Which is more powerful the wand of Orcus or the Ruby Rod of Asmodeus?
Silven
powerful. :) No I am not running a munchkin group, simply a very high
level very modified d20 modern group.
Bill Silvey
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> I'm thinking of having my players get both and find out which is more
> powerful. :) No I am not running a munchkin group, simply a very high
> level very modified d20 modern group.
That's like asking if getting riddled with 30mm or 20mm autocannon fire is
more painful. In the end, it doesn't matter.
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Wand. Hur hur hur.
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Harry
> I'm thinking of having my players get both and find out which is more
> powerful. :) No I am not running a munchkin group, simply a very high
> level very modified d20 modern group.
RRRuuuuubbbyy Roooooooddd!!!
I love 5th Element
Malafis Nathandem
> powerful. :) No I am not running a munchkin group, simply a very high
> level very modified d20 modern group.
Both suck if you ask me! The original Wand of Orcus had NO saving throw for
being hit by it and then you not only die, but your soul is annihilated! Now
the Wand has a DC Save of 25! Dispater's touch can turn you into iron with a
DC Save of 40 but Orcus' wand can be saved against by just about anyone of
decent level. The Wand should have a DC Save of 40.
The Rod of Asmodeus can be easily overcome by a thief who can take no damage
from reflex saves vs. those types of attacks.
Overall I am VERY disappointed with the way they put Orcus together as well
as most of the Demons Princes and Archdevils. I am sure that these critters
are considered epic level so how come they DO NOT HAVE ANY EPIC LEVEL
ABILITIES!!!
Rupert Boleyn
<demonh...@menzoberranzan.com> spake thusly into the wilderness:
>Overall I am VERY disappointed with the way they put Orcus together as well
>as most of the Demons Princes and Archdevils. I am sure that these critters
>are considered epic level so how come they DO NOT HAVE ANY EPIC LEVEL
>ABILITIES!!!
Because WotC has decided that you shouldn't have to buy non-core books
simply in order to use everything in other non-core books.
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Malafis Nathandem
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> On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 06:12:38 GMT, "Malafis Nathandem"
> <demonh...@menzoberranzan.com> spake thusly into the wilderness:
>
> >Overall I am VERY disappointed with the way they put Orcus together as
well
> >as most of the Demons Princes and Archdevils. I am sure that these
critters
> >are considered epic level so how come they DO NOT HAVE ANY EPIC LEVEL
> >ABILITIES!!!
>
> Because WotC has decided that you shouldn't have to buy non-core books
> simply in order to use everything in other non-core books.
>
Well that's just plain Stuuuuuupppppppiiiiiiiiddddddd!!!!!!!
I guess that explains why the Gods are so screwed up as well. I mean a god
is limited to 20th level in a class, but mortals, in theory, can be level
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 if they lived long enough.
1st Edition is starting to look pretty good about now :)))
Bradd W. Szonye
>> Because WotC has decided that you shouldn't have to buy non-core
>> books simply in order to use everything in other non-core books.
Malafis Nathandem <demonh...@menzoberranzan.com> wrote:
> Well that's just plain Stuuuuuupppppppiiiiiiiiddddddd!!!!!!!
You'd love Shadowrun, then. Many adventures refer to rules from
supplements like Man and Machine, Magic in the Shadows, Rigger 3, and
Corporate Download. Since those supplements are "semi-core," that
doesn't seem like a big deal at first. Unfortunately, you can't *get*
Rigger 3 or Corporate Download anywhere. The books aren't out of print,
but they're impossible to find.
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Sir Bob
"Malafis Nathandem" <demonh...@menzoberranzan.com> wrote in message
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> "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@.paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
> news:hdrtvu43pms7fd49f...@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 06:12:38 GMT, "Malafis Nathandem"
> > <demonh...@menzoberranzan.com> spake thusly into the wilderness:
> >
> > >Overall I am VERY disappointed with the way they put Orcus together as
> well
> > >as most of the Demons Princes and Archdevils. I am sure that these
> critters
> > >are considered epic level so how come they DO NOT HAVE ANY EPIC LEVEL
> > >ABILITIES!!!
> >
> > Because WotC has decided that you shouldn't have to buy non-core books
> > simply in order to use everything in other non-core books.
> >
>
> Well that's just plain Stuuuuuupppppppiiiiiiiiddddddd!!!!!!!
<snip>
Would you rather the [a certain company's name here] trick of having every
new supplement make explicit referrence to extensive game-mechanical content
from fifteen *other* supplements, so you have no idea what the hell the book
is talking about in places unless you go out and buy the other fifteen
books, too?
- Sir Bob.
Malafis Nathandem
every
> new supplement make explicit referrence to extensive game-mechanical
content
> from fifteen *other* supplements, so you have no idea what the hell the
book
> is talking about in places unless you go out and buy the other fifteen
> books, too?
>
> - Sir Bob.
>
I'm not sure what you mean?
Sir Bob
There are two ways you can go about it:
1) You publish Supplement A. It doesn't use rules from anything but the
core books. So it's missing all the "kewl stuff" from Supplements B, C, D,
E, and F, but you only need to know what's in the core books to know how to
use Supplement A.
2) You publish Supplement A. It uses lots and lots of rules from
Supplements B, C, D, E, and F. So it *has* all the "kewl stuff" from those
supplements, but you have no idea what 75% of Supplement A is talking about,
because the explanations of the rules it's referring to are in Supplements
B-F. So unless you buy those other five books as well, three-quarters of
the book you just bought is useless to you.
The former is WotC's current strategy. The latter is the strategy some
other publishers use. Having experienced both, many of us know which one
*we* prefer. ;)
- Sir Bob.
Malafis Nathandem
>
> There are two ways you can go about it:
>
> 1) You publish Supplement A. It doesn't use rules from anything but the
> core books. So it's missing all the "kewl stuff" from Supplements B, C,
D,
> E, and F, but you only need to know what's in the core books to know how
to
> use Supplement A.
>
> 2) You publish Supplement A. It uses lots and lots of rules from
> Supplements B, C, D, E, and F. So it *has* all the "kewl stuff" from
those
> supplements, but you have no idea what 75% of Supplement A is talking
about,
> because the explanations of the rules it's referring to are in Supplements
> B-F. So unless you buy those other five books as well, three-quarters of
> the book you just bought is useless to you.
>
> The former is WotC's current strategy. The latter is the strategy some
> other publishers use. Having experienced both, many of us know which one
> *we* prefer. ;)
>
> - Sir Bob.
>
>
system that makes sense. :)))
Rob Douglas
<sir...@penguinking.com> wrote:
Me - I am hoping for a web supplement to BoVD that "suggests" Divine
Ranks, abilities, and Epic feats and skills for the demon lords and arch
devils. I am working on my own list, but I know Monte Cook thought about
it (I rememeber seeing a Divine version of Asmodeus on this newsgroup
before BoVD was published, supposedly from the preview edition - guess
they cut that stuff....)
ROB
Shadow Wolf
You can build a god with more than 20 levels in a class -- they say so
several places in Deities and Demigods, and refer you to the Epic Level
Handbook for the necessary rules. However, they didn't want to make the ELH
required, so none of the _example_ gods have more than 20 levels.
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Sir Bob
Each supplement makes perfect sense from the standpoint of the core rules.
Why should Dieties & Demigods automatically assume that every campaign that
uses it will also be using the rules from the Epic-Level Handbook? They
*are* optional.
- Sir Bob.