.ME.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Brown) wrote:
> > Use of "T$R" is unacceptable. Get this through your head.
> > Or do you just really enjoy your role as the group's current
> > number-one scumsucker?
> >
> >-Michael
Thre$holeMUCK replied:
> Unacceptable? Why HELLO Hitler!
Hitler wasn't acceptable either, schmuck. you seem to have a real axe
to grind with the folks at TSR who gave you your hobby to begin with,
you absurdist dingle-berry.
> You are breaking NEW ground in the realm of absurdity with such a ridiculous
> statement. If I choose to express my opinion by calling them T$R that is my
> right. Have they copyrighted/trademarked T$R also? They probably should.
It's my right to refer to you as The$holeMUCK, too, and I will from now
on. As a matter of fact, I think I'll change the thread, just to get
the news out. If this doesn't bother you, I don't care. It's just my
right, after all.
> You *REALLY* need to get over yourself and move on.
>
> -Aristotle@Thre$holeMUCK
Glass houses, throwing stones...etc etc etc.
--
"You know what I always say?"
"I know...go with the flow..."
"Like the twig on the shoulders of the mighty stream..."
John Candy as Del Griffith
John Candy's Ghost (gra...@frontiernet.net)
.sig
Cymbelline
ThresholdMUD had this to say...
>I agree. He knows *exactly* what he is doing. He is blaming InterNIC for
T$R's
>incompetence and poor planning.
>
>-Aristotle@Threshold
You know, I'm getting pretty tired of hearing you do nothing but bash TSR,
ADnD, Sean Reynolds, and anyone else who is either associated with TSR, or
admits to liking the products they bring out. This newsgroup is meant to be
for people who enjoy the game and wish to discuss the different aspects of
it, bring useful information to others who enjoy the game, and find out
things about the game, as well as hear interesting stories from other
people's campaigns.
Now, I am not adverse to the odd bit of criticism, and I will clearly point
to a bad product if I see one, but it seems all that you enjoy doing is
spending your time putting down everything and everyone. Not once have you
contributed anything constructive, helpful, or even remotely interesting to
this group.
So please, if you have any intentions of making friends here (though I am
guessing you only wish to make waves), get into the spirit of the game and
treat everyone else like an equal, and not the inferiors you seem to think we
all are.
Regards,
Cymbelline.
TSRKeith
While I really don't want to awaken this ugly beast again, their are a
few things I want to clarify before I explode with frustration:
mac...@ix.netcom.com (aka Aristotle@ThresholdMUD) spewed:
<<Unacceptable? Why HELLO Hitler!>>
Wow, I thought I was the one who allegedly called people Nazi's :)
(I sure hope people of the anti-TSR crowd don't get as agitated at you
as they did at me--then again, you're one of the fold, and the pro-TSR
people are merely brainwashed zombies, so I don't expect the public outcry
will be as fierce).
Seriously, I did mean to express my thoughts on the following comment:
<<You are breaking NEW ground in the realm of absurdity with such a
ridiculous
statement. If I choose to express my opinion by calling them T$R that is
my
right. Have they copyrighted/trademarked T$R also? They probably should.>>
Aristotle,
You are correct in the assertion of your right to use T$R. I'm sure the
original poster merely meant to say that the use of T$R is unnacceptable
in any form of polite, rational discourse. Personally, (and I think I
speak for all employees of TSR who are online) I stop taking any
post/poster seriously when he or she uses T$R. It is clearly an
intentional mark of disrespect designed to antagonize and vilify both the
corporation and its employees (please read the FAQ if you want more info
on this term). Furthermore, the use of T$R acts as a kind of seal or
symbol denoting that the post in which it appears is almost entirely a)
content free, b) logic free, or c) context free (the number of such posts
with these attributes appearing in this newsgroup attests to this
reality).
Usually, I stop reading a post as soon as T$R appears in it, but I made
an exception in your case. I have watched over the past few days as you've
spewed your "biting" wit across at least 3 different newsgroups. You've
made quite a reputation for yourself (and none of it good). You may see
yourself (as others on the net see themselves) as a warrior for Truth, or
a revolutionary prophet sent to purify and liberate role-playing from the
evil domination of the megacorp known as TSR (heck, maybe I'm overstating
my case), but all I see is just one more person using half-logic, taking
thing things out of context, and generally spreading ill will and
flame-bait across the net. It's sad really, because I would think that
people have more important things to do with their time.
TSR employees are gamers who care about their work and the way the
public receives it. We are looking for constructive criticism and ideas
expressed according to the established rules of civilized discourse. It is
obvious from the tone and content of your posts that you do not wish to
follow such useful conventions.
I hope you don't have anything important to say, because no one is
listening.
Keith Strohm
Editor, Creative Services
TSR, Inc.
Terry Austin
hwk...@spammers.must.die.net (Alan Kohler) wrote:
>Anyone who's been around for a while might remember that Terry held the
>position of frp.dnd.resident.hate.child for a while before posion ever reared
>his ugly head... not that poison didn't reach new heights in his calling...
>--
That was during the "Why won't Ms. Lindman answer my letter" episode,
wasn't it? During which, at various times, I flamed both sides for
being stubborn and silly. Nobody likes being caught looking foolish.
(No more PGP signatures, as PILOT GAME seems to be really, really
*gone*.)
Terry Austin
BlueMist <blue...@netside.com> wrote:
>I use the t$r logo in almost all my posts to this group, does that make
>me the number two scumsucker?
Not the word I'd use, but Mike has harsh things to say to me when I
use profanity.
Don't expect people who work for TSR to take you very seriously, or
even treat you politely, when you do something you know offends them.
(Haven't we been here before?)
Terry Austin
mac...@ix.netcom.com (ThresholdMUD) wrote:
>Unacceptable? Why HELLO Hitler!
Good. This thread is now officially dead.
>You are breaking NEW ground in the realm of absurdity with such a ridiculous
>statement. If I choose to express my opinion by calling them T$R that is my
>right. Have they copyrighted/trademarked T$R also? They probably should.
There is *nothing* new on this subject. We broiled it to a crisp a
couple of months ago. TSR employees find it offensive when people use
T$R, and will usually treat you like the asshole you are. The "I hate
T$R" crowd finds it offensive when TSR employees call Gygax a
no-talent hack, and will treat them like the assholes they are.
Besides, T$R is a gas station in Nevada.
>If anyone is a scum-sucker it is you for your obsessive behavior in which you
>seem to think you can declare how other people express their opinions.
We've had a couple week long flamewar on the subject. TSR employees
find T$R offensive. You now know this. Where I come from, people who
do things that they *know* will offend people have a special name:
Asshole.
>You *REALLY* need to get over yourself and move on.
As do you. And me. And most of the rest of this group.
Terry Austin
tsrk...@aol.com (TSRKeith) wrote:
> I hope you don't have anything important to say, because no one is
>listening.
Well said.
Daniel Solomon
>
> newsgroup's next hate child. And if anyone is guilty of obsessive behavior, it
> seems to be you slamming Sean and TSR for not getting a site up on time (to
> which I say "So what!"). Ok, it's your right to express your opinion, but
> we've all heard you hammer your point home several times now. Settle down.
Especially since he has stated that he doesn't even have any use for the
TSR site. His response is far to personal to be just looking out for
the
general welfare of consumers. (What a load of crap!)
Terry Austin
mac...@ix.netcom.com (ThresholdMUD) wrote:
>Personally, I could care less. I will probably never visit their web site. But
>as an American Consumer, I find it pathetic when a large company is run with
>such incredible inteptitude and complete lack of regard for its customers.
So why pick on TSR? Why not go to alt.news.microsoft and attack
Microsoft? They are much larger, and have the same lack of regard for
far more customers. Don't play rightious crusader on us, you little
twerp.
What you find pathetic is that you're not the center of attention.
Neal Law
On Sat, 21 Dec 96 18:04:49 GMT, mac...@ix.netcom.com (ThresholdMUD)
wrote:
>You really should at least make an ATTEMPT to know what you are talking about
>=). If T$R is going to have a presence on the internet, they should hire some
>people that comprehend how it works.
>
>-Aristotle@ThresholdMUD
Are you playing Devil's advocate here or were you really born an
ASSHOLE?
Shawn Wright
>it seems to be you slamming Sean and TSR for not getting a site up on time (to
> which I say "So what!"). Ok, it's your right to express your opinion, but
> we've all heard you hammer your point home several times now. Settle down.
> Alan D Kohler
> hwk...@poky.srv.net
> "Villains, I say to you now, knock off all that evil!" - the Tick
Three fascinating things:
#1 We are all using computers,a medium notorius for missing release
dates
#2 One of you said you would'nt access the site in some kind of wierd
protest,yet complained about the late release???????
#3 TSR(say it proud and without the $$$$$$)does not owe us a web site.It
is a service.
#4 All of Seans posts have said ESTIMATED date.
#5 Sean has kept us updated,thanks Sean
#6 I count a lot of TSR employees on the newsgroups and mailing lists,I
think they have shown the commitment they have to us(unless you believe
it's all part of the master plan?)
#7 In the immortal words of the Eagles "GET OVER IT"
Jason Hatter
BlueMist (blue...@netside.com) wrote:
: I use the t$r logo in almost all my posts to this group, does that make
Not hard to believe, considering that afaict, this is the first time
you've posted in this newsgroup. Let me go check DejaNews...I'll get back
to you on this...
--
Jason
http://www.cris.com/~towonder/
RPG stuff at http://www.cris.com/~towonder/rpg.html
featuring Sailor Moon V at http://www.cris.com/~towonder/fanfic.html
Jason Hatter
BlueMist (blue...@netside.com) wrote:
: I use the t$r logo in almost all my posts to this group, does that make
: me the number two scumsucker?
: Besides, if what he was saying was not true, we wouldn't have this
: thread running now would we?
Okay, just checked. Which of the other 6 posts you've made in this
newsgroup had T$R in it? I must have missed it...
J. McGuire
ThresholdMUD wrote:
>
> Unacceptable? Why HELLO Hitler!
Thank you, Michael. Godwin's Law has been invoked. We can now call this
thread officially dead.
-- Jean
Wintertree Software | Remember to remove the spambot-blocker
http://www.io.com/~wtsoft | from my address before replying via email
"When the foolkiller comes, we'd better ALL hide in the tall grass"
bob blanchard
> >
> > Record last updated on 01-Nov-96.
> > Record created on 13-Dec-94.
> >
> > Domain servers in listed order:
> >
> > DNS.GAMESONLINE.COM 207.77.204.254
> > DNS1.GAMESONLINE.COM 207.78.69.91
interesting :)
bob blanchard
getting the domain name is one of those little formalities
that should have been done BEFORE advertising the page
J. McGuire
bob blanchard wrote:
>
> getting the domain name is one of those little formalities
> that should have been done BEFORE advertising the page
For what it's worth (in a Godwin's-legally dead thread) they've had the
domain name registered for over two years:
> TSR, Inc. (TSRINC-DOM)
> 201 Sheridan Springs Road
> Lake Geneva, WI 53147
> US
>
> Domain Name: TSRINC.COM
>
> Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact, Billing Contact:
> Renich, Nathan (NR323) nre...@INTERPLAY.COM
> 714-553-6655 (FAX) 714-252-2820
I'm not quite sure what the problem _is_ (I suspect it has something to
do with their screwy host setup...why they didn't just rent commercial
space and get the thing up is beyond me) but it isn't a delay in the
domain name registration. On the other hand, InterNIC can do some
AMAZING things to foul one up. I'm not sure what's going on with my own
domain name registration, but it's vanished into their paperwork....
Paul Cerra
mik...@thurston.ME.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Brown) wrote:
>From: mac...@ix.netcom.com (ThresholdMUD)
>>2) T$R should *NOT* have started publishing a SET date until they knew their
>>site was going to be ready. That is disgustingly poor planning.
> Use of "T$R" is unacceptable. Get this through your head.
> Or do you just really enjoy your role as the group's current
> number-one scumsucker?
>
Unacceptable... to you, at least. Look, there are tons of reasons why that
moniker shouldn't be used, and they've been discussed to death here and
elsewhere. But this is a usenet newsgroup. It's not a conference room in a
certain building in Lake Geneva. There are people of all opinions here. Just
because it bothers you to see someone refer to TSR that way doesn't mean that
it's "unacceptable." I'll agree that it serves no purpose to refer to TSR
with a dollar sign -- it's inflammatory, it causes extra posts (like this one,
and like yours) that no one needs to see, the people at TSR have said that
they don't like it, it may even dilute the poster's arguments in some people's
eyes, and there are a fair number of people like yourself who don't want to
see it -- but unless you want to moderate this newsgroup, just let it slide.
-Paul
Terry Austin
"J. McGuire" <wts...@ix.REMOVE.THIS.netcom.com> wrote:
>I'm not quite sure what the problem _is_ (I suspect it has something to
>do with their screwy host setup...why they didn't just rent commercial
>space and get the thing up is beyond me) but it isn't a delay in the
>domain name registration. On the other hand, InterNIC can do some
>AMAZING things to foul one up. I'm not sure what's going on with my own
>domain name registration, but it's vanished into their paperwork....
I'm guessing their ISP is incompetant, and was (and maybe still is)
late sending in the changes. On top of that, changing a domain takes
longer than registering one. The ISP sends in the change, InterNIC
sends out a confirmation to whoever owns the name (TSR, in this case,
and waits for a reply confirming that the ISP isn't pulling a fast
one. Given that the administrative contact isn't a TSR address:
> Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact, Billing Contact:
> Renich, Nathan (NR323) nre...@INTERPLAY.COM
> 714-553-6655 (FAX) 714-252-2820
>
I'd say TSR should be crawling up somebody's butt at Interplay, who
probably don't have a Nathan Renich any more, so the email bounced.
(Are you listening, Sean? InterNIC is waiting for a confirmation on
the move from someone at Interplay, most likely.) In addition, Sean
may be right about the registration being due also contributing,
though, if it is, I suspect it's at TSR's end, not InterNIC's.
As for not renting commercial space, they're probably expecting (and I
would agree) more traffic than they can get without a dedicated
server. They may be paying for a T1 line, as well, if they're
expecting a lot of traffic on the ftp site. If this is the case, I
suspect it's not even TSR's idea, but rather GamesOnline's.
Frankly, I'd have gone with Network Intensive. In the same city, and
their tech people know what they're doing. And their rates aren't all
that bad, if you need really high end service (and TSR does). Even
Anawave, where my site is, is better than this (unless something
really unusual happens).
Tim Breen
> The last update on tsrinc.com was 1-Nov-96, so it seems likely that
> either TSR's ISP has been slow sending the update info, or InterNIC
> has been slow processing it. But I suspect it isn't TSR's fault.
> Sean does know what he's doing.
FWIW, a typo in a DNS table prevented a domain I registered from being
propigated for quite some time until I got on my ISP's case and had them
track down the problem. Unless InterNIC has been a LOT slower than
usual, it seems unlikely to me that they are the cause of any "server
not found" type errors.
-- Tim
http://personalweb.lightside.com/Pfiles/breen1.html
" The Red Queen shook her head. "You may call it 'nonsense'
if you like," she said, "but _I've_ heard nonsense, compared
with which that would be as sensible as a dictionary!" "
- Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
Tim Breen
> I actually am a trained, shaved monkey that likes to throw feces and
> rotten fruit at people that pass my cage.
I can think of a few people I'd like to have walk past that cage...
<grin>
Tim Breen
> Anyone who's been around for a while might remember that Terry held the
> position of frp.dnd.resident.hate.child for a while before posion ever reared
> his ugly head... not that poison didn't reach new heights in his calling...
In order to make one's mark upon the world, one must always strive to
outdo one's forebears. <g>
Tim Breen
> 4) A company with the size and assets of T$R should be a lot more organized
> than this.
By all accounts, TSR is a company of small size and few assets. Give
Sean a break (and go back to school--you're less annoying when you're
there instead of between terms).
Tim Breen
> As I stated in a previous post, you are dead flat wrong. As of Tuesday night,
> it was available all over the world.
However, you haven't provided *any* evidence to that effect. Now, while
I wouldn't otherwise care, the fact that you site Sean's lack of posting
something as evidence that he is a bald-faced liar (I think he *is*
bald-faced, but not everyone can grow a good beard) should, IMO, be
taken as evidence that you, too, are exactly as much of a liar for the
exact same reason.
So, since by your own logic you're a liar, we'll just have to
"disbelieve" (save at +4) the rest of your arguments.
Tim Breen
BlueMist wrote:
> I use the t$r logo in almost all my posts to this group, does that make
> me the number two scumsucker?
You can have it if you want it, but since this message is the only one
of yours to this group which I can find (out of 1246 messages on my
ISP's server) you certainly have yet to actually _earn_ it.
> Besides, if what he was saying was not true, we wouldn't have this
> thread running now would we?
Of course we would. Any sufficiently inflammatory troll generates a long
thread. Truth isn't even a _consideration,_ much less a requirement.
Steven Taylor
ThresholdMUD wrote:
> Personally, I could care less. I will probably never visit their web site. But
> as an American Consumer, I find it pathetic when a large company is run with
> such incredible inteptitude and complete lack of regard for its customers.
Well, as an American Consumer, I find it pathetic when other comsumers
can do nothing but whine and complain about things they aren't
interested in in the first place. As I'm posting, it's a whopping
_three_days_ past the proposed date. When I worked in software sales,
I'd have jumped for joy if any major release came out within a _month_
of the promised date. Face it, TSR could cure cancer and you'd
probably find some way to complain about it.
Steven Taylor
<Turn on anal retentive pet peeve mode>
I know that I'm being way too picky here, but it should be "I _couldn't_
care less". If you "could care less", then you must have some
measurable amount of care. This isn't meant as a correction or gripe
towards you, I just have this strange incapability of letting that
phrase go. It's a sickness :)
Charlotte Elesentra
tau...@hyperbooks.com (Terry Austin) did scribble:
>"J. McGuire" <wts...@ix.REMOVE.THIS.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>I'm not quite sure what the problem _is_ (I suspect it has something to
>>do with their screwy host setup...why they didn't just rent commercial
>>space and get the thing up is beyond me) but it isn't a delay in the
>>domain name registration. On the other hand, InterNIC can do some
>>AMAZING things to foul one up. I'm not sure what's going on with my own
>>domain name registration, but it's vanished into their paperwork....
>
>I'm guessing their ISP is incompetant, and was (and maybe still is)
>late sending in the changes. On top of that, changing a domain takes
>longer than registering one. The ISP sends in the change, InterNIC
>sends out a confirmation to whoever owns the name
[more snipped]
Hmmm...If I was setting up a website for TSR, I'd have registered the
domain name yonks ago, and merely put up a 'Under Construction' home page
until the site was ready to go live.
Waiting until you're ready and then approaching InterNIC does not seem a
well thought out plan to me...
Charlie
--
Charlotte Elesentra -- Hardcore Dungeon Mother! ;o)
aka Elesentra Trione -- Drow Fighter/Cleric 8/10
J. McGuire
They *did* register the domain a while back -- over two years ago, in
fact. The problem seems to be something involved in transfering the
address from wherever it wasn't to where they want it.
By the way, minor good news: wtsoft.com FINALLY emerged from InterNIC's
paperwork (heralded, of course, by a bill!) and you'll all have to
update your email address books Real Soon Now. The website will still be
hanging around on io.com until, probably, second quarter '97. (Actually,
it will still really be on IO after that, too. Unlike TSR, I figure it's
less grief to rent space from someone who knows what they're doing and
does it well. Hence, wtsoft.com will be, for the forseeable future, a
virtual domain hosted by Illuminati Online)
Jason Hatter
Charlotte Elesentra (vam...@crypt.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: Hmmm...If I was setting up a website for TSR, I'd have registered the
: domain name yonks ago, and merely put up a 'Under Construction' home page
: until the site was ready to go live.
Would November, 1994, for tsrinc.com count? 8)
Tim Breen
> Hmmm...If I was setting up a website for TSR, I'd have registered the
> domain name yonks ago, and merely put up a 'Under Construction' home page
> until the site was ready to go live.
I'm not familiar with the term "yonks," but the domain name was
registered two _years_ ago, which seems sufficient, IMO.
Bob Baldwin
Shawn Wright wrote:
>
>
> Three fascinating things:
>
> #1 We are all using computers,a medium notorius for missing release
> dates
>
And that is a part of a company's reputation. TSR should not promise if
they can't deliver.
> #2 One of you said you would'nt access the site in some kind of wierd
> protest,yet complained about the late release???????
>
> #3 TSR(say it proud and without the $$$$$$)does not owe us a web site.It
> is a service.
>
No, it's customer realtions. If your customers use the web, that's where
you should be. It is perfectly valid for us to feel that TSR's 'net
behavior reflects the corporate attitude towards this element of their
customer base.
> #4 All of Seans posts have said ESTIMATED date.
No. That is wrong. "Coming December 20: http://www.tsrinc.com" is the
exact language from Mr. Reynold's .sig. I was taken to task (quite
beyond reason, IMO) by Mr. Reynolds for expressing my opinion on the
issue of TSR's web page schedule. He made the 12/20 date quite clear. I
am happy to hold him to that.
Also, please note, I do not use the US currency symbol version of the TSR
name, nor do I gratuitously insult them. I _do_ criticize and/or praise
their products, as I see fit.
>
> #5 Sean has kept us updated,thanks Sean
>
Well, to be honest, I have my doubts as to the degree that InterNIC is
the responsible party. If the delay is a result of poor planning, that
is not InterNIC's fault. It is also _NOT_ neccessarily Mr. Reynolds'
fault either. I suspect that he has been doing a lot of the work on his
own time, and that TSR management had little if any understanding of the
complexity of this project.
> #6 I count a lot of TSR employees on the newsgroups and mailing lists,I
> think they have shown the commitment they have to us(unless you believe
> it's all part of the master plan?)
I have never questioned the committment of TSR's employees & design
staff; it's the management I question. I think they generally treat the
'net using portion of their customer base as if we were a gang of thugs
just waiting for the next opportunity to rip them off. If TSR had
established a history of treating their customers like a group of loyal
supporters, then a schedule problem like this would not become a feeding
frenzy. But they have made it clear that, at management levels, they
don't trust, don't understand and basically don't like us.
BB
"Everyone dies someday; the trick is doing it well."
>
Otis Viles
Neal Law <nea...@nornet.on.ca> wrote in article
<32bcd1fc...@snews2.zippo.com>...
Regarding Ari$totle, at Thre$holdMUD;
> Are you playing Devil's advocate here or were you really born an
> ASSHOLE?
A$$hole?
Oti$.
(come on everybody, it's the new $tyle!)
Terry Austin
"Otis Viles" <cier...@ic.net> wrote:
>A$$hole?
>Oti$.
>(come on everybody, it's the new $tyle!)
I like it! LOL.
dhard...@sprintmail.com
ThresholdMUD wrote:
>
> In article <skreynE2...@netcom.com>,
> skr...@netcom.com (TSR Online Coordinator - TSR...@aol.com) wrote:
> >A post from the TSR Online Coordinator....
> >
> > The site is ready, and everything is plugged in (pretty much). Now
> >we're just waiting for InterNIC to update the domain name pointer. Once
> >that happens, it should go live. However, I unfortunately don't know
> >when that will be ... apparently InterNIC is really bogged down and is
> >slow to get these things done.
>
> This is a bunch of hooey. I registered a domain name THIS WEEK and it took
> InterNIC 2 business days to do EVERYTHING frmo start to finish! And I'm just a
> regular person, not a big, powerful, rich, moneygrubbing corporation.
>
> Don't blame InterNIC. They are running great lately. (ESPECIALLY for .com
> domains whose registration is almost 100% automated). Furthermore, why would
> you wait until the last minute for the domain registration. $100 for 2 years
> is chump change for the mighty T$R.
>
> I think T$R is stooping to NEW LOWS with this BOLD FACED brazen lie.
>
> -Aristotle@Threshold
Also IF this page is up? we do not require a domain name to get to it
just an IP adress and TSRs lack of response to give a IP adress says to
me there still is no Page up. I just hope I will not have to wait as
long for this page to come up as I did for T2 after runing T1 village of
homlet.
Tampa...@hotmail.com
Tampa Area Gamers
http://www.angelfire.com/fl/tampagamer
The Golem
>Also IF this page is up? we do not require a domain name to get to it
>just an IP adress and TSRs lack of response to give a IP adress says to
>me there still is no Page up. I just hope I will not have to wait as
>long for this page to come up as I did for T2 after runing T1 village of
>homlet.
Did anyone notice that since we started asking for an IP address, I
don't think I've seen a post from a TSR online guy. This leads me to
the conclusions that we're not going to to get a response till after
Christmas. Remember, being an online coordinator is Sean's JOB, not a
hobby like it may be for us. I'm sure he's working hard, and may want
to have a few days off for Christmas like everyone else. Give 'em a
break!
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Tim Breen
> Also IF this page is up? we do not require a domain name to get to it
> just an IP adress and TSRs lack of response to give a IP adress says to
> me there still is no Page up.
TSR's lack of _any_ response, AT ALL, says to me that they're closed for
the holidays.
dhard...@sprintmail.com
Tim Breen wrote:
>
> > Also IF this page is up? we do not require a domain name to get to it
> > just an IP adress and TSRs lack of response to give a IP adress says to
> > me there still is no Page up.
>
> TSR's lack of _any_ response, AT ALL, says to me that they're closed for
> the holidays.
Tampagamer@hotmail
also now mag...@ij.net
rem...@mindspring.com
Tim Breen wrote:
>
> TSR's lack of _any_ response, AT ALL, says to me that they're closed for
> the holidays.
True - but don't be surprised if we still get an occasional post.
After all, most of the employees who post regularly have private accounts (I'm
pretty sure Sean does) or can log on to AOL from their computers at home.
Tim Breen
> True - but don't be surprised if we still get an occasional post.
> After all, most of the employees who post regularly have private accounts (I'm
> pretty sure Sean does) or can log on to AOL from their computers at home.
Naturally we know that _some_ TSR folks have their own accounts, because
we've seen some of their email addresses here. But would _you_ go out on
a limb like that at this right after all those people have been let go
without finding out what the "official company line" is? Especially over
the holidays, when there are so many better things to do? <g>
I wouldn't.
Shawn Wright
The Golem wrote:
>
> Did anyone notice that since we started asking for an IP address, I
> don't think I've seen a post from a TSR online guy. This leads me to
> the conclusions that we're not going to to get a response till after
> Christmas. Remember, being an online coordinator is Sean's JOB, not a
> hobby like it may be for us. I'm sure he's working hard, and may want
> to have a few days off for Christmas like everyone else. Give 'em a
> break!
>
> /\___________________________Peter John
There is a short explaination at
http://members.aol.com/tsrinc/index.html.
Terry Austin
"rem...@mindspring.com" <rem...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> True - but don't be surprised if we still get an occasional post.
>After all, most of the employees who post regularly have private accounts (I'm
>pretty sure Sean does) or can log on to AOL from their computers at home.
Sean is, by now, in California for the holidays. He did say he'd
check email, but I doubt he'll be spending much time online.
Best wishes, Sean, and everybody else.
Shawn Wright
Terry Austin wrote:
>
> "Otis Viles" <cier...@ic.net> wrote:
>
> >A$$hole?
>
> >Oti$.
>
> >(come on everybody, it's the new $tyle!)
fag by adopting it.I think this newsgroup should adopt the "$" to
replace the "s".That will pull the teeth from the a$$holes.
TSR Inc
For the record, I am still online (barely ... access is sporadic
here, at best, from my parents' house in CA), although I
technically am on vacation as of 12/23. According to email
I got from Jim Butler, TSR is going to be closed for the
holidays until the 6th of January.
In any case, there isn't much I can do from this computer.
Seeya on the 6th, at which point I'll be catching up on
all of these posts (I don't like AOL's newsreader, and I
really can't access my Netcom account and macros
from here).
- Sean
(May you all be safe and with people you care about this
holiday season)
Terry Austin
pce...@galaxy.csc.calpoly.edu (Paul Cerra) wrote:
>Unacceptable... to you, at least. Look, there are tons of reasons why that
>moniker shouldn't be used, and they've been discussed to death here and
>elsewhere. But this is a usenet newsgroup. It's not a conference room in a
>certain building in Lake Geneva. There are people of all opinions here. Just
>because it bothers you to see someone refer to TSR that way doesn't mean that
>it's "unacceptable." I'll agree that it serves no purpose to refer to TSR
>with a dollar sign -- it's inflammatory, it causes extra posts (like this one,
>and like yours) that no one needs to see, the people at TSR have said that
>they don't like it, it may even dilute the poster's arguments in some people's
>eyes, and there are a fair number of people like yourself who don't want to
>see it -- but unless you want to moderate this newsgroup, just let it slide.
You know, everything you say about T$R, and Mike's reaction to it,
could be said of his comment, and your reaction to it. If you don't
like *his* comments, just let it slide...
Otis Viles
Shawn Wright <swr...@icis.on.ca> wrote in article
<32C1E1...@icis.on.ca>...
I hadn't really thought of it that way when I fir$t po$ted that,
but you *do* have a certain point there. Of cour$e, the down$ide
i$ we'll all end up looking like "Biff"-type$.
Oti$.
Simon Jones
Lydia Leong
In article <59g25l$l...@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>,
ThresholdMUD <mac...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>In article <skreynE2...@netcom.com>,
> skr...@netcom.com (TSR Online Coordinator - TSR...@aol.com) wrote:
>>A post from the TSR Online Coordinator....
>> The site is ready, and everything is plugged in (pretty much). Now
>>we're just waiting for InterNIC to update the domain name pointer. Once
>>that happens, it should go live. However, I unfortunately don't know
>>when that will be ... apparently InterNIC is really bogged down and is
>>slow to get these things done.
>
>
>This is a bunch of hooey. I registered a domain name THIS WEEK and it took
>InterNIC 2 business days to do EVERYTHING frmo start to finish!
Oh, you did this once or twice, and your experience with the InterNIC
is identical to _everyone else's_, right?
Well, InterNIC registration times vary. I've seen domain names come
back in two days. I've seen domain names come back after several
weeks. I've seen domain names registered on the same day come back at
totally different intervals (all I can say is that the, "now working
on requests from X date" claims when you finger the InterNIC should be
taken with a grain of salt). I don't know what weird mystical
mumbo-jumbo goes on over there, but InterNIC customer service still
leaves a lot to be desired. I'm not basing these statements on a
handful of registrations, either; I see dozens of them every month.
(I work for a very large ISP.)
Furthermore, it looks like TSR is doing transfer of a domain name.
In fact, it looks like the transfer's gone through, to judge by the
new whois tsrinc.com:
Record last updated on 26-Dec-96.
Record created on 13-Dec-94.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.ANAWAVE.COM 208.197.88.12
NS2.ANAWAVE.COM 208.197.88.11
Transfers are a real pain; they _cannot_ be done electronically, but
require mailing or FAXing a letter of authorization on the company
letterhead. The InterNIC is frequently not at all good about processing
transfers in a timely manner.
To address a point you brought up in another post:
Why didn't they specify an IP address?
Well, one possibility is that their ISP simply didn't give it to them.
Another possibility is that since tsrinc.com is a virtual domain (it
resides on a machine that serves as the webserver for many companies)
that the webserver is configured to return a certain hostname, even if you
try to access it via IP address (they could use this to force URLs to
appear as www.tsrinc.com instead of tsrinc.com, for example).
I also happen to think it's VERY bad practice to access sites by their
IP address, since the IP could theoretically change at any time (it's a
common practice for ISPs to move virtual domains to other machines in
order to balance out traffic, which sometimes means assigning a new
IP address).
It's only a website; what's so important that you need to access it
Right Now?
Incidentally, since the domain name transfer appears to have gone
through, www.tsrinc.com is live, though from the looks of it, they
haven't finished transferring their content yet.
+-----------------+-----------------------------+----------------------+
| Lydia Leong | Senior Systems Engineer | We will find a way, |
| ly...@digex.net | DIGEX: Business Internet | or we will make one! |
| 1-888-20-DIGEX | www.access.digex.net/~lwl/ | - Hannibal |
+-----------------+-----------------------------+----------------------+
Tim Breen
> Well, InterNIC registration times vary. I've seen domain names come
> back in two days. I've seen domain names come back after several
> weeks.
For what it's worth, I've seen both _on domains registered the same
DAY._
> Record last updated on 26-Dec-96.
> Record created on 13-Dec-94.
>
> Domain servers in listed order:
>
> NS1.ANAWAVE.COM 208.197.88.12
> NS2.ANAWAVE.COM 208.197.88.11
Aha! Just a few days ago, the domain servers were listed at the
GAMESONLINE site, not ANAWAVE.COM.
> To address a point you brought up in another post:
> Why didn't they specify an IP address?
>
> Well, one possibility is that their ISP simply didn't give it to them.
This is the explanation Sean listed on the old (but still up) unofficial
TSR site.
> I also happen to think it's VERY bad practice to access sites by their
> IP address, since the IP could theoretically change at any time (it's a
> common practice for ISPs to move virtual domains to other machines in
> order to balance out traffic, which sometimes means assigning a new
> IP address).
Which, of course, is one of the _points_ of having a virtual domain. So
that you (as a customer) can switch ISPs without quite as much hassel.
Thanks for pointing all this out, Lydia.
Steven Taylor
Lydia Leong wrote:
> In article <59g25l$l...@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>,
> ThresholdMUD <mac...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >This is a bunch of hooey. I registered a domain name THIS WEEK and it took
> >InterNIC 2 business days to do EVERYTHING frmo start to finish!
> Oh, you did this once or twice, and your experience with the InterNIC
> is identical to _everyone else's_, right?
For a blowhard, one claim is enough to "prove" how everything works for
everybody.
> Furthermore, it looks like TSR is doing transfer of a domain name.
> In fact, it looks like the transfer's gone through, to judge by the
> new whois tsrinc.com:
> Record last updated on 26-Dec-96.
Record created on 13-Dec-94.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.ANAWAVE.COM 208.197.88.12
NS2.ANAWAVE.COM 208.197.88.11
> Transfers are a real pain; they _cannot_ be done electronically, but
> require mailing or FAXing a letter of authorization on the company
> letterhead. The InterNIC is frequently not at all good about processing
> transfers in a timely manner.
This change happened _while_ TSR was on holiday break, as explained by
Sean. I think this proves he wasn't "bald-faced" lying, as someone has
proposed. I doubt we'll see an apology, though...
> It's only a website; what's so important that you need to access it
> Right Now?
Aristotle probably isn't anxious for the site. He just likes any excuse
to blast "T$R" whenever he can. That, and get as many legitimate posts
as possible up, so that he can advertise his MUD without getting yelled
at :). As I've exaggerated before, He'd probably find something to get
mad about if TSR found a cure for cancer.
> Incidentally, since the domain name transfer appears to have gone
> through, www.tsrinc.com is live, though from the looks of it, they
> haven't finished transferring their content yet.
And as TSR is on holiday until the 6th of January, we probably won't see
anything until after that date at least.
Steven Taylor
Terry Austin
ly...@theurgy.digex.net (Lydia Leong) wrote:
>Furthermore, it looks like TSR is doing transfer of a domain name.
>In fact, it looks like the transfer's gone through, to judge by the
>new whois tsrinc.com:
> Record last updated on 26-Dec-96.
> Record created on 13-Dec-94.
> Domain servers in listed order:
> NS1.ANAWAVE.COM 208.197.88.12
> NS2.ANAWAVE.COM 208.197.88.11
Wow. That's where my site is. Nice, fast servers. Hope they don't
have any problems that aren't in the Troubleshooting Guide, though.
>Transfers are a real pain; they _cannot_ be done electronically, but
>require mailing or FAXing a letter of authorization on the company
>letterhead. The InterNIC is frequently not at all good about processing
>transfers in a timely manner.
Actually, that's not true. Or wasn't, as few months ago when I moved
my domain to Anawave. It was all handled by email. Still slower, but
no paper was involved.
>Well, one possibility is that their ISP simply didn't give it to them.
>Another possibility is that since tsrinc.com is a virtual domain (it
>resides on a machine that serves as the webserver for many companies)
>that the webserver is configured to return a certain hostname, even if you
>try to access it via IP address (they could use this to force URLs to
>appear as www.tsrinc.com instead of tsrinc.com, for example).
Anawave is growing pretty quickly right now, and may well have
recently aquired some more IP addresses. What's really got me
confused is Sean's remarks about waiting for someone else to upload
files. Anawave doesn't have an account that doesn't give direct ftp
access (except on their secure servers). Judging by the contact info
on their whois, I wonder if Interplay is administering the account
somehow.
>I also happen to think it's VERY bad practice to access sites by their
>IP address, since the IP could theoretically change at any time (it's a
>common practice for ISPs to move virtual domains to other machines in
>order to balance out traffic, which sometimes means assigning a new
>IP address).
Not an unlikely event at Anawave. Happened to me once already.
J. McGuire
Tim Breen wrote:
>
> TSR's lack of _any_ response, AT ALL, says to me that they're closed for
> the holidays.
They are. AFAIK, nobody's going to be back until Jan. 6.
J. McGuire
I could $tand looking a bit Biffly if it would $top this endle$$
flamage. (at lea$t a$ long a$ we keep it to '$' -- I am NOT going to
$pell my company'$ name \/\/1NT3RTR33!)
$eriou$ly...one Bad Thing that come$ from u$ing "T$R" all the time i$
that it dilute$ the value of the in$ult -- $o, when you REALLY need it
(like the next time they do $omething really egregiou$) -- nobody
notice$ your prote$t because "T$R" i$ nothing out of the ordinary. After
all, if I were to call you numb-nut$ all of the time, how would you tell
when I was trying to in$ult you? $ame idea.
-- Jean
Wintertree $oftware | Remember to remove the $pambot-blocker
http://www.io.com/~wtsoft | from my addre$$ before replying via email
"When the foolkiller come$, we'd better ALL hide in the tall gra$$"
Nick Meredith
mac...@ix.netcom.com (ThresholdMUD) wrote:
>Admission is the first step on the road to recovery Sean. Kudos. =)
Either your computer date is set wrong, or your service provider is
delaying your meassages for a week!
Alternatively you can't tell the time.
Which will you admit?
--
Cheers
Nick Meredith - ni...@discover.co.uk - Coventry
The Amorphous Mass
J. McGuire (wts...@ix.REMOVE.THIS.netcom.com) wrote:
>$eriou$ly...one Bad Thing that come$ from u$ing "T$R" all the time i$
>that it dilute$ the value of the in$ult -- $o, when you REALLY need it
>(like the next time they do $omething really egregiou$) -- nobody
>notice$ your prote$t because "T$R" i$ nothing out of the ordinary.
d00d --
R1GhT 0N !!!!!!!!! But, l1k3, th3 problem there 1$ that ...... the TSR
d00ds (who are S00000000 K3\/\/L!!!!!! R0CK ON DRIZ'ZT!!!!!!) alr3ady g3t
s0 much flamag3 from lam3-0$ that it$ 2 lat3 ...... $0 th3 T0Ta11y
RiGhT30u$ thing 2 do i$ to r3$ort 2 mor3 art1culat3 1n$ult$ wh3n you
n33d 2 ......
Anywaz ..... h0p3 th1s h3lps ..... and r3m3mb3r ..... T$R SUXXXX !!!!!!!
(I think I'm gonna be sick.)
--
The Amorphous Mass If I knew what I was doing,
amo...@avalon.net it wouldn't be research.
Terry Austin
amo...@avalon.net (The Amorphous Mass) wrote:
> (I think I'm gonna be sick.)
Join the club. Go wash you keyboard out with soap.
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