Abusive language petition.
Wags
I am starting this thread in an attempt to send a message
to OSI in reguards to abusive language and actions in the
game. I want them to be held strictly to the terms that
they set out about such online abuses. I want those people
that violate this policy suspended or banned.
Please post to this tread in support of this movement.
Wags.
Lou Zucaro
In article <347B0627...@iriscorp.com>, mwa...@iriscorp.com says...
Why don't you just turn on your language filter?
By the way, how do you get people to not use abusive language in real
life?
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The answer to how do you keep anyone from doing anything in real life is
'social pressure'. Yet this is inadaquate in a virtual world. It is
impossible to shun someone in UO, the GM's are the only ones with this
ability.
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Lou Zucaro wrote in message ...
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Urisk of the murky depths
(l...@pause.com) Lou Zucaro enlightened us with:
> Why don't you just turn on your language filter?
You're missing the point. But to humor you, language filters
solve nothing. I could call someone a "stupid kunt" or
"B I T C H", expressing my stupidity just well, without using the
right spelling...
> By the way, how do you get people to not use abusive language in real
> life?
This isn't real life. It's an artificial environment provided for
our entertainment. The providers of such have an obligation to their
customers to dissuade certain types of behaviour...
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The point is not the language filter--that puts the entire burden upon the
victim. Why should I spend the time thinking up every dirty word I can and
adding them to the filter. Then add more each night as hormone-crazed
pre-teen jerks do their best to ruin my gaming experience.
The point is that Origin spelled out a code of conduct. A code of conduct
all of us were required to accept before playing the game. Origin made the
rules, and it is up to them to enforce the rules. What possible excuse can
there be for not responding to GM calls of this nature? Abuse reports
should take even higher priority than "can't move in the world" reports.
By canceling the accounts of those who lied when they agreed to the code of
conduct, the gaming experience will be enhanced in several ways: first,
those who choose to role-play will cease to be abused (verbally, at least)
by those who choose not to; and second, the servers will be a lot less
crowded, at least initially, as hundreds upon hundreds of accounts are
cancelled.
Bottom line: display the rules, then enforce them rigorously.
Silvershadow
Lake Superior Shard
Lou Zucaro wrote in message ...
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>Why don't you just turn on your language filter?
>
>By the way, how do you get people to not use abusive language in real
>life?
>
Wags
It seems that I did not make myself clear enough. Allow me
to justify this thread.
Following is OSI Terms and Conditions. Please read this thoroughly.
I got this right of the web page. If you want to see it there, choose
to modify your account, then click the Terms/Conditions button.
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Terms and Conditions
ULTIMA ONLINE SERVICE
RULES OF CONDUCT
When you are logged on to the Ultima Online Service, you must abide by the
following rules. IF YOU BREAK ANY OF THESE RULES, YOUR ULTIMA
ONLINE ACCOUNT, AND YOUR RIGHT TO USE THE ULTIMA ONLINE
SERVICE, MAY BE TERMINATED IMMEDIATELY BY ORIGIN SYSTEMS.
IF THIS HAPPENS, YOU WILL NOT BE ENTITLED TO ANY REFUND OF
ANY AMOUNTS PAID BY YOU TO USE THE ULTIMA ONLINE SERVICE.
The rules are:
You may not harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress,
unwanted attention or discomfort to another player.
You may not use any offensive or sexually explicit language.
You may not use any unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive,
harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, hateful, racially,
ethnically or otherwise objectionable language toward any
other player.
You may not impersonate any Ultima Online Customer Support
representative or other employee of Origin Systems.
You may not market, promote or advertise anything, or make any
other form of solicitaion (including pyramid schemes and chain
letters) on the Ultima Online Service or through the Ultima
Online Web Site.
You may not violate any local, state, national or international
law or regulation.
You may not modify any part of the Ultima Online Service or
Web Site that Origin Systems does not specifically authorize
you to modify.
You may not arrange for the exchange or transfer of any
pirated software or other contraband while you are on the
Ultima Online Service or Web Site, or use the Ultima Online
Service or Web Site for any other illegal purpose.
You may not organize any guilds or groups that are based on, or
espouse, any racist, sexist, anti-religious, anti-ethnic, anti-gay,
or other hate-mongering philosophy.
You may not use the Ultima Online Service or the Ultima Online
Web Site for any activities other than activities that are
permitted within the game world.
You may not post or communicate any player's real world
personal information within the Ultima Online Service or
through the Ultima Online Web Site or bulletin board.
You may not give false information or intentionally hide any
information that is required at the time you register with the
Ultima Online Service.
You will not upload or transmit on the Ultima Online Service, or
through the Ultima Online Web Site or bulletin board, any
copyrighted content that you do not own all rights to, unless
you have the express written permission of the author or
copyright holder.
YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU AGREE TO THESE RULES AND WILL
ABIDE BY THEM.
YOU FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ARE AT LEAST 18 YEARS OLD.
YOU FURTHER AGREE THAT THESE RULES WILL APPLY TO ANYONE
THAT YOU ALLOW TO USE YOUR ULTIMA ONLINE ACCOUNT OR USER
ID, AND THAT YOU ARE PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
CONSEQUENCES (INCLUDING TERMINATION OF YOUR ACCOUNT)
THAT MAY RESULT IF ANY SUCH PERSON BREAKS THESE RULES.
YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IF YOUR ACCOUNT AND RIGHT TO USE THE
ULTIMA ONLINE SERVICE IS TERMINATED BY ORIGIN SYSTEMS FOR
ANY REASON, YOU WILL NOT BE ENTITLED TO A REFUND OF ANY
FEES PAID BY YOU FOR USE OF THE ULTIMA ONLINE SERVICE.
THESE RULES MAY BE CHANGED, AND NEW RULES MAY BE ADDED, AT
ANY TIME. YOU AGREE TO CHECK THE ULTIMA ONLINE WEB SITE
FROM TIME TO TIME TO REVIEW ANY RULE CHANGES THAT ORIGIN
MAY HAVE MADE.
YOU AGREE TO READ CAREFULLY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS SET
FORTH IN THE ULTIMA ONLINE SERVICE AGREEMENT THAT IS
POSTED ON THE WEB SITE AT URL http://www.ultimaonline.com
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I am specifically addressing violations of the following three rules.
You _____may not______ harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress,
unwanted attention or discomfort to another player.
You may not _____use_____ any offensive or sexually explicit language.
You may not _____use_____ any unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive,
harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, hateful, racially,
ethnically or otherwise objectionable language toward any
other player.
These rules clearly define that any language that is considered abusive in any
way by anyone __MAY NOT BE USED__ by any players.
Next simply read the capitalized section which outlines the penalties for
breaking the rules. These include termination of the acount.
Now following is a story related by Eryn O'Gunnach outline such abuses.
This material was posted in this public news group.
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Tonight, I actually encountered a situation where I thought about
leaving UO.
After entering the tailor shoppe in Magincia (Ches Shard) I saw a man on
a horse attacking a hind (in TOWN!). So being the good citizen I am, I
called out "Guards! A crime is occuring!!!". A person named "buba"
(really, I'm trying not to be rude here) decided that I was "trying to
get them killed" and that I should "shut the fuck up cunt". I told the
boy to leave me alone and went about my business. After another stream
of words you wouldn't hear from a sailor he said "i'll be right back,
I'm gonna fuck you up". Thinking I was safe I continued to ply my
tailoring trade...
About ten minutes later a person appeared in the door and shouted "die
cunt!!!". I hit all names and low and behold he was named "erynsapussy"
(wow my character name is Eryn O'Gunach, what a surprise). He proceeds
to throw in some potions (and is imeadiately cut down by the guards). I
survived the first blast, but the next two felled me.
The looting by his friends (Vandis and Blackstone) took a few seconds.
And then the hazing resumed: "cunt, pussy, now you're no better than a
newbie". I figure now is the time to turn the other cheek and call the
GM. Does he _ever_ show? You guessed it. Killed by a mule. Then
subjected to what in my workplace would get someone fired. And do I
hear from the GMs after calling 3 times?!? No.
This is almost it. If it weren't for a group of friends known as the
"knights of ni" (a guild I just joined) and a healthy bank account, I
would cancel my account tonight. But I have learned my lesson:
Why bother interacting, it only gets you killed..... Besides, I suppose
that being called a whore/cunt/slut/bitch is the correct way for a woman
to be treated...
Eryn O'Gunnach
Destitute Tailor of Yew
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Now there is a very simple way to prove this stuff. Each character
keeps a journal of the text that they see on the screen. I know that this
journal keeps at the very least the last few minutes of conversations.
Allow players to submit the contentes of their journals to OSI. Upon submission
there should be a stamp placed on the journal with reguards to the time
and place of the offense. Now that characters require 7 days to delete,
there should be little trouble in tracking down the offenders. Suspend them.
If it happens again, cancel their account. End of story.
Wags
harlequin
Wags wrote
> Suspend them. If it happens again, cancel their account. End of story.
I think that wiping all of his/her characters on all servers on first
offense should be added. Let the person know that this is serious (as it
is, game or not).
Robert Lacker
[Irrelevant stuff snipped throughout]
| When you are logged on to the Ultima Online Service, you
must abide by the
| following rules. IF YOU BREAK ANY OF THESE RULES, YOUR
ULTIMA
| ONLINE ACCOUNT, AND YOUR RIGHT TO USE THE ULTIMA ONLINE
| SERVICE, MAY BE TERMINATED IMMEDIATELY BY ORIGIN SYSTEMS.
| IF THIS HAPPENS, YOU WILL NOT BE ENTITLED TO ANY REFUND OF
| ANY AMOUNTS PAID BY YOU TO USE THE ULTIMA ONLINE SERVICE.
|
| The rules are:
|
| You may not post or communicate any player's real
world
| personal information within the Ultima Online Service
or
| through the Ultima Online Web Site or bulletin board.
|
|
| Allow players to submit the contentes of their journals to OSI. Upon
submission
| there should be a stamp placed on the journal with reguards to the time
| and place of the offense. Now that characters require 7 days to delete,
| there should be little trouble in tracking down the offenders. Suspend
them.
| If it happens again, cancel their account. End of story.
|
| Wags
Hey, good idea! We should keep this rule strict too! I'm going to go around
asking PKers "hey, what country do you live in?" Then, when they answer,
they are posting their own personal information! AGAINST THE RULES!! Then
we can kick them off and wipe their characters and sue them for breach of
contract!
Remember, legitimate people out there: Don't give away your personal
information! Wags wants to make it a crime!
Jag
On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:53:06 -0700, "harlequin" <harl...@wazoo.com>
wrote:
>
>Wags wrote
>> Suspend them. If it happens again, cancel their account. End of story.
>
> I think that wiping all of his/her characters on all servers on first
>offense should be added. Let the person know that this is serious (as it
>is, game or not).
>
>
From posts and my personal exposure to via overhearing
conversations I don't think the GM checks and balances system is in
place (like it ever will be). To encourage character wiping for any
reason is only asking for abuse of it. I think character wiping should
be frowned on in any sense. You are not only destroying what someone
paid to create but are robbing other players who have interaction with
said character as well and punishing those players. Character wiping
is not the solution. And in my experience is more of a means to cause
duress to people rather than punish them for an offense. GMs on a pay
service should handle extreme abuse situations with jailing (again
abuseable power), if that doesn't work submit a reason why the
player's account should be terminated and focus on game stopping
issues. They should also answer EVERY call and inform the calling
player what action will be taken if any and if not why. otherwise
they should mind thier own business and not help friends by spawning
monsters and using other powers. We are indirectly paying them to
maintain playability, not to be baby sitters. In cases of verbal abuse
simply squelching a player has enough of an effect (already abused by
a gm and posted about). The OSI GM staff for the most part has earned
very little clout as being able to judge situations and deal out
appropriate on the fly solutions via punishments when focusing on
player behavior. From the mishandling of the Rainz incident to
spawning monsters when players taunt them. Asking this same staff to
do even more damaging acts in the guise of enforcement is like paying
Charles Manson to babysit.
Jag
Wags
Robert Lacker wrote:
>
> Hey, good idea! We should keep this rule strict too! I'm going to go around
> asking PKers "hey, what country do you live in?" Then, when they answer,
> they are posting their own personal information! AGAINST THE RULES!! Then
> we can kick them off and wipe their characters and sue them for breach of
> contract!
>
> Remember, legitimate people out there: Don't give away your personal
> information! Wags wants to make it a crime!
Did you happen to read what rules I was addressing? I mentioned specifically
the rules about abusive language. And the story that brought that up was
specifically about abusive language. I included the entire Terms/Conditions
only for validity and completeness. Don't miss quote me. I made no mention
about the other rules. I was speaking only of the abuse issue because several
people have been offended by it. Why did you waste the bandwidth to post
this flame?
Wags
Wags
the flame?
Wags
Lou Zucaro
First, let me state that I *agree* that if those are the rules, they
should be enforced.
However, the language filter is important because you might be offended
by a much larger vocabulary of words than I, for instance.
In that sense, I *do* believe that it's up to the player to take care of
him or herself. The policy, like many laws, is there for when a
situation arises that needs to be taken care of.
In article <65f48e$iv0$1...@jake.probe.net>, fa...@probe.net says...
> The point is not the language filter--that puts the entire burden upon the
> victim. Why should I spend the time thinking up every dirty word I can and
> adding them to the filter. Then add more each night as hormone-crazed
> pre-teen jerks do their best to ruin my gaming experience.
>
> The point is that Origin spelled out a code of conduct. A code of conduct
> all of us were required to accept before playing the game. Origin made the
> rules, and it is up to them to enforce the rules. What possible excuse can
> there be for not responding to GM calls of this nature? Abuse reports
> should take even higher priority than "can't move in the world" reports.
>
> By canceling the accounts of those who lied when they agreed to the code of
> conduct, the gaming experience will be enhanced in several ways: first,
> those who choose to role-play will cease to be abused (verbally, at least)
> by those who choose not to; and second, the servers will be a lot less
> crowded, at least initially, as hundreds upon hundreds of accounts are
> cancelled.
>
> Bottom line: display the rules, then enforce them rigorously.
Canticle
Lou Zucaro <l...@pause.com>
: By the way, how do you get people to not use abusive language in real
: life?
The fact that's its considered sexual harrassment or just plain harrassment
and that you can get arrested or fined for it.
Try calling someone a 'fucking bitch cunt' in a public place, see how well
you do.
Try walking up to a man and calling him a nigger.
Society has lots of ways of dealing with pueling little morons. UO needs
them to.
Jeff-boy
Todd Fallert
So let me get this straight. If I am fighting an orc, and I haven't hit
him for like 7 straight hits, and I say, "Why the fuck cant I hit him?"
I should be wiped for that.
For Christ sake, If it is offensive, chose to ignore it. I won't go out
of my way to say phuck you or anything. But I will cuss like I do in
real life. If I am fighting an orc down in front of my apartment, and
my viking sword keeps missing the 5'10" muscular monster, then I will
cuss about my bad swordsmanship skills, or wonder why there is an orc in
front of my apartment and why I can't hit him with a 4 foot sword.
If someone is seriously bothering you, then just leave. Or ignore
them. They are trying to get under your skin, and you are letting
them.
I can't believe this thread was even started.
Brian Knotts
On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:08:55 -0500, Wags wrote:
:>I am starting this thread in an attempt to send a message
:>to OSI in reguards to abusive language and actions in the
:>game. I want them to be held strictly to the terms that
:>they set out about such online abuses. I want those people
:>that violate this policy suspended or banned.
:>
:>Please post to this tread in support of this movement.
:>
:>Wags.
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Lou Zucaro
In article <01bcf9e0$8d4c2720$613f...@canticle.mbnet.mb.ca>,
cant...@escape.ca says...
You seem to suffer from a common problem...
Did I ask you to post a message with offensive language? Did the
original poster explain the specific nature of his frustration and why he
wanted people to join him?
If you're going to start a rally, at least let people know what they're
joining.
Congratulations on stooping to the low-life level of the people you're
complaining about...
Michael S. Hoenie
You can set your language setting ON in uo.cfg (My UOUTIL program coming
December 1st will help you with all the settings in this file + a lot more) and
this will help.
I do hate it when the armory is crowded and everyone is yelling, "Get the
%#)(@#% out of the way". And it doesn't help when some idiot is standing by the
door closing it each time it is opened... Pretty lame.
Brian Knotts wrote:
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Hung Nguyen
Wags (mwa...@iriscorp.com) wrote:
> I am starting this thread in an attempt to send a message
> to OSI in reguards to abusive language and actions in the
> game. I want them to be held strictly to the terms that
> they set out about such online abuses. I want those people
> that violate this policy suspended or banned.
> Please post to this tread in support of this movement.
> Wags.
I don't think abuseive language is the big problem of UO. If i was pissed
off at someone who just pked me and took all my hard earned stuff then you
bet I'll use all the abusive languate i know
harlequin
Hung Nguyen wrote
>I don't think abuseive language is the big problem of UO. If i was pissed
>off at someone who just pked me and took all my hard earned stuff then you
>bet I'll use all the abusive languate i know
What a lame attempt at justifying an immoral action (and in this case,
violating your agreement with UO).
If you read Eryn O'Gunnach account of what happened you will see what the
problem is. Bugs and lag are problems that should be addressed. Harassment
is a problem that shouldn't need to be addressed because it shouldn't BE.
Lizard
In article <347B3B...@ninenet.com>, Todd Fallert <tfal...@ninenet.com> wrote:
>So let me get this straight. If I am fighting an orc, and I haven't hit
>him for like 7 straight hits, and I say, "Why the fuck cant I hit him?"
>I should be wiped for that.
No. If you go into a town (where you can't be wonked on the head) and start
following around every female PC saying "hey babe wann fuck?" and far more,
you should be wiped.
Screaming in rage as you battle an orc is totally fine. (Though try to come up
with something more imaginative..I usually shout 'Hold still, monster, that I
may drink thy blood!') Harassing women online because, in real life, you're
scared to get within ten feet of one, is not -- especially when they are
paying money for the privilege of being followed around by an idiot. OSI needs
to make money on UO, and players quitting because OSI won't reign in the
assholes isn't going to make the money.
UO isn't a public forum like Usenet -- it's a piece of private property, and
the owners of that property have a right to create a certain atmosphere. It's
like a restauraunts where a jacket and tie is required.
Christine Fontaine
On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:53:06 -0700, "harlequin" <harl...@wazoo.com> wrote:
>
>Wags wrote
>> Suspend them. If it happens again, cancel their account. End of story.
>
> I think that wiping all of his/her characters on all servers on first
>offense should be added. Let the person know that this is serious (as it
>is, game or not).
I like this idea. Wipe their characters for a first offense, then suspend them,
then cancel their account.
Caitlin, Master Bard on the GL shard
MachinSoul
>So let me get this straight. If I am fighting an orc, and I haven't hit
>him for like 7 straight hits, and I say, "Why the fuck cant I hit him?"
>I should be wiped for that.
>
>of my way to say phuck you or anything. But I will cuss like I do in
>real life. If I am fighting an orc down in front of my apartment, and
>my viking sword keeps missing the 5'10" muscular monster, then I will
>cuss about my bad swordsmanship skills, or wonder why there is an orc in
>front of my apartment and why I can't hit him with a 4 foot sword.
>
sometimes break charactor and swear my ass off, too, but I don't do it in a way
that is specifically geared to be insulting, harassing, offensive. "You are
the fucking inscribing man, m'man!" or "What the fuck is with me spending two
grand on reagents and not getting a fucking point of magery" is different, IMO,
from "fuck you you stupid bitch cunt."
Millennial Dragon
Wags <mwa...@iriscorp.com> wrote in article
<347B0627...@iriscorp.com>...
> I am starting this thread in an attempt to send a message
> to OSI in reguards to abusive language and actions in the
> game. I want them to be held strictly to the terms that
> they set out about such online abuses. I want those people
> that violate this policy suspended or banned.
>
> Please post to this tread in support of this movement.
>
> Wags.
Well, you have voiced out something which I feel needs to be
actually put to action by OSI. Alot of those in defence of 'free
speech' do not understand that freedom comes with a responsibility,
if you do not use it responsibly, then this right should be forfeit.
Well, that's the preaching-bit.
Millennium Dragon
PS. Do you think a reduction in foul mannered Britannians would
also reduce the incidences of destructive behaviour, like random
killings and such?
Mike Laferriere
> Why did you waste the bandwidth to post
> the flame?
>
Because he's not old enough to understand a thing of your post
> Wags
>
Hung Nguyen
harlequin (harl...@wazoo.com) wrote:
> Hung Nguyen wrote
> >I don't think abuseive language is the big problem of UO. If i was pissed
> >off at someone who just pked me and took all my hard earned stuff then you
> >bet I'll use all the abusive languate i know
> What a lame attempt at justifying an immoral action (and in this case,
> violating your agreement with UO).
Excuse me, since when is profanity an immoral act? and violating my agreement
with UO? Has UO /OSI been keeping their agreement (lag, crash, bug, customer
support....)?
> If you read Eryn O'Gunnach account of what happened you will see what the
> problem is. Bugs and lag are problems that should be addressed. Harassment
> is a problem that shouldn't need to be addressed because it shouldn't BE.
I am not aware of Eryn's account, but being pissed at someone for pking me
is harassment? while the person who pked me is not?
Just for the record, I have never in my UO life come up to someone and use
any kind of profanity. I have however let it all out the last 6 times when
I was pked.
Jennifer Keenan
Lizard, you took the words right out of my mouth.
>
>Screaming in rage as you battle an orc is totally fine. (Though try to come
up
>with something more imaginative..I usually shout 'Hold still, monster, that
I
>may drink thy blood!') Harassing women online because, in real life, you're
>scared to get within ten feet of one, is not -- especially when they are
>paying money for the privilege of being followed around by an idiot. OSI
needs
>to make money on UO, and players quitting because OSI won't reign in the
>assholes isn't going to make the money.
This is a minor example, but it really made me angry at the time - last
night I was running into Vesper and ran head on into a naked guy. I moved to
the side, he moved to the same side. Lag made me unable to see which way he
was trying to turn, so I inadvertently turned in front of him a couple of
times. Big deal, right? Well, it was to him. He started in on me "Move
bitch, wtf you doing?" etc. I'm thinking "Look buddy, this is as close to a
girl as you're ever gonna get, so slow down and appreciate it." This kind of
snottiness I don't need - if this person had talked to someone like that in
real life, say school or the workplace, he would have been reprimanded
somehow. I suppose he was just "role-playing" a dork, and in real life he's
quite a gentleman.
>
>UO isn't a public forum like Usenet -- it's a piece of private property,
and
>the owners of that property have a right to create a certain atmosphere.
It's
>like a restauraunts where a jacket and tie is required.
HUZZAH! Origin published the rules and they should enforce them. If a player
didn't read the rules before he/she logged on, that's not Origin's fault,
and it shouldn't be polite players' problem either.
Jennifer K.
Millennial Dragon
> You seem to suffer from a common problem...
>
> Did I ask you to post a message with offensive language? Did the
> original poster explain the specific nature of his frustration and why he
> wanted people to join him?
>
> If you're going to start a rally, at least let people know what they're
> joining.
>
> Congratulations on stooping to the low-life level of the people you're
> complaining about...
Hmmm... Alot of you don't seem to follow the threads in this newsgroup
to closely, so that is probably why you do not recall the reason this
thread
was started....
It was started in response to a complaint by a female gamer on UO, who
was sexually harassed by some other players who thought it was an
acceptable way of "exhibiting their frustration"
To quote, Eryn O'Gunnach Destitute Tailor of Yew:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
After entering the tailor shoppe in Magincia (Ches Shard) I saw a man
on horse attacking a hind (in TOWN!). So being the good citizen I am,
I alled out "Guards! A crime is occuring!!!". A person named "buba"
(really, I'm trying not to be rude here) decided that I was "trying to
get them killed" and that I should "shut the fuck up cunt".
About ten minutes later a person appeared in the door and shouted "die
cunt!!!". I hit all names and low and behold he was named "erynsapussy"
(wow my character name is Eryn O'Gunach, what a surprise). He proceeds
to throw in some potions (and is imeadiately cut down by the guards). I
survived the first blast, but the next two felled me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
This is followed by further examples of sublimated (to use a Freudian
term) frustration exhibited in verbal ejaculations (The *original*meaning
of that word, which many of you probably are unaware of, so look it
up in your dictionaries)
Alot of you say that if you swear while you are feeling frustrated, it is
okay. Fair enough, I agree, as long as your swearing is not targeted to
offend someone else. BUT, that is not the case here. The person
was feeling frustrated at someone else, so he swears and calls her
derogatory names, and then proceeds to harass her by creating a mule
character to verbally abuse and kill her. Clearly your examples are out
of context here.
Freedom of speech is well and good, but when your freedom starts
infringing on somebody else's rights, I think that whatever rights you
might have, should be forfeit.
-Millennium Dragon
PS. Read all related threads before posting.
Wags
In article <01bcf9f5$4cc4c940$9283...@teoj.chch.ox.ac.uk.ox.ac.uk>,
<snip>
> PS. Do you think a reduction in foul mannered Britannians would
> also reduce the incidences of destructive behaviour, like random
> killings and such?
>
Millennium Dragon,
Thanks for your support, and to all of those that champion this just
cause. I don't want to make any sweeping generalization, but I believe
that many of the people responsible for such reproachable language would
be the very same that strive to ruin our lives with random killings. Two
birds with one stone, aye?
Wags
Wags
In article <347B435C...@bonnevilletitle.com>,
mho...@bonnevilletitle.com says...
> You can set your language setting ON in uo.cfg (My UOUTIL program coming
> December 1st will help you with all the settings in this file + a lot more) and
> this will help.
I am well aware of the language filter. But reading the abuse language
or reading &*^%^% is not really the point. I want abuse people out of
the game, because OSI has promised in their Terms and Conditions that
this behaviour would not be tolerated.
Wags
Wags
In article <65flei$j8o$1...@amdint.amd.com>, hu...@cmdmail.amd.com says...
> I am not aware of Eryn's account, but being pissed at someone for pking me
> is harassment? while the person who pked me is not?
Maybe you should read the hole post. I put everything in a post a while
back. Eryn's account and OSI Terms and Conditions.
Using profanity is not the problem. And I don't think that harassment is
widespread. There are a few isolated events, and offenders should be
dealt with swiftly and harshly.
Wags
harlequin
Lizard wrote
>Todd Fallert <tfal...@ninenet.com> wrote:
>>So let me get this straight. If I am fighting an orc, and I haven't hit
>>him for like 7 straight hits, and I say, "Why the fuck cant I hit him?"
>>I should be wiped for that.
>
>No. If you go into a town (where you can't be wonked on the head) and start
>following around every female PC saying "hey babe wann fuck?" and far more,
>you should be wiped.
>
"You may not use any offensive or sexually explicit language. "
I doubt that your orc would find your language offensive ;)
"You may not use any unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive,
harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, hateful,
racially,
ethnically or otherwise objectionable language toward any
other **player**."
There are a great many people who find obscene language offensive when it
is directed at them or other people. If you want to sit in a corner and
swear at yourself, I will not object. If you wish to harass other players
with racial/sexist comments I mind a great deal. It is possible to be
objectionable in-character, enhancing game play. No problem with that.
Tobias
In truth I believe this could be THE issue that really get's OSI off their
asses and makes them deal with the anti-social players in this game. In
this day of 'political correctness' certain things are dimly viewed in the
courts: sexual harrasment and racism are at the top of the list. And guess
what: to not ACTIVELY stop such activity when it rears it's head has long
been established as complicity in the acts. So, OSI, you better get moving.
When this issue hits a court of law it will be too damn late.
--
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(appearing in Ultima Online/Lake Superior as Tobias Esque)
Visit my website at www.geocities.com/Area51/Zone/5968
Wags wrote in message ...
end
Susan
alt.religion.kibology
What is "kibology"?
>I am well aware of the language filter. But reading the abuse language
>or reading &*^%^% is not really the point. I want abuse people out of
>the game, because OSI has promised in their Terms and Conditions that
>this behaviour would not be tolerated.
As I understand things, as OSI slowly manages to "balance" the
game the PKers will decrease (because they are what is out of balance)
and along with them will go much of the foul language. When good and
bad both have a real interest in role-playing this graphic MUD then UO
will be finally on track. I think this is where OSI is heading it but
it is a slow process and impatience in and out of the game does not
help - especially when you are all paying to help. I think for most
complaining has worn off. It hasn't done and won't do much good. :)
* Susan * <Sus...@fix.net>
Vortex
In article <65f48e$iv0$1...@jake.probe.net>, John Hughes
says...
I'd just like to add to this that the language
filter does not _eliminate_ the offense. If someone
gives you the finger, you've still been insulted and
offended. You certainly don't need to hear, or in this
case read, the words in order to know that that
individual is in fact being offensive and is acting in
direct violation of OSI's conduct rules.
The filter is irrelevant and has no bearing on this
discussion whatsoever. When online, #$%& *&^ conveys
the exact same meaning as the words for which it is
hiding..."that you've just been insulted/offended."
> The point is not the language filter--that puts the entire burden upon the
> victim. Why should I spend the time thinking up every dirty word I can and
> adding them to the filter. Then add more each night as hormone-crazed
> pre-teen jerks do their best to ruin my gaming experience.
>
> The point is that Origin spelled out a code of conduct. A code of conduct
> all of us were required to accept before playing the game. Origin made the
> rules, and it is up to them to enforce the rules. What possible excuse can
> there be for not responding to GM calls of this nature? Abuse reports
> should take even higher priority than "can't move in the world" reports.
>
> By canceling the accounts of those who lied when they agreed to the code of
> conduct, the gaming experience will be enhanced in several ways: first,
> those who choose to role-play will cease to be abused (verbally, at least)
> by those who choose not to; and second, the servers will be a lot less
> crowded, at least initially, as hundreds upon hundreds of accounts are
> cancelled.
>
> Bottom line: display the rules, then enforce them rigorously.
>
>
> Silvershadow
> Lake Superior Shard
>
>
> Lou Zucaro wrote in message ...
> {Clip}
> >Why don't you just turn on your language filter?
> >
> >By the way, how do you get people to not use abusive language in real
> >life?
> >
> >--
> >
> >Lou Zucaro
> >Editor, Pause Magazine
> >
> >http://www.pause.com
> >
> >"In the spring we'd make meat helmets."
>
>
>
--
Vortex
*********************
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*********************
Susan
>>alt.religion.kibology
>> What is "kibology"?
>Twenty bucks, same as in town.
>
>Eddie
I don't feel like subscribing to some religion newsgroup. It was
a simple question - What is "kibology". I don't understand your
answer, if that was an answer Eddie. I hope this isn't something that
I obviously should know about - how degrading.
* Susan * <Sus...@fix.net>
Simon Mittag
have you tried making yourself a big censorship list in your language
censoring menu?
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Leah Verre
Brian Knotts <bkn...@europa.com> wrote in article
<evvqasoqbyt...@sausage.europa.com>...
> On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:08:55 -0500, Wags wrote:
>
> :>I am starting this thread in an attempt to send a message
> :>to OSI in reguards to abusive language and actions in the
> :>game. I want them to be held strictly to the terms that
> :>they set out about such online abuses. I want those people
> :>that violate this policy suspended or banned.
> :>
> :>Please post to this tread in support of this movement.
> :>
> :>Wags.
Dear Mr. Wags,
I am responsing to this fucking tread.
I too would like to keep this game free of bad fucking language. Please be
responsing back as soon as possible.
Thank you and shit.
-Leah
Leah Verre
uhh ... heh.
See .. there's this newsgroup I'm on .. and uh, see it's kinda KOOKY, you
might say. And see, sometimes people there enjoy grabbing threads from
other newsgroups and crossposting them. And I'm so incredibly witty that I
just had to respond to one of these and uh .. didn't realise it was being
crossposted back to y'all ..
*cough*
so uh .. I'll just go away and leave you gamers to your game things. Sorry
for being annoying. Don't turn me into the language police please. Thank
you.
-Leah
Leah Verre <leahv.ba...@badaddress.humongous.com> wrote in article
<01bcfa0c$37443620$ee43facc@HE-HDNW01>...
Tlerll
In article <347B435C...@bonnevilletitle.com>,
Michael S. Hoenie <mho...@bonnevilletitle.com> wrote:
<off-topicness snipped>
Stop crossposting this junk to alt.religion.kibology. This newsgroup
is for SERIOUS DISCUSSION of the Metaphysical Imlications of Mentos
Addiction, not your stupid video games. Thank you.
--
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Eddie Saxe
In article <34809ae7....@news.fix.net>, Susan <Sus...@fix.net> wrote:
>alt.religion.kibology
>
> What is "kibology"?
Twenty bucks, same as in town.
Eddie
--
Give a man an inch, and he'll try to park his car in it.
dski...@ix.netcom.com
Wags <mwa...@iriscorp.com> wrote:
>I am starting this thread in an attempt to send a message
>to OSI in reguards to abusive language and actions in the
>game. I want them to be held strictly to the terms that
>they set out about such online abuses. I want those people
>that violate this policy suspended or banned.
>Please post to this tread in support of this movement.
>Wags.
I agree people who use excessive language should be banned, a gm can
be called and your log saved to rpove what was said, your log is saved
somewhere, they should be able to acess it or you could send them the
log file or something, I am not that famililar with programming
issues, but Sings should definately be monitored and removed if they
are offensive, that at least is easy houses with signs with offensive
language should be destroyed and the owners are out of luck people
should know better this is a game played by all ages and groups.
KI
Atlantic.
Bara E. Minata
That was cheap Robert, really cheap.
--- snip, snip, snip ---
>[Irrelevant stuff snipped throughout]
>
>| When you are logged on to the Ultima Online Service, you
>must abide by the
>| following rules. IF YOU BREAK ANY OF THESE RULES, YOUR
>ULTIMA
>| ONLINE ACCOUNT, AND YOUR RIGHT TO USE THE ULTIMA ONLINE
>| SERVICE, MAY BE TERMINATED IMMEDIATELY BY ORIGIN SYSTEMS.
>| IF THIS HAPPENS, YOU WILL NOT BE ENTITLED TO ANY REFUND OF
>| ANY AMOUNTS PAID BY YOU TO USE THE ULTIMA ONLINE SERVICE.
>|
>| The rules are:
>|
>| You may not post or communicate any player's real
>world
>| personal information within the Ultima Online Service
>or
>| through the Ultima Online Web Site or bulletin board.
>|
>|
>| Allow players to submit the contentes of their journals to OSI. Upon
>submission
>| there should be a stamp placed on the journal with reguards to the time
>| and place of the offense. Now that characters require 7 days to delete,
>| there should be little trouble in tracking down the offenders. Suspend
>them.
>| If it happens again, cancel their account. End of story.
>|
>| Wags
>
>Hey, good idea! We should keep this rule strict too! I'm going to go around
>asking PKers "hey, what country do you live in?" Then, when they answer,
>they are posting their own personal information! AGAINST THE RULES!! Then
>we can kick them off and wipe their characters and sue them for breach of
>contract!
>
>Remember, legitimate people out there: Don't give away your personal
>information! Wags wants to make it a crime!
Bara E. Minata
bmi...@godshome.org
---------------------------------------------------------------
"Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes."
- If you can read this, you're overeducated.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Bara E. Minata
I believe there's a general consensus on what's abusive or not. Most
people (me included) won't call your example abusive.
BUT
What happened to O'Gunnach IS abusive. I believe most people will
agree with that.
--- snip, snip, snip ---
>So let me get this straight. If I am fighting an orc, and I haven't hit
>him for like 7 straight hits, and I say, "Why the fuck cant I hit him?"
>I should be wiped for that.
>
>For Christ sake, If it is offensive, chose to ignore it. I won't go out
>of my way to say phuck you or anything. But I will cuss like I do in
>real life. If I am fighting an orc down in front of my apartment, and
>my viking sword keeps missing the 5'10" muscular monster, then I will
>cuss about my bad swordsmanship skills, or wonder why there is an orc in
>front of my apartment and why I can't hit him with a 4 foot sword.
>
>If someone is seriously bothering you, then just leave. Or ignore
>them. They are trying to get under your skin, and you are letting
>them.
>
>I can't believe this thread was even started.
David Thompson
Let's just call the game Barney Online.
What the original poster suffered from was harassment and this
should be dealt with. OSI should take that kind of thing very
seriously. But the language you deem "excessive" is not what others
would consider so, so spare us your moral judgements.
Oh, and spare us the "save the children!" line too. Re-read that
Terms and Conditions page...note the "YOU FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU
ARE AT LEAST 18 YEARS OLD" section. If you as a parent choose to let
your kid play the game, then that's YOUR responsibility, not
mine...I'm not going to modify my way of playing because of your
child's delicate ears.
Jag
On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:51:44 -0800, Sus...@fix.net (Susan) wrote:
>help - especially when you are all paying to help. I think for most
>complaining has worn off. It hasn't done and won't do much good. :)
>
> * Susan * <Sus...@fix.net>
I wouldn't be so sure of either of those statments. :-)
Jag
Eddie Saxe
In article <347bc36a...@news.fix.net>, Susan <Sus...@fix.net> wrote:
>>>alt.religion.kibology
>
>>> What is "kibology"?
>
>>Twenty bucks, same as in town.
>>
>>Eddie
>
>a simple question - What is "kibology". I don't understand your
>answer, if that was an answer Eddie. I hope this isn't something that
>I obviously should know about - how degrading.
IHBT. IHL. I abase myself before the Kibological resources present in my
correspondent. I am unworthy.
MAJOR FATALITY!
MachinSoul
>> You can set your language setting ON in uo.cfg (My UOUTIL program coming
>> December 1st will help you with all the settings in this file + a lot more)
>and
>> this will help.
>
>or reading &*^%^% is not really the point. I want abuse people out of
>the game, because OSI has promised in their Terms and Conditions that
>this behaviour would not be tolerated.
>
>
Two funny stories come to mind with the language filter.
When I had it on, I noticed a lizard man named "$%&*ha" I turned it off and
found that he was "shitha". Odd. I killed him.
With my language filter off.
I was in a dungeon with an honest-to-god good roleplaying rougue friend of
mine( a rarity) , and told him to pick the lock of some chest or box or
something, a lot of people were around, so I said "Thou shouldst be hasty in
snatching the treasure, lest others take that which we fought for."
"What???" He replied.
I repeated my statement.
He said "What are you saying, "fucking the treasure?"
Turns out he had his filter on and "snatch" came through as a vulgarity.
Aradiel de Raven, Paladin, LS shard.
Susan
>>So let me get this straight. If I am fighting an orc, and I haven't hit
First of all loose tongue ones, that word as you have spelled it,
is in everyone's filter which I think is turned on by default, so why
should I be offended if all I see is @#$% or whatever it displays as?
Furthermore there is a _big_ difference too in how often someone uses
this language and what specific words are used and when. Hopefully I
won't ask you, "What did you say?" :) And, if you spell it "@#%"
then maybe you are asking for trouble? And there _are_ other words
you can use in even poorer taste too. If you are looking to use the
language as frequently among strangers as you possibly can then YES,
you are a candidate. Anyone so fascinated in speaking this way should
look up the old world spelling of the words perhaps and apply them
properly relative to their characters role.
>UO isn't a public forum like Usenet -- it's a piece of private property, and
>the owners of that property have a right to create a certain atmosphere. It's
>like a restaurant where a jacket and tie is required.
Unfortunately I see these words flowing more freely here on the
newsgroup then in UO. Of course it have been weeks now since I was
last on UO and I understand that things are worse. Regardless though
of whether UO is public or private OSI _did_ include these subjects in
their list of DO NOTs. If their intentions where DO NOT but Don't Ask
and Don't Tell then there are some things out of balance outside of
the UO realm too that they could clean up a lot faster then balancing
anything in UO.
* Susan * <Sus...@fix.net>
Susan
>>>> What is "kibology"?
>IHBT. IHL. I abase myself before the Kibological resources present in my
>correspondent. I am unworthy.
>
>MAJOR FATALITY!
Still not willing to make any sense? Well, never mind then, or
mind it as you please.
* Susan * <Sus...@fix.net>
MachinSoul
>I am starting this thread in an attempt to send a message
>to OSI in reguards to abusive language and actions in the
>game. I want them to be held strictly to the terms that
>they set out about such online abuses. I want those people
>that violate this policy suspended or banned.
>
>Please post to this tread in support of this movement.
>
times because of mouth breathing idiots.
-Rad
harlequin
Lou Zucaro wrote
> Did the
>original poster explain the specific nature of his frustration and why he
>wanted people to join him?
>
>If you're going to start a rally, at least let people know what they're
>joining.
Yes, Wags did say what this was all about. He even reposted an account
by Eryn O'Gunnach of .... well see for yourself. I have reposted the
pertinent parts of Wags post for you.
This is Wags post describing what this thread is all about:
It seems that I did not make myself clear enough. Allow me
to justify this thread.
Following is OSI Terms and Conditions. Please read this thoroughly.
I got this right of the web page. If you want to see it there, choose
to modify your account, then click the Terms/Conditions button.
<snipped for brevity>
I am specifically addressing violations of the following three rules.
You _____may not______ harass, threaten, embarrass or
cause distress,
unwanted attention or discomfort to another player.
You may not _____use_____ any offensive or sexually
explicit language.
You may not _____use_____ any unlawful, harmful,
threatening, abusive,
harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, hateful,
racially,
ethnically or otherwise objectionable language toward any
other player.
These rules clearly define that any language that is considered abusive in
any
way by anyone __MAY NOT BE USED__ by any players.
Next simply read the capitalized section which outlines the penalties for
breaking the rules. These include termination of the acount.
Now following is a story related by Eryn O'Gunnach outline such abuses.
This material was posted in this public news group.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Tonight, I actually encountered a situation where I thought about
leaving UO.
After entering the tailor shoppe in Magincia (Ches Shard) I saw a man on
a horse attacking a hind (in TOWN!). So being the good citizen I am, I
called out "Guards! A crime is occuring!!!". A person named "buba"
(really, I'm trying not to be rude here) decided that I was "trying to
get them killed" and that I should "shut the fuck up cunt". I told the
boy to leave me alone and went about my business. After another stream
of words you wouldn't hear from a sailor he said "i'll be right back,
I'm gonna fuck you up". Thinking I was safe I continued to ply my
tailoring trade...
About ten minutes later a person appeared in the door and shouted "die
cunt!!!". I hit all names and low and behold he was named "erynsapussy"
(wow my character name is Eryn O'Gunach, what a surprise). He proceeds
to throw in some potions (and is imeadiately cut down by the guards). I
survived the first blast, but the next two felled me.
The looting by his friends (Vandis and Blackstone) took a few seconds.
And then the hazing resumed: "cunt, pussy, now you're no better than a
newbie". I figure now is the time to turn the other cheek and call the
GM. Does he _ever_ show? You guessed it. Killed by a mule. Then
subjected to what in my workplace would get someone fired. And do I
hear from the GMs after calling 3 times?!? No.
This is almost it. If it weren't for a group of friends known as the
"knights of ni" (a guild I just joined) and a healthy bank account, I
would cancel my account tonight. But I have learned my lesson:
Why bother interacting, it only gets you killed..... Besides, I suppose
that being called a whore/cunt/slut/bitch is the correct way for a woman
to be treated...
Eryn O'Gunnach
Destitute Tailor of Yew
<remainder snipped>
Wags
harlequin
Eddie Saxe wrote
>Susan wrote:
>>>>alt.religion.kibology
>>
>>>> What is "kibology"?
>>
>>>Twenty bucks, same as in town.
>>>
>>>Eddie
>>
>> I don't feel like subscribing to some religion newsgroup. It was
>>a simple question - What is "kibology". I don't understand your
>>answer, if that was an answer Eddie. I hope this isn't something that
>>I obviously should know about - how degrading.
>
>IHBT. IHL. I abase myself before the Kibological resources present in my
>correspondent. I am unworthy.
>
>MAJOR FATALITY!
Well, Eddie, I am totally lost by your responses. Susan, I have not
heard of Kibology either, but if I had to hazard a guess it sounds like the
study of communal organizations, such as those found in Israel.
Jennifer Petersen
From what I've seen its just a newsgroup for being bizarre ;-) The "20 bucks"
line is from an old joke which I can't remember the important parts to.
--
Jennifer Petersen - ICQ#6332431 - Ironwolfe Dragon : -=UDIC=-
Susan wrote:
> >>alt.religion.kibology
>
> >> What is "kibology"?
>
> >Twenty bucks, same as in town.
> >
> >Eddie
>
> I don't feel like subscribing to some religion newsgroup. It was
> a simple question - What is "kibology". I don't understand your
> answer, if that was an answer Eddie. I hope this isn't something that
> I obviously should know about - how degrading.
>
> * Susan * <Sus...@fix.net>
Coach
In article <65h0f9$k...@hume.nmia.com>, "harlequin" <harl...@wazoo.com> wrote:
>Eddie Saxe wrote
>>Susan wrote:
>>>>>alt.religion.kibology
>>>
>>>>> What is "kibology"?
>>>
>>>>Twenty bucks, same as in town.
>>>>
>>>>Eddie
>>>
>>> I don't feel like subscribing to some religion newsgroup. It was
>>>a simple question - What is "kibology". I don't understand your
>>>answer, if that was an answer Eddie. I hope this isn't something that
>>>I obviously should know about - how degrading.
>>
>>IHBT. IHL. I abase myself before the Kibological resources present in my
>>correspondent. I am unworthy.
>>
>>MAJOR FATALITY!
>
>
> Well, Eddie, I am totally lost by your responses. Susan, I have not
>heard of Kibology either, but if I had to hazard a guess it sounds like the
>study of communal organizations, such as those found in Israel.
You could say that. You'd be wrong, but you could still say it.
/Coach
--
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Brad Stark
Great IDEA!
Wags <mwa...@iriscorp.com> wrote in article
> Now there is a very simple way to prove this stuff. Each character
> keeps a journal of the text that they see on the screen. I know that
this
> journal keeps at the very least the last few minutes of conversations.
Stefan Kapusniak
In alt.religion.kibology,
"Leah Verre" <leahv.ba...@badaddress.humongous.com> wrote:
>uhh ... heh.
>See .. there's this newsgroup I'm on .. and uh, see it's kinda KOOKY, you
>might say. And see, sometimes people there enjoy grabbing threads from
>other newsgroups and crossposting them
It appears that Mr. Verre has greatly misunderstood the nature
of our faith and has fallen into deep error. Indeed consulting
the Rolls of the Church, it appears there is no record of Mr.
Verre here at the Central Tabernacle.
I must assume he is one the hangers on we seem have acquired
given the sudden distressing fashionability that Kibology appears
to have acquired since Leader Kibo promulgated his edict
revealing that Internet has been ritually cleansed for use
by The Faithful.
I doubt Mr. Verre has even bothered to even the 'Happynet Manifesto'.
As for Mr. Saxe, it transpires that he is indeed a probationary
initiate of the Diaspora, who has recently gone through his
Revelation of Allowedness. Unfortunately this first small step on
the long road to the Inner Mysteries can sometimes go to a
young initiates head.
Rest assured we at the Office of the Architect do not regard such
departures from the True Ways of Modesty, Obedience and Respect
for the ways others in both word and deed, as laid down by Our
Leader Kibo, as a small or slight matter.
Mr. Saxe has been demoted to the Mauve level for his discourtesy
to your group, and will be required to demonstrate his repentence
to the satisfaction his Assigned Confessor before he will be
allowed to resume the Priveleges of the Integrated and be permitted
to not wear pants again.
Mr. Verre shall shortly be receiving communication for our Attorney
E Teflon Piano in regard to the distribution of copyrighted materials
on his website without his payment of the necessary licensing fees
to the Tabernacle.
We hope these disciplinary measures will go some way to expiating
the distress these two persons have caused you and your newsgroup.
Rest assured their discourteous behaviour in no way reflects the
teachings of the Kibological Diaspora.
THIs DISCLAIMER IS NOT REQUIRED BY LEADER KIBO.
-- Kapusniak, Stefan m (Master, Grandmaster, Mark of the Dragon)
Office of the Architect
Central Kibological Tabernacle
Lou Zucaro
In article <65h04s$k...@hume.nmia.com>, harl...@wazoo.com says...
>
> Lou Zucaro wrote
> > Did the
> >original poster explain the specific nature of his frustration and why he
> >wanted people to join him?
> >
> >If you're going to start a rally, at least let people know what they're
> >joining.
>
> Yes, Wags did say what this was all about. He even reposted an account
> by Eryn O'Gunnach of .... well see for yourself. I have reposted the
> pertinent parts of Wags post for you.
Except that he did not do so when I originally responded to him.
Also, his (her?) and others' actions of putting the very types of words
up on this group that he's complaining about makes him just as guilty.
He could simply have added something to his original post such as:
"I am not talking about the swearing that is common when people are
lagged or stuck or dying while fighting, etc. What I am talking about is
malicious, sexually- or racially-oriented namecalling and comments that
are specifically directed at another player for the purpose of
intimidation and/or harassment."
Such a statement would have made his entire purpose much more clear than
his original message did. And it would have spared everybody else from
the very words that he's been offended by.
Wags has no right to be upset about all this...he's just as guilty.
Wags
In article <MPG.ee6077a2...@news.mcs.net>, l...@pause.com
says...
> Except that he did not do so when I originally responded to him.
OK, so I wasn't clear at first. I did however clarify after you emailed
me to mention that my post wasn't clear.
> Also, his (her?) and others' actions of putting the very types of words
> up on this group that he's complaining about makes him just as guilty.
> He could simply have added something to his original post such as:
Where in this news group have I ever used sexual, racist or otherwise
lude words in a harassing statement? I did mention the words that were
used in UO to you via email, and in this group I posted a copy of the
Eryn's original account.
>
> "I am not talking about the swearing that is common when people are
> lagged or stuck or dying while fighting, etc. What I am talking about is
> malicious, sexually- or racially-oriented namecalling and comments that
> are specifically directed at another player for the purpose of
> intimidation and/or harassment."
I thought that my second post was pretty clear here.
>
> Such a statement would have made his entire purpose much more clear than
> his original message did. And it would have spared everybody else from
> the very words that he's been offended by.
>
> Wags has no right to be upset about all this...he's just as guilty.
>
> --
>
> Lou Zucaro
> Editor, Pause Magazine
>
> http://www.pause.com
>
> "In the spring we'd make meat helmets."
>
How am I just as guilty? I have not called you or anyone else offensive
names. I have posted copies of what was said. Please post a specific
example of where I have posted something that offensive in nature. If
you can find something that I will eat my words.
Wags
harlequin
Coach wrote
>
>You could say that. You'd be wrong, but you could still say it.
>
:) O.k. Coach, can you clarify it for me so I don't go messing it all
up? Honest, I really want to know-I won't flame.
John Sweeney
Coach <conn...@bc.edu> wrote in article
<connorbd-261...@st202x229.bc.edu>...
> >heard of Kibology either, but if I had to hazard a guess it sounds like
the
> >study of communal organizations, such as those found in Israel.
>
>
(Unless you're Spot, of course, or Xibo)
HTH!
--
John Sweeney
Supreme Tyrant
jsw...@immonline.com
John Hughes
No. The factual discussion of exactly what happened is required.
Otherwise, how could anyone decide the merit of the complaint? Despite what
the large majority believe, there is no guarantee that we should never be
offended. The rules not only require that someone be offended by the
particular language, but that the language in question be of a nature that
would offend a reasonable person. That reasonableness standard is what,
theoretically, keeps the quacks from suing everyone every time they speak.
Additionally, there is a huge difference between a "clinical" use of a
particular word to demonstrate what took place and the use of the same word
as a perjurative. Take, for example, the most common example: "bitch."
When used properly, the word is not offensive (ask a dog breeder). When
used as a perjurative, it is quite offensive.
Finally, those corresponding in this particular forum have not agreed to any
code of conduct regarding language. Those who play UO have. We are, with a
few exceptions, generally restrained by good taste and decorum, but those
are voluntary standards. The standards within UO are not.
May I suggest you cease attacking others for irrelevant acts and stick to
the thread? If you'd like to debate free speech, do so, but within the
context of the thread.
Silvershadow
Lake Superior Shard
Lou Zucaro wrote in message ...
John Hughes
If you are going to "cuss like you do in real life," why did you agree to
the terms of the End User Agreement? Yes, you should be wiped for cussing
at the orc. If for no other reason than that you don't have the imagination
to come up with something imaginative to put into a macro as a battle cry.
If you agree to a code of conduct, please don't whine when we discuss
enforcing it!
Finally, please read the accounts of what is going on in the game before you
decide people "should just ignore it." We are not talking about everyday
situations, here. And there is very little one can do to escape these
idiots in the game unless the GMs respond promptly and forcefully when it
happens.
So, if you don't like the agreement--leave.
Silvershadow
Lake Superior Shard
Todd Fallert wrote in message <347B3B...@ninenet.com>...
>So let me get this straight. If I am fighting an orc, and I haven't hit
>him for like 7 straight hits, and I say, "Why the fuck cant I hit him?"
>I should be wiped for that.
>
>
John Hughes
In that context, it's even rather amusing.
Thanks for the apology--such common courtesies are few and far between on
newsgroups.
Silvershadow
Lake Superior Shard
Leah Verre wrote in message <01bcfa0e$6d91f760$ee43facc@HE-HDNW01>...
>uhh ... heh.
>See .. there's this newsgroup I'm on .. and uh, see it's kinda KOOKY, you
>might say. And see, sometimes people there enjoy grabbing threads from
Canticle
Tobias <rau...@spamproof.email.msn.com>
: been established as complicity in the acts. So, OSI, you better get
moving.
: When this issue hits a court of law it will be too damn late.
And, eventually, it will. OSI better get moving.
Unlike these ridiculous class action suits that some people seem to like
tossing about, a Sexual Harassment suit would be a far easier thing to
launch and very likely to end up in court. There is also precedent
regarding sexual harrassment on the Internet.
Jeff-boy
Etienne Rouette
harlequin wrote:
>
> Eddie Saxe wrote
> >Susan wrote:
> >>>>alt.religion.kibology
> >>
> >>>> What is "kibology"?
> >>
> >>>Twenty bucks, same as in town.
> >>>
> >>>Eddie
> >>
> >> I don't feel like subscribing to some religion newsgroup. It was
> >>a simple question - What is "kibology". I don't understand your
> >>answer, if that was an answer Eddie. I hope this isn't something that
> >>I obviously should know about - how degrading.
> >
> >IHBT. IHL. I abase myself before the Kibological resources present in my
> >correspondent. I am unworthy.
> >
> >MAJOR FATALITY!
>
> heard of Kibology either, but if I had to hazard a guess it sounds like the
> study of communal organizations, such as those found in Israel.
Hmmm... You're close. Persevere!
E. Rouette
Jaffo
In alt.religion.kibology, on Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:07:59 +0000, Stefan Kapusniak
said:
:In alt.religion.kibology,
:"Leah Verre" <leahv.ba...@badaddress.humongous.com> wrote:
:>uhh ... heh.
:>See .. there's this newsgroup I'm on .. and uh, see it's kinda KOOKY, you
:>might say. And see, sometimes people there enjoy grabbing threads from
:>other newsgroups and crossposting them
:
: It appears that Mr. Verre has greatly misunderstood the nature
: of our faith and has fallen into deep error. Indeed consulting
: the Rolls of the Church, it appears there is no record of Mr.
: Verre here at the Central Tabernacle.
Not to say there isn't room for him...<G>
: I must assume he is one the hangers on we seem have acquired
: given the sudden distressing fashionability that Kibology appears
: to have acquired since Leader Kibo promulgated his edict
: revealing that Internet has been ritually cleansed for use
: by The Faithful.
:
: I doubt Mr. Verre has even bothered to even read the 'Happynet Manifesto'.
:
: As for Mr. Saxe, it transpires that he is indeed a probationary
: initiate of the Diaspora, who has recently gone through his
: Revelation of Allowedness. Unfortunately this first small step on
: the long road to the Inner Mysteries can sometimes go to a
: young initiates head.
Much as it went to your head at one time, Master Kapusniak.
: Rest assured we at the Office of the Architect do not regard such
: departures from the True Ways of Modesty, Obedience and Respect
: for the ways others in both word and deed, as laid down by Our
: Leader Kibo, as a small or slight matter.
:
: Mr. Saxe has been demoted to the Mauve level for his discourtesy
: to your group, and will be required to demonstrate his repentence
: to the satisfaction his Assigned Confessor before he will be
: allowed to resume the Priveleges of the Integrated and be permitted
: to not wear pants again.
This is just the kind of pedantic sophistry that I expect from you Orthodox
Kibologists. And this is precisely why I left the Church. The rules, the
regulations, the strict regimentation. I just don't feel it's necessary.
Have we learned nothing from Kibo's parable about the Mensans? Are we
destined to walk down the same path as these Internet pharisees, or are we
bold enough to trust the individual to find his own path?
I'm not going to continue our debate here. This Ultima Online group is
dedicated to fun and games, and high-level religious debate would be
inappropriate here. But I couldn't just stand by and let you condemn Brother
Saxe. All I can say, Eddie, is that if these so-called "True Kibologists"
kick you out, you are always welcome among the heretics. <G>
: Mr. Verre shall shortly be receiving communication for our Attorney
: E Teflon Piano in regard to the distribution of copyrighted materials
: on his website without his payment of the necessary licensing fees
: to the Tabernacle.
You know damn well that this suit has no legal basis, and your constant empty
threats to the contrary will not change that. Besides, if people actually
read these "sacred documents" of yours, they might actually learn the TRUTH
about Kibology, and they would finally realize that they don't need to follow
your legalistic claptrap to find the True Path. If they actually read these
documents that you call "secret" and "sacred" they might realize that I was
RIGHT to leave the Church, and they might decide to do the same.
Isn't that what you're really afraid of, Stefan?
: We hope these disciplinary measures will go some way to expiating
: the distress these two persons have caused you and your newsgroup.
: Rest assured their discourteous behaviour in no way reflects the
: teachings of the Kibological Diaspora.
As usual, you invoke the Diaspora to back up your half-truths. Kibologists
don't worship the PHYSICAL Internet, Stefan. We worship the SPIRIT of the
Internet, and no mortal man is qualified to lecture others on what is "right"
according to that spirit. Brother Saxe has a right to find his own way to the
Truth. And if that way takes him through rec.games.computer.ultima.online,
who are YOU to say he's wrong?
As long as Brother Saxe avoids the Temptations of Xibo, I don't see anything
wrong with his participation in Ultima Online. In fact, if you bothered to
read the material about this game, you would find that Ultima Online may be
EXACTLY the kind of environment we've been looking for to spread the word.
I'm personally planning to found a Church of Kibo within the game environment,
and attempt to convert these people. Ultima Online gives us a chance to do
charity work, just like a real church.
We can have healers on staff, give out gold and equipment to needy (and
worthy) players, and we can collect gossip and combat the forces of Xibo, all
within the game itself!
I'm still willing to extend an olive branch to you Orthodox types. If you
want to join me in this venture, send me email. We'll choose a shard and a
home city and we'll try to work together to show these people The Way.
I realize some of you won't be able to overcome our doctrinal differences, but
I think there are plenty of other people in the Church that would be willing
to work with me.
: THIs DISCLAIMER IS NOT REQUIRED BY LEADER KIBO.
And neither is this one.
:-- Kapusniak, Stefan m (Master, Grandmaster, Mark of the Dragon)
You include your titles in your signature now? God, that's pretentious. Kibo
would be ashamed to see you flaunting your faith like this.
: Office of the Architect
: Central Kibological Tabernacle
Tabernacle? You mean that puny office in Massachusetts? I would hardly call
a 20 x 20 cubical a "Tabernacle" Stefan.
Brother Jaffo
Chief Administrator, Church of Kibo (REFORMED)
Arlington, TX
http://rampages.onramp.net/~eholmes/
--
"I know he couldn't act very well, but I'm sure
the midget inside him was trying his best!" - Kibo
Jaffo
In alt.religion.kibology, on Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:44:57 -0500, Etienne Rouette
said:
:Hmmm... You're close. Persevere!
Hey! Please watch your language. This is a family newsgroup.
Jaffo
--
Good god, my college no longer exists! -- LSB
Lou Zucaro
In article <65htc7$5jo$1...@jake.probe.net>, fa...@probe.net says...
> No. The factual discussion of exactly what happened is required.
> Otherwise, how could anyone decide the merit of the complaint? Despite what
> the large majority believe, there is no guarantee that we should never be
> offended. The rules not only require that someone be offended by the
> particular language, but that the language in question be of a nature that
> would offend a reasonable person. That reasonableness standard is what,
> theoretically, keeps the quacks from suing everyone every time they speak.
>
> Additionally, there is a huge difference between a "clinical" use of a
> particular word to demonstrate what took place and the use of the same word
> as a perjurative. Take, for example, the most common example: "bitch."
> When used properly, the word is not offensive (ask a dog breeder). When
> used as a perjurative, it is quite offensive.
>
> Finally, those corresponding in this particular forum have not agreed to any
> code of conduct regarding language. Those who play UO have. We are, with a
> few exceptions, generally restrained by good taste and decorum, but those
> are voluntary standards. The standards within UO are not.
>
> May I suggest you cease attacking others for irrelevant acts and stick to
> the thread? If you'd like to debate free speech, do so, but within the
> context of the thread.
What on earth are you talking about? Did I ever use the words "free
speech"? Did I ever even try to debate anything?
I simply said "Why not use the language filter?" and *I* was the one who
was flamed. Give it up.
Jaffo
In alt.religion.kibology, on Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:40:07 -0800, Susan said:
:I don't feel like subscribing to some religion newsgroup. It was
:a simple question - What is "kibology". I don't understand your
:answer, if that was an answer Eddie. I hope this isn't something that
:I obviously should know about - how degrading.
Susan, don't expect straight answers from these Orthodox bastards. I don't
know what god they worship, but it certainly isn't Kibo.
Essentially, Kibology is based on Emerson's concept of the "Oversoul." Some
self-help gurus and motivational people have tried to use this concept
recently. I believe Dennis Wheatly called it the "Super-Conscious."
Essentially, we believe that all human thought is connected on the
sub-conscious level. We don't actually believe in "telepathy" or
"mind-reading." That would be silly.
But we do believe that we, as thinking beings, subconsciously send and receive
messages from other thinking beings all the time. Distance is not a factor.
(Some people claim TIME is not a factor, either, but I'm not willing to go
that far.)
We use this in little ways all the time. With practice, you can tap into the
Oversoul and cause all kinds of "little coincidences" to occur in your life.
You can use it to "magically" get a better parking space. You might have
flashes of insight and creativity. You might find yourself saying the same
things at the same time as your family members or Significant Other.
You might find 20 dollars on the street, etc.
The trick is to be very directed in your conscious life. Concentrate on your
goals, stay focused on what you want. Visualize, etc. Stay focused, and
you'll find yourself surrounded by all kinds of "lucky breaks." Of course, we
Kibologists know that it isn't really "luck" at all! It's the Oversoul,
shaping reality to go your way!
So what does this have to do with Kibology? Simple. Kibo postulated that the
INTERNET was the greatest tool we could possibly have for connecting people to
the Oversoul because it allows people ALL OVER THE WORLD to communicate
instantly.
And just because you don't see a person physically doesn't mean you can't
CONNECT with them. The Internet allows people to follow up on spiritual
connections that they had no way of following before.
On the Internet, the Oversoul has THOUSANDS of ways to connect you with other
people. You might think you're just randomly surfing through Usenet posts,
but subconsciously, you are making spiritual connections with these people,
choosing to follow up or not follow up based on your instincts.
Some guy in Arizona might be crying out, spiritually, for a friend who likes a
certain kind of classical music. He might not even MENTION that in a post,
but if you like the same kind of music, you will respond to his call and start
a private conversation. Then you will be amazed at the "coincidence" that he
likes this same music you do.
In fact, it's not a coincidence at all! It's the Oversoul, making connections
with people on the unconscious level!
The Church of Kibo is dedicated to using the Internet to help establish these
connections. Toward this goal, Kibologists participate in newsgroups, surf
the web, play internet games, and use irc, all with an eye toward BRINGING
PEOPLE TOGETHER!
We've already had at least SIX Kibologists find husbands, wives, or
girlfriends this way, just this year!
Sometimes we even scare ourselves!
That's the doctrine in a nutshell.
There are two "branches" of the Church.
The Orthodox Church of Kibo believes you have to follow a very strict path to
get to this destination, but I disagree.
I don't see anything in the scripture that backs up all these silly rules and
regulations. In fact, I think these things are actually COUNTER-productive!
The Oversoul works best when it is completely unfettered. When people can
make connections randomly, without any restriction. The healthy spirit
THRIVES ON CHAOS!
To put it in the terms of your computer game, I guess I'm the "Lord
Blackthorne" of Kibology!
You can learn more about the Church at our web site:
http://rampages.onramp.net/~eholmes/
or just send $1.50 to our Post Office Box and we'll send you out a pamphlet.
Hope this helps!
Jaffo
P.S. Our Church newsgroup has recently been over-run with some kids who like
to disrupt and side-track the discussion. Please don't let them confuse you.
Stephen Will Tanner
Jaffo (ja...@onramp.net) wrote:
:
: This is just the kind of pedantic sophistry that I expect from you Orthodox
: Kibologists. And this is precisely why I left the Church. The rules, the
: regulations, the strict regimentation. I just don't feel it's necessary.
You mock the Orthodox Kibological Collective? Then thou has lost an eighth!
Have you forgotten what Orthodox Kibology had done for us all?
Remember when that Catholic missionary got killed in the Andes?
The missionaries landed their small plane, and were approached by the natives.
The chief presented the missionary with a nubile, bare-breasted girl. The
missionary backed up, arms raised in horror. This was such an insult
that the chief speared him through the heart.
Some would have given up hope. But Kibologists? NO! The next day,
there were TWENTY kibological missionaries on their way. All male,
for some reason.
--
Arch-priest Stephen Tanner
Ministry of the Eleventh Hour
Order of Yavis
Robert Lacker
| If you agree to a code of conduct, please don't whine when we discuss
| enforcing it!
|
| Finally, please read the accounts of what is going on in the game before
you
| decide people "should just ignore it." We are not talking about everyday
| situations, here. And there is very little one can do to escape these
| idiots in the game unless the GMs respond promptly and forcefully when it
| happens.
|
| Lake Superior Shard
Hey now... there is plenty of wild and crazy stuff in the agreement that
you would get angry over if OSI enforced it.
Take, for example, your agreement not to post real-world information about
any player. What if OSI wanted to wipe your character for telling a friend
something in the game about an external event? I mean, sure they have the
legal right to do it but that doesn't mean that it's not a ridiculous
suggestion.
I still like my idea of getting rid of PKers by asking them what language
they speak. They answer, and they are posting real-world information about
themselves! Hahaha, destroy them!
Jaffo
Please ignore this person. He is attempting to disrupt our newsgroup.
In alt.religion.kibology, on 26 Nov 1997 21:53:04 GMT, Stephen Will Tanner
said:
:Jaffo (ja...@onramp.net) wrote:
::
:: This is just the kind of pedantic sophistry that I expect from you Orthodox
:: Kibologists. And this is precisely why I left the Church. The rules, the
:: regulations, the strict regimentation. I just don't feel it's necessary.
:
:You mock the Orthodox Kibological Collective? Then thou has lost an eighth!
:
:Have you forgotten what Orthodox Kibology had done for us all?
:
:Remember when that Catholic missionary got killed in the Andes?
:The missionaries landed their small plane, and were approached by the natives.
:The chief presented the missionary with a nubile, bare-breasted girl. The
:missionary backed up, arms raised in horror. This was such an insult
:that the chief speared him through the heart.
:
:Some would have given up hope. But Kibologists? NO! The next day,
:there were TWENTY kibological missionaries on their way. All male,
:for some reason.
--
Jaffo
Please ignore this person, he is attempting to disrupt our newsgroup. He does
NOT speak for the Church of Kibo, Orthodox OR Reformed.
In alt.religion.kibology, on 26 Nov 1997 14:06:49 -0800, Ant of Truism said:
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:
:
:<Conservative position snipped>
:
:And once again, busily fighting the orthodox, the conservatives
:*completely* ignore the reform movement.
:
:As you can see from the article I snipped, the orthodox position is
:one of obfuscation and inappropriate erudition aimed at numbing the
:opposition into stupification prior to their final irradiation.
:
:It is something that we of the reform movement are hopeless in our
:effort to counteract, because IT IS ALLOWED.
:
:(unless you are Spot, or Xibo, but you already knew that, didn't you?)
:
:The reform position is that the orthodox are mired in a miasma of
:tradition, while the conservatives are merely using kibology to
:further their agenda of world conquest. _WE_ have nailed our position
:to the wall and are demanding:
:
: * a return to traditional values espoused by Kibo before the 18
: minute gap in the archive.
:
: * death to webtv
:
: * an end to SHQUT1NG!!! on the internet.
:
: * vowels
:
:and, in the end, we are confident that we will overcome, because it is
:allowed.
:
:that is all,
:
:ant
:
:- --
:ant of truism fo...@null.net http://www.best.com/~mjf
:tsunami fort Thou Art Kibo http://www.kibology.com
:
:The laws of color are unutterably beautiful -- Vincent Van Gogh
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Lizard
> Well, Eddie, I am totally lost by your responses. Susan, I have not
>heard of Kibology either, but if I had to hazard a guess it sounds like the
>study of communal organizations, such as those found in Israel.
>
>
Kibology is one of countless long-time net jokes. You will never get an answer
by asking kibologists;that's part of the joke. The more you ask, the more
'fun' they have giving you non-answers.
They're sort of like PKers with marginally higher IQs.
Kibo himself was actually funny, once upon a time...
Lizard
In article <347cf264...@news.fix.net>, Sus...@fix.net (Susan) wrote:
>>>>> What is "kibology"?
>
>>IHBT. IHL. I abase myself before the Kibological resources present in my
>>correspondent. I am unworthy.
>>
>>MAJOR FATALITY!
>
>mind it as you please.
Jaffo
We have a number of people on our newsgroup that would like to convince people
that our religion is "just a joke." Please don't listen to them.
Jaffo
In alt.religion.kibology, on Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:23:19 GMT, Lizard said:
:Kibology is one of countless long-time net jokes. You will never get an answer
:by asking kibologists;that's part of the joke. The more you ask, the more
:'fun' they have giving you non-answers.
:
:They're sort of like PKers with marginally higher IQs.
:
:Kibo himself was actually funny, once upon a time...
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liz...@mrlizard.com (Lizard) writes:
>They're sort of like PKers with marginally higher IQs.
This would be PKers who avoided phenylalanine in their infancy.
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Stefan Kapusniak
In alt.religion.kibology, ja...@onramp.net (Jaffo) wrote:
>: It appears that Mr. Verre has greatly misunderstood the nature
>: of our faith and has fallen into deep error. Indeed consulting
>: the Rolls of the Church, it appears there is no record of Mr.
>: Verre here at the Central Tabernacle.
>
>Not to say there isn't room for him...<G>
A cheap shot that is totally uncalled for to say the least. Not that
it isn't the type of thing I have over the years come to expect from
you Ser Jaffo.
The current fiscal status of the Diaspora is I admit, not as good
as it might be, but, as I and many others in the Church have
explained to you countless times, we are making steady progress
in reducing the deficit, and will begin admitting new candidates
to the noviature as soon as is practical.
Needless to say the depredations of having to deal with the ongoing
and totally groundless legal actions over the issue of Church
property so beloved by some of your fellow schismatics have not
helped the position!
>: As for Mr. Saxe, it transpires that he is indeed a probationary
>: initiate of the Diaspora, who has recently gone through his
>: Revelation of Allowedness. Unfortunately this first small step on
>: the long road to the Inner Mysteries can sometimes go to a
>: young initiates head.
>
>Much as it went to your head at one time, Master Kapusniak.
I admit, I was just such a one as Mr. Saxe in my heedless youth,
have I ever denied it?
All the more reason for Mr. Saxe to learn, just as _I_ was required
to learn, the virtues of discipline, restraint and respect for
the Authority of the proper form. Leader Kibo did not write the
Articles of Correction for his own personal amusement, whatever you
and your pet theologians may contend.
Xibo was not cast out on a mere whim.
The Articles, and the Rituals of their Application, are an integral
part of The Teaching and are not there to be set aside in a fit of
shallow expediency. To do so would be to send entirely the wrong
message to our young men embarking upon what must necessarily be
a deeply serious spiritual commitment.
>This is just the kind of pedantic sophistry that I expect from you Orthodox
>Kibologists. And this is precisely why I left the Church. The rules, the
>regulations, the strict regimentation. I just don't feel it's necessary.
You don't feel it's necessary.
Ser Jaffo, may I remind you that you gave, just as did I, your
Oath to be faithful to the Teaching and Words of Leader Kibo. You
may choose to redefine the meanings of that Teaching and those
Words to better fit the shape of your own desires, but there are
those of us who choose to stand true to the commitment we made, and
will do so whatever pressure is brought to bear upon us, and
whatever difficulties we may face.
>Have we learned nothing from Kibo's parable about the Mensans? Are we
>destined to walk down the same path as these Internet pharisees, or are we
>bold enough to trust the individual to find his own path?
Is every individual to be required to start from scratch? To throw
away all that went before and struggle to build all anew, falling
into the same traps that others through grim experience have learned
to identify and sidestep? Are we do without the firm guidance of
our Elders, and the supporting strength of our Institutions just
because in some fit arrogance we decide that we can no longer bear
the pains as well as the joys of heeding their wisdom?
Ser Jaffo, following the True Path is not a burden a single man can
bear alone. Surely you can see that this is the central lesson of the
Burnout of Spaf, and the painful strivings of the other Great Prophets
that came before Our Leader Kibo?
>I'm not going to continue our debate here. This Ultima Online group is
>dedicated to fun and games, and high-level religious debate would be
>inappropriate here.
As you say, it is indeed inappropriate, but it appears that for some
strange reason it is also unavoidable. *reluctant grin*
I have set the follow-ups of this post _away_ from
rec.games.computer.ultima.online and toward more appropriate fora.
Hopefully this will result in any further disputations of ours no
longer burdening these good people.
> But I couldn't just stand by and let you condemn Brother
>Saxe. All I can say, Eddie, is that if these so-called "True Kibologists"
>kick you out, you are always welcome among the heretics. <G>
I am sure Mr. Saxe will continue to advance within the Church he
has chosen, as he learns from the Discipline that we are charged
with imposing upon him. After all every man must learn acceptance
of the necessary corrections required by their errors.
I do not pretend that this is an easy road to follow, but it is one
that leads to ultimate fulfillment.
<snip>>
> Besides, if people actually
>read these "sacred documents" of yours, they might actually learn the TRUTH
>about Kibology, and they would finally realize that they don't need to follow
>your legalistic claptrap to find the True Path. If they actually read these
>documents that you call "secret" and "sacred" they might realize that I was
>RIGHT to leave the Church, and they might decide to do the same.
>
>Isn't that what you're really afraid of, Stefan?
I'm suprised you continue to trot out this arrant nonsense. You
know as well as I do that the Church's requirement for proper licensing
agreements for the Sacred Texts has nothing at all to do with any
desire to supress their distribution. Anyone, whether member of the
Church or no, can purchase their own copies on payment of the requisite
fee.
We do this to Maximize Return on Investment just as Leader Kibo
enjoined us to. After all, we are not one of these bizarre Christian
Sects who treat the acquisition of wealth as a cause for shame. The
goal of acquiring All The Candy In The World, is indeed a noble
target for _all_ to aim at.
As one who is usually loud in their praise of our Capitalist system
I find it strange that you take this attitude.
>As usual, you invoke the Diaspora to back up your half-truths. Kibologists
>don't worship the PHYSICAL Internet, Stefan. We worship the SPIRIT of the
>Internet, and no mortal man is qualified to lecture others on what is "right"
>according to that spirit. Brother Saxe has a right to find his own way to the
>Truth. And if that way takes him through rec.games.computer.ultima.online,
>who are YOU to say he's wrong?
Mr. Saxe was making a nuisance of himself, heedlessly annoying those
outside the Faith, he is Allowed to do this, but we are likewise
Allowed to discipline him for his lack of respect towards them. Even
you must admit that Being Allowed cuts both ways.
The Church has _no_ quarrel with any Kibologist who wishes to participate
in the discussions on rec.games.computer.ultima.online. But they must
conduct themselves in a proper and appropriate manner. As I believe
I wrote previously, Leader Kibo has revealed that the whole of the
Usenet is ritually clean for all Kibologists.
>As long as Brother Saxe avoids the Temptations of Xibo,
...why you born-agains have this intense obsession with the Temptations
I'll never understand, they're only mentioned _twice_ in the whole of
The Teaching and The Words...
> I don't see anything
>wrong with his par
>EXACTLY the kind of environment we've been looking for to spread the word.
<snip>
I admit, this is not something of which I have any direct experience
seeing as the ritual cleanliness or otherwise of participation has not
yet come up for judgement by the Council. I've forwarded your on views
on the issue to the appropriate office. All grist to the mill. Even
the words of a schismatic may carry some weight.
[Although whether it will be in the direction you would hope remains to
seen.]
THIS DISCLAIMER NOT REQUIRED BY LEADER KIBO.
-- Kapusniak, Stefan m (Master, Grandmaster, Mark of the Dragon)
Office of the Architect
Central Kibological Tabernacle
PS: I won't even bother dignifying your comments on the official
signature with a response.
W. Cunningham
Jaffo wrote:
>
> We have a number of people on our newsgroup that would like to convince people
> that our religion is "just a joke." Please don't listen to them.
Somebody just told me that this religion was "just a joke," and I
listenned, I really listenned.
Well, if I shouldn't have, here's a joke:
Kibology walks into a bar, only it wasn't a bar, they only had juice
there. And Kibology was majorly PISSED OFF because he couldn't get a
beer.
All Kibology wanted was a beer, and you wouldn't give it to him!
W.
harlequin
Not getting a reasonable answer, I went to kibology to check the place out.
HA! I was rolling on the floor laughing. The funniest posts I have found
on Usenet. Although it appears to be nothing more than a flame group, it is
hilarious. Quite a refreshing change from ultima.online. I even posted
there. Haven't noticed any change in my proportions yet ;)
harlequin
Robert Lacker wrote
>I still like my idea of getting rid of PKers by asking them what language
>they speak. They answer, and they are posting real-world information about
>themselves! Hahaha, destroy them!
What if I said "Some orcish and the common tongue of all man." Will that
get me booted?
harlequin
Ant of Truism wrote
><Conservative position snipped>
>
>And once again, busily fighting the orthodox, the conservatives
>*completely* ignore the reform movement.
>
>As you can see from the article I snipped, the orthodox position is
>one of obfuscation and inappropriate erudition aimed at numbing the
>opposition into stupification prior to their final irradiation.
>
>It is something that we of the reform movement are hopeless in our
>effort to counteract, because IT IS ALLOWED.
>
>(unless you are Spot, or Xibo, but you already knew that, didn't you?)
>
>The reform position is that the orthodox are mired in a miasma of
>tradition, while the conservatives are merely using kibology to
>further their agenda of world conquest. _WE_ have nailed our position
>to the wall and are demanding:
>
> * a return to traditional values espoused by Kibo before the 18
> minute gap in the archive.
>
> * death to webtv
>
> * an end to SHQUT1NG!!! on the internet.
>
> * vowels
>
>and, in the end, we are confident that we will overcome, because it is
>allowed.
>
>that is all,
<light shines done upon the head and shoulders of harlequin (highlighting
his dandruff)> Ah, now I see. <Bow, scrape> Thank you your emminence. I
think my int went up 12 points just reading that...oops no. It dropped
becuase I almost beleived it!
harlequin
Roger Douglas wrote
>I don't understand any of this stuff. It doesn't seem to be about
>Kibology at all. Can someone explain?
Grossly misquoting 'Ant of Truism':
...the orthodox position is
one of obfuscation and inappropriate erudition aimed at numbing the
opposition into stupification prior to their final irradiation.
*not much I can do to this one!
It is something that we of the UO movement are hopeless in our
effort to counteract, because IT IS ALLOWED.
(unless you are LB, or DD but you already knew that, didn't you?)
The RPer position is that UO is mired in a miasma of
bugs and lag, while the PKers are merely using OSI to
further their agenda of world conquest. _WE_ have nailed our position
to the wall and are demanding:
* a return to traditional values espoused by LB before the release of UO
* death to tank mages
* an end to SHQUT1NG!!! on the internet.
*Sounds good enough
* PKing
and, in the end, we are confident that we will overcome, because it is
allowed.
that is all,
harlequin of the many minds (none wrapped very tight, but betix us all we
get the job done)
Lupus Yonderboy
Thus spake liz...@mrlizard.com (Lizard):
>Kibology is one of countless long-time net jokes. You will never get
>an answer by asking kibologists;that's part of the joke. The more you
>ask, the more 'fun' they have giving you non-answers.
That's not true! If you ask a direct question countless
Kibologists would fall over themselves to be the first
to answer you. Since we make this up as we go along, the
first one to answer actually creates the reality.
>They're sort of like PKers with marginally higher IQs.
AND YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO WRITE IN THE MARGINS.
>Kibo himself was actually funny, once upon a time...
Stop with the lies! The beta version of K.I.B.O. never
did run its callback routine properly.
Dan Hanish is a goober!
None Genuine Without My Signature,
Dan "Mr. Poopypants" Sale
P.S. Hi to Dan if he's watching!
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http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~asuter/
Tlerll
In article <347bc36a...@news.fix.net>, Susan <Sus...@fix.net> wrote:
>>>alt.religion.kibology
>
>>> What is "kibology"?
>
>>Twenty bucks, same as in town.
>>
>>Eddie
>
>a simple question - What is "kibology". I don't understand your
>answer, if that was an answer Eddie. I hope this isn't something that
>I obviously should know about - how degrading.
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> In alt.religion.kibology,
> "Leah Verre" <leahv.ba...@badaddress.humongous.com> wrote:
> >uhh ... heh.
> >See .. there's this newsgroup I'm on .. and uh, see it's kinda KOOKY,
you
> >might say. And see, sometimes people there enjoy grabbing threads from
> >other newsgroups and crossposting them
I just realised what Kibology is. It is about the worship of the *elite*
Kibo.
(those who do not know who Kibo is, is not *elite* enough to be a believer
in kibology)
Roger Douglas
On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:51:44 -0800, Sus...@fix.net (Susan) wrote:
>alt.religion.kibology
> What is "kibology"?
> As I understand things, as OSI slowly manages to "balance" the
What's OSI?
>game the PKers will decrease (because they are what is out of balance)
What are PKers?
>and along with them will go much of the foul language. When good and
>bad both have a real interest in role-playing this graphic MUD then UO
What's MUD - no, wait, I know that one. But what's UO?
>will be finally on track. I think this is where OSI is heading it but
What's OSI - no, forget it I asked that already.
>it is a slow process and impatience in and out of the game does not
What game? Kibology isn't a game.
>help - especially when you are all paying to help. I think for most
>complaining has worn off. It hasn't done and won't do much good. :)
Paying for help? Who's paying for help?
I don't understand any of this stuff. It doesn't seem to be about
Kibology at all. Can someone explain?
--R.
crisis king
In article <347bc36a...@news.fix.net>, Susan <Sus...@fix.net> wrote:
> I don't feel like subscribing to some religion newsgroup. It was
>a simple question - What is "kibology".
The cult of giving Lord British a twirling wedgie. We worship the
sacred Hanes buttfloss. Repent! And send us your underwear.
rone
--
"They're trying to change the moderation of de.admin.news.announce at the
moment, and they keep alleging things and calling each other names. And
there's a lot of tense squabbling on the wording and the interpretation of
obscure legal issues. It's all very German really." <boui...@cs.uni-sb.de>
Ted Frank
In article <348ea0c9...@news.onramp.net>, Jaffo <ja...@onramp.net> wrote:
>Please ignore this person. He is attempting to disrupt our newsgroup.
>
>In alt.religion.kibology, on 26 Nov 1997 21:53:04 GMT, Stephen Will Tanner
Stephen Will Tanner
Damn that man for disrupting
Newsgroup a-r-k
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Tlerll
In article <65i0fd$2...@snews1.zippo.com>, Lizard <liz...@mrlizard.com> wrote:
>In article <65h0f9$k...@hume.nmia.com>, "harlequin" <harl...@wazoo.com> wrote:
>>
>
>> Well, Eddie, I am totally lost by your responses. Susan, I have not
>>heard of Kibology either, but if I had to hazard a guess it sounds like the
>>study of communal organizations, such as those found in Israel.
>>
>>
>by asking kibologists;that's part of the joke. The more you ask, the more
>'fun' they have giving you non-answers.
WHAT?!?!?!? YOU BASTARD!!! WHY DID YOU FUKKEN TELL THEM?!?!? DAMN YOU!!!
FROM HELL'S HOT, I STAB AT THEE! FOR HATE'S SAKE, I SPIT MY LAST BREATH
AT THEE!!! KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>They're sort of like PKers with marginally higher IQs.
Yeah, but the average Kibologist has less pants than the average Mensa
member!
>Kibo himself was actually funny, once upon a time...
But not as funny as those wacky-yet-lovable 'VR Troopers'.
Jaffo
In alt.religion.kibology, on Wed, 26 Nov 1997 21:43:30 -0700, harlequin said:
:Not getting a reasonable answer, I went to kibology to check the place out.
We have a very pervasive and vocal group of people trying to take over our
newsgroup now. Please don't judge our religion by what you see in that group
right now. Very little serious discussion is going on.
The legitimate posters are badly out-numbered by this gang of kids.
Jaffo
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Lupus Yonderboy
Thus spake "W. Cunningham" <wcun...@sirius.com>:
>Well, if I shouldn't have, here's a joke:
>Kibology walks into a bar, only it wasn't a bar, they only had juice
>there. And Kibology was majorly PISSED OFF because he couldn't get a
>beer.
Here's another joke:
Q: What does oral sex with an eighty year old taste like?
A: Depends.
>All Kibology wanted was a beer, and you wouldn't give it to him!
And you killed Kenny! You Bastard!
Sincerely,
Jay Leno
P.S. I never knew Jay Leno's chin had such magical powers.
W. Cunningham
Lupus Yonderboy wrote:
> Here's another joke:
>
> A: Depends.
An 8 year old?!! Okay, stop the newsgroup, I want to get off. Does it
depend on whether they're laminating (or something like that)?
> >All Kibology wanted was a beer, and you wouldn't give it to him!
>
> And you killed Kenny! You Bastard!
Gambler movies. I've had it with idealizations of drunk capitalists. Now
a drunken Maoist, yeah. And that Yeltsin, what other drunken ex-marxist
could have united a country.1
W.
1. cf. Un-united States of Soviet Republic
Silvershadow
If I responded to the wrong post, I apologize.
However, aren't you the one who said those who used "offensive language" in
their descriptions of situations were just as bad as those using the same
language to insult and ridicule others? I'm pretty sure I quoted your words
in my post, then replied.
So, if I replied to the wrong post, I apologize. If not, why not stick to
the discussion?
Lou Zucaro wrote in message ...
>What on earth are you talking about? Did I ever use the words "free
>speech"? Did I ever even try to debate anything?
>
>I simply said "Why not use the language filter?" and *I* was the one who
>was flamed. Give it up.
>
>--
>
>Lou Zucaro
>Editor, Pause Magazine
Mark David
"Canticle" <cant...@escape.ca> wrote:
>Unlike these ridiculous class action suits that some people seem to like
>tossing about, a Sexual Harassment suit would be a far easier thing to
>launch and very likely to end up in court. There is also precedent
>regarding sexual harrassment on the Internet.
Damn, are you guys still at it? I hope that you're at least past the
stage of flooded her with 3-page-long emails gallantly offering your
support.
Geeze.
Mark David -- Super Genius! | "Just because it says DVD does not mean
mad...@achilles.net | the quality is there."
dl...@freenet.carleton.ca | --David Garber, Senior VP, LIVE Ent.
Lupus Yonderboy
>> Q: What does oral sex with an eight year old taste like?
>> A: Depends.
>An 8 year old?!! Okay, stop the newsgroup, I want to get off. Does it
>depend on whether they're laminating (or something like that)?
Silly head! I said oral sex with an EIGHTY year old. I'm not
a prevert.
>a drunken Maoist, yeah. And that Yeltsin, what other drunken ex-marxist
>could have united a country.1
>
>1. cf. Un-united States of Soviet Republic
POSTMAN!!!!!!!
Ddd
Wags <mwa...@iriscorp.com> wrote in article
<347B0627...@iriscorp.com>...
> I am starting this thread in an attempt to send a message
> to OSI in reguards to abusive language and actions in the
> game. I want them to be held strictly to the terms that
> they set out about such online abuses. I want those people
> that violate this policy suspended or banned.
I had understood that there's a way to keep an ASCII copy of everything in
your Journal. If so, why not send it to Origin Tech Support for proof?
David Zeiger
On 28 Nov 1997 05:40:43 GMT, Ddd <noddd...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>I had understood that there's a way to keep an ASCII copy of everything in
>your Journal. If so, why not send it to Origin Tech Support for proof?
One word: notepad
Three words: non-unique character names (afaik the journal does
not indicate playerIDs, nor does it timestamp)
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