[3e] Female names for phb classes
johnny panic
for females, you'd change the following titles, right?
Druid - Druidess
Sorceror - Sorceress
Abjurer - Abjuress
Conjurer - Conjuress
Enchanter - Enchantress
Are there any obvious ones I've missed, or probs with these?
Talen
<c_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The main problem is that there's no _real_ need for them. In all cases
bar Enchantress, the examples provided sound silly.
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Halzebier
wrote:
Monk - Nun
Regards,
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Hong Ooi
wrote:
>Just checking, doing some housekeeping with char creation...
>
>for females, you'd change the following titles, right?
No.
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Fox Lee
compose a decent followup message header to lure the rare and wild
"johnny panic" <c_...@hotmail.com> to our campsite. We have, however,
recorded its cry, as heard on Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:36:37 +1000, which is
as follows:
>Just checking, doing some housekeeping with char creation...
>
>for females, you'd change the following titles, right?
No. You woulnd't. Because it's stupid and there's no reason to, and
amongst other things, words likle "Paladiness" and "Rangeress" sound
stupid.
Cerberus AOD
Enchanter - Enchantress
I'm afraid that's it, because that's all the dictionary bothers with, not to
mention enchanter and enchantress just go back to sorcerer anyway. I
wouldn't change it even with that, though. It's not like the character calls
himself a druid, much less another character calling herself a druidess.
Druid as a term shouldn't exist in most worlds because it would have nothing
to be derived from anyway.
"johnny panic" <c_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Just checking, doing some housekeeping with char creation...
>
> for females, you'd change the following titles, right?
>
> Druid - Druidess
> Sorceror - Sorceress
> Abjurer - Abjuress
> Conjurer - Conjuress
> Enchanter - Enchantress
Blackguardess
Fighteress
Roguess
Monkess
Paladiness
Nun
Rangeress
Assassiness
Barbarianess
> Are there any obvious ones I've missed, or probs with these?
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much less chairperson.
Frank Emanuel
"Halzebier" <Halzebi...@gmx.de> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:36:37 +1000, "johnny panic" <c_...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >Are there any obvious ones I've missed, or probs with these?
>
> Monk - Nun
My experience with monks (1E) is that they are martial arts experts. Nuns
would fall more into a clerical order and therefore not really fit this
definition. Try Sisters and Brothers, or just plain monk as I would imagine
this is a sexist organization where women would only be admitted it they
pretended they were men - Crouching Tigerish.
Frank
Brandon Blackmoor
The only problem I see is that there's no good reason to be intentionally
sexist. This isn't 1950.
bblac...@blackgate.net
2003-03-02
Halzebier
<fema...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
[Monk - Nun]
>My experience with monks (1E) is that they are martial arts experts. Nuns
>would fall more into a clerical order and therefore not really fit this
>definition.
Even though I was joking rather than intentionally trolling, I'll
chalk you up as a catch.
0000000002 served!
Bring out the warrior nuns!
Regards,
Hal
Malachias Invictus
"Frank Emanuel" <fema...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> "Halzebier" <Halzebi...@gmx.de> wrote:
> > Monk - Nun
> My experience with monks (1E) is that they are martial arts experts. Nuns
> would fall more into a clerical order and therefore not really fit this
> definition.
Ever hear of "Legend of the Nun's Kung Fu"?
--
^v^v^Malachias Invictus^v^v^
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishment the scroll,
I am the Master of my fate:
I am the Captain of my soul.
from _Invictus_, by William Ernest Henley
E. Pluribus Unum
>
> It has been brought to my attention that "johnny panic"
> <c_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >for females, you'd change the following titles, right?
> >
> >Druid - Druidess
> >Sorceror - Sorceress
> >Abjurer - Abjuress
> >Conjurer - Conjuress
> >Enchanter - Enchantress
> >
> >Are there any obvious ones I've missed, or probs with these?
>
> The main problem is that there's no _real_ need for them. In all cases
> bar Enchantress, the examples provided sound silly.
"Sorceress" sounds silly to you? Hmm.
-EPU
Frank Emanuel
"Brandon Blackmoor" <bblac...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> > Are there any obvious ones I've missed, or probs with these?
>
> The only problem I see is that there's no good reason to be intentionally
> sexist. This isn't 1950.
I have a mixed group of players (women and men) and sometimes I find myself
being politically correct in designations (such as "the serving girl
approaches" instead of the traditional barwench designation). This is fine
if it fits your world, but there is no reason to assume a pre-industrial
society would not be sexist. It is not 2003 either.
Frank
Sir Bob
There's every reason to assume that even a heavily sexist society will be
careful of applying its bias to adventurer-types in a world where that robed
middle-aged woman who rode into town last night could very well be an
archmage. ;)
- Sir Bob.
Brandon Blackmoor
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>
>> sexist. This isn't 1950.
>
A wench is a wench and a fop is a fop, but how characters act in the game
has little bearing on what terms the players use for classes. "Abjuress"?
Gimme a break. It's just another lame gamer who's never touched a girl
foisting his adolescent "girls are aliens" neurosis onto his game under the
guise of "realism". It's pathetic.
bblac...@blackgate.net
2003-03-02
R W
Male - Savage, Warrior
Female - Warrior-Maiden, Sqaw
BARD
Male - Actor
Female - Actress
CLERIC or MONK
Male - Priest, Father, Bishop, Brother, Warrior-Monk, Holy Father
Female - Priestess, Mother, Sister, Nun, Holy-Mother
DRUID
Male - Druid, Nature-Priest, Brother, Witch
Female - Nature-Priestess, Witch, Sister,
FIGHTER or WARRIOR
Male - Warrior, Swordsman
Female - Amazon, Warrior-Maiden, Warrior-Princess
RANGER
Male - Hunter, Archer, Tracker
Female - Huntress
PALADIN or BLACKGUARD
Male - (Un)Holy-Warrior, Knight, Cavalier, Prince, Sir, Lordship
Female -(Un) Holy-Maiden, Lady, Princess, Ladyship
ROGUE
Male - Thief, Rascal, Scoundrel, Cutpurse, Cat-Burglar
Female - Trollop, Mistress
SORCERER or WIZARD
Male - Magnus, Warlock, Elementalist
Female - Enchantress, Sorceress, Mystic, Witch, Gypsy
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Halzebier
consolidated.net> wrote:
>Male - Druid, Nature-Priest, Brother, Witch
Shouldn't this be warlock rather than witch? Or witch-doctor, perhaps?
>Female - Huntress
But can you create related forms? Bounty huntress sounds kinda awkward
(to my non-native ears).
Regards,
Hal
gr...@arduin-delos.com
wrote:
>Just checking, doing some housekeeping with char creation...
In real life, do your firends use terms like poetess, writer-ess,
carpenter-ess, Christianess, atheistess, Caucasianess, mayoress,
doctoress, etc?
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Frank Emanuel
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Perhaps if female adventurers were in the majority or even in equality in
your campaign. In fact that would be preferable (equality) as the differing
perspectives brought by experience, gender, etc. make for a much more
pleasing gaming experience, IMHO. But as it stands in our campaign, one of
the most powerful mages is actually a woman (NPC head of Wizard University
in the only major city, Persime). People tend to behave differently in her
presence anyway. I have assumed a sort of caste society where amongst the
commoners there is little need for gender sensitivity which provides some
interesting situations for the two female PCs in our party. It is not as
likely that the woman serving you drinks in a bar is an arch-mage (although
stranger things have happened) and only the Paladins and LG priests would
really consider another designation than bar wench, nor would it be expected
. Unless of course they were trying to butter her up for information.
Frank
Brandon Blackmoor
>
> Bounty huntress sounds kinda awkward (to my non-native ears).
It is.
bblac...@blackgate.net
2003-03-02
gr...@arduin-delos.com
wrote:
/snip/
>Even though I was joking rather than intentionally trolling, I'll
>chalk you up as a catch.
>
>0000000002 served!
>
>Bring out the warrior nuns!
A dark horde charges over the hilltop. They spread their robes, are
lifted by the wind....
Glupinickname
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From: "Halzebier" <Halzebi...@gmx.de>
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Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [3e] Female names for phb classes
> On Sun, 2 Mar 2003 11:31:15 -0600, "R W" <Rawatson1spammenot@
> consolidated.net> wrote:
>
> >Male - Druid, Nature-Priest, Brother, Witch
>
> Shouldn't this be warlock rather than witch? Or witch-doctor, perhaps?
"Dr. Quin, the Witch-doctoress", 7.30 PM tonight.
>
> >Female - Huntress
>
> But can you create related forms? Bounty huntress sounds kinda awkward
> (to my non-native ears).
Ditto to my non-native ears.
--
Danijel Striga
glupin...@net.hr
"Nastavak u sledechem broju."
Sorcier
Gladiatrix!
(Seriously though, we don't change the names unless its egregious not
to.)
Sorcier
I'd not go that far as too many vocal people in RL hold such views.
Male and female.
Although I'd agree it's a pathetic world view. ;)
Educate, don't denigrate.
Sorcier
>
> It's not like the character calls
> himself a druid, much less another character calling herself a druidess.
> Druid as a term shouldn't exist in most worlds because it would have nothing
> to be derived from anyway.
In most campaign no English word would. ;)
Druid, in game, becomes what we translate these people's "religion"
to out of game.
They are not our historal Druids.
But they are their world's "Druids".
(Similar for Bard...)
And Druid, phonetically, is a vary simple root that could evolve
in almost any setting to mean almost anything. It's a playability
convienience to use it in the PHB sense.
Sorcier
>
> BARBARIAN
> Male - Savage, Warrior
> Female - Warrior-Maiden, Sqaw
Why not Amazon here also?
> BARD
> Male - Actor
> Female - Actress
Singer/Diva.
> DRUID
> Male - Druid, Nature-Priest, Brother, Witch
> Female - Nature-Priestess, Witch, Sister,
No Warlock?
> RANGER
> Male - Hunter, Archer, Tracker
> Female - Huntress
Hell, Amazon here too.
> PALADIN or BLACKGUARD
> Male - (Un)Holy-Warrior, Knight, Cavalier, Prince, Sir, Lordship
> Female -(Un) Holy-Maiden, Lady, Princess, Ladyship
Valkir. <g>
> ROGUE
> Male - Thief, Rascal, Scoundrel, Cutpurse, Cat-Burglar
> Female - Trollop, Mistress
Tart.
Hussy.
Tomboy.
Sorcier
>
> On Sun, 2 Mar 2003 11:31:15 -0600, "R W" <Rawatson1spammenot@
> consolidated.net> wrote:
>
> >Male - Druid, Nature-Priest, Brother, Witch
>
> Shouldn't this be warlock rather than witch? Or witch-doctor, perhaps?
And Shaman/Elder should be on this style list somewhere...
> >Female - Huntress
>
> But can you create related forms? Bounty huntress sounds kinda awkward
> (to my non-native ears).
Paid Vigillante.
Concussed Dragon
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>
> "Frank Emanuel" <fema...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>> "Halzebier" <Halzebi...@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> > Monk - Nun
>
>> My experience with monks (1E) is that they are martial arts experts.
>> Nuns would fall more into a clerical order and therefore not really
>> fit this definition.
>
> Ever hear of "Legend of the Nun's Kung Fu"?
You refer, of course to the legendary Flying Nun? :)
http://www.yesterdayland.com/popopedia/shows/primetime/pt1035.php
Seriously though, the Monk archetype somehow always seemed somewhat _wrong_
in a western mythological setting...
Monk(chanting): "pie jesu domine dona eis requiem... HAI-YAAH!"
(flips out and lays opponents low in a righteous flurry of blows and kicks)
Monk(resumes chanting): "dona eis requiem..."
And an oriental setting, the misnamed monk class seems to pigeonhole all
unarmed fighters into spiritual/religious orders. Not all the martial
artists in eastern history or fantasy were Shaolin monks types, you know...
Sir Bob
<snip>
Not necessarily - perhaps the townsfolk only need to see *one* loudmouthed
innkeeper turned into a lemur before they wise up. ;)
- Sir Bob.
Jacob Frey
seems to have a certain ring to it. (or would it BARBIE?)
--
JJ
Heli Kaarina Kinnunen
>Halzebier wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 2 Mar 2003 11:31:15 -0600, "R W" <Rawatson1spammenot@
>> consolidated.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Male - Druid, Nature-Priest, Brother, Witch
>>
>> Shouldn't this be warlock rather than witch? Or witch-doctor, perhaps?
>
>And Shaman/Elder should be on this style list somewhere...
Allow me to do a bit of venting here (no, none of this ire is aimed at /you/,
of course)...
ANYONE WHO WRITES 'shamen' OR GOES FOR SOME KIND OF MANGLED FORM OF 'shawoman'
OR 'shawomen' NEEDS TO BE STRANGLED, KICKED AND BEATEN.
Thank you.
'Shaman' is derived from a Siberian language (which probably derived it
from some other language, too, in that funny way languages travel) and
it has nothing to do with English's 'man'/'woman' system. The original
is 'sāman'.
Thank you again.
Ahem. I feel a lot better already.
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>
> The only problem I see is that there's no good reason to be intentionally
> sexist. This isn't 1950.
Sexist? The opposition to feminine versions of words in the English
language is because sexism existed. It is not because the words themselves
are sexist. Many languages instill gender into many words, and this is
commonly extended to titles used to describe actual people. In a world
where we assume an equality of the sexes there is no reason to assume a term
like "sorceress" would be viewed as a pejoritive. It simply gives more
information.
Max Maloney
"Frank Emanuel" <fema...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> My experience with monks (1E) is that they are martial arts experts. Nuns
> would fall more into a clerical order and therefore not really fit this
> definition.
But Monk isn't an asian word anyway. Because Shaolin Masters were
philosophical/religious types who lived in rigorous seclusion, the analog in
the English language was "monk." There is no reason one could not use the
equivalent female term and have fighting nuns. It's kind of a neat use of
the word, I think.
Max Maloney
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> personally, I would go with BARBARIANETTE over BARBARIANESS because it
> seems to have a certain ring to it. (or would it BARBIE?)
And how about Assassinatrix?
Max Maloney
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> And an oriental setting, the misnamed monk class seems to pigeonhole all
> unarmed fighters into spiritual/religious orders. Not all the martial
> artists in eastern history or fantasy were Shaolin monks types, you
know...
D&D ones are however. The organizational part of the class is deeply
ingrained (eg, Lawful alignments only).
gr...@arduin-delos.com
Ninjiatrix? Ninjess? Ninjianette?
Christopher Adams
>> Nuns would fall more into a clerical order and therefore not really fit
>> this definition.
>
> But Monk isn't an asian word anyway. Because Shaolin Masters were
> philosophical/religious types who lived in rigorous seclusion, the
> analog in the English language was "monk." There is no reason one could
> not use the equivalent female term and have fighting nuns. It's kind of
> a neat use of the word, I think.
For what it's worth, in the literature of studies of religions and religious
institutions in Asia, the word "nun" *is* used for women who live the ascetic
lifestyle.
--
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SUTEKH Dysfunctions Officer, 2003
MARGE: Is there anything you can prescribe, Doctor?
HIBBERT: Fire! And lots of it!
MARGE: Oh, that's your cure for everything.
Brandon Blackmoor
> And how about Assassinatrix?
> Ninjiatrix? Ninjess? Ninjianette?
I suppose someone who uses such terms would be an "idiot" or an "idiotte".
Nah, just a plain old idiot.
bblac...@blackgate.net
2003-03-02
Frank Emanuel
> > Perhaps if female adventurers were in the majority or even in equality
in
> > your campaign.
>
> <snip>
>
> Not necessarily - perhaps the townsfolk only need to see *one* loudmouthed
> innkeeper turned into a lemur before they wise up. ;)
True. But when slavery and oppression abound it is less likely that gender
equality issues would even see the light of day. In fact we have amazon
cultures in our campaign which only really serve to make things worse. The
topic of bearded dwarven women also came up (we are 2E) and the discussion
was pretty lively. The party rode with a caravan of dwarves the other night
and finally the dwarf was amongst people of his own scent.
Frank
johnny panic
versions of class names is an attempt at descriptive richness. Just like
you might want a class to have race versions of class names, eg, call a
Dwarf Barbarian a 'Battlerager'...
The thing being 'foisted' is options - in case you haven't noticed, the
English language is inherently 'sexist' - we use different grammar and nouns
for describing males to females. In fact, reality is 'sexist', women and
men are discriminated against by nature, being given different physical
forms.
Mate, you are a strange one.
"Brandon Blackmoor" <bblac...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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gr...@arduin-delos.com
<bblac...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>> BARBARIANETTE over BARBARIANESS...
>> And how about Assassinatrix?
>> Ninjiatrix? Ninjess? Ninjianette?
>
>I suppose someone who uses such terms would be an "idiot" or an "idiotte".
>Nah, just a plain old idiot.
I thought that was established long ago. I thought the thread was well
into sarcasm mode. As in, drop the whole sexist idea of separate
words, let females be sorcerors etc just as they are doctors,
carpenters etc in real life -- not doctoresses, carpenteresses, etc.
johnny panic
But yeah, some females who have titles, I address differently. Try calling
a female army officer 'Sir' or a Private rank in the Signals corp
'Signalman'.
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johnny panic
> > And an oriental setting, the misnamed monk class seems to pigeonhole all
> > unarmed fighters into spiritual/religious orders. Not all the martial
> > artists in eastern history or fantasy were Shaolin monks types, you
> know...
<<snip>>
Probably worth noting that all the Shaolin Monks are not 'shaolin monk
types' - they all study Buddhism, but the martial arts training is optional.
[Sure you probably knew this, but thought I'd NB it anyhow :)]
Max Maloney
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> >> personally, I would go with BARBARIANETTE over BARBARIANESS because it
> >> seems to have a certain ring to it. (or would it BARBIE?)
On Sun, 2 Mar 2003 14:10:59 -0800, "Max Maloney"
<dorm...@msnospamsn.com> wrote:
> >And how about Assassinatrix?
<gr...@arduin-delos.com> wrote in message
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> Ninjiatrix? Ninjess? Ninjianette?
DEFINITELY Ninjianette. No contest.
Max Maloney
> > BARBARIANETTE over BARBARIANESS...
> > And how about Assassinatrix?
> > Ninjiatrix? Ninjess? Ninjianette?
>
> I suppose someone who uses such terms would be an "idiot" or an "idiotte".
> Nah, just a plain old idiot.
What's the term for someone who doesn't understand ironic humor?
Talen
<mona...@attbi.com> wrote:
>Talen wrote:
>>
>> It has been brought to my attention that "johnny panic"
>> <c_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >for females, you'd change the following titles, right?
>> >
>> >Druid - Druidess
>> >Sorceror - Sorceress
>> >Abjurer - Abjuress
>> >Conjurer - Conjuress
>> >Enchanter - Enchantress
>> >
>> >Are there any obvious ones I've missed, or probs with these?
>>
>> The main problem is that there's no _real_ need for them. In all cases
>> bar Enchantress, the examples provided sound silly.
>
>"Sorceress" sounds silly to you? Hmm.
It do, it do.
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<captainspud> And I make little cartoon animals maul each
other to death.
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R W
> <dorm...@msnospamsn.com> wrote:
>
> >"Jacob Frey" <jfr...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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> >> personally, I would go with BARBARIANETTE over BARBARIANESS because it
> >> seems to have a certain ring to it. (or would it BARBIE?)
> >
> >And how about Assassinatrix?
> >
>
> Ninjiatrix? Ninjess? Ninjianette?
She-nobi :)
>
>
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Chris Camfield
>Uhh what? Dude, reality check, giving players the options of female
>versions of class names is an attempt at descriptive richness.
Well, my opinion isn't as extreme as Brandon's, but I think it's lame and
pointless. Any thought given regarding female versions of character classes to
increase the "descriptive richness" of a character would be better spent
_actually describing the character_.
Chris
Fox Lee
compose a decent followup message header to lure the rare and wild
"johnny panic" <c_...@hotmail.com> to our campsite. We have, however,
recorded its cry, as heard on Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:12:52 +1000, which is
as follows:
>Uhh what? Dude, reality check, giving players the options of female
>versions of class names is an attempt at descriptive richness. Just like
>you might want a class to have race versions of class names, eg, call a
>Dwarf Barbarian a 'Battlerager'...
And they already have those options. They can call the classes
whatever they damn well please. Saying that a female of the class has
to use a female word for it is stupid.
>The thing being 'foisted' is options - in case you haven't noticed, the
>English language is inherently 'sexist' - we use different grammar and nouns
>for describing males to females.
Then better to fix our mistakes.
>In fact, reality is 'sexist', women and men are discriminated against by
>nature, being given different physical forms.
Not in this game. Aside of the fact that females are at absolutely no
physical advantage or disadvantage in comparison to males is proof
enough of that, but if you really want, consider how the presence of
magic must have completely changed the developmnt/evolution process in
such a world. In fact, considering that magic is a deal more effective
than physical fighting at higher levels, a gender that wanted to
dominate their counterparts would probably have developed a lower STR
than them, in order to develop a higher INT.
Fox Lee
compose a decent followup message header to lure the rare and wild
however, recorded its cry, as heard on Sun, 2 Mar 2003 15:39:24 -0800,
which is as follows:
>> I suppose someone who uses such terms would be an "idiot" or an "idiotte".
>> Nah, just a plain old idiot.
>
>What's the term for someone who doesn't understand ironic humor?
Male or female? ;p
CSR
johnny panic wrote in message
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>Just checking, doing some housekeeping with char creation...
>
>
>Druid - Druidess
>Sorceror - Sorceress
>Abjurer - Abjuress
>Conjurer - Conjuress
>Enchanter - Enchantress
>
>Are there any obvious ones I've missed, or probs with these?
>
>
And a rogue would be a roguess, a paladin a paladiness ?
Really, unless the gender would make some sort of operational difference,
just go with the name as is. If a character tells another character they
are a druid, it's pretty obvious by looking at them what gender they are...
puting it in their job title is superfluous. And if you get word that the
high arch druid is ticked and after your hide, really what difference does
it make if the high arch druid is male or female, you are still in trouble.
( On the other hand, I think the dropping of "actress" to call everyone
"actor" is silly. By and large you don't cast men for female parts and vice
versa, so gender does make a difference in that regard )
CSR
Max Maloney
message news:9bf56vc7cbp47g99k...@4ax.com...
> >Uhh what? Dude, reality check, giving players the options of female
> >versions of class names is an attempt at descriptive richness. Just like
> >you might want a class to have race versions of class names, eg, call a
> >Dwarf Barbarian a 'Battlerager'...
>
> And they already have those options. They can call the classes
> whatever they damn well please. Saying that a female of the class has
> to use a female word for it is stupid.
Nobody said that. You are being overly reactionary.
There is nothing inherently wrong with words have gender associations. Or
do you feel that Indo-European languages should be abolished?
johnny panic
> whatever they damn well please. Saying that a female of the class has
> to use a female word for it is stupid.
Nah, I'm not suggesting 'having to use' female versions, I'm having it as an
option and asked what people would use.
Redundant anyhow, have decided to go with 'titles' for characters, and not
using their class as a personal descriptor.
Gary Johnson
: Uhh what? Dude, reality check, giving players the options of female
: versions of class names is an attempt at descriptive richness.
Hi, Johnny. Thanks for clarifying your original intention: what you wrote
in the original post ("For females, you'd change the following titles,
right?") doesn't read to me (and presumably others, too) as "giving
options" but as mandating different official titles for characters based
on their gender.
: Just like you might want a class to have race versions of class names,
: eg, call a Dwarf Barbarian a 'Battlerager'...
This is conflating game system information (class name) with game setting
information (what characters call each other). IMO, it's not something you
should worry about: the characters don't call each other "tenth level
fighers" and "eight level sorcerer/rogue multiclasses", so there isn't
any need to have variants of the class names for use *by the characters*.
That's like a character stating "I have Strength 18" instead of "I am very
strong".
: The thing being 'foisted' is options - in case you haven't noticed, the
: English language is inherently 'sexist' - we use different grammar and
: nouns for describing males to females.
Thing is, we don't *have* to use modified versions of perfectly acceptable
gender-neutral nouns like "wizard" and "druid": when we do so, we're
(consciously or subconsciously) hearkening back to a period in our past
where either it was so unusual to have a woman doing that profession that
it was noteworthy (e.g. aviatrix) or a woman in that profession was of
lower social status than a man (e.g. actress). A lot of people don't find
any value in incorporating those historical resonances into their
role-playing games, which is why they're posting that it's a bad idea.
YMMV.
: In fact, reality is 'sexist', women and men are discriminated against by
: nature, being given different physical forms.
That's a fairly odd usage of discriminate, you know. Usually you
discriminate in favour of or against something: that is, there's a
hierarchy of worth. If nature is discriminating against men and women,
who or what is nature discriminating in favour of?
: Mate, you are a strange one.
Ob pop culture reference: We're a weird mob. :-)
Cheers,
Gary Johnson
--
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X-Men Campaign Resources: http://www.uq.net.au/~zzjohnsg/xmen/start.htm
Fantasy Campaign Setting: http://www.uq.net.au/~zzjohnsg/selentia.htm
Sorcier
>
> ANYONE WHO WRITES 'shamen' OR GOES FOR SOME KIND OF MANGLED FORM OF 'shawoman'
> OR 'shawomen' NEEDS TO BE STRANGLED, KICKED AND BEATEN.
Well, we did once, in a supers game, have a covert ops teams dedicated
to
restoring Reza Palavi <sp?> to power.
They were known as the Shah-Men.
(One was female though... )
johnny panic
the way through. I realised when I saw the original wording that it does
imply the female names would be used as matter-of-course, so it's really all
my-bad. I was very surprised at how vociferous the reaction was though...
> This is conflating game system information (class name) with game setting
> information (what characters call each other). IMO, it's not something you
> should worry about: the characters don't call each other "tenth level
> fighers" and "eight level sorcerer/rogue multiclasses", so there isn't
> any need to have variants of the class names for use *by the characters*.
> That's like a character stating "I have Strength 18" instead of "I am very
> strong".
Yep yep. As the 'roundup' post stated, I'm ditching the idea of using the
class levels the character as a descriptor, and instead going with an
optional title.
> : The thing being 'foisted' is options - in case you haven't noticed, the
> : English language is inherently 'sexist' - we use different grammar and
> : nouns for describing males to females.
>
> Thing is, we don't *have* to use modified versions of perfectly acceptable
> gender-neutral nouns like "wizard" and "druid": when we do so, we're
> (consciously or subconsciously) hearkening back to a period in our past
> where either it was so unusual to have a woman doing that profession that
> it was noteworthy (e.g. aviatrix) or a woman in that profession was of
> lower social status than a man (e.g. actress). A lot of people don't find
> any value in incorporating those historical resonances into their
> role-playing games, which is why they're posting that it's a bad idea.
> YMMV.
Hmmm. You know I've never really thought that the female versions were
inherently used as a indicator of a lower-status member of a profession.
But I can see the logic, I might even drop the female field name from the
database. Thanks :)
> : In fact, reality is 'sexist', women and men are discriminated against by
> : nature, being given different physical forms.
>
> That's a fairly odd usage of discriminate, you know. Usually you
> discriminate in favour of or against something: that is, there's a
> hierarchy of worth. If nature is discriminating against men and women,
> who or what is nature discriminating in favour of?
Yep, probably a bad word. I'd kind of meant men and women relative to each
other, and more just as differences. Ie, men and women look majorly
different, debatedly may act slightly differently in given situations (can
of worms there), and have physical differences.
Sorcier
>
> > BARBARIANETTE over BARBARIANESS...
> > And how about Assassinatrix?
> > Ninjiatrix? Ninjess? Ninjianette?
>
> I suppose someone who uses such terms would be an "idiot" or an "idiotte".
> Nah, just a plain old idiot.
Or funny.
Someone who doesn't get it would be referred to as by such terms
as "Citizen Dick". *
I like "idiotte". I might start using that...
*Not that obscure refernce. Someone should be able to cite it.
Sorcier
Blackmoor - n. One who does not understand ironic humor.
- Websters New American Edition Version 3.14.
Sorcier
Female of course.
Men are pigs.
Sorcier
>
> > Ninjiatrix? Ninjess? Ninjianette?
>
> She-nobi :)
From Nagasakshe.
I dunno, I still remember Benny Hill asgueen about all this years ago...
Sir Bob
>
> "Sir Bob" <sir...@penguinking.com> wrote in message
> news:3e6274d6$1...@news3.accesscomm.ca...
> > > Perhaps if female adventurers were in the majority or even in equality
> in
> > > your campaign.
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Not necessarily - perhaps the townsfolk only need to see *one*
loudmouthed
> > innkeeper turned into a lemur before they wise up. ;)
>
> True. But when slavery and oppression abound it is less likely that gender
> equality issues would even see the light of day.
<snip>
I'm having difficulty coming up with a campaign world sufficiently
repressive that the issue never comes up that doesn't avoid the
perhaps-undesireable consequence of having no viable female PCs at all.
- Sir Bob.
Sorcier
>
> Not in this game. Aside of the fact that females are at absolutely no
> physical advantage or disadvantage in comparison to males
Females can't jump as far on average.
However, they can, on average, bring along more gear on their horses.
Sorcier
>
> And a rogue would be a roguess...
Nah, a rouge.
gr...@arduin-delos.com
wrote:
>johnny panic <c_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
/snip/
>This is conflating game system information (class name) with game setting
>information (what characters call each other).
Right. Some characters, in character, migit use those forms, but not
most gamers when out of character.
>Thing is, we don't *have* to use modified versions of perfectly acceptable
>gender-neutral nouns like "wizard" and "druid":
Right. 'We' being the out of character gamers, and most characters in
most game worlds, I'd bet.
>when we do so, we're
>(consciously or subconsciously) hearkening back to a period in our past
>where either it was so unusual to have a woman doing that profession that
>it was noteworthy (e.g. aviatrix) or a woman in that profession was of
>lower social status than a man (e.g. actress).
Actually it was a little more complicated. See url below.
> A lot of people don't find
>any value in incorporating those historical resonances into their
>role-playing games, which is why they're posting that it's a bad idea.
>YMMV.
Yes. For those who have the sort of historically-researched world
where it would matter, here's some info:
http://www.chicklit.com/words/words2.html
Frank Emanuel
>
>
> <snip>
>
> I'm having difficulty coming up with a campaign world sufficiently
> repressive that the issue never comes up that doesn't avoid the
> perhaps-undesireable consequence of having no viable female PCs at all.
Ah but adversity breeds the kind of strength needed for truly heroic
characters. At least from a fighter perspective. Think Mulan or Joan of Arc.
There are lots of examples in repressive societies. Also different races
will deal with this question differently. Elves in our world are not sexist,
while humans tend to be so. Having such variances allows for the exploration
of many different possibilities.
Frank
Talen
Chris Camfield
>Hey, thanks for the polite and intelligent reply, some very good points all
>the way through. I realised when I saw the original wording that it does
>imply the female names would be used as matter-of-course, so it's really all
>my-bad. I was very surprised at how vociferous the reaction was though...
Well, to put my reaction in some context, I have seem some vicious and downright
stupid flamewars regarding sexual dimorphism in D&D and other games. ("Female
characters should have less strength!" "No, they shouldn't!") I don't remember
if those arguments were here or on rpg.net but for me the ground is already
saturated with oil; your post was like dropping a match. :-)
(I exaggerate slightly.)
Chris
Jeff Heikkinen
> Uhh what? Dude, reality check, giving players the options of female
> versions of class names is an attempt at descriptive richness.
----------
So what are the *male*-specific names you propose in the name of
"descriptive richness"? You *did* realize that there is nothing, and I
mean absolutly nothing, gender-specific about any of the terms you want
female versions of, right?
Halzebier
wrote:
>But yeah, some females who have titles, I address differently. Try calling
>a female army officer 'Sir' or a Private rank in the Signals corp
>'Signalman'.
Just curious...how do you address them? Ma'am?
Regards,
Ahl
Michael Scott Brown
I can't believe that this thread has gone on so long without the *obvious*
feminization of the Ranger class:
<drumroll>
RANGERETTES!!!!
-Michael, who should, some day, apologize.
johnny panic
calling
> >a female army officer 'Sir' or a Private rank in the Signals corp
> >'Signalman'.
>
> Just curious...how do you address them? Ma'am?
If they outrank you, 'Maam'. And for sigs, it's Signalman / Signalwoman
(though in practice always just 'sig').
ka...@ecn.ab.ca
<ta...@spamspamspamspam.iinet.net.au> wrote:
>It has been brought to my attention that "johnny panic"
><c_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Just checking, doing some housekeeping with char creation...
>>
>>for females, you'd change the following titles, right?
>>
>>Druid - Druidess
>>Sorceror - Sorceress
>>Abjurer - Abjuress
>>Conjurer - Conjuress
>>Enchanter - Enchantress
>>
>>Are there any obvious ones I've missed, or probs with these?
>
>The main problem is that there's no _real_ need for them. In all cases
>bar Enchantress, the examples provided sound silly.
Sorceress is fine as well, but for the rest I agree.
ka...@ecn.ab.ca
wrote:
>And an oriental setting, the misnamed monk class seems to pigeonhole all
>unarmed fighters into spiritual/religious orders. Not all the martial
>artists in eastern history or fantasy were Shaolin monks types, you know...
Aye. Some were taoists.
ka...@ecn.ab.ca
wrote:
Heh.
I'm reminded of something my half-orc once said.
"I don't like dwarves. They're all bigots."
ka...@ecn.ab.ca
wrote:
>personally, I would go with BARBARIANETTE over BARBARIANESS because it
>seems to have a certain ring to it. (or would it BARBIE?)
Barbarella.
ka...@ecn.ab.ca
<bblac...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>> Are there any obvious ones I've missed, or probs with these?
>
>The only problem I see is that there's no good reason to be intentionally
>sexist. This isn't 1950.
And yet we still have terms such as waitress and hostess.
Or maybe that's just Alberta. The province is known to be... er...
"socially conservative." (Or "desperately clinging to the past," if
you're feeling less than polite.)
JB
>
> "Sir Bob" <sir...@penguinking.com> wrote in message
> news:3e62...@news3.accesscomm.ca...
> >
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > I'm having difficulty coming up with a campaign world sufficiently
> > repressive that the issue never comes up that doesn't avoid the
> > perhaps-undesireable consequence of having no viable female PCs at all.
>
> Ah but adversity breeds the kind of strength needed for truly heroic
> characters. At least from a fighter perspective. Think Mulan or Joan of
Arc.
Joan of Arc?! Heroic?! she was a schizophrenic who had as one of her close
companions the most prolific pyschosexual serial killer of all time. Saved
from the contempt she deserves due to Christian propaganda.
--
JB - expanding the religion threads.
Hong Ooi
>
>Joan of Arc?! WANGER?! WANGER was a schizoWANGER who WANGER as one of her WANGER
>companions the WANGER prolific WANGERsexual serial WANGER of all time. Saved
>WANGER the WANGER she deserves due to WANGER propaganda.
Oh, damn.
--
Hong Ooi | "If you don't appreciate it,
ho...@zipworld.com.au | ignore me"
http://www.zipworld.com.au/~hong/dnd/ | -- WS
Sydney, Australia |
JB
"Hong Ooi" <ho...@zipworld.com.au> wrote in message
news:mnk66vo8m9s3j42t3...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:36:32 -0000, "JB" <JB...@talk21.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Joan of Arc?! WANGER?! WANGER was a schizoWANGER who WANGER as one of her
WANGER
> >companions the WANGER prolific WANGERsexual serial WANGER of all time.
Saved
> >WANGER the WANGER she deserves due to WANGER propaganda.
>
> Oh, damn.
What's a wanger?
Hong Ooi
It's the male version of wangress.
JB
> On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:10:11 -0000, "JB" <JB...@talk21.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Hong Ooi" <ho...@zipworld.com.au> wrote in message
> >news:mnk66vo8m9s3j42t3...@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:36:32 -0000, "JB" <JB...@talk21.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Joan of Arc?! WANGER?! WANGER was a schizoWANGER who WANGER as one of
her
> >WANGER
> >> >companions the WANGER prolific WANGERsexual serial WANGER of all time.
> >Saved
> >> >WANGER the WANGER she deserves due to WANGER propaganda.
> >>
> >> Oh, damn.
> >
> >What's a wanger?
> >
>
> It's the male version of wangress.
Whats a wangress?
Fox Lee
compose a decent followup message header to lure the rare and wild
"Max Maloney" <dorm...@msnospamsn.com> to our campsite. We have,
which is as follows:
>"Fox Lee" <fox...@dodo.arespamblocksreallynecessary?.com.au> wrote in
>message news:9bf56vc7cbp47g99k...@4ax.com...
>> >Uhh what? Dude, reality check, giving players the options of female
>> >versions of class names is an attempt at descriptive richness. Just like
>> >you might want a class to have race versions of class names, eg, call a
>> >Dwarf Barbarian a 'Battlerager'...
>>
>> And they already have those options. They can call the classes
>> whatever they damn well please. Saying that a female of the class has
>> to use a female word for it is stupid.
>
>Nobody said that. You are being overly reactionary.
They essentially did. What's the point of the thread, otherwise?
>There is nothing inherently wrong with words have gender associations. Or
>do you feel that Indo-European languages should be abolished?
I consider them mistakes in that I'd like it better if they weren't
there. I don't think there's any need for them.
Fox Lee
compose a decent followup message header to lure the rare and wild
recorded its cry, as heard on Sun, 02 Mar 2003 23:20:20 -0500, which
is as follows:
I presume you're referring to the weight differences? Is it actually
significant enough to affect the jumping average?
Fox Lee
compose a decent followup message header to lure the rare and wild
recorded its cry, as heard on Sun, 02 Mar 2003 23:16:40 -0500, which
is as follows:
>> >What's the term for someone who doesn't understand ironic humor?
>>
>> Male or female? ;p
>
>Female of course.
>Men are pigs.
Oh, okay. "Sow", then :p
Fox Lee
compose a decent followup message header to lure the rare and wild
its cry, as heard on Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:41:36 GMT, which is as
follows:
>Really, unless the gender would make some sort of operational difference,
>just go with the name as is. If a character tells another character they
>are a druid, it's pretty obvious by looking at them what gender they are...
>puting it in their job title is superfluous. And if you get word that the
>high arch druid is ticked and after your hide, really what difference does
>it make if the high arch druid is male or female, you are still in trouble.
>( On the other hand, I think the dropping of "actress" to call everyone
>"actor" is silly. By and large you don't cast men for female parts and vice
>versa, so gender does make a difference in that regard )
But if the person is in a filem, looking at them usually makes it
pretty obvious what gender they are. I don't get your logic ^^; OTOH,
there's also the consideration that a great many voice-actors play
cross-gender parts.
Hong Ooi
>
>"Hong Ooi" <ho...@zipworld.com.au> wrote in message
>news:s6m66vshr5d1enm2n...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:10:11 -0000, "JB" <JB...@talk21.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Hong Ooi" <ho...@zipworld.com.au> wrote in message
>> >news:mnk66vo8m9s3j42t3...@4ax.com...
>> >> On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:36:32 -0000, "JB" <JB...@talk21.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Joan of Arc?! WANGER?! WANGER was a schizoWANGER who WANGER as one of
>her
>> >WANGER
>> >> >companions the WANGER prolific WANGERsexual serial WANGER of all time.
>> >Saved
>> >> >WANGER the WANGER she deserves due to WANGER propaganda.
>> >>
>> >> Oh, damn.
>> >
>> >What's a wanger?
>> >
>>
>> It's the male version of wangress.
>
>Whats a wangress?
>
It's that thing you have attached to your butt that waves you around in the
air now and then.
James Quick
"JB" <JB...@talk21.com> wrote:
> > >What's a wanger?
> > >
> >
> > It's the male version of wangress.
>
> Whats a wangress?
The female version of a wanger. Duh!
--
James Quick
jamesqu...@hotmail.com
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing
the world he didn't exist. -- Roger Kint
<http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2000/06/14/quoting.html>
Arivne
>
<snip>
>
> In real life, do your firends use terms like poetess, writer-ess,
> carpenter-ess, Christianess, atheistess, Caucasianess, mayoress,
> doctoress, etc?
For most of them, no. However:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=poetess
Poetess: 29,800 Google hits.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=mayoress
Mayoress: 10,600 Google hits.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=poetess
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=mayoress
And they're both in the dictionary.
Arivne
Cerberus AOD
"johnny panic" <c_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3e628ff4$0$9537$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
> Uhh what? Dude, reality check, giving players the options of female
> versions of class names is an attempt at descriptive richness.
You're missing something, here.
You put Sor3/Abj4 on the character sheet. What the character calls him or
herself in-game has little or no bearing on it, making these name changes
pointless.
-Cerbie
Frank Emanuel
"JB" <JB...@talk21.com> wrote in message
news:3e634d0a$0$5369$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com...
> > > I'm having difficulty coming up with a campaign world sufficiently
> > > repressive that the issue never comes up that doesn't avoid the
> > > perhaps-undesireable consequence of having no viable female PCs at
all.
> >
> > Ah but adversity breeds the kind of strength needed for truly heroic
> > characters. At least from a fighter perspective. Think Mulan or Joan of
> Arc.
>
> Joan of Arc?! Heroic?! she was a schizophrenic who had as one of her close
> companions the most prolific pyschosexual serial killer of all time. Saved
> from the contempt she deserves due to Christian propaganda.
Circumstances are irrelevant in this context JB. It is the fact that she did
what she did at all. In her culture a noble woman, as a last resort, would
defend her land. But Joan was no noble woman. Get over the Christian bashing
thing, that belongs in the other thread.
Frank
JB
S'all right Frank I was joking but in seriousness there are better examples
because Joan has that big crazy thing hanging over her head. Bodicea, for
example, was what you might call a result of male domineering behaviour. She
is rightly held up as a hero of resistance. The *legend* of JoA, I suppose,
would fit the bill.
> Get over the Christian bashing
> thing, that belongs in the other thread.
Again, a joke. It was supposed to be obvious from the sig but <bows> my
apologies.
Sir Bob
>
> "Sir Bob" <sir...@penguinking.com> wrote in message
> news:3e62...@news3.accesscomm.ca...
> >
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > repressive that the issue never comes up that doesn't avoid the
> > perhaps-undesireable consequence of having no viable female PCs at all.
>
> Ah but adversity breeds the kind of strength needed for truly heroic
> characters. At least from a fighter perspective. Think Mulan or Joan of
Arc.
> will deal with this question differently. Elves in our world are not
sexist,
> while humans tend to be so. Having such variances allows for the
exploration
> of many different possibilities.
Then I don't think your campaign world *is* repressive enough that the
classic "innkeeper makes a huge issue about women who travel without male
escort, she turns out to be an archmage, and *bang* he's a lemur" scenario
would never come up. =P
- Sir Bob.
Max Maloney
compose a decent followup message header to lure the rare and wild
Sorcier <sNoEr...@cavtel.net> to our campsite. We have, however,
recorded its cry, as heard on Sun, 02 Mar 2003 23:20:20 -0500, which
is as follows:
> >However, they can, on average, bring along more gear on their horses.
"Fox Lee" <fox...@dodo.arespamblocksreallynecessary?.com.au> wrote in
message news:6an66vsl33v62fvcq...@4ax.com...
> I presume you're referring to the weight differences? Is it actually
> significant enough to affect the jumping average?
Jump distance is based on height in D20.
Frank Emanuel
> > Ah but adversity breeds the kind of strength needed for truly heroic
> > characters. At least from a fighter perspective. Think Mulan or Joan of
> Arc.
> > There are lots of examples in repressive societies. Also different races
> > will deal with this question differently. Elves in our world are not
> sexist,
> > while humans tend to be so. Having such variances allows for the
> exploration
> > of many different possibilities.
>
> Then I don't think your campaign world *is* repressive enough that the
> classic "innkeeper makes a huge issue about women who travel without male
> escort, she turns out to be an archmage, and *bang* he's a lemur" scenario
> would never come up. =P
The only time one of the female PCs was alone, Amazon Fighter/Druid, an
innkeep did try to take advantage of her - the party walked in on her
intimidating him with a whip. That is how the party met her actually. Since
then they have pretty much stuck together. The other woman (mage) was with
the main group through unexplored chance encounters. I think she has a thing
for the 1/2 elf cleric and she is elf herself so she wouldn't really think
anything of petty human incidents.
I love adding richness like this to the campaign world. For me politics and
role-playing are the best. But my party seems to enjoy combat so we try for
at least one major conflict a game - if the dwarf weren't so hot headed
there would be more alternative solutions as well, but it is nice in
character fun.
Frank
CSR
ka...@ecn.ab.ca wrote in message
<4k966vg8j52bfkegl...@4ax.com>...
I dunno. I don't eat out that much but most of the time they introduce
themselves as "your server" rather than waiter/waitress. Makes a bit more
sense actually, since you want them to serve your food for you, not wait for
you.
Course I live in pinko Edmonton ;-)
CSR
Glupinickname
> news:esB8a.921$6z.1...@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
> Joan of Arc?! Heroic?! she was a schizophrenic who had as one of her close
> companions the most prolific pyschosexual serial killer of all time. Saved
> from the contempt she deserves due to Christian propaganda.
Try Caterina Sforza then. She's cool; and by cool, I mean totally sweet:
http://www.womenwholead.org/caterina_sforza.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/9329/woman49.html
http://59.1911encyclopedia.org/S/SF/SFORZA_CATERINA.htm
I love her with all of my body. :-D
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Tarrax Ironwolf
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> "Jacob Frey" <jfr...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:3E6278B0...@rochester.rr.com...
> > personally, I would go with BARBARIANETTE over BARBARIANESS because it
> > seems to have a certain ring to it. (or would it BARBIE?)
>
>
Silly Assassin trix are for kids!
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>> >> I suppose someone who uses such terms would be an "idiot" or an "idiotte".
>> >> Nah, just a plain old idiot.
>> >
>> >What's the term for someone who doesn't understand ironic humor?
>>
>> Male or female? ;p
>
>Female of course.
>Men are pigs.
Boor and booress.
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Serok
> Monk - Nun
nun wouldnt work because nun is a female version of the western monk...the
quiet godly type...where as the dnd monk is based on eastern monks IE
shaolin monks and so on and so forth...so a female...would still be a
monk...unless you want to call her a monkess? or maybe not....
good day...
serok
Rupert Boleyn
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>> >But yeah, some females who have titles, I address differently. Try
>calling
>> >a female army officer 'Sir' or a Private rank in the Signals corp
>> >'Signalman'.
>>
>> Just curious...how do you address them? Ma'am?
>
>If they outrank you, 'Maam'. And for sigs, it's Signalman / Signalwoman
>(though in practice always just 'sig').
For us it was "sig" in general use (of course), but "Signaler" in
formal speech. It got round the issue nicely.
Now, what did/do you call a female "rifleman"?
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>>Just checking, doing some housekeeping with char creation...
>>
>>for females, you'd change the following titles, right?
>No. You woulnd't. Because it's stupid and there's no reason to, and
>amongst other things, words likle "Paladiness" and "Rangeress" sound
>stupid.
Well, they're both really just subclasses of "Fightress".
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