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Taco Heuts

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Dec 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/22/99
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I've been wondering, how many HD has a mage got? A mage only gets 1d4HP per
level with a plus of max. 2 for high CON, I know this. But how should you
count his HD. The reason I'm asking this is that I'm making an evil NPC mage
and am wondering about how much HD he has (when calculating XP you start
with HD). Should each level count as half a HD?How about with high CON
bonus?Should the plus on HP count as #HD+2 or be used to give the mage
normal HD per level? Hoping for your ways of calculating XP's...

See ya...

Alfred Hailey

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Dec 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/22/99
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A classed character (of a standard race, anyway), has 1 HD per character
level. The type of die doesn't matter, and neither do con bonuses for
this measurement.

If you want to, you could consider then a HD+ individual if they have a
con bonus, but that would be all - they don't gain extra HD for having
the con bonus.

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Steven James (Silverblade)

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Dec 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/23/99
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Nope a HD=a level! :)
the +2 Hp/level counts as a special ability for +1 HD, however, since a
mage's hp are below normal (d8 for hit dice for beasties), I'd ignore that.
bonus due to lack of hp.
With mages, remeber there's bonuses for high intelligence, missile atatcks,
single attacks doing more than 40 hp, possible invisibility,m deathattacks
and so on.
A mage who's got Improved Invisility and Fly, Fireball, Protection from
Normal Missiles can waste a party! Ergo he's worth and extra 7 HD easily!
:)

Taco Heuts <thund...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I've been wondering, how many HD has a mage got? A mage only gets 1d4HP
per
> level with a plus of max. 2 for high CON, I know this. But how should you
> count his HD. The reason I'm asking this is that I'm making an evil NPC
mage
> and am wondering about how much HD he has (when calculating XP you start
> with HD). Should each level count as half a HD?How about with high CON
> bonus?Should the plus on HP count as #HD+2 or be used to give the mage
> normal HD per level? Hoping for your ways of calculating XP's...
>

> See ya...
>
>

Denakhan the Arch-Mage

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Dec 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/23/99
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> A classed character (of a standard race, anyway), has 1 HD per character
> level. The type of die doesn't matter, and neither do con bonuses for
> this measurement.


Technically, it's 1 HD = 1 Level up to 'name level' (typically 9; but I
think its 10 for a wizard). After that, levels do NOT count towards HD.
So, a 10th level wizard has 10 HD, a 15th level wizard has 10 HD and a 30th
level wizard has 10 HD.

^_^

Denakhan the Arch-Mage


Smoke

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Dec 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/23/99
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>Technically, it's 1 HD = 1 Level up to 'name level' (typically 9; but I
>think its 10 for a wizard). After that, levels do NOT count towards HD.
>So, a 10th level wizard has 10 HD, a 15th level wizard has 10 HD and a 30th
>level wizard has 10 HD.

Who cares what HD the mage is, just find the biggest fighter and hide behind
him! :)
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Larry Mead

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Dec 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/23/99
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Taco Heuts <thund...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: I've been wondering, how many HD has a mage got? A mage only gets 1d4HP per

: level with a plus of max. 2 for high CON, I know this. But how should you
: count his HD. The reason I'm asking this is that I'm making an evil NPC mage

He gets one die per level; thus, at or below name level (11 in e1, 10 in
e2) level = number of hit dice.

: and am wondering about how much HD he has (when calculating XP you start


: with HD). Should each level count as half a HD?How about with high CON
: bonus?Should the plus on HP count as #HD+2 or be used to give the mage
: normal HD per level? Hoping for your ways of calculating XP's...

I use the method given in the DMG1 which includes a number of exps per hit
point of the creature/character. Just go by the level, and if the hit
points are well above average (because of a con bonus) add a few exps for
each hit point above average.

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Peter Seebach

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Dec 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/23/99
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In article <zRj84.70383$ri.3...@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com>,

Denakhan the Arch-Mage <denakhant...@home.com> wrote:
>Technically, it's 1 HD = 1 Level up to 'name level' (typically 9; but I
>think its 10 for a wizard). After that, levels do NOT count towards HD.
>So, a 10th level wizard has 10 HD, a 15th level wizard has 10 HD and a 30th
>level wizard has 10 HD.

No, HD==level, forever. Do you really think a 20th level wizard is worth the
same number of XP's a 10th level wizard is?

Just about everything is even *labeled* as "levels or hit dice", so they're
canonically equivalent.

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Rupert boleyn

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Dec 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/23/99
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On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:05:24 -0800, Alfred Hailey <aha...@direct.ca>
wrote:

>> I've been wondering, how many HD has a mage got? A mage only gets 1d4HP per
>> level with a plus of max. 2 for high CON, I know this. But how should you
>> count his HD. The reason I'm asking this is that I'm making an evil NPC mage

>> and am wondering about how much HD he has (when calculating XP you start
>> with HD). Should each level count as half a HD?How about with high CON
>> bonus?Should the plus on HP count as #HD+2 or be used to give the mage
>> normal HD per level? Hoping for your ways of calculating XP's...
>

>A classed character (of a standard race, anyway), has 1 HD per character
>level. The type of die doesn't matter, and neither do con bonuses for
>this measurement.
>

>If you want to, you could consider then a HD+ individual if they have a
>con bonus, but that would be all - they don't gain extra HD for having
>the con bonus.

However you should remember that there is a +1 HD bonus to XP if the
character/monster in question has more than 5 hits points per
HD/level. This is unlikely to matter with a mage, but could well be
important with a fighter (I'd be inclinded to give a +2 bonus for an
opponent with 10+ HP per die).

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AWL

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Dec 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/24/99
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Make him as a standard charactor, naturally. As far as assigning
experience, I'd count each XP level as a hit die, and also use some of the
modifiers from the DMG. You may think you're assigning him too high a
value, but an intelligent spellcasting NPC doesn't have to be a HP monster
tank to be a major challenge.
-Andrew

Taco Heuts <thund...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I've been wondering, how many HD has a mage got? A mage only gets 1d4HP
per
> level with a plus of max. 2 for high CON, I know this. But how should you
> count his HD. The reason I'm asking this is that I'm making an evil NPC
mage
> and am wondering about how much HD he has (when calculating XP you start
> with HD). Should each level count as half a HD?How about with high CON
> bonus?Should the plus on HP count as #HD+2 or be used to give the mage
> normal HD per level? Hoping for your ways of calculating XP's...
>
> See ya...
>
>

Chris Kern

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Dec 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/24/99
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On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:34:19 +0100, "Taco Heuts"
<thund...@hotmail.com> posted the following:

>I've been wondering, how many HD has a mage got?

A character's HD is equal to their level, regardless of how many hp
they get per level.

-Chris

Taco Heuts

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Dec 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/24/99
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Well I know now what to do with the mage but what if the mage is
dual/multi-classed? Like a level 3/9 human fighter/mage or level 3/4 elven
fighter/druid?

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ba...@digital-marketplace.net

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Dec 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/24/99
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Well duel class 3/9 fighter/mage would have 9 HD, though some certainly
did not like the change of class, gaining levels with no additional hit
points.

The Eleven 3/4 fighter/druid it gets a little more complicated, I would
say that C would be 3.5 HD

>
> See ya...

Jimmy Kerl

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Dec 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/25/99
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ba...@digital-marketplace.net wrote:

> The Eleven 3/4 fighter/druid it gets a little more complicated, I would
> say that C would be 3.5 HD

Id agree with this, but to simplify things one might just consider the
fighter level since fighter's d10/2 > druid's d8/2;

Or maybe use this to round up or down .5s :-)

Jimmy

Ameen Dausha

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Dec 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/25/99
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Or, since HD is (or is it now 'used') to be a d8, what I always did
for this was divide the character's HP by 8. But, IIRC there also used
to be a way for figuring the 'true' HD rating of a custom monster by
certain things (spell casting ability, etc). So, even though a mage is
only a d4 person, his spell casting.

Let's see, the average HP of a fighter (no bonuses) would be 5.5 per
level, 2 5 for a mage. So, a ninth level mage would have had 22.5 hp,
and a third level Fighter would have 16.5. I would hate to be that
duel-class mage. :-)

aleph

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Dec 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/25/99
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Taco Heuts wrote:
>Well I know now what to do with the mage but what if the mage is
>dual/multi-classed? Like a level 3/9 human fighter/mage or level 3/4 elven
>fighter/druid?

A real historian could tell you where I read this, but it's in the rules
somewhere.

What you do is add half the lower class to the higher. I forget which way
to round, but I round down.

So your F3/MU9 is "10HD" and the F3/D4 is "5HD".
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Dec 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/26/99
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Taco Heuts <thund...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: Well I know now what to do with the mage but what if the mage is
: dual/multi-classed? Like a level 3/9 human fighter/mage or level 3/4 elven
: fighter/druid?

: See ya...

The multiclass in v1 or v2 is one level higher than his highest class.
Thus, the 3/4 multiclass is 5th level (4+1). In the absence of explicit
guidance, I would treat the 3/9 dual class as level 12.

DMGorgon

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