news:r6e7ihto76ncsk6vk...@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 14:49:37 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
> Kujisalimisha <
taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>The trademark claim would be far more easily enforced - if they
>>hadn't screwed it up. But trademarks have to be defended, and
>>have to be used, and so on. They screwed it up. From what we,
>>the general public, can see so far, the don't have much of a
>>case.
>
> Actually, Wizards /does/ potentially have a case. There's such a
> thing as "common law right" to the trademark* if the previous
> owner is still using it. In a sense, that use /is/ a continued
> defense of that trademark, even if it hasn't the legal
> paperwork. It's a harder road to travel, but this is the
> argument that WotC is making. Cases have gone either way.
Except they haven't really been using it. The other company has
been around for some time, or maybe it was a *different* new "TSR"
that published Top Secret: New World Order, but they've failed to
defend it.
In any event, it's a decison for the jury to make, and our opinions
don't matter. (Nor do either of us, or the general public, have
anything like complete, or even vaguely reliable, information.)
>
> (The TSR mark might be the harder to protect, since I don't
> know how much use that gets, but AFAIK there are digital
> versions of the original Star Frontiers game that are still
> being sold, and if that's the case, those are definitely done
> with license from Wizards).
Yeah, but they weren't offered until well after any trademarks on
them had been diluted, probably to the point of not being
defensible, by other people making copies available.
>
>>> Still, whichever way it goes in the court of law, I don't
>>> think the discussion on the topic is irrelevant. At the very
>>> least it lets people know that this new "TSR Games" not only
>>> has nothing to do with "Wizards of the Coast", but that they
>>> probably don't want to do business with someone as racist and
>>> homobphobic as LaNasa is reputed to be.
>
>>Because, of course, to a lefty, accusations, especially of
>>racism and homophobis, are automatically 100% accurate at all
>>times, because it is literally impossible for a lefty to be
>>wrong in any way. Just ask a lefty.
>
> Alright, you got me. It was a pretty good troll too; I was
> fooled until the last bit. I give it 4.8 out of 5 bridges on the
> trollometer.
Sadly, a good deal of Wizards' target market believes every word of
that. You know it's true.
>
>
>
> But for those actually interested in the topic, here's a quote
> from the leaked copy of Star Frontiers New Genesis (please note:
> this is THEIR words, not mine):
>
> "* Negro (Sub-race Ulfar) (Humanoid class) - Tall, thick bodied,
> dark skinned even purle dark, brown-eye race with large strength
> average intelligence, All attributes in the 10+ range except
> intelligence which is maximum a +9
> * Nordic (Ulfar) (Humanoid Class) tall blonde, blue-eyed race
> with exceptional attributes and powers All attributes in the 13+
> range"
Context is everything, of course, but even if that's in context,
it's not grounds for Wizards to sue them. Copyright and/or
trademark violations are, but being racist assholes isn't.
>
> Note this was from the legal filing submitted by Wizards of the
> Coast, so its fairly unlikely to be something they just made up.
It's also vanishingly unlikely to be presented in context.
> They also point out to various transphobic and homophobic
> comments in the manuscript that are attributed to LaNasa. So
> it's not just unfounded accusations.
>
Also not grounds to sue them.
--
Terry Austin
Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration