Half-Elves and Ghouls in 3e
Tomas Syrstad Ruud
Quick rules question here:
I previous editions Ghoul paralysis did not work on elves, but did work on
half-elves. In 3e half-elves have the ability "Elven Blood" which means they
are considered elves for special abilities and effects.
Does this mean that half-elves are now immune to ghoul paralysis?
Tomas Ruud
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Geoff Watson
Geoff.
Maransreth
No as it would state elves and half-elves in the description in
paralysis under Ghoul.
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ability.
If the Ghoul paralysis rules specifically mentioned half-elves as not
being immune, then you would be right, but generally Elf includes Half Elf.
Geoff.
Arivne
I don't think Elven Blood gives elven immunities to half-elves. If it
did, the PH3 (p. 18) section giving half-elves immunity to Sleep would
be redundant, because Elven Blood would already give it to them!
The Elven Blood example says that half-elves can use elven weapons and
magic items with special elven powers as if they were elves. The power
allows a half-elf to "pass" as an elf and do things only an elf can
do.
For example, a half-elf could pass through a door that only an elf can
use, worship an elven deity that only an elf can worship, and so on.
Arivne
Hong Ooi
>tom...@ifi.uio.no (Tomas Syrstad Ruud) wrote:
>>
>> Quick rules question here:
>>
>> I previous editions Ghoul paralysis did not work on elves, but did work on
>> half-elves. In 3e half-elves have the ability "Elven Blood" which means they
>> are considered elves for special abilities and effects.
>>
>> Does this mean that half-elves are now immune to ghoul paralysis?
>
>I don't think Elven Blood gives elven immunities to half-elves. If it
>did, the PH3 (p. 18) section giving half-elves immunity to Sleep would
>be redundant, because Elven Blood would already give it to them!
The "elven blood" just means that half-elves are treated as elves whenever
it's relevant for game-mechanical purposes. This applies to magic items,
powers, spells, etc. In essence, they have the "elf" subtype, just as
half-orcs have the "orc" subtype.
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Anivair
>half-elves. In 3e half-elves have the ability "Elven Blood" which means they
> are considered elves for special abilities and effects.
>
>Does this mean that half-elves are now immune to ghoul paralysis?
moot point as elves are no longer immune to ghoul paralysis.
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Anivair
>ability.
>If the Ghoul paralysis rules specifically mentioned half-elves as not
>being immune, then you would be right, but generally Elf includes Half Elf.
You're right. Half elves are elves for the purpose of things that affect only
elves. But the rule he mentioned is a second edition rule. Elves are no
longer immune to ghoul poison. If they were, then half elves would be as well,
but they're not.
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Kitsune
Hrmmm I dunno, here's the statblock from the SRD.
Ghoul
Ghoul Ghast
Medium-Size Undead
Hit Dice: 2d12 (13 hp)
Initiative: +2 (Dex)
Speed: 30 ft.
AC: 14 (+2 Dex, +2 natural)
Attacks: Bite +3 melee; 2 claws +0 melee
Damage: Bite 1d6+1 and paralysis; claw 1d3 and paralysis
Face/Reach: 5 ft. by 5 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks: Paralysis, create spawn, Stench
Special Qualities: Undead, +2 turn resistance Undead
Saves: Fort +0, Ref +2, Will +5
Abilities: Str 13, Dex 15, Con -, Int 13, Wis 14, Cha 16
Skills: Climb +6, Escape Artist +7, Hide +7, Intuit Direction +3,
Jump +6, Listen +7, Move Silently +7, Search +6, Spot +7
Feats: Multiattack, Weapon Finesse (bite)
Climate/Terrain: Any land, aquatic, and underground
Organization: Solitary, gang (2-4), or pack (7-12)
Challenge Rating: 1
Treasure: None Standard
Alignment: Always chaotic evil
Advancement: 3 HD (Medium-size)
Ghouls speak the languages they spoke in life (usually Common).
Paralysis (Ex): Those hit by a ghoul’s bite or claw attack must
succeed at a Fortitude save (DC 14) or be paralyzed for 1d6+2 minutes.
Elves are immune to this paralysis.
Create Spawn (Su): In most cases, ghouls devour those they kill. From
time to time, however, the bodies of their humanoid victims lie where
they fell, to rise as ghouls themselves in 1d4 days. Casting
protection from evil on a body before the end of that time averts the
transformation. (The statistics above are for human ghouls and ghasts.
Ghouls and ghasts may vary depending on their original race or kind.)
Undead: Immune to mind-influencing effects, poison, sleep, paralysis,
stunning, and disease. Not subject to critical hits, subdual damage,
ability damage, energy drain, or death from massive damage.
I'd say, that elves and half-elves (due to elven blood - which gives
them the elf subtype) would be immune to ghoul paralysis.
However, as half-elves have the elf subtype, I'd also rule that
rangers who had elf as a favoured enemy could use that bonus on
half-elves :)
Kitsune, but I'm pretty mean
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Ralf van den Broek
>
> moot point as elves are no longer immune to ghoul paralysis.
>
Seems to me elves still are immune to ghoul paralysis:
3E MM p.97:
"Paralysis (Ex): Those hit by a ghoul's bite or claw attack must succeed
at a Fortitude save (DC 14) or be paralyzed for 1d6+2 minutes. Elves are
immune to this paralysis."
Elves aren't immune to ghast paralysis, however.
Anivair
>
>3E MM p.97:
>"Paralysis (Ex): Those hit by a ghoul's bite or claw attack must succeed
>at a Fortitude save (DC 14) or be paralyzed for 1d6+2 minutes. Elves are
>immune to this paralysis."
>
>Elves aren't immune to ghast paralysis, however.
I stand corrected.
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