Fork a Drain Life
Neal Feldman
Situation is you and I both have 10 lives...
You cast a Drain Life at me, total of 12 mana, 11 of it black.
I fork it.
Who dies?
Does the interrupt get resolved first, reducing you to zero life? Does
this kill you before your drain life (sorcery) actually affects me?
Does the 'just cast' text on the Fork mean it goes off AFTER the sorcery
does ( a friend explains it as the duplication happens before, but the
effect afterwards due to the wording on the card) which would reduce me
to 0? Would that kill me before you?
Or is it a case of mutual destruction, both dying at the same time?
Or is it mutual survival with both ending up with 10 lives same as
starting?
The new rules state that no matter when, if a player is at zero lives
they die immediately.
With it being two spells, one being an interrupt and one being a
sorcery, I do not see how it can be mutual destruction...
So, who dies? Who wins? You? Me? Both? Neither?
Sorry to create a headache...
... Just try it shorty. - Tasha
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Tom Wylie
>Situation is you and I both have 10 lives...
>You cast a Drain Life at me, total of 12 mana, 11 of it black.
>I fork it.
>Who dies?
Nobody does.
>Does the interrupt get resolved first, reducing you to zero life? Does
>this kill you before your drain life (sorcery) actually affects me?
First, the spell copied by Fork does not itself resolve at the speed of
an interrupt. It copies the speed of the spell being copied, and since
that speed is not "interrupt", it is stuck unto the normal LIFO resolution
queue.
Even if the copied Drain Life was resolved immediately, its damage would
wait until all non-interrupts had finished, at normal.
When the damage from each Drain Life resolves, each player will have 10
life, and be taking 10 points of damage. Assuming no damage prevention,
they will each take 10 damage, then gain 10 lives from their Drain Life,
for a net gain of 0 life on both sides.
By the way, this is one of those situations where the "cannot gain more life
from a player than the player had" recommendation for Drain Life becomes
relevant.
>The new rules state that no matter when, if a player is at zero lives
>they die immediately.
Player life points are only checked at end of phase, and at
start or end of attack (page 14).
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David DeLaney
>Here is an odd question on the similar thread:
>Situation is you and I both have 10 lives...
>You cast a Drain Life at me, total of 12 mana, 11 of it black.
>I fork it.
>Who dies?
Nobody.
>Does the interrupt get resolved first, reducing you to zero life? Does
>this kill you before your drain life (sorcery) actually affects me?
Yes. No, not at all.
>Does the 'just cast' text on the Fork mean it goes off AFTER the sorcery
>does ( a friend explains it as the duplication happens before, but the
>effect afterwards due to the wording on the card) which would reduce me
>to 0? Would that kill me before you?
The Fork resolves before the original Sorcery does - but all damage from
any effect in a instants/non-fast stack waits until everything has resolved
before being applied (not that this makes a difference in this case).
>Or is it mutual survival with both ending up with 10 lives same as
>starting?
Ding!
>The new rules state that no matter when, if a player is at zero lives
>they die immediately.
Er, no; you might want to *read* the new rules. That applies only to
*creatures* which have taken lethal damage; players are checked for
death at the same time manaburn happens - end of every phase, and start and
end of attack phase. Since a phase cannot end in the middle of an unresolved
stack of effects, the Fork drains from B to A, then the original drains
from A to B, and both end up where they were. Yes, B may have been temporarily
at or below 0, but will get it back (exception: if A has 10 and B has 5, and
the Drain is powered for 12 [for whatever reason], B will do 12 damage to
A from the Forked copy but only gain 10 life (since A only had 10), leaving
A momentarily at -2, then A will do 12 damage to B and gain 12 life (since
B temporarily had 15 life), leaving A back at 10 and B now at 3. Lesson:
don't overdamage if you think it'll be forked...)
>With it being two spells, one being an interrupt and one being a
>sorcery, I do not see how it can be mutual destruction...
The *Fork* is an Interrupt; the copy of the Drain Life it makes is another
Sorcery.
>So, who dies? Who wins? You? Me? Both? Neither?
Neither, generally. If the original person tries to do more damage than
*he* has life, the opponent may well end up dead (if the example above
had been powered for 16 damage, B would've ended up at -1, with A having
been temporarily at -6 in the middle, and B would have died in a bit when
the phase ended... moral: be careful what you Fork) if they Fork it - but
usually this won't be happening...
>Sorry to create a headache...
No problem; I hear you're experienced at it...
Dave
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Robert Finkbeiner
only copies the casting cost of the spell and the black mana to pump the
drain life is not part of the casting cost. The forking player dies
unless he has some swamps to pump into his copy of the drain life.
Acvar
Air Wolf
Actually i would disagree about that.. earlier.. I asked Kathy Ice if
the pumping part of drain life was part of or seperate from the casting
cost.. she said it was part of it.. therefore in order to spell blast you
must tap 2 + X.. so.. the fork SHOULD work with Drain life..
if i'm wrong please say so
peace,
Salman
Tom Wylie
time, whether those costs were part of the casting cost or not. You only
ever pay RR for a Fork; you wouldn't pay again for a Drain Life, would not
sacrifice cards for the Fork of a Recall, and so on.
Tom Wylie
>Actually i would disagree about that.. earlier.. I asked Kathy Ice if
>the pumping part of drain life was part of or seperate from the casting
>cost.. she said it was part of it.. therefore in order to spell blast you
>must tap 2 + X.. so.. the fork SHOULD work with Drain life..
Kathy must not have read the card before answering. It explicitly states
that the black mana used for damage is not part of the casting cost.
Drain Life always costs 2U to Spell Blast. Fork always copies any costs
paid as the spell is announced, whether those costs are part of the
"casting cost" or not, so will copy a Drain Life's damage.
Cornelius Williams
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This is ABSOLUTLY WRONG, by that reasoning , what use would fork
be to a Fireball or disentegrate spell . You would have to add the extra
mana to pump it up. The fork copies the spell in its entirity (except for
color) , so in the case of the Drain power they would equal out.
Cornelius
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Wait a minute - isn't the extra mana in a Fireball part of the casting
cost?!?!? (Mountain+X)
Daniel
Richard Braakman
>In article <37o2tr$h...@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, fink...@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Finkbeiner) writes:
>> The answer to all your questions is easily found by knowing that fork
>> only copies the casting cost of the spell and the black mana to pump the
>> drain life is not part of the casting cost. The forking player dies
>> unless he has some swamps to pump into his copy of the drain life.
>
>be to a Fireball or disentegrate spell . You would have to add the extra
>mana to pump it up. The fork copies the spell in its entirity (except for
>color) , so in the case of the Drain power they would equal out.
From the card: "Drain Life does 1 damage to a single target for each B spent
in addition to the casting cost."
Note that the extra B are explicitly _not_ part of the casting cost, they are
added later. Whether this matters to a Fork is not clear.
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Richard Braakman
What question could be its own answer?
Jay Cheroske
> in addition to the casting cost."
> Note that the extra B are explicitly _not_ part of the casting cost, they are
> added later. Whether this matters to a Fork is not clear.
I asked Tom this question directly, and he said Fork makes an exact copy
of the spell that includes all costs, even if they are not part of the
casting cost.
Jay
boyes@forty2
Drain Life, is not part of the casting cost. Fireballs have an X part incoating
how much damage is done, but *additional* points are spent to spread *that*
damage equally (which I always forget) between mutliple targets.
+Mark+