What is the most powerful monster and hero in d&d?
Eric
creature and hero are in dungeons and dragons.
Also, is the most powerful character alwast the one with the
highest level?
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Goblin
and greater demons) or perhaps a stellar dragon... As for powerful heroes, I've
never met any.
ryan_
> creature and hero are in dungeons and dragons.
Oh oh. Now you've done it...
"Why that would be the TarraRaistlinPtahSimbulEnterpriseLukeSkywalker, of
course, the most feared creature in a hundred parsecs."
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<buggoN...@earthlink.com.invalid> wrote:
>Just out of curiosity, I was wondering what the most powerful
>creature and hero are in dungeons and dragons.
>
>Also, is the most powerful character alwast the one with the
>highest level?
Simple: most powerful creature - DM; most powerful heroes - the ones he DMs
;-)
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Varsil Savai
<buggoN...@earthlink.com.invalid> wrote:
>Just out of curiosity, I was wondering what the most powerful
>creature and hero are in dungeons and dragons.
>
>Also, is the most powerful character alwast the one with the
>highest level?
>
Most powerful hero? Well, I was going to say a illithid
fighter/mage/priest/thief with his hackmaster +12, his own copy of the
DMG, and his suspiciously lucky dice... but then, munchkinism isn't
really _heroic_ :).
USCM_Sulaco
Eric <buggoN...@earthlink.com.invalid> wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, I was wondering what the most powerful
> creature and hero are in dungeons and dragons.
Most powerful "hero": Elmonster, er I mean, El-MIN-ster ;)
Most powerful creature is tougher. The Tarrasque is a powerhouse, but so
is that damn dragon from Dark Sun (Borys?). That thing could eat the
Tarrasque for breakfast.
'Course, i alwys thought the human was the most dangerous creature...
> Also, is the most powerful character alwast the one with the
> highest level?
Yes and no.
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USCM_Sulaco wrote:
> In article <04642a0a...@usw-ex0104-032.remarq.com>,
> Eric <buggoN...@earthlink.com.invalid> wrote:
> > Just out of curiosity, I was wondering what the most powerful
> > creature and hero are in dungeons and dragons.
>
> Most powerful "hero": Elmonster, er I mean, El-MIN-ster ;)
>
Hmmm......
>
> Most powerful creature is tougher. The Tarrasque is a powerhouse, but so
> is that damn dragon from Dark Sun (Borys?). That thing could eat the
> Tarrasque for breakfast.
>
Actually, Elminster could cream a tarrasque.
It takes 2 spells:
Fly
Sphere of Annihilation
Annihilated matter can't regenerate :)
And if you suck up avery last peice of that tarrasque....
Oh, and you'd have to have some way of moving the sphere faster to keep up
with the monster, but really, Elminster could make it :D
>
> 'Course, i alwys thought the human was the most dangerous creature...
>
Hell yah, in real life. Any real tarrasque wouldve died by pollution
poisoning by now :D
-Noodle
Darren S. A. George
>My guess, for the most powerful creature would be the Tarrasque >(Excluding gods and greater demons) or perhaps a stellar dragon.
Is that a relative of the Quasar Dragon (from the very first April Issue
of Dragon, along with the "What's New" Dragon)?
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Robert Baldwin
<buggoN...@earthlink.com.invalid> wrote:
>Just out of curiosity, I was wondering what the most powerful
>creature and hero are in dungeons and dragons.
A well-played pc.
>Also, is the most powerful character alwast the one with the
>highest level?
Nope, the one with the most DM support.
:-)
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Nostromo <nost...@spamfree.net.au> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 17:19:39 -0800, Eric
> <buggoN...@earthlink.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Just out of curiosity, I was wondering what the most powerful
> >creature and hero are in dungeons and dragons.
> >
> >Also, is the most powerful character alwast the one with the
> >highest level?
>
> Simple: most powerful creature - DM; most powerful heroes - the ones
he DMs
> ;-)
>
> --
> "The measure of (mental) health is flexibility (not comparison to
some 'norm'), the freedom to learn from experience...to be influenced
by reasonable arguments...and the appeal to the emotions...and
especially the freedom to cease when sated.
> The essence of illness is the freezing of behavior into unalterable
and insatiable patterns." - Lawrence Kubie
>
Sebastian Korgaard
> > > Just out of curiosity, I was wondering what the most powerful
> > > creature and hero are in dungeons and dragons.
As far as the chant goes in the Cage, I'd say the Lady of Pain.
Goblin
"Darren S. A. George" wrote:
> Goblin <Gob...@shaggybaba.com> wrote:
> >My guess, for the most powerful creature would be the Tarrasque >(Excluding gods and greater demons) or perhaps a stellar dragon.
>
> Is that a relative of the Quasar Dragon (from the very first April Issue
> of Dragon, along with the "What's New" Dragon)?
I remember reading something in a Spelljammer rulebook about an incredibly (and I mean INCREDIBLY) large type of dragon that existed
in space. I don't have the book it was mentioned in, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't the Radiant Dragon (Celestial) which is in one I
can get access to. Maybe someone else out here has the answer.
Darren S. A. George
>I remember reading something in a Spelljammer rulebook about an >incredibly (and I mean INCREDIBLY) large type of dragon that existed
>in space. I don't have the book it was mentioned in, and I'm pretty sure >it wasn't the Radiant Dragon (Celestial) which is in one I
>can get access to. Maybe someone else out here has the answer.
The Quasar Dragon devours planets where there exists extremely large
quantities of magic (ie, munchkin worlds). The first sign that a Quasar
dragon is going to devour your campaign world is when the players walk
out of their +5 castles, wearing their +22 plate mail of prismatic
invulnerability, and see the sun go out. The only thing that can stop
the Quasar dragon once this happens is to take every magic item, every
teeny tiny bit of magic, and throw it into a sphere of annihilation (one
would be wise to save the bags of holding and the portable holes for
last, I suppose).
It is not known if even deities can stop the Quasar dragon, since the
dragon is continually devouring worlds where PCs are always challenging
them, and they consider the Quasar dragon a form of pest removal.
I seem to recall that it had an armour class equivalent to several
thousand miles of iridium plating.
Aaaahh- those April issues. The Killer DM and the Sleep-Inducing DM were
also described in that issue, and the table of wandering damage, too.
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>
>"Darren S. A. George" wrote:
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>> Goblin <Gob...@shaggybaba.com> wrote:
>> >My guess, for the most powerful creature would be the Tarrasque
I'd say the Gazebo..
*ahem* quasi serious, Astral Dragons from Krynn were nuts too...i can't
recall it all, but they are mated pairs, gotta bring both the regenerators
down, and then..i can't recall the rest *shrug* didn't seem easy tho
Zamboni
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>
> also described in that issue, and the table of wandering damage, too.
>
DM screen. Kept the players on their toes. (Then there was the table of
wandering death for characters that went off on their own.)
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> >> >My guess, for the most powerful creature would be the Tarrasque
>
>
> I'd say the Gazebo..
LOL!
Yeh, Always beware the gazebo!
-Crucible
dsnyder
As terrifying a beast as that is. I would have to disagree.
The most powerful creature in an AD&D campaign is ...
the Human.
Humans in groups are even more dangerous.
Capable of rational thought and foreplanning, as well as actually
developing new abilities and weapons, the human is so successful an animal
that it has dominated every biological niche on the planet. Further, humans
have demonstrated capacity to slay any other single creature on the planet.
Humans are also the only known species to make any other species extinct.
Plus I watched as a party of humans charged forth and slew "a" Terrasque
(it was modified only in that this thing did not require a wish spell to be
slain) their battle plan was to reconoiter the beast, so that they could
come up with a plan to kill it... it fell dead in the course of their
reconasaince.
Before I get a whole list of people saying that this is impossible... if
you want a beast that's impossible to kill look in the Dieties and Demigods,
not the Monsters Manual. The Terrasque is an animal design to be dangerous
for DMs that don't know how to run monsters. If your party has slain more
than one liche, then the terrasque is for you.
Humans have in various campaigns been able to slay ANYTHING in the
Monster Manual... including each other.
Melissa Markus
spelljammer...sentient constellations that can do what the being they
represent can do (Raistlin/Fistandantilus has a constellation, doesn't
he?) as well as "undefined" hit dice/points and AC...eats Tarrasques for
brunch.
wonko
DRB
mountain, the most dangerous opponents are frequently other adventurers.
The Chatty Grue
>Absolutely. In my campaign set in the dungeons of Sword of God
>mountain, the most dangerous opponents are frequently other adventurers.
Along those lines, in games I've been in the Party's most
fearsome enemy has generally been itself.
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dsnyder
> >mountain, the most dangerous opponents are frequently other adventurers.
>
> Along those lines, in games I've been in the Party's most
> fearsome enemy has generally been itself.
So true. :>
Of course, I helped.
RuneMage
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> >mountain, the most dangerous opponents are frequently other adventurers.
>
> Along those lines, in games I've been in the Party's most
> fearsome enemy has generally been itself.
>
In my current campaign, the party have repeatedly made the mistake
of letting intelligent monsters get away, most of whom work for the
same "overlord". As a result, he has now put a bounty of 10000gp+
each on most of the party members. The PC who hasn't yet got a
price on his head hasn't been spotted by the enemy because he
makes a habit of being non-descript and normally invisible - and
is an 11th level chaotic evil assassin/mage (he-he!)...
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"dsnyder" <dsn...@newenglandcomicsspam.com> wrote:
> > >Absolutely. In my campaign set in the dungeons of Sword of God
> > >mountain, the most dangerous opponents are frequently other
adventurers.
> >
> > Along those lines, in games I've been in the Party's most
> > fearsome enemy has generally been itself.
>
>
> Of course, I helped.
>
enemy that will always defeat the party. If there is a weak link, they
either must be taken out or it may kill your party. Also between PC's
and NPC's the NPC's have a higher chance od doing damage depending if
he's in a good mood or not.
Keebler
(I am the source of all evil! Well some of it anyways).
DebiHuman
I believe at one time he blew up the Forgotten Realms and demanded everyone's
character sheet. It was published in one of the Dragon Magazines quite a while
ago.
As for the most powerful monster -- a tarrasque would fall into that category.
But every campaign is different.
Any creature could be made nearly invincible with the right stuff. .
Planescrape MC appendix 11 had a "Monster of Legend" which is the archetype of
a monster (medusa, sphynx etc.) being the largest and most fierce of its type.
Debby
Staffan Johansson
>
> As for the most powerful monster -- a tarrasque would fall into that category.
> But every campaign is different.
Bah. There are lots of things in Planescape that could eat a Tarrasque
for breakfast, and a few things in Dark Sun as well (the Dragon of Tyr
comes to mind, as a 30th level Wizard/Psionicist with significant
fighting abilities as well). The Tarrasque is formidable in a stand-up
fight, but it has a few significant weaknesses:
1. Can't fly
2. No MR (immune to specific groups of spells, but no general MR)
3. Stupid (Int 1)
The way to deal with a Tarrasque is to fly above it and zap it with
spells it isn't immune to (no fire/heat spells, and no bolts or beams).
Abu-dalzim's Horrid Wilting does fine against it (8th level spell,
d8/level dehydration damage), as does something as simple as Polymorph
Other (polymorph it to a goldfish and watch it suffocate).
The only REALLY good thing the Tarrasque has going for it is its
unkillability, the weakness of which would be hard to learn for someone
fighting it.
Now, a Paragon Tarrasque, using the rules in High-level Campaigns,
THAT's something else...
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