PF - Raven Familiar stats?

[Harold Groot]

I'm a little confused about the stats for the raven as a familiar in
Pathfinder. I don't have the book version of the Bestiary, so I'm
using the stats posted on the website. From

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/familiar.html

we get the stats below.

Towards the top they mention Perception +6, lower down under skills
they say Perception +3. Is one just a typo? I'm also not sure how
they're figuring things. Is it 1 Rank, 2 Wis, 3 Class Skill to get 6?
Or without Class Skill to get 3?

For Fly they have +6. Is that no ranks, just 2 for dex and 4 for size
(tiny)? It seems odd that a creature that depends so heavily on
flying wouldn't have a single rank in it. But if it had 1 rank, it
would then get 3 for class skill (per PF Core Rules on the fly skill,
everything that has a fly speed treats flying as a class skill). That
would mean 10 in fly. So perhaps there are so few skill points for
animals (1? 2?) that it simply can't get a rank in flying.

Of course, when the spellcaster can fly every day then he/she could
take ranks in fly and the familiar would get them also - and pick up
those class skill points at that time.


Raven CR 1/6
XP 65

N Tiny animal

Init +2; Senses low-light vision; Perception +6

Defense

AC 14, touch 14, flat-footed 12 (+2 Dex, +2 size)

hp 3 (1d8–1)

Fort +1, Ref +4, Will +2

Offense

Speed 10 ft., fly 40 ft. (average)

Melee bite +4 (1d3–4)

Space 2-1/2 ft.; Reach 0 ft.

Statistics

Str 2, Dex 15, Con 8, Int 2, Wis 15, Cha 7

Base Atk +0; CMB +0; CMD 6

Feats Weapon Finesse

Skills Fly +6, Perception +3

Ecology

Environment any temperate

Organization solitary, pair, flock (3–12), or unkindness (13–100)

Treasure none

The raven is an omnivorous scavenger that eats carrion, insects, food
waste, berries, and even small animals.

[Rick Pikul]

On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:46:49 +0000, Harold Groot wrote:

> I'm a little confused about the stats for the raven as a familiar in
> Pathfinder. I don't have the book version of the Bestiary, so I'm
> using the stats posted on the website. From
>
> http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/familiar.html
>
> we get the stats below.
>
> Towards the top they mention Perception +6, lower down under skills
> they say Perception +3. Is one just a typo?

Checking the book, it looks like the +3 is a typo. It has +6 for both.

> I'm also not sure how
> they're figuring things. Is it 1 Rank, 2 Wis, 3 Class Skill to get 6?
> Or without Class Skill to get 3?

It does seem that the default location for a raven's skill point is
Perception.

> For Fly they have +6. Is that no ranks, just 2 for dex and 4 for size
> (tiny)? It seems odd that a creature that depends so heavily on
> flying wouldn't have a single rank in it.

Fly is one of those skills where a little goes a long way. +6 is enough
to take 10 on most things a bird is likely to do.

> But if it had 1 rank, it
> would then get 3 for class skill (per PF Core Rules on the fly skill,
> everything that has a fly speed treats flying as a class skill). That
> would mean 10 in fly. So perhaps there are so few skill points for
> animals (1? 2?) that it simply can't get a rank in flying.

2+IntMod per HD, (min 1/HD), which boils down to 1/HD for most Animals.

> Of course, when the spellcaster can fly every day then he/she could
> take ranks in fly and the familiar would get them also - and pick up
> those class skill points at that time.

Yep, you could also choose to place the skill point in Fly.

--
Chakat Firepaw - Inventor & Scientist (Mad)

[tussock]

Harold Groot wrote:

> Str 2, Dex 15, Con 8, Int 2, Wis 15, Cha 7
>

> Skills Fly +6, Perception +3

Hey. Way late, but no one else answered on my feed. Got to be a typo,
can't get +3 in any legal way. 1 skill point for Int 2.

Fly +2 Dex, +4 Size = +6.
Perception +2 Wis, +1 point, +3 class skill = +6.

And yes, the book says +6. Though it also says Fly +5, so they fixed
half of it and broke the other half. 8]

--
tussock