Fool's Gold - Iron Pyrite
Clangador
Can fool's gold be used to plate coins to make them look like real gold coins?
My DM did this to me. Just wondering.
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Plate? As in electro - plating? Ask him where he got the electricity and
acids.
Though I dont know for sure, Iron Pyrite does NOT have the same
characteristics as gold. It is brittle, and creates black dust or crumbs
when struck.
Plus, gold has a significantly different density than most metals, unless
the coins were lead it would be noticable to someone used to handling coins.
If you were drunk in the dark it might fool you.
What is wrong with the old "Fools Gold" spell?
Isaac
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> > Can fool's gold be used to plate coins to make them look like real gold
> coins?
> > My DM did this to me. Just wondering.
> >
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> dead
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> Plate? As in electro - plating? Ask him where he got the electricity
and
> acids.
I've just had an idea for a new spell, kind of a mix of shocking grasp and
Melf's acid arrow. It's called the Midas touch...
Isaac
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coins?
> My DM did this to me. Just wondering.
No. It is iron sulfide. You could percipitate iron sulfide crystals on a
coin, maybe, but then it would look like a grainy, thickly coated coin. I
don't think it would be very easy to deposit iron pyrite on a coin in any
way that would look like gold plating or gold leaf.
Gold is very ductile. Fool's gold is not. Metals can be electroplated (if
your world allows that process and technology) but iron pyrite is a
compound, not a pure metal.
Sounds a little cheesy...
Marc
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>coins?
>My DM did this to me. Just wondering.
>
Iron pyrite would be extremely hard to make into a coin. If you melt it I am
pretty sure it ends up another color when cooled (dont quote me on that part)
as for just bashing a chunk into a coin, the stuff crumbles.
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coins?
> My DM did this to me. Just wondering.
This is a variant on a similar "prank" that appears in module B2: Keep On
The Borderlands. In one of the encounter areas (Hobgoblin lair, IIRC),
there's a large sack of "gold coins". Each is in fact a lead coin, coated
with "a gold wash" (e.g., dipped in or had molten gold poured over them,
just enough to coat them). The value of each "gold" piece is 1 CP.
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> >Can fool's gold be used to plate coins to make them look like real gold
> >coins?
> >My DM did this to me. Just wondering.
> >
>
> Iron pyrite would be extremely hard to make into a coin. If you melt it I
am
> pretty sure it ends up another color when cooled (dont quote me on that
part)
> as for just bashing a chunk into a coin, the stuff crumbles.
If you attempt to melt it you'll get iron and a nice rotten egg smell (and
the iron and sulfer break apart and the oxygen in the air mixes with the
sulfer and forms sulfer dioxide.)
As for the original question, no, you can only electroplate with materials
that disolve in water, and it would, at best, form a nice iron electroplate,
not a iron pyrite (fools gold) electroplate. I believe iron pyrite is
insoluable anyway.
For the record, electroplating with gold isn't exactly easy either as you
need a fairly strong acid to disolve the gold. (Silver is a bit easier,
however.)
gent
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>Can fool's gold be used to plate coins to make them look like real gold coins?
Yes, because the DM says so and it is a shared fantsy world. As long
as the world remains consistant (you can play this trick yourself)
then anything is possible.
g
Clangador
>coins?
>
>Yes, because the DM says so and it is a shared fantsy world. As long
>as the world remains consistant (you can play this trick yourself)
>then anything is possible.
>
Oh great.
Meshon
You must have tried to buy something your DM didnt want you to have.
Jamie
> On 02 Jul 2002 07:57:37 GMT, clan...@aol.comremove (Clangador)
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> >Can fool's gold be used to plate coins to make them look like real gold coins?
>
> Yes, because the DM says so
That one phrase provokes me enough to actually say *bah*
> and it is a shared fantsy world.
Which is precisely why "because the DM says so" is not enough
>As long
> as the world remains consistant (you can play this trick yourself)
> then anything is possible.
Yes but why call it Iron Pyrite if Iron Pyrite cannot be used for
this. It is, admittedly, impossible for the DM to have every scrap of
knowledge of his game world ready before play but if you are going to
use Iron Pyrite at least understand what it his. It greatly helps the
players share the vision of the world if, for example, they can assume
that Iron will rust when exposed to water and oxygen.
I do see your point but it is such a lame trick. Anyone exposed to
gold (i.e. all characters) should know what it bloody well looks like.
Jamie
> wrote:
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> >Can fool's gold be used to plate coins to make them look like real gold coins?
>
> Yes, because the DM says so
That one phrase provokes me enough to actually say *bah*
> and it is a shared fantsy world.
Which is precisely why "because the DM says so" is not enough
>As long
> as the world remains consistant (you can play this trick yourself)
> then anything is possible.
Yes but why call it Iron Pyrite if Iron Pyrite cannot be used for
Malachias Invictus
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> For the record, electroplating with gold isn't exactly easy either as you
> need a fairly strong acid to disolve the gold.
As far as I know, you need aqua regia (a combination of nitric and
hydrochloric acids). In fact, this property is why it is called "royal
water".
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Clangador
>this. It is, admittedly, impossible for the DM to have every scrap of
>knowledge of his game world ready before play but if you are going to
>use Iron Pyrite at least understand what it his. It greatly helps the
>players share the vision of the world if, for example, they can assume
>that Iron will rust when exposed to water and oxygen.
Here's what happened. He said they were fake gold coins. I said, ok I want to
scrape the gold plate off them. He says they are made of fools gold. I say, you
mean iron pyrite. He says yes. So, I brought it up first trying to salvage some
gold from these "fake" coins.
Stephenls
> Here's what happened. He said they were fake gold coins. I said, ok I
> want to scrape the gold plate off them. He says they are made of fools
> gold. I say, you mean iron pyrite. He says yes. So, I brought it up
> first trying to salvage some gold from these "fake" coins.
That sounds suspiciously like "Um, no. You can't use the magic sword
the deathknight was using before you killed him. It's terribly cursed.
Yeah. You have to throw it away."
I'd just go along with him after making it clear that I disagreed with
him, and hopefully he won't do something like it again.
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>> For the record, electroplating with gold isn't exactly easy either as you
>> need a fairly strong acid to disolve the gold.
>
>As far as I know, you need aqua regia (a combination of nitric and
>hydrochloric acids). In fact, this property is why it is called "royal
>water".
When I see a king who can "make" that kind of water, I'll be
impressed.
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> On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:04:54 -0700, "Malachias Invictus"
> <capt_ma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> >"Reginald Blue" <Regina...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >> For the record, electroplating with gold isn't exactly easy either as
you
> >> need a fairly strong acid to disolve the gold.
> >
> >As far as I know, you need aqua regia (a combination of nitric and
> >hydrochloric acids). In fact, this property is why it is called "royal
> >water".
>
> When I see a king who can "make" that kind of water, I'll be
> impressed.
> :-)
Well, certain kinds of infections can cause you to *feel* like you are
making that kind of water...
Robert Baldwin
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>> On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:04:54 -0700, "Malachias Invictus"
>> <capt_ma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> >"Reginald Blue" <Regina...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> >> For the record, electroplating with gold isn't exactly easy either as
>you
>> >> need a fairly strong acid to disolve the gold.
>> >
>> >As far as I know, you need aqua regia (a combination of nitric and
>> >hydrochloric acids). In fact, this property is why it is called "royal
>> >water".
>>
>> When I see a king who can "make" that kind of water, I'll be
>> impressed.
>> :-)
>
>Well, certain kinds of infections can cause you to *feel* like you are
>making that kind of water...
I'll say this, though: any king sufficiently HL to piss aqua regia can
rule any part of the world he wants. :-)