Solamnic Rose Knights and spells?
Weldon Chen
I know that the Knights of the Sword can cast priestly spells if
they devote hours of Prayer. What about the Knights of the Rose?
Do they have the same ability as the Sword Knights?
If so, where is it stated in any of the DL game material?
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>For all of you AD&D (TM) Dragonlance (R) players, I have a question.
>I know that the Knights of the Sword can cast priestly spells if
>they devote hours of Prayer. What about the Knights of the Rose?
>Do they have the same ability as the Sword Knights?
>If so, where is it stated in any of the DL game material?
i noticed there was nothing anywhere to indicate this, but
i would rule that only Knights of the Sword can cast priest
spells, and Knights of the Rose cannot - if only to make the
Knights of the Sword more significant in the heirarchy :)
and hey! why would *you* stay as a sword if you could get all
the abilities of a sword *and* the power and respect of a rose?
if Knights of the Rose could cast spells, the Knights of the
Sword would probably cease to exist :P
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Aoi Ikazuchi
>of the Crowns :P
>maybe we could give the Roses some small spell ability comparable
>to that of standard paladins?
>(i cant remember, do all knights get the abilities of paladins?
>if not, than giving Knights of the Rose those abilities would
>be a good way of making them more unique :)
> -the count
According to Tales of the Lance (2nd edition), which I'd take with a grain of
salt because of all the other editorial botch-ups in there, it says that Sword
and Rose have paladin abilities. It seems the only explicit rule is that
Sword Knights have spells.
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the Sword does. The Knights of the Sword are the branch which provides
the Knights' backbone of faith via the High Clerist. The Knights of the
Rose provide leadership through the High Warrior and (usually) the Grand
Master. To keep the Swords unique in the structure of the Knighthood, I'd
give them exclusive claim to clerical spells. Besides, I shiver at the
thought of Lord Derek Crownguard casting spells.
At any rate, _no_ Knights should get spells between the Cataclysm and
Third Dragonwar, since their faith in Paladine, Kiri-Jolith, Habbakuk,
etc. has disappeared. The first Knight of the Sword to talk to Elistan,
convert, and regain his spells would have a legitimate claim on the title
of High Clerist, IMO.
Incidentally, has anyone ever added Sir Brian Donner, Knight of the
Sword, to their Dragonlance campaign? He was in the books with Derek and
Aaron/Aran Tallbow, but never said a word (like Aran) and died pretty
quick (like Aran).
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: In article <37r1nv$j...@agate.berkeley.edu>,
: Weldon Chen <wbc...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
: >For all of you AD&D (TM) Dragonlance (R) players, I have a question.
: >
: >I know that the Knights of the Sword can cast priestly spells if
: >they devote hours of Prayer. What about the Knights of the Rose?
: >Do they have the same ability as the Sword Knights?
: >If so, where is it stated in any of the DL game material?
: I'm sure it's in the Dragonlance Adventures 1st Edition book.
: Knights of the Rose get spells like Knights of the Sword, but I think
: the Rose Knights get a few more spells at the higher levels...
: zep...@io.com Keith _Damn_it_Jim_I'm_a_cleric,_not_a_..._
: _oh..._oops_ Peyton
No, it's not in any of the books, there is one chart for spells (listed under
Sword Knight) and then it goes on to talk about Rose Knights, and never
mentions spells again.
(However checking 1st Ed. Hardcover was a great idea, when T$R made the tales
of the lance boxed set, they screwed up a hell of a lot of stuff. (ie, Wizards
of High Sorcery, Holy Orders of the Stars, Tinkers, etc...)
Chris
the Count
>the Count (e...@er7.rutgers.edu) wrote:
>Thus, the knights of the sword will not die out due to advancement,
>since not all of the swords can advance to roses.
but still, letting Knights of the Rose just makes them more
powerful versions of the Swords.
i still say dont give the Roses spells so that Swords can
maintain their uniqueness in the heirarchy :)
of course, without spells, they are just more powerful versions
of the Crowns :P
maybe we could give the Roses some small spell ability comparable
to that of standard paladins?
(i cant remember, do all knights get the abilities of paladins?
if not, than giving Knights of the Rose those abilities would
be a good way of making them more unique :)
-the count
Ian Risley Wright
they would get the spells. Only a very select few Knights are allowed to
advance to the order of the Rose. While this used to be based purely on
blood-lines, since the War of the Lance, anyone can now petition to
become a Knight of Solamnia and advance within the Orders. If someone
can prove that he is ready to be a Knight of the Rose I don't see why he
would necessarily lose his powers from it, he has merely proven that he
has more faith, battle skill, and purity than others.
Jay Anderson
special abilities of lower orders. If not, why do Rose knights have
harder exp charts, and immunity to fear, while sword knights have priest
spells?
---Jay
Aoi Ikazuchi
>to mention the fact that in the SSI computer games they keep the spells as
>well...
I recall that in the SSI games, the Rose Knights also got a
"leadership" ability which let them command other characters or boost
morale--I forget the details.
Aoi Ikazuchi
> BTW, does anyone have the 2nd edition boxed set for DL. I would
>think that would have SOMETHING in there. Wait... I have it... oh yeah...
>you tend to forget these things when your stuff is scattered about the
>country. In any case, I don't have it with me. :-)
>--
> -Otto.
Don't bother, Tales of the Lance isn't too reliable, if you've found as many
mistakes as I have. I could compile a whole list of the mistakes and
ommisions ... Notice that the increment in experience required after levels
9-11 in the AD&D game remains constant, even after level 20, but in Tales of
the Lance, it shoots up after level 20. And also the disrepencies between the
weapon data in the book and the screen--since when does a scimitar knock
people down? And what the heck is the "iron-shod quarterstaff" on the screen?
According to the quarterstaff description in Arms and Equipment guide--the
quarterstaff is already shod. Why the heck are the priest spheres different
in every publication? Compare the original hardbook Dragonlance adventures,
the Tales of the Lance, and the Time of the Dragon. Which spheres are they
supposed to have? (And Time of the Dragon IS 2nd edition.) I have more, but
I don't remember them offhand. I thought Tales of the Lance would be the
answer to all my 2nd edition Dragonlance questions--but I guess not.
aefig...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
> Here's my $0.02...
>
> I have the 1st edition DragonLance book... I recall making up a
> bunch of knights one day... then I noticed that the spells were funky...
> Knights of the Rose had less spells than Crown... I figured that the
> two tables had been reversed... I seem to remember checking it against
> the gold box games and it matched up (with the reversed tables)...
>
> OR.... you might decide that since Knights of the Rose get their
> position from family ties that they might not be quite as pious as the
> guy who prayed his way out of the gutter to become a knight only to be
> stopped by the red tape. 'course this would have no bearing in post-
> catalysmic Krynn... anyone can become a Knight...
>
> Simpliest solution: swap the tables...
> --
> -Otto.
Are you sure that the tables are accumulative?
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Weldon Chen
Aoi Ikazuchi <tc...@cornell.edu> wrote:
>
>
>Don't bother, Tales of the Lance isn't too reliable, if you've found as many
>mistakes as I have. I could compile a whole list of the mistakes and
>ommisions ... Notice that the increment in experience required after levels
>9-11 in the AD&D game remains constant, even after level 20, but in Tales of
>the Lance, it shoots up after level 20. And also the disrepencies between the
>weapon data in the book and the screen--since when does a scimitar knock
>people down? And what the heck is the "iron-shod quarterstaff" on the screen?
> According to the quarterstaff description in Arms and Equipment guide--the
>quarterstaff is already shod. Why the heck are the priest spheres different
>in every publication? Compare the original hardbook Dragonlance adventures,
>the Tales of the Lance, and the Time of the Dragon. Which spheres are they
>supposed to have? (And Time of the Dragon IS 2nd edition.) I have more, but
>I don't remember them offhand. I thought Tales of the Lance would be the
>answer to all my 2nd edition Dragonlance questions--but I guess not.
>
>Aoi Ikazuchi
>
I guess this might upset you, but the "sage advice" column of Dragon (r)
magazine have major sets of corrections. As soon as i find the time,
I'll probably post them to this newsgroup and ask that they be put in the
FAQ.
As for my original question about Solamnic spells, I know the spells are in
the SSI games but I wish they would jsut state it in the DL handbooks.
Also, It really REALLY REALLY bugs me that TSR doesn't admit their mistakes.
for example, they constantly switch the pictures of the of the amphi dragon
and the sea dragon. The PICTURES ARE SWITCHED!!!! ARGH...
they kept this up in the Monstrus compendium, Tales of the Lance AND
the Players' guide.
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Eh? What did I say that made you think that?
From what I recall, Sword Knights get no spells... Crown Knights
get a few... then according to the table Rose Knights got fewer... not that
they increased their ability less ( though this would actually make some
sense). If you went by the tables, a 5th level Rose Knight had less
spell-casting ability than a 5th level Crown Kngiht. I just figured that
the tables had been switched at the publisher. The cumultive idea might
work but I think that Knights of the Rose would get MUCH too many spells.
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Veggie Boy
: and hey! why would *you* stay as a sword if you could get all
: if Knights of the Rose could cast spells, the Knights of the
: Sword would probably cease to exist :P
Ah, but not all Solamnic knights have enough wealth/status/birthright/
honor/leverage/whatever to rise from a crown to a sword or from a
sword to a rose.
Thus, the knights of the sword will not die out due to advancement,
since not all of the swords can advance to roses.
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Aoi Ikazuchi
>magazine have major sets of corrections. As soon as i find the time,
>I'll probably post them to this newsgroup and ask that they be put in the
>FAQ.
>As for my original question about Solamnic spells, I know the spells are in
>the SSI games but I wish they would jsut state it in the DL handbooks.
>Also, It really REALLY REALLY bugs me that TSR doesn't admit their mistakes.
>for example, they constantly switch the pictures of the of the amphi dragon
>and the sea dragon. The PICTURES ARE SWITCHED!!!! ARGH...
>they kept this up in the Monstrus compendium, Tales of the Lance AND
>the Players' guide.
That's the point--I don't want to go chasing after Dragon Magazine months
later for corrections--the boxed set already costs enough; I don't need to
spend $3.50 per issue to get corrections.
But yes, if possible, try to get those corrections in the FAQ--it's something
that TSR *should* provide free, as it is their editorial mistake.
Keith E Peyton
>
>I know that the Knights of the Sword can cast priestly spells if
>they devote hours of Prayer. What about the Knights of the Rose?
>Do they have the same ability as the Sword Knights?
>If so, where is it stated in any of the DL game material?
I'm sure it's in the Dragonlance Adventures 1st Edition book.
hammersmith otto j
Thorr-kan
> For all of you AD&D (TM) Dragonlance (R) players, I have a question.
>
> I know that the Knights of the Sword can cast priestly spells if
> they devote hours of Prayer. What about the Knights of the Rose?
> Do they have the same ability as the Sword Knights?
> If so, where is it stated in any of the DL game material?
This is a problem I have been batting around for my upcoming campaign. I
cannot find any literature to support Rose Knights having clerical abilities,
but in _Kaz the Minotuar_, there is mention of the Grand Master being able ot
cast clerical spells. And Huma was acknowledged to have the same ability.
These novels were written by Richard Knaack or Michael Williams, both of whom
helped create the Knights of Solamnia.
BUT, in the Tales of the Lance boxed set, it lists the special abilities of
each class of Knight. Crown Knights get weapons specialization, Sword Knights
get priest spells AND paladin abilities, Rose Knights are immune to fear. It
also states that a Knight gets to keep any abilities from a lesser Order.
My suggestion: if the Sword Knight reaches a high enough level to cast spells
and moves on to the Order of the Rose, let him keep the clerical and paladin
abilities at his Sword Knight level. If he moves to the Order of the Rose
before gaining spell abilities, he only keeps his paladin abilities. Do not
allow either Sword or Rose Knights to weapon specialize; this is the ability
of the Crown Knight. I think this is what I will do for my campaign.
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>>
>> From what I recall, Sword Knights get no spells... Crown Knights
>> get a few... then according to the table Rose Knights got fewer... not that
>> they increased their ability less ( though this would actually make some
>> sense). If you went by the tables, a 5th level Rose Knight had less
>> spell-casting ability than a 5th level Crown Kngiht. I just figured that
>> the tables had been switched at the publisher. The cumultive idea might
>> work but I think that Knights of the Rose would get MUCH too many spells.
>>
>> --
>> -Otto.
Say what??
The orders go Crown, Sword, Rose in that order of progression of power.
The Crown get NO spells and must obey the laws and rulers of the
countries listed on the Solamnic charter (or whatever the
document is called).
The Sword get spells and paladin abilities.
The Rose doesn't have a spell progression table (in the DLA 1stEd.) so I
use the Sword progression for spells. The only benefit of Rose
over Sword is status and 3 weapon proficiencies and 2 non-weapon
proficiencies. Also since the Measures of the Orders differ and
the Rose Knights are supposed to be the leaders of the others
I let them assess the situation and retreat if it is viable
within the Measure and Oath. Btw, the half million XP's needed
to progress 1 level for a Rose knight definately grants them
paladin abilities and spells.
btw, the memorizarion time of knightly spells balances out the more
spells that they get. Memorizing once per week for 48 spell levels is
the best they get. If they miss their day of meditation they lose
spells, simple as that.
- From Niekell Alumnvuthaar
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Adventure Hard!
hammersmith otto j
>I recall that in the SSI games, the Rose Knights also got a
>"leadership" ability which let them command other characters or boost
>morale--I forget the details.
>
>Aoi Ikazuchi
Baically, if you had a Knight of the Rose in your party the
computer gave you control over any Knight NPC's. Useful, considering
how often the computer made silly moves.
Mark Hills
In a previous article, oham...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (hammersmith otto j) says:
>Here's my $0.02...
>
> I have the 1st edition DragonLance book... I recall making up a
>bunch of knights one day... then I noticed that the spells were funky...
>Knights of the Rose had less spells than Crown... I figured that the
>two tables had been reversed... I seem to remember checking it against
>the gold box games and it matched up (with the reversed tables)...
I think Knights of the Rose are meant to be better fighters than
spell casters and thus the lesser spell table. Let's face it, the Knights
of Solamnia are a legion of Paladins, so to speak, except they get better
spells than most Paladins.
>
> OR.... you might decide that since Knights of the Rose get their
>position from family ties that they might not be quite as pious as the
>guy who prayed his way out of the gutter to become a knight only to be
>stopped by the red tape. 'course this would have no bearing in post-
>catalysmic Krynn... anyone can become a Knight...
The Cataclysm makes me think that the gods of Krynn are either none
too bright or evil much in the same way the Greek gods were.
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> >> Regardless of whether it's in the rules or not, it does seem likely that
> >> they would get the spells. Only a very select few Knights are allowed to
> >> advance to the order of the Rose. While this used to be based purely on
> >> blood-lines, since the War of the Lance, anyone can now petition to
> >> become a Knight of Solamnia and advance within the Orders. If someone
> >> can prove that he is ready to be a Knight of the Rose I don't see why he
> >> would necessarily lose his powers from it, he has merely proven that he
> >> has more faith, battle skill, and purity than others.
> >>
> >>
> > Although this isn't a terribly good source of information, I just like
> >to mention the fact that in the SSI computer games they keep the spells as
> >well...
>
> I recall that in the SSI games, the Rose Knights also got a
> "leadership" ability which let them command other characters or boost
> morale--I forget the details.
>
I'm not sure if it was just the Knights of the Rose but it was a tremendous improvement to the game... Being able to control the NPC's on your side prevented you from "accidently" fireballing your allies because they were between you and the mages on the other side... 8->
Tyler Bannister
> >> I have the 1st edition DragonLance book... I recall making up a
> >> bunch of knights one day... then I noticed that the spells were funky...
> >> Knights of the Rose had less spells than Crown... I figured that the
> >> two tables had been reversed... I seem to remember checking it against
> >> the gold box games and it matched up (with the reversed tables)...
> >>
> >> OR.... you might decide that since Knights of the Rose get their
> >> position from family ties that they might not be quite as pious as the
> >> guy who prayed his way out of the gutter to become a knight only to be
> >> stopped by the red tape. 'course this would have no bearing in post-
> >> catalysmic Krynn... anyone can become a Knight...
> >>
> >> Simpliest solution: swap the tables...
> >
> >
> >The Darkworld Master
> >We come in peace. Shoot to kill!
>
> Eh? What did I say that made you think that?
>
> From what I recall, Sword Knights get no spells... Crown Knights
> get a few... then according to the table Rose Knights got fewer... not that
> they increased their ability less ( though this would actually make some
> sense). If you went by the tables, a 5th level Rose Knight had less
> spell-casting ability than a 5th level Crown Kngiht. I just figured that
> the tables had been switched at the publisher. The cumultive idea might
> work but I think that Knights of the Rose would get MUCH too many spells.
>
> --
> -Otto.
What!?! 5th Level Knights are supposed to have <ANY> spells whatsoever...
In fact a 5th level is one of the requirements for entry into Knights of the Rose? (Isn't it?)
a92...@zipi.fi.upm.es
> For all of you AD&D (TM) Dragonlance (R) players, I have a question.
>
> I know that the Knights of the Sword can cast priestly spells if
> they devote hours of Prayer. What about the Knights of the Rose?
> Do they have the same ability as the Sword Knights?
> If so, where is it stated in any of the DL game material?
> --
Well, in the Books i havent found any evidence of their having of priest
spells.
In the Dragonlance Role book, they just r not affected by the spell Frighten,
but i personally think that they would have to have the same powers than the
less powerful (or important) classes of solammnic knights. And Rose knights
have been Knights of sword before, so i think they would have to keep theyr
powers.
Hoping have helped.
ARIAKAS, master of bits.
Tyler Bannister
Tyler Bannister
Robert Dietze
My opinion to this topic:
- Rose Knight will get spells, after they reach the required level, because they
had to be Sword Knights first, before the become a Rose Knight! So why should
they lose their priestly ability? They are supposed to be the finest members
of the knighthood and I think they have the faith in the gods to cast priestly
spells.
- Rose Knight do not get the spells Sword Knights get (Kiri-Jolith spells).
The patron deity of the Order of the Rose is Paladine, so they will receive
spells from Paladines accessible cycles.
- Rose Knights have the abilities of a Paladin, the only class-change in the
Knighthood happens, when a Crown Knight changes to the Order of the Sword
(Fighter -> Paladin) and so they also get priestly spells at the appropriate
level.
All this is based on the books "Tales of the Lance" and "DL Adventures" and
common sense.
cpie...@julian.uwo.ca (c.t. pierson) wrote:
>The Knights of the Rose provide leadership through the High Warrior ...
That is wrong! The highest rank of the Order of the Rose is the High Justice, not
the High Warrior (highest rank of Crowns)!
Sadman Turnkey, mayor of Kenderrest
the Count
>- Rose Knight will get spells, after they reach the required level, because they
>had to be Sword Knights first, before the become a Rose Knight! So why should
>they lose their priestly ability? They are supposed to be the finest members
>of the knighthood and I think they have the faith in the gods to cast priestly
>spells.
so what you are saying is that Rose Knights should get only as many
spells as they were able to cast at their highest level as a Sword
Knight?
i can go for that.
Sean Kelly
: Well, in the Books i havent found any evidence of their having of priest
: spells.
:
: In the Dragonlance Role book, they just r not affected by the spell
Frighten,
: but i personally think that they would have to have the same powers than the
: less powerful (or important) classes of solammnic knights. And Rose knights
: have been Knights of sword before, so i think they would have to keep theyr
: powers.
: Hoping have helped.
: ARIAKAS, master of bits.
The knights in the books don't have spells, because they, like the
clerics on Krynn, lost that kind of power after the Cataclysm (sp?). I
could be wrong, but I think I remember some mention of knights and spells
in DL Heroes book, "the Legend of Huma".
Anyway, I'd say that all knights of all orders lost their spiritual
(paladin-like) powers after the Cataclysm, and would slowly regain during
and after the first Dragon War (during the DL Chronicles).
Also, I'd say that only the good knights that were true to the
measure and honorable would get spells and powers, so that the corrupt
knights (like Derek Crownguard) would not have spells, no matter what.
Just my opinions and recollections...
Sean Kelly
Insomnia
: My opinion to this topic:
: - Rose Knight will get spells, after they reach the required level, because they
: had to be Sword Knights first, before the become a Rose Knight! So why should
: they lose their priestly ability? They are supposed to be the finest members
: of the knighthood and I think they have the faith in the gods to cast priestly
: spells.
: - Rose Knight do not get the spells Sword Knights get (Kiri-Jolith spells).
: The patron deity of the Order of the Rose is Paladine, so they will receive
: spells from Paladines accessible cycles.
: - Rose Knights have the abilities of a Paladin, the only class-change in the
: Knighthood happens, when a Crown Knight changes to the Order of the Sword
: (Fighter -> Paladin) and so they also get priestly spells at the appropriate
: level.
As you've just pointed out, changing orders is really changing
gods. The entire religion changes. Suppose you took calc 121, and
the professor let you use graphing calculators, that doesn't mean the
calc 221 professor will let you too, just because you did before.
True Rose and Sword knights are still both Solamnic Knights, but each
order represents a different philosophy. Note that if you qualify for Rose
knighthood, you don't HAVE to become a Rose knight. This would
suggest that becoming one is not an upgrade, but an option. Sword
knights cast spells, rose knights lead troops and fight. They are
seperate groups, not sequential stages of the same one.
Just an opinion.
--Insomnia
--Sleep is for the weak!
Tyler Bannister
If I didn't have to post from a lab on campus, I would simply post the spells as given on some of my material, I will try to remember to take a look, I almost certain I have the appropriate info in my res. Tommorrow we'll find out for sure but even though the religion changes, it is important ot note that Paladine shoudl give more power to his knights than either of his sons (Kiri-Jolith and ?) since he is a greater god and the others are lessers.
Sean Kelly
: My opinion to this topic:
: - Rose Knight will get spells, after they reach the required level,
because they
: had to be Sword Knights first, before the become a Rose Knight! So why should
: they lose their priestly ability? They are supposed to be the finest members
: of the knighthood and I think they have the faith in the gods to cast priestly
: spells.
: - Rose Knight do not get the spells Sword Knights get (Kiri-Jolith spells).
: The patron deity of the Order of the Rose is Paladine, so they will receive
: spells from Paladines accessible cycles.
: Sadman Turnkey, mayor of Kenderrest
I agree fully with what you're saying here--it makes a lot of sense.
I've got a question though: would knights that can cast spells get the
Specials and Additionals spells as given in DragonLance Adventures under
each god? I don't think they would, since those (like bonus spells due
to wisdom) are just for clerics, but I've never been sure. Anyone have
any ideas?
Sean Kelly
Insomnia
The question isn't about which god is more powerful.
Kiri-Jolth's knights are granted spells because that's what they do.
Paladine's knights fight and lead... and they do that a lot better
than Kiri-Jolth's knights. They are arguably nore powerful then the
sword knights already, they don't need spells.
Tyler Bannister
> : > As you've just pointed out, changing orders is really changing
> : > gods. The entire religion changes. Suppose you took calc 121, and
> : > the professor let you use graphing calculators, that doesn't mean the
> : > calc 221 professor will let you too, just because you did before.
> : > True Rose and Sword knights are still both Solamnic Knights, but each
> : > order represents a different philosophy. Note that if you qualify for Rose
> : > knighthood, you don't HAVE to become a Rose knight. This would
> : > suggest that becoming one is not an upgrade, but an option. Sword
> : > knights cast spells, rose knights lead troops and fight. They are
> : > seperate groups, not sequential stages of the same one.
> : > Just an opinion.
> : >
>
>
> The question isn't about which god is more powerful.
> Kiri-Jolth's knights are granted spells because that's what they do.
> Paladine's knights fight and lead... and they do that a lot better
> than Kiri-Jolth's knights. They are arguably nore powerful then the
> sword knights already, they don't need spells.
>
> --Insomnia
>
> --Sleep is for the weak!
Ah.. but some times it is... Clerics of Greater Gods generally have more power granted to them than those of lesser gods... BTW... I'll check tonight on that... I must have forgotten...
Robert Dietze
q7...@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Sean Kelly) wrote:
:I've got a question though: would knights that can cast spells get the
:each god? I don't think they would, since those (like bonus spells due
:to wisdom) are just for clerics, but I've never been sure. Anyone have
:any ideas?
I think they dont get any additional spells neither from wisdom bonus nor from
the gods (special abilities and additional spells like mentioned in Tales of the
Lance), because the knights are no priests, they are paladins!
Robert Dietze
e...@er1.rutgers.edu (the Count) wrote:
:so what you are saying is that Rose Knights should get only as many
:spells as they were able to cast at their highest level as a Sword
:Knight?
:i can go for that.
This is a complicate matter. My intention was to give the Rose Knights the same
priestly spellcasting ability like paladins in the Players Handbook (2nd Ed.).
So it doesnt matter, if they already had spells from their level advancement
in the Order of the Sword. The only advantage in staying longer with the
sword knights would be (i dont know exactly, if sword knight receive more
spells than ordinary paladins) the greater number of spells.
It also depends on the way the rose knight chooses, maybe he still follows the
more spiritual way in the Order. So he will pray one day in a week and receives
priestly spells. Maybe another knight, who changed the Orders more rapidly,
doesnt pray that often (lets say he is a proficent army leader), so he will get
no or less spells.
Anybody any ideas??
David W. Knott
>So it doesnt matter, if they already had spells from their level advancement
>in the Order of the Sword. The only advantage in staying longer with the
>sword knights would be (i dont know exactly, if sword knight receive more
>spells than ordinary paladins) the greater number of spells.
at level 9, while Sword Knights can cast level 7 spells and gain their first
spell earlier. Also, Rose Knights have slower advancement than Sword Knights,
so they do not fight as well as Sword Knights. So, what special powers would
you give a Rose Knight to compensate for these disadvantages? Immunity to
Fear just doesn't seem to be enough.