DO NOT USE CUTE MOUSE v1.4
WesGill
I have recently been trying to configure my system to run Ultima 7 and was
having many difficulties. My MEM command said I had 600K when the U7
installation program said I only had 493K. I had experienced this problem
before with a partitioned Western Digital HD that had Overlay installed so I
thought it would be a similar problem. I searched all over CMOS/BIOS and the
autoexec.bat and config.sys for commands to disable and I found none. I decided
to start with a fresh bare bones bootdisk as follows:
CONFIG.SYS
FILES=30
BUFFERS=20
AUTOEXEC.BAT
PROMPT $p$g
When I booted with that and ran MEM it said I had 614K. I ran the U7 install
program and it said I had the same! Great, I thought. Then I started adding
lines one at a time to the config.sys and autoexec.bat thinking it was probably
going to have to do with the 3D Sound card PnP drivers. Then I tried with just
the settings like this:
CONFIG.SYS
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
DOS=HIGH
FILES=45
BUFFERS=25
AUTOEXEC.BAT
PROMPT $p$g
PATH=C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND
C:\CTMOUSE\CTMOUSEP.COM
I ran the MEM command and it said I had 600K, but when I ran the Ultima 7
installation program it said I had 493K. I knew it had to be the mouse. When I
went into the CTMOUSE directory there are 5 files:
CTMOUSE.ASM.....104K
CTMOUSE.COM.....10K
CTMOUSEP.COM.....8K
CTMOUSE.TXT........3K
TECHNOTE.TXT.......5K
I am not a programmer and I don't know what a ".ASM" file is or why it is even
needed, but for some reason the CTMOUSE.COM command is loading CTMOUSE.ASM into
conventional memory and then hiding it from the DOS MEM command. I don't know
if this is the same version of "Cutemouse" that everyone is raving about, but
this problem really needs to be posted so that other Dragons don't have the
same problem. If you want to make a bootdisk and try it out for yourself email
me and I will send you the .ZIP file.
Wes Gill
wes...@aol.com
Universe Dragon
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Zivilyn
>I am not a programmer and I don't know what a ".ASM" file is or why it is
even
>needed, but for some reason the CTMOUSE.COM command is loading CTMOUSE.ASM
into
>conventional memory and then hiding it from the DOS MEM command.
Really? Must be very awkward code :)
>I don't know if this is the same version of "Cutemouse" that everyone is
raving about, but
>this problem really needs to be posted so that other Dragons don't have the
>same problem. If you want to make a bootdisk and try it out for yourself
email
>me and I will send you the .ZIP file.
Never tried the program myself. Erase everything but the .com files and try
it. You'll probably see that it makes no difference, so your problem has to
do with something else.
--
Zivilyn Dragon
-==UDIC==-
WesGill
>Never tried the program myself. Erase everything but the .com files and try
>it. You'll probably see that it makes no difference, so your problem has to
>do with something else.
>
>--
>Zivilyn Dragon
>-==UDIC==-
If you read RGCUD someone else had the exact same problem. I KNOW it is the
driver. I have spent 2 weeks trying to configure a bootdisk for U7 because of
this. Last night I narrowed it down to exactly the ctmousep.com driver. I KNOW
IT'S THE MOUSE DRIVER!!! I have it working now with just a Microsoft mouse
driver.
Universe Dragon
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Lawful Dragon
[posted and e-mailed.]
WesGill wrote:
-- CLICKETY...
> I am not a programmer and I don't know what a ".ASM" file is or why it is even
> needed, but for some reason the CTMOUSE.COM command is loading CTMOUSE.ASM into
> conventional memory and then hiding it from the DOS MEM command. I don't know
> if this is the same version of "Cutemouse" that everyone is raving about, but
> this problem really needs to be posted so that other Dragons don't have the
> same problem. If you want to make a bootdisk and try it out for yourself email
> me and I will send you the .ZIP file.
>
> Wes Gill
> wes...@aol.com
>
> Universe Dragon
> ~~~~UDIC~~~~
Well - I sincerely doubt that CTMOUSE is loading the .ASM file into
memory when running, for that's the source code you feed into the assembler
to generate the binary file (in fact, it'll generate an .OBJ file,
but that's nearly the same :) Well, I'm using CTMOUSE 1.2 (the 7K file) and
never got into trouble with it. Still, just recently I've been repeatedly
been made aware of strange memory reports like yours when running Serpent
Isle. Never asked about the CTMOUSE version, but this may be a possible
cause. So I would be glad if you could send me the 1.4 version to check it,
for I didn't get it anywhere yet :)
Lawful Dragon
also known as Armalite.
-==(UDIC)==-
boll...@metronet.de
CTMOUSE 1.2 should be ok, still.
Mark Shingler
you are right that ctmousep.com, which is the driver for ps/2 mice, from
ctmouse 1.4 causes ultima to think
more than 100k more memory is being used than mem recognises. I have had
the same problem myself.
Whether it is due to what you say, I do not know. i have seen no-one
complaining about ctmouse for serial
mice, so probably there is no problem with these. but for anyone with ps/2
mice, if you get the same problem,
gibe up on ctmousep.com.
>AUTOEXEC.BAT
>PROMPT $p$g
>PATH=C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND
>C:\CTMOUSE\CTMOUSEP.COM
>
>I ran the MEM command and it said I had 600K, but when I ran the Ultima 7
>installation program it said I had 493K. I knew it had to be the mouse.
When I
>went into the CTMOUSE directory there are 5 files:
>
>CTMOUSE.ASM.....104K
>CTMOUSE.COM.....10K
>CTMOUSEP.COM.....8K
>CTMOUSE.TXT........3K
>TECHNOTE.TXT.......5K
>
WesGill
>you are right that ctmousep.com, which is the driver for ps/2 mice, from
>ctmouse 1.4 causes ultima to think
>more than 100k more memory is being used than mem recognises. I have had
>the same problem myself.
>Whether it is due to what you say, I do not know. i have seen no-one
>complaining about ctmouse for serial
>mice, so probably there is no problem with these. but for anyone with ps/2
>mice, if you get the same problem,
>gibe up on ctmousep.com.
It has been verified that the same thing happens with the serial mouse driver
as the PS/2.
Universe Dragon
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Discoverer of the CuteMouse v1.4 Memory Bug ;)
Download: ftp://members.aol.com/wesgill/ctmouse.zip
Mark Shingler
Well, now.
It is good to know we (royal sense) are not alone in finding memory problems
with version 1.4 of ctmouse.
There is some schadenfreude in knowing that it afflicts serial mice as well
as ps/2 mice.
As you know the problems, why have you got a download of ctmouse version 1.4
at the bottom of your post?
Do you want other people to experience the same problem and head-scratching
misery?
As to your signature, claiming the discovery of the memory bug, my flag was
planted first ... see my post of 5 March in reply to Pug/Equilibre
Dragon... I will defend my claim to undying fame until my last breath.
WesGill wrote in message
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WesGill
>Well, now.
>It is good to know we (royal sense) are not alone in finding memory problems
>with version 1.4 of ctmouse.
>There is some schadenfreude in knowing that it afflicts serial mice as well
>as ps/2 mice.
>As you know the problems, why have you got a download of ctmouse version 1.4
>at the bottom of your post?
>Do you want other people to experience the same problem and head-scratching
>misery?
>As to your signature, claiming the discovery of the memory bug, my flag was
>planted first ... see my post of 5 March in reply to Pug/Equilibre
>Dragon... I will defend my claim to undying fame until my last breath.
Argh!
I shall relinquish my Title then. Back to the plain old sig I suppose.
(The ftp link was there so disbelievers could try it for themselves)
Universe Dragon
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