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TSR Online Coordinator - TSRinc@aol.com

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Dec 20, 1996, 3:00:00 AM12/20/96
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A post from the TSR Online Coordinator....

The site is ready, and everything is plugged in (pretty much). Now
we're just waiting for InterNIC to update the domain name pointer. Once
that happens, it should go live. However, I unfortunately don't know
when that will be ... apparently InterNIC is really bogged down and is
slow to get these things done.

Please don't get mad at them, though ... the registration for the
tsrinc.com domain was also due, which is just more virtual-paperwork for
them, so that may be part of the delay.

Anyway, you know what to do.

(chorus of voice)

START FLAMING!

::sigh::


--
Sean Reynolds, TSR Online Coordinator
TSR...@aol.com | AOL: keyword TSR | http://users.aol.com/tsrinc/
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Coming December 20: http://www.tsrinc.com


The Amorphous Mass

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TSR Online Coordinator - TSR...@aol.com (TSR...@aol.com) wrote:
>
> The site is ready, and everything is plugged in (pretty much). Now
>we're just waiting for InterNIC to update the domain name pointer. Once
>that happens, it should go live. However, I unfortunately don't know
>when that will be ... apparently InterNIC is really bogged down and is
>slow to get these things done.
>
> Anyway, you know what to do.
> (chorus of voice)
> START FLAMING!

Yeah!!!! T$R SUXXXXX!!! *snort* :-)

Actually, I just rolled my eyes at InterNIC. Apparently they haven't
even been good about identifying and correcting bogus information on their
database, never mind updating legit information. There are more than a
few people in news.admin.net-abuse.* who'd like a few words with them
(including an old college buddy of mine who's a regular in .email --
small world).
Oh, and you can probably remove the "Coming December 20" line from your
.sig now. Or at least replace "December 20" with "Real Soon Now." :-)

--
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amo...@avalon.net it wouldn't be research.

Steve

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Dec 20, 1996, 3:00:00 AM12/20/96
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In article <skreynE2...@netcom.com>, skr...@netcom.com says...

>
> The site is ready, and everything is plugged in (pretty much). Now
>we're just waiting for InterNIC to update the domain name pointer. Once
>that happens, it should go live. However, I unfortunately don't know
>when that will be ... apparently InterNIC is really bogged down and is
>slow to get these things done.
>
> Please don't get mad at them, though ... the registration for the
>tsrinc.com domain was also due, which is just more virtual-paperwork for
>them, so that may be part of the delay.
>

I don't mean to be exceptionally picky, but just to clarify things a bit, the
above is not an entirely accurate statement.

The InterNIC is not in the loop at this time. The TSRINC.COM domain name has
been registered for some time (as the results of a "whois" has shown).

I'm guessing (although I'm actually pretty sure) that the delay is for the
various DNS servers around the Net to have their caches updated with the
address of the specific node "www.tsrinc.com"

If anyone has the IP address of the site, that could be used (e.g.
http://###.###.###.###/) and the site should be visible. This assumes the site
is up and running (of course).

The usual time for for propagation of the DNS info is < 24 hours, so stay tuned
eveyone.

If I've spoken out of turn Sean, I apologize, but I do believe this explanation
may help to sooth us restless savages :)


The Golem

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skr...@netcom.com (TSR Online Coordinator - TSR...@aol.com) wrote:

>A post from the TSR Online Coordinator....

> The site is ready, and everything is plugged in (pretty much). Now

>we're just waiting for InterNIC to update the domain name pointer. Once
>that happens, it should go live. However, I unfortunately don't know
>when that will be ... apparently InterNIC is really bogged down and is
>slow to get these things done.
>
> Please don't get mad at them, though ... the registration for the
>tsrinc.com domain was also due, which is just more virtual-paperwork for
>them, so that may be part of the delay.
>

> Anyway, you know what to do.
>
> (chorus of voice)
>
> START FLAMING!

[flame mode on]

Damn TSR and their evil ways....

[flame mode off]

Not much of a flame eh? Cause it's InterNIC we should flame!!

Pardon my ignorance here, but can you give us a series of numbers, ie.
###.###.### that point to the site without domain name, isn't it
called an IP address or something. Really, this isn't sarcastic, as I
said, pardon my ignorance.

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Tim Breen

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Dec 20, 1996, 3:00:00 AM12/20/96
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Tim Breen wrote:

> This could be a place/IP address with which to start looking for the TSR
> server...

...or maybe not. Games Online just seems to be another game company. Who
knows why it's their DNS server which is listed on the tsrinc.com
"whois" report?

-- Tim

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Tim Breen

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Dec 20, 1996, 3:00:00 AM12/20/96
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From InterNIC:
tsrinc.com is hosted by gamesonline.com. Their name server is:

DNS.GAMESONLINE.COM 207.77.204.254

This could be a place/IP address with which to start looking for the TSR
server...

-- Tim

^^Angel^^

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For some reason I can not get it....my computers says "unable...server
something URL or something entry........or whatever.......
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Jason Hatter

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Dec 21, 1996, 3:00:00 AM12/21/96
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The Amorphous Mass (amo...@avalon.net) wrote:
: Actually, I just rolled my eyes at InterNIC. Apparently they haven't


: even been good about identifying and correcting bogus information on their
: database, never mind updating legit information. There are more than a
: few people in news.admin.net-abuse.* who'd like a few words with them
: (including an old college buddy of mine who's a regular in .email --
: small world).


Tack on several people who use Concentric as well. Seems that several
times whole banks of IP addresses that were assigned to Concentric start
reading as invalid...and InterNIC keeps saying "oh, we'll fix that
problem..."
--
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ThresholdMUD

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In article <skreynE2...@netcom.com>,

skr...@netcom.com (TSR Online Coordinator - TSR...@aol.com) wrote:
>A post from the TSR Online Coordinator....
>
> The site is ready, and everything is plugged in (pretty much). Now
>we're just waiting for InterNIC to update the domain name pointer. Once
>that happens, it should go live. However, I unfortunately don't know
>when that will be ... apparently InterNIC is really bogged down and is
>slow to get these things done.


This is a bunch of hooey. I registered a domain name THIS WEEK and it took
InterNIC 2 business days to do EVERYTHING frmo start to finish! And I'm just a
regular person, not a big, powerful, rich, moneygrubbing corporation.

Don't blame InterNIC. They are running great lately. (ESPECIALLY for .com
domains whose registration is almost 100% automated). Furthermore, why would
you wait until the last minute for the domain registration. $100 for 2 years
is chump change for the mighty T$R.

I think T$R is stooping to NEW LOWS with this BOLD FACED brazen lie.

-Aristotle@Threshold

Terry Austin

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Terry Austin

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Let's try this again, with the brain engaged.

mac...@ix.netcom.com (ThresholdMUD) wrote:

>This is a bunch of hooey. I registered a domain name THIS WEEK and
it took
>InterNIC 2 business days to do EVERYTHING frmo start to finish! And
I'm just a
>regular person, not a big, powerful, rich, moneygrubbing corporation.

TSR has had tsrinc.com registered for some time (since 13-Dec-94, in
fact). They're not registering it, they're changing it. When I
moved my domain name from ni.net to anawave.com, it took about a week
and a half to make the change and propagate it throughout the 'Net.
This is partly due to slow work on the part of my ISP, and partly due
to the email confirmation that was required. And, from what I'm
told, most ISP's only update 3 times a week, so propagation can take
up to 3 days.

The last update on tsrinc.com was 1-Nov-96, so it seems likely that
either TSR's ISP has been slow sending the update info, or InterNIC
has been slow processing it. But I suspect it isn't TSR's fault.
Sean does know what he's doing.

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John R. Troy

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Dec 21, 1996, 3:00:00 AM12/21/96
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On Sat, 21 Dec 1996 07:31:56 GMT, tau...@hyperbooks.com (Terry
Austin) wrote:

>The last update on tsrinc.com was 1-Nov-96, so it seems likely that
>either TSR's ISP has been slow sending the update info, or InterNIC
>has been slow processing it. But I suspect it isn't TSR's fault.
>Sean does know what he's doing.

Also keep in mind too that December 20th is a lousy time to officially
release something like this. It is way too close to Christmas, so I
think many workers get put into a "holiday" mode, and get a bit
distracted.

I have heard good and bad stories about ISPs trying to hook up virtual
domains. And have experienced it a little bit first hand as an agent
for a company that wanted one. Hopefully, it will be up soon, and I
don't blame TSR for this at all.
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TSR Inc

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>This is a bunch of hooey. I registered a domain name THIS WEEK and it
took
>InterNIC 2 business days to do EVERYTHING frmo start to finish! And I'm
just a
>regular person, not a big, powerful, rich, moneygrubbing corporation.

Lucky you. However, InterNIC _is_ the source of the delay ... part
of the problem might be that the domain name registration for tsrinc.com
was due, and so they may be waiting to process _that_. But in any case,
as soon as it pops in, the site will be live. However, I am not sure
how much of it was copied over from the development server (we're not
hosting it in-house, and so I don't have direct control over that),
so it may look a little odd until I get the rest of the material
copied over.

>Don't blame InterNIC. They are running great lately. (ESPECIALLY for .com

>domains whose registration is almost 100% automated). Furthermore, why
would
>you wait until the last minute for the domain registration. $100 for 2
years
>is chump change for the mighty T$R.

Considering that it was registered before I started here at TSR, I really
had
no idea when it was due to be updated. This news came as a surprise to
me,
and with such excellent timing, too.

>I think T$R is stooping to NEW LOWS with this BOLD FACED brazen lie.

Thank you for your support. :)


Wait, I have a better answer, that you probably will prefer to the one
I gave above:

I am a moron. I cannot do anything right. I am lucky that I am
able to velcro my shoes in the morning. i have to gum my food when
I chew it because I pulled out all of my teeth to prevent cavities.
I actually am a trained, shaved monkey that likes to throw feces and
rotten fruit at people that pass my cage. I beg forgiveness, and
pray that I will someday be worthy enough to lick your unwashed
feet.

Better? :)

- Sean

Ed Taychert

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Dec 21, 1996, 3:00:00 AM12/21/96
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TSR Online Coordinator - TSR...@aol.com wrote:
>
> A post from the TSR Online Coordinator....
>
> The site is ready, and everything is plugged in (pretty much). Now
> we're just waiting for InterNIC to update the domain name pointer.

Well ... what's the ip address? The internic isn't keeping you off
the air, we just don't know where to aim our packets!

Assuming you made your URL's relative to your server root, (that's
just good web design!) it won't matter once we get to the home page ...


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ThresholdMUD

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In article <59g4bq$r...@news1.ni.net>,

tau...@hyperbooks.com (Terry Austin) wrote:
>The last update on tsrinc.com was 1-Nov-96, so it seems likely that
>either TSR's ISP has been slow sending the update info, or InterNIC
>has been slow processing it. But I suspect it isn't TSR's fault.
>Sean does know what he's doing.

I agree. He knows *exactly* what he is doing. He is blaming InterNIC for T$R's
incompetence and poor planning.

-Aristotle@Threshold

ThresholdMUD

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Dec 21, 1996, 3:00:00 AM12/21/96
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In article <32bbd24...@news.tiac.net>,

john...@tiac.net (John R. Troy) wrote:
>Also keep in mind too that December 20th is a lousy time to officially
>release something like this. It is way too close to Christmas, so I
>think many workers get put into a "holiday" mode, and get a bit
>distracted.

Well, I applied for a domain name on Monday morning (Dec 16th), and by Tuesday
evening (Dec 17th) it was up and running. So if that is InterNIC's "holiday
speed" then its pretty damn impressive

-Aristotle@ThresholdMUD

Terry Austin

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mac...@ix.netcom.com (ThresholdMUD) wrote:

>Well, I applied for a domain name on Monday morning (Dec 16th),
>and by Tuesday evening (Dec 17th) it was up and running. So if
>that is InterNIC's "holiday speed" then its pretty damn impressive

They applied for their domain name in '94. They're not creating a new
domain, they're changing an existing one. And that takes longer,
because there are confirmations involved. And I'd be willing to wager
that your's was there the next day on your ISP's domain name servers
only. Mine was on ni.net the next day, too, but it was almost two
weeks before it had propagated throughout the 'Net. Why don't you use
the new address yet? Did Netcom tell you it would only be usable by
other Netcom users for a couple of weeks? What is it? Can we get a
Whois on it from InterNIC yet? I'll wager it's not there just yet.

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ThresholdMUD

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In article <19961221161...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

tsr...@aol.com (TSR Inc) wrote:
>Lucky you. However, InterNIC _is_ the source of the delay ... part
>of the problem might be that the domain name registration for tsrinc.com


If this is true, why didn't you publish the IP? Huh? Explain that bub.
If *ALL* that was holding you up was the propagation of the name, you could
have avoided the ENTIRE issue by publishing the IP here. But you didnt. Thats
indicative of something other than a delayed name registration.


>I am a moron. I cannot do anything right. I am lucky that I am
>able to velcro my shoes in the morning. i have to gum my food when
>I chew it because I pulled out all of my teeth to prevent cavities.
>I actually am a trained, shaved monkey that likes to throw feces and
>rotten fruit at people that pass my cage. I beg forgiveness, and
>pray that I will someday be worthy enough to lick your unwashed
>feet.

Admission is the first step on the road to recovery Sean. Kudos. =)


-Aristotle@ThresholdMUD

Terry Austin

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tsr...@aol.com (TSR Inc) wrote:

>Lucky you. However, InterNIC _is_ the source of the delay ... part
>of the problem might be that the domain name registration for
tsrinc.com

>was due, and so they may be waiting to process _that_. But in any
case,
>as soon as it pops in, the site will be live.

The fact that you're changing the domain, rather than registering it,
is also a factor. And the fact that Threshold's domain name probably
is *not* THRESHOLD.COM (which has been registered since '94, not
since this week), it doens't seem to be in InterNIC's Whois yet
(unless he's chosen a name that doesn't include the world
threashold). My guess is that Netcom has activated his domain name
internally (NI did this on mine), knowing that InterNIC will
eventually approve it. It'll probably be about 2 weeks, or more,
before it works outside Netcom.

>However, I am not sure
>how much of it was copied over from the development server (we're not
>hosting it in-house, and so I don't have direct control over that),
>so it may look a little odd until I get the rest of the material
>copied over.

I though you said you had a *good* ISP! I didn't know there were web
hosts that didn't allow ftp access (other than on secure servers,
where they don't dare).

>Thank you for your support. :)

Ya, he makes a good jock strap, doesn't he?

>Wait, I have a better answer, that you probably will prefer to the
one
>I gave above:

>I am a moron. I cannot do anything right. I am lucky that I am


>able to velcro my shoes in the morning. i have to gum my food when
>I chew it because I pulled out all of my teeth to prevent cavities.
>I actually am a trained, shaved monkey that likes to throw feces and
>rotten fruit at people that pass my cage. I beg forgiveness, and
>pray that I will someday be worthy enough to lick your unwashed
>feet.

Can I quote you on that in my .sig?


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ThresholdMUD

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In article <59h7ss$b...@news1.ni.net>,

tau...@hyperbooks.com (Terry Austin) wrote:
>They applied for their domain name in '94. They're not creating a new
>domain, they're changing an existing one. And that takes longer,
>because there are confirmations involved. And I'd be willing to wager
>that your's was there the next day on your ISP's domain name servers
>only. Mine was on ni.net the next day, too, but it was almost two
>weeks before it had propagated throughout the 'Net. Why don't you use
>the new address yet? Did Netcom tell you it would only be usable by
>other Netcom users for a couple of weeks? What is it? Can we get a
>Whois on it from InterNIC yet? I'll wager it's not there just yet.

Well, then once again (the occasions are becoming too numerous to keep count
of) you would be 100% incorrect. My clients could hit the page from all over
the globe (US, Canada, UK, and Australia) Tuesday evening.

You really should at least make an ATTEMPT to know what you are talking about
=). If T$R is going to have a presence on the internet, they should hire some
people that comprehend how it works.

-Aristotle@ThresholdMUD

ThresholdMUD

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In article <59h8gb$b...@news1.ni.net>,

tau...@hyperbooks.com (Terry Austin) wrote:
>The fact that you're changing the domain, rather than registering it,
>is also a factor. And the fact that Threshold's domain name probably
>is *not* THRESHOLD.COM (which has been registered since '94, not
>since this week), it doens't seem to be in InterNIC's Whois yet
>(unless he's chosen a name that doesn't include the world
>threashold). My guess is that Netcom has activated his domain name
>internally (NI did this on mine), knowing that InterNIC will
>eventually approve it. It'll probably be about 2 weeks, or more,
>before it works outside Netcom.

As I stated in a previous post, you are dead flat wrong. As of Tuesday night,
it was available all over the world. Also, the domain had nothing to do with
ThresholdMUD. The MUD is a hobby, not my business. I didnt go to college and
law school so I could try to earn a living running a MUD =).

As for the rest of your post, it seems you got confused by which portions were
written by which person.

Regardless of registering a new domain/changing an old one, the fact is T$R is
the party at fault, *not* InterNIC.

1) InterNIC tells companies to allow WEEKS not days. They overestimate the
time it takes, so companies can plan accordingly.

2) T$R should *NOT* have started publishing a SET date until they knew their
site was going to be ready. That is disgustingly poor planning.

3) If the T$R site was TRULY ready, they would have printed the IP along with
the name address. This fact has been posted on this group NUMEROUS times now,
and yet T$R still has not released the IP. Why not? Huh T$R? Explain this? WHY
WHY WHY WHY? You could have prevented all of this silly debate if you had just
listed the IP along with the name. Of course, that would have prevented you
from being able to use the "InterNIC fucked up" excuse for your web site not
being ready.

4) A company with the size and assets of T$R should be a lot more organized
than this. If you set a specific date, you should be darn sure you are going
to be able to meet it. In fact, if you give a set date, you should be darn
sure you can have the site running a few days beforehand. Thats called running
a quality business.

-Aristotle@ThresholdMUD

p.s. I (nor any relative, friend, or employee) am not affiliated with InterNIC
in any way shape or form other than having 2 domains registered with them.

Daniel Cunningham

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> Wait, I have a better answer, that you probably will prefer to the one
> I gave above:
>
> I am a moron. I cannot do anything right. I am lucky that I am
> able to velcro my shoes in the morning. i have to gum my food when
> I chew it because I pulled out all of my teeth to prevent cavities.
> I actually am a trained, shaved monkey that likes to throw feces and
> rotten fruit at people that pass my cage. I beg forgiveness, and
> pray that I will someday be worthy enough to lick your unwashed
> feet.
>

> Better? :)
>
> - Sean
>
>>>>
That is strange. I defintly remember seeing a full set of teeth when we last
saw you and their were no piles of feces and rotten fruit. Damn TSR must have
an excellent cleaning staff. 8-)
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Michael Brown

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From: mac...@ix.netcom.com (ThresholdMUD)

>2) T$R should *NOT* have started publishing a SET date until they knew their
>site was going to be ready. That is disgustingly poor planning.

Use of "T$R" is unacceptable. Get this through your head.
Or do you just really enjoy your role as the group's current
number-one scumsucker?

-Michael

Daniel Solomon

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ThresholdMUD wrote:
>
> Regardless of registering a new domain/changing an old one, the fact is T$R is
> the party at fault, *not* InterNIC.
>

Why don't you just chill out! It's only a damn game.
--
- Dan Solomon, dsol...@enteract.com
http://www.enteract.com/~dsolomon/
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rem...@mindspring.com

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TSR Inc wrote:

> I am a moron. I cannot do anything right. I am lucky that I am

> able to velcro my shoes in the morning. I have to gum my food when


> I chew it because I pulled out all of my teeth to prevent cavities.
> I actually am a trained, shaved monkey that likes to throw feces and
> rotten fruit at people that pass my cage. I beg forgiveness, and
> pray that I will someday be worthy enough to lick your unwashed
> feet.

Ha! So you confirm our suspicions! :-) <---really big smiley

Yurz Trooly,
The Munchkin King

rem...@mindspring.com

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First Poison, then StephenJ, now Threshold. Who will be sucked
in next?... Terry? Oh, Terry...

BlueMist

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Michael Brown wrote:
>
> From: mac...@ix.netcom.com (ThresholdMUD)
> >2) T$R should *NOT* have started publishing a SET date until they knew their
> >site was going to be ready. That is disgustingly poor planning.
>
> Use of "T$R" is unacceptable. Get this through your head.
> Or do you just really enjoy your role as the group's current
> number-one scumsucker?

I use the t$r logo in almost all my posts to this group, does that make
me the number two scumsucker?
Besides, if what he was saying was not true, we wouldn't have this
thread running now would we?

Please feel free to kiss my Orc on the way out the door...
--
Fare-thee-well,
BlueMist

Shawn Wright

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TSR Inc wrote:

>
> Wait, I have a better answer, that you probably will prefer to the one
> I gave above:
>

> I am a moron. I cannot do anything right. I am lucky that I am

> able to velcro my shoes in the morning. i have to gum my food when


> I chew it because I pulled out all of my teeth to prevent cavities.
> I actually am a trained, shaved monkey that likes to throw feces and
> rotten fruit at people that pass my cage. I beg forgiveness, and
> pray that I will someday be worthy enough to lick your unwashed
> feet.
>

> Better? :)
>
> - Sean

Wait Sean I thought this was just another piece in the TSR plot to
take over the world :)

Alan Kohler

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In article <32BC47...@mindspring.com>, rem...@mindspring.com says...

>
>Michael Brown wrote:
>>
>> From: mac...@ix.netcom.com (ThresholdMUD)
>> >2) T$R should *NOT* have started publishing a SET date until they knew
their
>> >site was going to be ready. That is disgustingly poor planning.
>>
>> Use of "T$R" is unacceptable. Get this through your head.
>> Or do you just really enjoy your role as the group's current
>> number-one scumsucker?
>
> First Poison, then StephenJ, now Threshold. Who will be sucked
>in next?... Terry? Oh, Terry...

Anyone who's been around for a while might remember that Terry held the
position of frp.dnd.resident.hate.child for a while before posion ever reared
his ugly head... not that poison didn't reach new heights in his calling...
--
Alan D Kohler
hwk...@poky.srv.net
"Villains, I say to you now, knock off all that evil!" - the Tick


ThresholdMUD

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In article <59hed6$e...@agate.berkeley.edu>,

mik...@thurston.ME.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Brown) wrote:
>From: mac...@ix.netcom.com (ThresholdMUD)
>>2) T$R should *NOT* have started publishing a SET date until they knew their
>>site was going to be ready. That is disgustingly poor planning.
>
> Use of "T$R" is unacceptable. Get this through your head.
> Or do you just really enjoy your role as the group's current
> number-one scumsucker?
>
>-Michael


Unacceptable? Why HELLO Hitler!

You are breaking NEW ground in the realm of absurdity with such a ridiculous
statement. If I choose to express my opinion by calling them T$R that is my
right. Have they copyrighted/trademarked T$R also? They probably should.

If anyone is a scum-sucker it is you for your obsessive behavior in which you
seem to think you can declare how other people express their opinions.

You *REALLY* need to get over yourself and move on.

-Aristotle@ThresholdMUD

ThresholdMUD

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In article <32BC61...@enteract.com>,

Daniel Solomon <dsol...@enteract.com> wrote:
>ThresholdMUD wrote:
>>
>> Regardless of registering a new domain/changing an old one, the fact is T$R
is
>> the party at fault, *not* InterNIC.
>>
>
>Why don't you just chill out! It's only a damn game.


Personally, I could care less. I will probably never visit their web site. But
as an American Consumer, I find it pathetic when a large company is run with
such incredible inteptitude and complete lack of regard for its customers.

-Aristotle@ThresholdMUD

dave...@hooked.net

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In article <19961221161...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

tsr...@aol.com (TSR Inc) wrote:
>
> Lucky you. However, InterNIC _is_ the source of the delay ... part
> of the problem might be that the domain name registration for tsrinc.com
> was due, and so they may be waiting to process _that_. But in any case,
> as soon as it pops in, the site will be live. However, I am not sure

> how much of it was copied over from the development server (we're not
> hosting it in-house, and so I don't have direct control over that),
> so it may look a little odd until I get the rest of the material
> copied over.
>
...
> - Sean

So what kind of delay are we talking about here? Sometime Saturday evening?
Late Tuesday? Three weeks from now? Just want to set my expectations
accordingly.

Dave
-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet

Alan Kohler

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In article <59hrev$s...@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>, mac...@ix.netcom.com
says...

Quite reactionary, aren't we? You really are on the way to becoming this
newsgroup's next hate child. And if anyone is guilty of obsessive behavior, it
seems to be you slamming Sean and TSR for not getting a site up on time (to
which I say "So what!"). Ok, it's your right to express your opinion, but
we've all heard you hammer your point home several times now. Settle down.

John Candy's Ghost

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> In article <59hed6$e...@agate.berkeley.edu>,
> mik...@thurston.ME.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Brown) wrote:

> > Use of "T$R" is unacceptable. Get this through your head.
> > Or do you just really enjoy your role as the group's current
> > number-one scumsucker?
> >
> >-Michael

Thre$holeMUCK replied:

> Unacceptable? Why HELLO Hitler!

Hitler wasn't acceptable either, schmuck. you seem to have a real axe
to grind with the folks at TSR who gave you your hobby to begin with,
you absurdist dingle-berry.



> You are breaking NEW ground in the realm of absurdity with such a ridiculous
> statement. If I choose to express my opinion by calling them T$R that is my
> right. Have they copyrighted/trademarked T$R also? They probably should.

It's my right to refer to you as The$holeMUCK, too, and I will from now
on. As a matter of fact, I think I'll change the thread, just to get
the news out. If this doesn't bother you, I don't care. It's just my
right, after all.



> You *REALLY* need to get over yourself and move on.
>

> -Aristotle@Thre$holeMUCK

Glass houses, throwing stones...etc etc etc.
--
"You know what I always say?"
"I know...go with the flow..."
"Like the twig on the shoulders of the mighty stream..."
John Candy as Del Griffith

John Candy's Ghost (gra...@frontiernet.net)

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Cymbelline

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ThresholdMUD had this to say...

>I agree. He knows *exactly* what he is doing. He is blaming InterNIC for
T$R's
>incompetence and poor planning.
>
>-Aristotle@Threshold

You know, I'm getting pretty tired of hearing you do nothing but bash TSR,
ADnD, Sean Reynolds, and anyone else who is either associated with TSR, or
admits to liking the products they bring out. This newsgroup is meant to be
for people who enjoy the game and wish to discuss the different aspects of
it, bring useful information to others who enjoy the game, and find out
things about the game, as well as hear interesting stories from other
people's campaigns.

Now, I am not adverse to the odd bit of criticism, and I will clearly point
to a bad product if I see one, but it seems all that you enjoy doing is
spending your time putting down everything and everyone. Not once have you
contributed anything constructive, helpful, or even remotely interesting to
this group.

So please, if you have any intentions of making friends here (though I am
guessing you only wish to make waves), get into the spirit of the game and
treat everyone else like an equal, and not the inferiors you seem to think we
all are.

Regards,
Cymbelline.

TSRKeith

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While I really don't want to awaken this ugly beast again, their are a
few things I want to clarify before I explode with frustration:

mac...@ix.netcom.com (aka Aristotle@ThresholdMUD) spewed:

<<Unacceptable? Why HELLO Hitler!>>

Wow, I thought I was the one who allegedly called people Nazi's :)
(I sure hope people of the anti-TSR crowd don't get as agitated at you
as they did at me--then again, you're one of the fold, and the pro-TSR
people are merely brainwashed zombies, so I don't expect the public outcry
will be as fierce).

Seriously, I did mean to express my thoughts on the following comment:

<<You are breaking NEW ground in the realm of absurdity with such a
ridiculous
statement. If I choose to express my opinion by calling them T$R that is
my
right. Have they copyrighted/trademarked T$R also? They probably should.>>

Aristotle,
You are correct in the assertion of your right to use T$R. I'm sure the
original poster merely meant to say that the use of T$R is unnacceptable
in any form of polite, rational discourse. Personally, (and I think I
speak for all employees of TSR who are online) I stop taking any
post/poster seriously when he or she uses T$R. It is clearly an
intentional mark of disrespect designed to antagonize and vilify both the
corporation and its employees (please read the FAQ if you want more info
on this term). Furthermore, the use of T$R acts as a kind of seal or
symbol denoting that the post in which it appears is almost entirely a)
content free, b) logic free, or c) context free (the number of such posts
with these attributes appearing in this newsgroup attests to this
reality).

Usually, I stop reading a post as soon as T$R appears in it, but I made
an exception in your case. I have watched over the past few days as you've
spewed your "biting" wit across at least 3 different newsgroups. You've
made quite a reputation for yourself (and none of it good). You may see
yourself (as others on the net see themselves) as a warrior for Truth, or
a revolutionary prophet sent to purify and liberate role-playing from the
evil domination of the megacorp known as TSR (heck, maybe I'm overstating
my case), but all I see is just one more person using half-logic, taking
thing things out of context, and generally spreading ill will and
flame-bait across the net. It's sad really, because I would think that
people have more important things to do with their time.

TSR employees are gamers who care about their work and the way the
public receives it. We are looking for constructive criticism and ideas
expressed according to the established rules of civilized discourse. It is
obvious from the tone and content of your posts that you do not wish to
follow such useful conventions.

I hope you don't have anything important to say, because no one is
listening.

Keith Strohm
Editor, Creative Services
TSR, Inc.

Terry Austin

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hwk...@spammers.must.die.net (Alan Kohler) wrote:

>Anyone who's been around for a while might remember that Terry held the
>position of frp.dnd.resident.hate.child for a while before posion ever reared
>his ugly head... not that poison didn't reach new heights in his calling...
>--

That was during the "Why won't Ms. Lindman answer my letter" episode,
wasn't it? During which, at various times, I flamed both sides for
being stubborn and silly. Nobody likes being caught looking foolish.

(No more PGP signatures, as PILOT GAME seems to be really, really
*gone*.)

Terry Austin

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BlueMist <blue...@netside.com> wrote:

>I use the t$r logo in almost all my posts to this group, does that make
>me the number two scumsucker?

Not the word I'd use, but Mike has harsh things to say to me when I
use profanity.

Don't expect people who work for TSR to take you very seriously, or
even treat you politely, when you do something you know offends them.

(Haven't we been here before?)

Terry Austin

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mac...@ix.netcom.com (ThresholdMUD) wrote:

>Unacceptable? Why HELLO Hitler!

Good. This thread is now officially dead.

>You are breaking NEW ground in the realm of absurdity with such a ridiculous
>statement. If I choose to express my opinion by calling them T$R that is my
>right. Have they copyrighted/trademarked T$R also? They probably should.

There is *nothing* new on this subject. We broiled it to a crisp a
couple of months ago. TSR employees find it offensive when people use
T$R, and will usually treat you like the asshole you are. The "I hate
T$R" crowd finds it offensive when TSR employees call Gygax a
no-talent hack, and will treat them like the assholes they are.

Besides, T$R is a gas station in Nevada.

>If anyone is a scum-sucker it is you for your obsessive behavior in which you
>seem to think you can declare how other people express their opinions.

We've had a couple week long flamewar on the subject. TSR employees
find T$R offensive. You now know this. Where I come from, people who
do things that they *know* will offend people have a special name:
Asshole.

>You *REALLY* need to get over yourself and move on.

As do you. And me. And most of the rest of this group.

Terry Austin

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tsrk...@aol.com (TSRKeith) wrote:

> I hope you don't have anything important to say, because no one is
>listening.

Well said.

Daniel Solomon

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Alan Kohler wrote:
>
> In article <59hrev$s...@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>, mac...@ix.netcom.com
> >
> >You *REALLY* need to get over yourself and move on.
>
> Quite reactionary, aren't we? You really are on the way to becoming this
> newsgroup's next hate child. And if anyone is guilty of obsessive behavior, it
> seems to be you slamming Sean and TSR for not getting a site up on time (to
> which I say "So what!"). Ok, it's your right to express your opinion, but
> we've all heard you hammer your point home several times now. Settle down.

Especially since he has stated that he doesn't even have any use for the
TSR site. His response is far to personal to be just looking out for
the
general welfare of consumers. (What a load of crap!)

Terry Austin

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mac...@ix.netcom.com (ThresholdMUD) wrote:

>Personally, I could care less. I will probably never visit their web site. But
>as an American Consumer, I find it pathetic when a large company is run with
>such incredible inteptitude and complete lack of regard for its customers.

So why pick on TSR? Why not go to alt.news.microsoft and attack
Microsoft? They are much larger, and have the same lack of regard for
far more customers. Don't play rightious crusader on us, you little
twerp.

What you find pathetic is that you're not the center of attention.

Neal Law

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On Sat, 21 Dec 96 18:04:49 GMT, mac...@ix.netcom.com (ThresholdMUD)
wrote:

>You really should at least make an ATTEMPT to know what you are talking about
>=). If T$R is going to have a presence on the internet, they should hire some
>people that comprehend how it works.
>
>-Aristotle@ThresholdMUD

Are you playing Devil's advocate here or were you really born an
ASSHOLE?

Shawn Wright

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>it seems to be you slamming Sean and TSR for not getting a site up on time (to
> which I say "So what!"). Ok, it's your right to express your opinion, but
> we've all heard you hammer your point home several times now. Settle down.
> --
> Alan D Kohler
> hwk...@poky.srv.net
> "Villains, I say to you now, knock off all that evil!" - the Tick

Three fascinating things:

#1 We are all using computers,a medium notorius for missing release
dates

#2 One of you said you would'nt access the site in some kind of wierd
protest,yet complained about the late release???????

#3 TSR(say it proud and without the $$$$$$)does not owe us a web site.It
is a service.

#4 All of Seans posts have said ESTIMATED date.

#5 Sean has kept us updated,thanks Sean

#6 I count a lot of TSR employees on the newsgroups and mailing lists,I
think they have shown the commitment they have to us(unless you believe
it's all part of the master plan?)

#7 In the immortal words of the Eagles "GET OVER IT"

Jason Hatter

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BlueMist (blue...@netside.com) wrote:
: I use the t$r logo in almost all my posts to this group, does that make

Not hard to believe, considering that afaict, this is the first time
you've posted in this newsgroup. Let me go check DejaNews...I'll get back
to you on this...
--
Jason
http://www.cris.com/~towonder/
RPG stuff at http://www.cris.com/~towonder/rpg.html
featuring Sailor Moon V at http://www.cris.com/~towonder/fanfic.html

Jason Hatter

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BlueMist (blue...@netside.com) wrote:
: I use the t$r logo in almost all my posts to this group, does that make

: me the number two scumsucker?
: Besides, if what he was saying was not true, we wouldn't have this


: thread running now would we?

Okay, just checked. Which of the other 6 posts you've made in this
newsgroup had T$R in it? I must have missed it...

J. McGuire

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ThresholdMUD wrote:
>
> Unacceptable? Why HELLO Hitler!

Thank you, Michael. Godwin's Law has been invoked. We can now call this
thread officially dead.

-- Jean

Wintertree Software | Remember to remove the spambot-blocker
http://www.io.com/~wtsoft | from my address before replying via email

"When the foolkiller comes, we'd better ALL hide in the tall grass"

bob blanchard

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> >
> > Record last updated on 01-Nov-96.
> > Record created on 13-Dec-94.
> >
> > Domain servers in listed order:
> >
> > DNS.GAMESONLINE.COM 207.77.204.254
> > DNS1.GAMESONLINE.COM 207.78.69.91

interesting :)

bob blanchard

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