info
Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss
The SECOND oldest roleplaying game
41 views
Skip to first unread message
kyonshi
Jan 19, 2024, 11:58:11 AMJan 19
to
We were joking around on Mastodon about posting slightly wrong
information to get people to interact, when I remembered this particular
gem from Peterson's site: Rules for the Game of DUNGEON (1974) is likely
the second roleplaying game ever published, and the author did so
without knowing of the existence of Dungeons and Dragons.
It was likely not someone coming up with the idea independently though,
a local gamer had played with Dave Arneson's group before and brought
the concept to Minneapolis. The author of DUNGEON Craig VanGrasstek
collected the variants into a ruleset and published them to share with
the wider world. But of course the existence of DnD brought all that to
an end.
I wonder if other variants were around at the time as well.
http://playingattheworld.blogspot.com/2012/08/rules-to-game-of-dungeon-1974.html
and here is a copy of the rules as pdf
http://playingattheworld.blogspot.com/2014/08/1974-dungeon-variant-now-for-download.html
Does anyone have some more information about that old Minneapolis scene?
information to get people to interact, when I remembered this particular
gem from Peterson's site: Rules for the Game of DUNGEON (1974) is likely
the second roleplaying game ever published, and the author did so
without knowing of the existence of Dungeons and Dragons.
It was likely not someone coming up with the idea independently though,
a local gamer had played with Dave Arneson's group before and brought
the concept to Minneapolis. The author of DUNGEON Craig VanGrasstek
collected the variants into a ruleset and published them to share with
the wider world. But of course the existence of DnD brought all that to
an end.
I wonder if other variants were around at the time as well.
http://playingattheworld.blogspot.com/2012/08/rules-to-game-of-dungeon-1974.html
and here is a copy of the rules as pdf
http://playingattheworld.blogspot.com/2014/08/1974-dungeon-variant-now-for-download.html
Does anyone have some more information about that old Minneapolis scene?
kyonshi
Jan 19, 2024, 1:29:16 PMJan 19
to
On 1/19/2024 5:58 PM, kyonshi wrote:
>
> and here is a copy of the rules as pdf
>
> http://playingattheworld.blogspot.com/2014/08/1974-dungeon-variant-now-for-download.html
Of course only after posting it I realized that the link to the pdf in
>
> and here is a copy of the rules as pdf
>
> http://playingattheworld.blogspot.com/2014/08/1974-dungeon-variant-now-for-download.html
the article doesn't work. Thank the Gods that Wayback Machine exists:
https://web.archive.org/web/20191222015731/http://www.unreason.com/files/RulesToTheGameOfDungeon.pdf
Ubiquitous
Feb 6, 2024, 8:28:54 AMFeb 6
to
gmk...@gmail.com wrote:
>We were joking around on Mastodon about posting slightly wrong
>information to get people to interact, when I remembered this particular
>gem from Peterson's site: Rules for the Game of DUNGEON (1974) is likely
>the second roleplaying game ever published, and the author did so
>without knowing of the existence of Dungeons and Dragons.
Was FANTASY ROLE PLAYING before or after D&D?
>We were joking around on Mastodon about posting slightly wrong
>information to get people to interact, when I remembered this particular
>gem from Peterson's site: Rules for the Game of DUNGEON (1974) is likely
>the second roleplaying game ever published, and the author did so
>without knowing of the existence of Dungeons and Dragons.
--
Let's go Brandon!
kyonshi
Feb 6, 2024, 9:26:01 AMFeb 6
to
Highest Level of All? (which despite it's name is an rpg and not a wargame)
Ubiquitous
Feb 6, 2024, 10:42:56 AMFeb 6
to
gmk...@gmail.com wrote:
> On 2/6/2024 10:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> gmk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> We were joking around on Mastodon about posting slightly wrong
>>> information to get people to interact, when I remembered this particular
>>> gem from Peterson's site: Rules for the Game of DUNGEON (1974) is likely
>>> the second roleplaying game ever published, and the author did so
>>> without knowing of the existence of Dungeons and Dragons.
>>
>> Was FANTASY ROLE PLAYING before or after D&D?
>
> On 2/6/2024 10:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> gmk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> We were joking around on Mastodon about posting slightly wrong
>>> information to get people to interact, when I remembered this particular
>>> gem from Peterson's site: Rules for the Game of DUNGEON (1974) is likely
>>> the second roleplaying game ever published, and the author did so
>>> without knowing of the existence of Dungeons and Dragons.
>>
>> Was FANTASY ROLE PLAYING before or after D&D?
>
>Doesn't tell me anything right now. Do you mean Fantasy Wargaming: The
>Highest Level of All? (which despite it's name is an rpg and not a wargame)
Yeah, that's the one! HORRIBLE game mechanics but very historically accurate.
>Highest Level of All? (which despite it's name is an rpg and not a wargame)
kyonshi
Feb 7, 2024, 5:34:12 AMFeb 7
to
I listened to a podcast episode about that one a while ago, I think
there was someone who did some academic work on this topic.
Vintage RPG Podcast Episode:
https://www.vintagerpg.com/2020/02/fantasy-wargaming/
There's also a free pdf of a book about it at Carnegie Mellon University
Press https://press.etc.cmu.edu/books/highest-level-all
In any case, this might have been more widespread because it was also
published in the Doubleday book club, so more people might have had
access to it that otherwise did not have contact with DnD. On the other
hand this book is DENSE. And one generally doesn't hear about many
people fondly remembering Fantasy Wargaming, so I guess it also wasn't
very successful as a system.
Zaghadka
Feb 7, 2024, 11:36:33 AMFeb 7
to
Imagine my disappointment.
--
Zag
No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten
kyonshi
Feb 11, 2024, 1:43:48 PMFeb 11
to
Spalls Hurgenson
Feb 11, 2024, 6:50:45 PMFeb 11
to
On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 10:36:30 -0600, Zaghadka <zagh...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>And here I thought it had something to do with "prostitution."
>Imagine my disappointment.
It could be both. If you pay enough, they'll do anything you want.
Well... almost. Even Minneapolis sex workers draw the line at playing
4th Edition. ;-)
wrote:
>And here I thought it had something to do with "prostitution."
>Imagine my disappointment.
Well... almost. Even Minneapolis sex workers draw the line at playing
4th Edition. ;-)
kyonshi
Feb 12, 2024, 3:39:27 AMFeb 12
to
Zaghadka
Feb 12, 2024, 10:54:21 AMFeb 12
to
Truth. I've tried. ;^)
0 new messages