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Tetsubo
Jun 10, 2016, 1:22:33 PM6/10/16
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Can Reincarnate be used to bring back an animal? How would it work?
Same size category, most likely same genus, small chance of something
weird? I wonder how well your average dog would feel about being brought
back as a monitor lizard or chimp...
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Same size category, most likely same genus, small chance of something
weird? I wonder how well your average dog would feel about being brought
back as a monitor lizard or chimp...
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Ralph Glatt
Jun 11, 2016, 11:31:34 AM6/11/16
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Tetsubo
Jun 11, 2016, 4:18:44 PM6/11/16
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is an ordinary animal). I was thinking more along the lines of pets or
steeds. Though a dead familiar (or animal companion) might count as an
ordinary animal once dead. Reverting back to type in death. As most
shapeshifters revert to their original form in death. They lose their
magical aspects in death. Hmmm...
Zaghadka
Jun 11, 2016, 5:06:02 PM6/11/16
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:22:34 -0400, in rec.games.frp.dnd, Tetsubo wrote:
> Can Reincarnate be used to bring back an animal? How would it work?
>Same size category, most likely same genus, small chance of something
>weird? I wonder how well your average dog would feel about being brought
>back as a monitor lizard or chimp...
Well, our ranger had a wolf animal companion that we reincarnated as a
> Can Reincarnate be used to bring back an animal? How would it work?
>Same size category, most likely same genus, small chance of something
>weird? I wonder how well your average dog would feel about being brought
>back as a monitor lizard or chimp...
dire wolf. In our Pathfinder campaign, there is no raising/res, only
reincarnation. Made for some interesting role-playing before we got the
"Miracle" spell to fix anyone who came back as a bugbear. We also keep a
lock of everyone's hair in the bag-of-holding.
So yeah, I think your guideline sounds reasonable. That's about how we
did it.
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Zag
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Ubiquitous
Jun 13, 2016, 5:54:53 AM6/13/16
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In article <njet0o$v8b$2...@dont-email.me>, tet...@comcast.net wrote:
>Can Reincarnate be used to bring back an animal? How would it work?
If memory serves, it only works on humanoids, so the point is moot.
>Can Reincarnate be used to bring back an animal? How would it work?
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Spalls Hurgenson
Jun 13, 2016, 9:35:55 AM6/13/16
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On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 05:54:46 -0500, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net>
wrote:
>In article <njet0o$v8b$2...@dont-email.me>, tet...@comcast.net wrote:
>
>>Can Reincarnate be used to bring back an animal? How would it work?
>
>If memory serves, it only works on humanoids, so the point is moot.
Well, let's see (flips through the various PHBs)....
It really depends on the edition.
1E and 2E are very vague on what can be reincarnated, referring to the
target as "person" and, in one case, as "the player character". 3E is
more generous; it allows a "creature" to be reincarnated. 4E is...
well, I didn't even bother looking because its 4E. 5E is the most
restrictive, allowing only "humanoids" to be reincarnated.
Personally, I'd rule that reincarnation works on animals as well as
humanoids (except in 5E). After all, if you can reincarnate /into/ a
"lesser" animal, then there's no reason that those same animals can't
be reincarnated themselves (I mean, what if a PC reincarnated as a fox
dies and gets reincarnated again?). Arguably, the DM could base it
less on the original form and more on the creature's intelligence;
ordinary "dumb" animals need not apply but anything INT 3 or above
gets a second chance...
The spell descriptions (so y'all can argue for yourselves)
Reincarnate (1E)
--------------------
Explanation/Description: Druids have the capability of bringing back
the dead in another body if death occurred no more than a week before
the casting of the spell. The person reincarnated will recall the
majority of his or her former life and form, but the class they have,
if ony, in their new incarnation might be different indeed. Abilities
and speech are likewise often changed. The table below gives the
reincarnation possibilities of this spell
(list deleted)
Any sort of player character can be reincarnated. If an elf, gnome or
human is indicated, the character must be created. When the corpse is
touched, the new incarnation will appear in the area within 1 to 6
turns. (Cf. sixth level magic-user spell reincarnation.)
Reincarnate (2E)
--------------------
With this spell, the priest can bring back a dead person In an other
body, if death occurred no more than one week before the
casting of the spell. Reincarnation does not require any saving throw,
system shock, or resurrection survival roll. The corpse is
touched, and a new incarnati on of the person appears in the area in
1d6 turns. The person reincarnated recalls the majority of his former
life and form, but the character class, if any, of the new incarnation
might be very different indeed. The new incarnation is determined on
the following table or by DM choice . If a player character race is
indicated, the character must be created. At the DM's option, certain
special (expensive) incenses can be used that may increase the chance
for a character to return as a specific
race or species. A wish spell can restore a reincarnated character to
its original form and status.
(list deleted)
If an unusual creature form is indicated, the DM can (at his option
only) use the guidelines for new player character races to
allow the character to earn experience and advance in levels, although
this may not be in the same class as before. If the reincarnated
character returns as a creature eligible to
be the same class as he was previously ( i.e., a human fighter returns
as an elf), the reincarnated character has half his previous
levels and hit points. If the character returns as a new character
class, his hit points are half his previous total, but he must begin
again at 1st level. If the character returns as a creature unable to
have a class, he has half the hit points and saving throws of his
previous incarnation
Reincarnation (3E)
----------------------
With this spell, you bring back a dead creature in another body,
provided death occurred no more than one week before the casting of
the spell and the subject’s soul is free and willing to return (see
Bringing Back the Dead, page 153). If the subject’s soul is not
willing to return, the spell does not work; therefore, subjects who
want to return receive no saving throw. Since the dead creature is
returning in a new body, all physical ills and afflictions are
repaired. The magic of the spell creates an entirely new young adult
body for the soul to inhabit from the natural elements at hand. This
process requires 1 hour to complete. When the body is ready, the
subject is reincarnated.
A reincarnated character recalls the majority of his former life and
form. He retains his Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma scores, as
well as any class abilities or skills he formerly possessed. His
class, base attack bonus, base save bonuses, and hit points are
unchanged. Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution scores depend partly
on his new body. First eliminate the character’s racial adjustments
(since he is no longer of his previous race) and then apply the
adjustments found below. The character’s level is reduced by 1. (If
the character was 1st level, his new Constitution score is reduced by
1.)
It’s quite possible for the change in the character’s ability scores
to make it difficult for him to pursue his previous character class.
If this happens, the character is well advised to become a multiclass
character.
The new incarnation is determined on the following table or by DM
choice.
(list deleted)
Some bodies may make it impossible for the reincarnated character to
use some of his class abilities. For example, a caster reincarnated as
a hawk can’t cast spells with somatic components because he doesn’t
have hands. The reincarnated character does gain any powers or
abilities associated with his new form, including forms of movement
and speeds, natural armor, natural attacks, etc. Refer to the Monster
Manual for exact figures. A humanoid reincarnated into an animal
body can speak the languages it formerly knew and is a magical beast.
A wish spell can restore a reincarnated character to his original
form.
Reincarnate (4E)
--------------------
fuck 4E :)
Reincarnate (5E)
--------------------
You touch a dead humanoid ar a piece of a dead humanoid. Provided that
the creature has been dead no longer than 10 days, the spell forms a
new adult body for it and then calls the soul to enter that body. If
the target's soul isn't free or willing to do so, the spell fails.
The magic fashions a new body for the creature to inhabit, which
likely causes the creature's race to change. The DM rolls a dl00 and
consults the following table to determine what form the creature takes
when restored to life, ar the DM chooses a form.
(list deleted)
The reincarnated creature recalls its former life and experiences. It
retains the capabilities it had in its original form, except it
exchanges its original race for the new one and changes its racial
traits accordingly.
--------------------
wrote:
>In article <njet0o$v8b$2...@dont-email.me>, tet...@comcast.net wrote:
>
>>Can Reincarnate be used to bring back an animal? How would it work?
>
>If memory serves, it only works on humanoids, so the point is moot.
It really depends on the edition.
1E and 2E are very vague on what can be reincarnated, referring to the
target as "person" and, in one case, as "the player character". 3E is
more generous; it allows a "creature" to be reincarnated. 4E is...
well, I didn't even bother looking because its 4E. 5E is the most
restrictive, allowing only "humanoids" to be reincarnated.
Personally, I'd rule that reincarnation works on animals as well as
humanoids (except in 5E). After all, if you can reincarnate /into/ a
"lesser" animal, then there's no reason that those same animals can't
be reincarnated themselves (I mean, what if a PC reincarnated as a fox
dies and gets reincarnated again?). Arguably, the DM could base it
less on the original form and more on the creature's intelligence;
ordinary "dumb" animals need not apply but anything INT 3 or above
gets a second chance...
The spell descriptions (so y'all can argue for yourselves)
Reincarnate (1E)
--------------------
Explanation/Description: Druids have the capability of bringing back
the dead in another body if death occurred no more than a week before
the casting of the spell. The person reincarnated will recall the
majority of his or her former life and form, but the class they have,
if ony, in their new incarnation might be different indeed. Abilities
and speech are likewise often changed. The table below gives the
reincarnation possibilities of this spell
(list deleted)
Any sort of player character can be reincarnated. If an elf, gnome or
human is indicated, the character must be created. When the corpse is
touched, the new incarnation will appear in the area within 1 to 6
turns. (Cf. sixth level magic-user spell reincarnation.)
Reincarnate (2E)
--------------------
With this spell, the priest can bring back a dead person In an other
body, if death occurred no more than one week before the
casting of the spell. Reincarnation does not require any saving throw,
system shock, or resurrection survival roll. The corpse is
touched, and a new incarnati on of the person appears in the area in
1d6 turns. The person reincarnated recalls the majority of his former
life and form, but the character class, if any, of the new incarnation
might be very different indeed. The new incarnation is determined on
the following table or by DM choice . If a player character race is
indicated, the character must be created. At the DM's option, certain
special (expensive) incenses can be used that may increase the chance
for a character to return as a specific
race or species. A wish spell can restore a reincarnated character to
its original form and status.
(list deleted)
If an unusual creature form is indicated, the DM can (at his option
only) use the guidelines for new player character races to
allow the character to earn experience and advance in levels, although
this may not be in the same class as before. If the reincarnated
character returns as a creature eligible to
be the same class as he was previously ( i.e., a human fighter returns
as an elf), the reincarnated character has half his previous
levels and hit points. If the character returns as a new character
class, his hit points are half his previous total, but he must begin
again at 1st level. If the character returns as a creature unable to
have a class, he has half the hit points and saving throws of his
previous incarnation
Reincarnation (3E)
----------------------
With this spell, you bring back a dead creature in another body,
provided death occurred no more than one week before the casting of
the spell and the subject’s soul is free and willing to return (see
Bringing Back the Dead, page 153). If the subject’s soul is not
willing to return, the spell does not work; therefore, subjects who
want to return receive no saving throw. Since the dead creature is
returning in a new body, all physical ills and afflictions are
repaired. The magic of the spell creates an entirely new young adult
body for the soul to inhabit from the natural elements at hand. This
process requires 1 hour to complete. When the body is ready, the
subject is reincarnated.
A reincarnated character recalls the majority of his former life and
form. He retains his Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma scores, as
well as any class abilities or skills he formerly possessed. His
class, base attack bonus, base save bonuses, and hit points are
unchanged. Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution scores depend partly
on his new body. First eliminate the character’s racial adjustments
(since he is no longer of his previous race) and then apply the
adjustments found below. The character’s level is reduced by 1. (If
the character was 1st level, his new Constitution score is reduced by
1.)
It’s quite possible for the change in the character’s ability scores
to make it difficult for him to pursue his previous character class.
If this happens, the character is well advised to become a multiclass
character.
The new incarnation is determined on the following table or by DM
choice.
(list deleted)
Some bodies may make it impossible for the reincarnated character to
use some of his class abilities. For example, a caster reincarnated as
a hawk can’t cast spells with somatic components because he doesn’t
have hands. The reincarnated character does gain any powers or
abilities associated with his new form, including forms of movement
and speeds, natural armor, natural attacks, etc. Refer to the Monster
Manual for exact figures. A humanoid reincarnated into an animal
body can speak the languages it formerly knew and is a magical beast.
A wish spell can restore a reincarnated character to his original
form.
Reincarnate (4E)
--------------------
fuck 4E :)
Reincarnate (5E)
--------------------
You touch a dead humanoid ar a piece of a dead humanoid. Provided that
the creature has been dead no longer than 10 days, the spell forms a
new adult body for it and then calls the soul to enter that body. If
the target's soul isn't free or willing to do so, the spell fails.
The magic fashions a new body for the creature to inhabit, which
likely causes the creature's race to change. The DM rolls a dl00 and
consults the following table to determine what form the creature takes
when restored to life, ar the DM chooses a form.
(list deleted)
The reincarnated creature recalls its former life and experiences. It
retains the capabilities it had in its original form, except it
exchanges its original race for the new one and changes its racial
traits accordingly.
--------------------
Justisaur
Jun 14, 2016, 1:45:51 PM6/14/16
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Druid's first appeared. I can't be arsed to dig it out to find out as I
really don't care what 4e says either.
>
> Reincarnate (5E)
> --------------------
> You touch a dead humanoid ar a piece of a dead humanoid. Provided that
> the creature has been dead no longer than 10 days, the spell forms a
> new adult body for it and then calls the soul to enter that body. If
> the target's soul isn't free or willing to do so, the spell fails.
> The magic fashions a new body for the creature to inhabit, which
> likely causes the creature's race to change. The DM rolls a dl00 and
> consults the following table to determine what form the creature takes
> when restored to life, ar the DM chooses a form.
> (list deleted)
> The reincarnated creature recalls its former life and experiences. It
> retains the capabilities it had in its original form, except it
> exchanges its original race for the new one and changes its racial
> traits accordingly.
>
I'd allow animals whatever the edition. Good opportunity to bring Fido
back at an appropriate HD for the party level.
Of course death for familiars in 5e is trivial anyway, you just cast
Find familiar again, spend your 10 gp and the familiar reappears alive
and well (in whatever familiar qualifying form you want!), so it's a
moot point.
- Justisaur
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