size/weight of huge greatsword
Jason Luck
Last night one of my characters scored a huge greatsword from an ogre
mage, and I had not the first idea how big the sword should be. The
ogre mage was 10' tall, 600 lbs -- what would the length and weight of
his greatsword be?
Thanks,
Jason Luck
Tim Fitzmaurice
Was it a standard greatsword (that a big critter might use one handed) or
a huge huge sword scaled to the critter
If the first then you have the stats, if the second (which it does look
more like), then well a greatsword is about the height of the user so 10
foot tall aint too far off for being a silly large sword.
Tim
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Brett Evill
A D&D greatsword is about 6' long, or roughly as long as the wielder is
tall. So the ogre mage's greatsword ought to be about 10' long or a
little longer.
Let's not worry about the fact that it would need to be different
proportions because of strength:weight ratio considerations and the
square-cube law. Just suppose that we do a straight scale up.
Mass is proportional to volume, which is proportional to scale cubed.
The scale factor in this case is 120/69, or 1.74. So the thing should
weigh about 5.27 times the weight of an ordinary greatsword. Call that
about 26.3 real pounds or 79 D&D pounds.
Its moments of inertia will be a real bitch: about nine times those of a
normal greatsword. So it will take nine times as much torque to swing
it. I wouldn't try with a Strength much under 25.
By the way, that's a slender ogre mage. He has the proportions of a 6'
man who weighs 130 lb.
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R. Scott Rogers
> On 7 May 2002, Jason Luck wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Last night one of my characters scored a huge greatsword from an ogre
>> mage, and I had not the first idea how big the sword should be. The
>> ogre mage was 10' tall, 600 lbs -- what would the length and weight of
>> his greatsword be?
>
> Was it a standard greatsword (that a big critter might use one handed) or
> a huge huge sword scaled to the critter
>
> If the first then you have the stats, if the second (which it does look
> more like), then well a greatsword is about the height of the user so 10
> foot tall aint too far off for being a silly large sword.
So any PC capable of fighting effectively with a 10 foot ladder should feel
free to use the ogre's sword. [Which is to say, any trained fighter from any
of the core DND humanoid races takes one look at the sword and realizes that
it's ridiculously useless.] Assuming that it's an ogre-scaled greatsword,
that is.
Cheers,
Scott
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Rupert Boleyn
<ev...@NOSPAM.webone.com.au> wrote:
>Mass is proportional to volume, which is proportional to scale cubed.
>The scale factor in this case is 120/69, or 1.74. So the thing should
>weigh about 5.27 times the weight of an ordinary greatsword. Call that
>about 26.3 real pounds or 79 D&D pounds.
>
>Its moments of inertia will be a real bitch: about nine times those of a
>normal greatsword. So it will take nine times as much torque to swing
>it. I wouldn't try with a Strength much under 25.
Given that the Ogre Mage is a large creature Str21 should do the
trick.
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Mike Benveniste
The Fullblade out of Sword & Fist is "also called an ogre's greatsword."
It supposedly weighs 23 pounds and is 18" longer than a standard 3E
greatsword, which supposedly weighs 15 pounds. Historical greatswords
probably only weighed 5-6 pounds and were between 52 and 60 inches in
overall length.
Final WAG on numbers? Just for gaming consistency, go with the S&F
stats. 78" and 23 lbs.
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Anivair
>It supposedly weighs 23 pounds and is 18" longer than a standard 3E
>greatsword, which supposedly weighs 15 pounds. Historical greatswords
>probably only weighed 5-6 pounds and were between 52 and 60 inches in
>overall length.
>
>Final WAG on numbers? Just for gaming consistency, go with the S&F
>stats. 78" and 23 lbs.
Agree. Given the weights in the MM and the charts in the PHB I am forced to
conclude that nobody at WotC has ever given any thought ot actual weight.
for emphasis, a chimera weighs 4000 pounds. It's five feet high, around ten
feet long and weighs as much as a pair of elephants. Right.
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Victor Pinamont
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I'd guess about 12 inches -- 18 erect.
Victor
Rupert Boleyn
>Agree. Given the weights in the MM and the charts in the PHB I am forced to
>conclude that nobody at WotC has ever given any thought ot actual weight.
>
>for emphasis, a chimera weighs 4000 pounds. It's five feet high, around ten
>feet long and weighs as much as a pair of elephants. Right.
Those must be darned small Elephants. 4000 is only two short tons, and
even Indian Elephants weigh in at more than that each. Heck a big bull
(as in cattle beast) can easily weigh in at over a ton.
Tim Fitzmaurice
> > If the first then you have the stats, if the second (which it does look
> > more like), then well a greatsword is about the height of the user so 10
> > foot tall aint too far off for being a silly large sword.
>
> So any PC capable of fighting effectively with a 10 foot ladder should feel
> free to use the ogre's sword. [Which is to say, any trained fighter from any
> of the core DND humanoid races takes one look at the sword and realizes that
> it's ridiculously useless.] Assuming that it's an ogre-scaled greatsword,
> that is.
Indeed...though silly weapons dont always stop the PC in question from
trying.
David K. Lewis
>
> Last night one of my characters scored a huge greatsword from an ogre
> mage, and I had not the first idea how big the sword should be. The
> ogre mage was 10' tall, 600 lbs -- what would the length and weight of
> his greatsword be?
Shouldn't your GM tell you this?
If you're asking for help for him/her, then assuming the Ogre Magi
had the blade custom made, then assume about 1.5 times the size
a human version.
The Ogre Magi is approximately 1.5 times the size of the human
so increase the blade size and weight proportionally.
Note that 1.5 the size = just over 3x the weight because you
have to multiply all 3 dimensions by 1.5 (1.5*1.5*1.5=3.375)
And the Magi at 600 pounts is just over 3x the weight of a
normal human, so its size seems to works out fine.
So increase the dimensions of a normal human greatsword by
50% in all directions and the multiply the weight by 3.375.
I won't get in to whether or not such a large lump of metal
would handle the stresses of combat or hold an edge as well
as their smaller counterparts, its fantasy after all :)
As always any opinions I may have written above are mine and mine alone.
Dave.
Dave Brohman
> >Hello all,
> >
> >Last night one of my characters scored a huge greatsword from an ogre
> >mage, and I had not the first idea how big the sword should be. The
> >ogre mage was 10' tall, 600 lbs -- what would the length and weight of
> >his greatsword be?
>
> A D&D greatsword is about 6' long, or roughly as long as the wielder is
> tall. So the ogre mage's greatsword ought to be about 10' long or a
> little longer.
>
> Let's not worry about the fact that it would need to be different
> proportions because of strength:weight ratio considerations and the
> square-cube law. Just suppose that we do a straight scale up.
>
> Mass is proportional to volume, which is proportional to scale cubed.
> The scale factor in this case is 120/69,
Are you saying that 6 feet is 69 inches? Last time I checked it was
72.
> or 1.74. So the thing should
> weigh about 5.27 times the weight of an ordinary greatsword. Call that
> about 26.3 real pounds or 79 D&D pounds.
Wouldn't it be easier to avoid all the inches mumbo-jumbo anyway? A
10' sword is 4' longer than a 6' sword. Four feet is 2/3 (or 66%) of
six feet. Therefore the multiplier is 1.66, not 1.74 as you stated.
That works out to a volume mulitplier of something like 4.58 or
thereabouts, for a total in the range of 69 pounds or so.
Saul Cohen
>
> On 08 May 2002 04:02:22 GMT, ani...@aol.com (Anivair) wrote:
>
> >Agree. Given the weights in the MM and the charts in the PHB I am
> >forced to conclude that nobody at WotC has ever given any thought
> >
> >for emphasis, a chimera weighs 4000 pounds. It's five feet high,
> >around ten feet long and weighs as much as a pair of elephants.
> >Right.
>
> Those must be darned small Elephants. 4000 is only two short tons,
> and even Indian Elephants weigh in at more than that each. Heck a
> big bull (as in cattle beast) can easily weigh in at over a ton.
According to my elephant-related sources, an African elephant weighs
between about 9000 and 15000 pounds. Big, huh?
Saul Cohen
Talen
wrote:
Meanwhile, your average ogre has more meat relatively on his bones
than do I - and I'm not even six feet tall and slip through nine-inch
gaps.
(Of course, I could be really fat, and do it in folds)
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Rupert Boleyn
<tal...@spamspamspamspam.optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>Meanwhile, your average ogre has more meat relatively on his bones
>than do I - and I'm not even six feet tall and slip through nine-inch
>gaps.
Funny, I get an Ogre as being about equivilent to a 5'10" person
weighing about 75 pounds. They elfs look fat.