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Ubiquitous

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Sep 17, 2001, 3:15:41 PM9/17/01
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I'm creating a Drow mage character and think a spider would make the
PERFECT familiar for her. I could have sworn I saw specs for such a
familiar, but can't seem to track it down! Any ideas?

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Francis Martel

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Sep 17, 2001, 3:39:03 PM9/17/01
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Don't have books with me, but I think that would be in Forgotten Realms
Campaign Setting - Improved Familliar Feat or in Tome & Blood. I would
also check in Monsters Of Faerun...

Alternatively, I would simply take any spiders I like from the Monster
Manual or other book and apply Familiar stats from the PHB to it...

I did that with the Crawling Claw in MofF and it turns out to be a very
cool familliar...Kinda like "hand" in the Adam's Family...


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John Reyst

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Sep 17, 2001, 5:54:35 PM9/17/01
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> I did that with the Crawling Claw in MofF and it turns out to be a very
> cool familliar...Kinda like "hand" in the Adam's Family...

it's name was 'thing'


Alfred Hailey

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Sep 17, 2001, 6:20:30 PM9/17/01
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Ubiquitous wrote:
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> I'm creating a Drow mage character and think a spider would make the
> PERFECT familiar for her. I could have sworn I saw specs for such a
> familiar, but can't seem to track it down! Any ideas?

Check the 'vermin' section of the MM for Tiny Monstrous Spider.

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dilbert

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Sep 17, 2001, 8:58:13 PM9/17/01
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:15:41 GMT, web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous)
wrote:

>I'm creating a Drow mage character and think a spider would make the
>PERFECT familiar for her. I could have sworn I saw specs for such a
>familiar, but can't seem to track it down! Any ideas?

Maybe Tome and Blood? They had lots of different familiars. I'd
probably stat it out much like a viper (existing familiar) - it's only
major advantage is poison, just as the viper.

Ubiquitous

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Sep 17, 2001, 9:00:43 PM9/17/01
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In article <3BA6776D...@home.com>, neutroni...@home.com
wrote...

>Check the 'vermin' section of the MM for Tiny Monstrous Spider.

That's the first place I looked. I wondered if there was an official
listing showing the abilities granted to the master.

Spider climb?
Venomous bite?
Casting webs?

megarandom

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Sep 17, 2001, 9:07:31 PM9/17/01
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Many familiars don't give ANY inherent abilities to the master besides the
alertness feat.

Alex Case

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Sep 17, 2001, 10:08:51 PM9/17/01
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It's name is "Thing".

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chris7476

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Sep 17, 2001, 10:35:43 PM9/17/01
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Would you name it Charlotte?


Brad Wallace

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Sep 17, 2001, 10:47:51 PM9/17/01
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Ubiquitous wrote:

Under the Sorcerer listing in the FRCS

Familiar: Hairy spider
Special : Poisonous bite, darkvision

creature is listed in Monster Compendium: Monsters of Faerun. Hairy
Spider gains a + 1 Int., becomes a magical beast (not vermin) and loses
its immunity to mind influencing effects.

Dan Norder

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Sep 17, 2001, 11:03:26 PM9/17/01
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>>Check the 'vermin' section of the MM for Tiny Monstrous Spider.
>
>That's the first place I looked. I wondered if there was an official
>listing showing the abilities granted to the master.
>
>Spider climb?
>Venomous bite?
>Casting webs?

All of those would be unbalanced compared to the abilities from other basic
familiars, IMNSHO.

Alfred Hailey

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Sep 18, 2001, 12:58:10 AM9/18/01
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> >Spider climb?
> >Venomous bite?
> >Casting webs?
>
> All of those would be unbalanced compared to the abilities from other basic
> familiars, IMNSHO.

How about a small saving throw bonus (say, +2) against poison? Not at
all out of line...

Kaos

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Sep 18, 2001, 3:26:53 AM9/18/01
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Possibly. However, it could be run like a tiny snake; it offers no
special ability to the caster, but has spider climb and venemous bite
itself.

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Anivair

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Sep 18, 2001, 3:35:45 AM9/18/01
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>I'm creating a Drow mage character and think a spider would make the
>PERFECT familiar for her. I could have sworn I saw specs for such a
>familiar, but can't seem to track it down! Any ideas?

We actually have one in my game. It grants the caster +4 to poison saves (if
the spider is poisonous) or grants immunity to web (if it's a web spider).
Overpowered? Doubtful. I can live with immunity to one spell. Esspecially
since relilcs and rituals gave me glue.


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gilmae

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Sep 18, 2001, 7:01:16 AM9/18/01
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"Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote in message
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> Spider climb?
> Venomous bite?
> Casting webs?

Annoying clone storyline?

g.


Ubiquitous

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Sep 18, 2001, 8:09:15 AM9/18/01
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In article <20010917230326...@mb-cq.aol.com>, dann...@aol.com
wrote...

>>That's the first place I looked. I wondered if there was an official
>>listing showing the abilities granted to the master.
>>
>>Spider climb?
>>Venomous bite?
>>Casting webs?
>
>All of those would be unbalanced compared to the abilities from other basic
>familiars, IMNSHO.

If memory serves me right, snake familiars grant the master a venomous bite.

Blackstar Deittrich

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Sep 18, 2001, 8:41:28 AM9/18/01
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Hey hey hey, I still say they should have ditched Peter permanantly for
Ben....


Peter Meilinger

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Sep 18, 2001, 10:17:33 AM9/18/01
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gilmae <gilma...@mail.ru> wrote:
: "Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote in message
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: Annoying clone storyline?

I'd be willing to put up with an annoying clone if I could
have Mary Jane to console me.

Or better yet, Gwen Stacy.

Pete

megarandom

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Sep 18, 2001, 8:26:04 PM9/18/01
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The poisonous bite is an attribute of the familiar, not something
bestowed upon the master. In the table, things bestowed upon the master are
listed as "Master gains..." and such-like. The Raven "Speaks one language"
and the Snake(Tiny) has "Poisonous Bite".
Personally, I think it would be a bit ridiculous to think that the
human-type wizard or Sorcerer would have to try to bite someone...*grin* Now
an Orc Sorcerer...


dilbert

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Sep 18, 2001, 8:51:12 PM9/18/01
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 01:00:43 GMT, web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous)
wrote:

>In article <3BA6776D...@home.com>, neutroni...@home.com
>wrote...
>
>>Check the 'vermin' section of the MM for Tiny Monstrous Spider.
>
>That's the first place I looked. I wondered if there was an official
>listing showing the abilities granted to the master.
>
>Spider climb?
>Venomous bite?
>Casting webs?

Assuming the spider venom is as toxic as the viper venom, I'd say
"none of the above". The viper's master does not gain a poisonous
bite. Rather he gains the advantage of a familiar with a very
dangerous combat skill.

Any special ability would be no greater than those provided by other
familiars, so I could see no more than a +2 bonus to climb checks.

dilbert

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Sep 18, 2001, 8:52:13 PM9/18/01
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:09:15 GMT, web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous)
wrote:

>In article <20010917230326...@mb-cq.aol.com>, dann...@aol.com
>wrote...
>
>>>That's the first place I looked. I wondered if there was an official
>>>listing showing the abilities granted to the master.
>>>
>>>Spider climb?
>>>Venomous bite?
>>>Casting webs?
>>
>>All of those would be unbalanced compared to the abilities from other basic
>>familiars, IMNSHO.
>
>If memory serves me right, snake familiars grant the master a venomous bite.

Memory betrays you. IHTBIFOM and there is no menthion of "master" in
the viper's special ability. IT has a poisonous bite.

Ubiquitous

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Sep 19, 2001, 8:16:54 PM9/19/01
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In article <wCRp7.12320$w62.8...@news1.denver1.co.home.com>,
rand...@home.com wrote...

> Personally, I think it would be a bit ridiculous to think that the
>human-type wizard or Sorcerer would have to try to bite someone...*grin* Now
>an Orc Sorcerer...

Not as odd as the master gaining the skunk's special ability...

So why would anyone want a familiar that doesn't give you bonuses?

Chad Lubrecht

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Sep 19, 2001, 8:25:29 PM9/19/01
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2001 00:16:54 GMT, web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous)
wrote:

>In article <wCRp7.12320$w62.8...@news1.denver1.co.home.com>,
>rand...@home.com wrote...
>
>> Personally, I think it would be a bit ridiculous to think that the
>>human-type wizard or Sorcerer would have to try to bite someone...*grin* Now
>>an Orc Sorcerer...
>
>Not as odd as the master gaining the skunk's special ability...
>
>So why would anyone want a familiar that doesn't give you bonuses?

I found my bat familiar was quite usefull, as a scout, spy, watchdog,
etc...

Mike Shannon

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Sep 19, 2001, 8:58:52 PM9/19/01
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Yeah the game is all about getting more bonuses. Role-playing and being
clever aren't as important as having big stats.

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Ubiquitous

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Sep 19, 2001, 9:26:08 PM9/19/01
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In article <3ba7e74f.7219699@news>, hnei...@accessweb.com wrote...

>Assuming the spider venom is as toxic as the viper venom, I'd say
>"none of the above". The viper's master does not gain a poisonous
>bite. Rather he gains the advantage of a familiar with a very
>dangerous combat skill.

Actually, I don't recall the DC for their poison being all that
threatening, 13 at best.

Dan Norder

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Sep 19, 2001, 11:13:11 PM9/19/01
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>> >Spider climb?
>> >Venomous bite?
>> >Casting webs?
>>
>> All of those would be unbalanced compared to the abilities from other basic
>> familiars, IMNSHO.
>
>How about a small saving throw bonus (say, +2) against poison? Not at
>all out of line...

Sounds reasonable.

dilbert

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Sep 20, 2001, 6:40:05 PM9/20/01
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2001 01:26:08 GMT, web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous)
wrote:

>In article <3ba7e74f.7219699@news>, hnei...@accessweb.com wrote...
>
>>Assuming the spider venom is as toxic as the viper venom, I'd say
>>"none of the above". The viper's master does not gain a poisonous
>>bite. Rather he gains the advantage of a familiar with a very
>>dangerous combat skill.
>
>Actually, I don't recall the DC for their poison being all that
>threatening, 13 at best.

Compare this attack to a toad, a bat or an owl...

roll...@csdisco.com

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Aug 7, 2018, 12:50:37 AM8/7/18
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On Monday, September 17, 2001 at 2:15:41 PM UTC-5, Ubiquitous wrote:
> I'm creating a Drow mage character and think a spider would make the
> PERFECT familiar for her. I could have sworn I saw specs for such a
> familiar, but can't seem to track it down! Any ideas?
>
> --
> "I enjoy Spam. It's a meat that comes in a can. I have not tried
> the Internet kind, but I'm sure it's just as tasty as the original"

I agree, a spider would be perfect
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