Conjouring Question
Markus Schultze
Hi,
The SR-II Rulebook gives isufficient information about conjouring.
Can a shaman summon a nature spirit being at his domain in astral
projection, or must he physically be there?
Nothing says that he can not, but if he can, he would be able to summon
a low force spirit and cast area effect spells on him.
So what is correct now?
Please send your answer to:
Thanks
David R. Henry
Markus Schultze writes:
>Can a shaman summon a nature spirit being at his domain in astral
>projection, or must he physically be there?
I believe that they can, but it's a simple enough rule change to
say "No" if you don't like it.
>Nothing says that he can not, but if he can, he would be able to summon
>a low force spirit and cast area effect spells on him.
Um, any shaman that did that would very quickly find no spirits willing
to answer their call.
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Markus Schultze wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The SR-II Rulebook gives isufficient information about conjouring.
>
> projection, or must he physically be there?
>
> a low force spirit and cast area effect spells on him.
>
> Please send your answer to:
Correct answer I don't know but heres what I reckon..
On the basis that spirits are summoned from the metaplanes and there is no
path to the metaplanes from the astral (only from the physical) In fact I
would say that the conjuring creates a bridge for the spirit to move from
the metaplanes to the astral.
Hope this helps..
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Piatro
In article <318088...@tu.bs.de>, Markus Schultze <M.Sch...@tu.bs.de>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The SR-II Rulebook gives isufficient information about conjouring.
>
> Can a shaman summon a nature spirit being at his domain in astral
> projection, or must he physically be there?
>
We ran into this question in our gaming group too. One theory that we
came up with is that you would get an Astral Spirit when coujuring from
astral space. We havent worked up any specifics yet, but in principle we
figured that the Astral Spirit would have no physical domain, but no
direct powers in the physical world either.
So what do you all think?
Piatro
Ben F. Rasmussen
Piatro (wils...@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu) wrote:
: In article <318088...@tu.bs.de>, Markus Schultze <M.Sch...@tu.bs.de>
Well, as far as FASA has officialy/unofficialy writen when you summon a
spirit, it depends on your astral location. The best example of this
would have to be Sam Verner summoning the hearth spirit in the second
secrets of power triliogy. He left his body, went astral, searched out a
hearth spirit and then summoned it from astral space. Weither or not the
actual rules will follow this may vary, but since they did write it I
take it as a pretty good source, especialy counting on how old the novel
is/who the author was.
Alex Rothman
: The SR-II Rulebook gives isufficient information about conjouring.
: Can a shaman summon a nature spirit being at his domain in astral
: projection, or must he physically be there?
Everything in the physical world has an astral echo. There's the astral
presence of every tree in a certain forest that you walk through, and
there are astral versions of the concrete walls of Seattle. The astral
area corresponding to a spirit's physical domain is also part of that
spirit's domain. When a spirit is summoned, he arrives in his astral
form in the astral plane.. even when the shaman is in the physical world.
The spirit then may choose to manifest. There is no problem with
summoning a spirit while astrally projecting.
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Stainless Steel Rat
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On Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:26:30 +0200, Markus Schultze <M.Sch...@tu.bs.de>
wrote:
>Can a shaman summon a nature spirit being at his domain in astral
>projection, or must he physically be there?
Sure, why not? There are no physical requirements to the ritual.
Hermetic conjurors on the other hand require physical components; that will
lock them into the physical world during summonings. If the shaman
requires physical objects in his ritual (as part of a geas, perhaps?), then
he would be restricted to the physical world during summonings.
>Nothing says that he can not, but if he can, he would be able to summon
>a low force spirit and cast area effect spells on him.
Only if the spirit manifests first. And that is probably not going to go
over well with the shaman's totem, using nature spirits as bombs.
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>
> > Hi,
> >
> > The SR-II Rulebook gives isufficient information about conjouring.
> >
> > projection, or must he physically be there?
> >
>
> came up with is that you would get an Astral Spirit when coujuring from
> astral space. We havent worked up any specifics yet, but in principle we
> figured that the Astral Spirit would have no physical domain, but no
> direct powers in the physical world either.
>
This would assume that if you conjured a spirit from the physical it would
be a physical spirit..Mmmm..That sounds interesting...Except that spirits
are astral based...Still it may be useful for a tradition or two I have in mind.
Good stuff.
Dweller on the Threshold
nag...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
In article <3184f2f5...@news.dfci.harvard.edu>, rat...@peorth.gweep.net (Stainless Steel Rat) writes:
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> On Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:26:30 +0200, Markus Schultze <M.Sch...@tu.bs.de>
> wrote:
>
>>projection, or must he physically be there?
>
> Hermetic conjurors on the other hand require physical components; that will
> lock them into the physical world during summonings. If the shaman
> requires physical objects in his ritual (as part of a geas, perhaps?), then
> he would be restricted to the physical world during summonings.
>
>>Nothing says that he can not, but if he can, he would be able to summon
>>a low force spirit and cast area effect spells on him.
>
> Only if the spirit manifests first. And that is probably not going to go
> over well with the shaman's totem, using nature spirits as bombs.
>
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to be a target. Foci are dual, shapeshifters and dragons are dual...nature
spirits and elementals are not. No "bridge" for the spell to exploit.
bruce
Stainless Steel Rat
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On 1 May 96 13:14:30 -0500, nag...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu wrote:
>Only problem here is, when the spirit is manifested, it isn't _in_ the
Astral
>to be a target. Foci are dual, shapeshifters and dragons are
dual...nature
>spirits and elementals are not. No "bridge" for the spell to exploit.
I suggest you reread the Manifest power, because a manifest spirit most
certainly is a dual-natured being.
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