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Richard Sutton

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Jun 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/7/98
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To me Pks make the game fun the monsters get boring after a short time
the only monsters my characters can't kill now are dragons and balrons
if not for pks half the fun of UO will be gone. Hunting pks is next to
living it up in the game nothing is more fun than getting a large posse
together to go hunt a murderer :-) but this is only my humble opinion.

sighned lord Bruenor Nappa


Robert Collins

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Richard Sutton wrote:


Erm yeah sure.. whatever, once you've been PK'ed 40+ times and never had
more than 2000 cash, and thats what freinds gave you, im sure you will
call it fun. OTOH I do admit laying ambushes for Pk's is fun, 4 People
with bows can take most Pk partys if they are hard enough, but I have
bad memorys of my Newbie days, and of my current newbie days (I have
recently re-started playing.)
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En sabah nur

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Jun 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/7/98
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>Richard Sutton wrote:
>
>> To me Pks make the game fun the monsters get boring after a short time
>>
>> the only monsters my characters can't kill now are dragons and balrons
>>
>> if not for pks half the fun of UO will be gone. Hunting pks is next to
>>
>> living it up in the game nothing is more fun than getting a large
>> posse
>> together to go hunt a murderer :-) but this is only my humble opinion.
>>
>> sighned lord Bruenor Nappa
>
>Pkers are no too bad if your an established character, whose trade gives
him enough money to start over easily, but when your news and try to make
some money having at least 4 pkers attack you is very frustrating. There
has only been twice in 5 months where I have seen a pker attack a blue one
on one, and one of the guys was a great lord gm attacking my obviously new
char. Even that is, ok I can live with that, but when you walk into a
dungeon, and 10 pkers attack you that is when it get frustrating. So I
think that people who say that pkers add fun to the game should step into a
newbies shoes and remember what it was like for you when you first started.
En Sabah Nur Pacific shard

John Gonzales

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Jun 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/7/98
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En sabah nur wrote:
> So I think that people who say that pkers add fun to the game should step into a
> newbies shoes and remember what it was like for you when you first started.
> En Sabah Nur Pacific shard

Well, I'm still a newbie, and I haven't been pk'ed at all. Know why?
Becuase I know better than to wander in areas outside of the cities
alone. I mean duh, in real life, if I walk into the bad part of town
chances are good I'll get killed. Same goes for these areas also
(dungeons included). Any adventuring I usually do is in Moonglow where I
have never been attacked upon and even so, running would be an asset. If
I do go outside of town, it's with experienced players who know more of
what they're doing.

John

Scott Healey

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Jun 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/7/98
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Isn't that why your called a "newbie"? newbies dont know any better they are
up for certain difficulties that dont challenge us more experienced people
AS MUCH. Are we more experienced because we had to learn and were a newbie
once too?

Newbies are suppose to have it harder in the beginning! DAMNIT!

-Lag

John Gonzales

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Ralph Grimmer wrote:

>
> John Gonzales wrote:
>
> > I mean duh, in real life, if I walk into the bad part of town
> > chances are good I'll get killed.
>
> WOW ... where do you live ? Is it that bad in the US ?
>
> Ralph Grimmer

In some places. If not then severely beaten and looted. Hey, after all,
this is Texas, pardner.

John

Dennis Heffernan

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Jun 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/7/98
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Ralph Grimmer wrote in message <357B494C...@stud.uni-frankfurt.de>...

|
|
|John Gonzales wrote:
|
|> I mean duh, in real life, if I walk into the bad part of town
|> chances are good I'll get killed.
|
|WOW ... where do you live ? Is it that bad in the US ?


Hardly. America, like most of the world, is mind-boggingly
safe. If you took the cumulative probability of an American being
killed by any one of the other five billion beings on the planet,
by accident or design, it would still be lower than the probability
that he would kill himself.

People just have these irrational fears about crime. It's
actually been shown that those least likely to be the victim of a
violent crime are the most likely to worry about it. There are some
choice passages in the Lao-Tzu explaining the phenomenon.

Dennis F. Heffernan UO: Venture (Catskills) df...@worldnet.att.net
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inner child and kick its little ass!" - D. Henley/G. Frey, "Get Over It"

The Master

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Jun 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/7/98
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Scott Healey wrote:

Problem is, he probably used that read-and-think-before-you-play exploit.


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The Master

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Ralph Grimmer wrote:

> John Gonzales wrote:
>
> > I mean duh, in real life, if I walk into the bad part of town
> > chances are good I'll get killed.
>
> WOW ... where do you live ? Is it that bad in the US ?
>

> Ralph Grimmer


Actually, it's that bad in most of the world. We only Hear about it in the US
because there is always some bleeding kidney anti-gun nut with a blowdry and
microphone getting on the 6 o'clock news to tell us about it. This we call
"civilization."


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Ralph Grimmer

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Perrin Abyara

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> Hardly. America, like most of the world, is mind-boggingly
>safe.

Beg to differ here.

I was stationed in Seoul Korea for two years. Pop approx 20 Billion if you
count the Seoul and the towns next to it (although it all seams to be Seoul to
me.)

2 am, walking back from a bar in the tourist section of Seoul. Just me and my
wife. No problems, even from the other drunks.

2 am, my wife walking back from the same area, alone. No problems.

2 am New York, would you let your wife walk alone? Would you walk alone?

This US could learn alot from Korea. The only fist fight I saw in a bar there
was two americans. Koreans just shout.

Perrin Abyara on Catskills
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Jonathan Aitken

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ne...@intellisys.net (Perrin Abyara) wrote:

>2 am New York, would you let your wife walk alone? Would you walk alone?

I'd let my wife do whatever she liked. Who am I, to give her orders about where
she can and cant go?

Otara, Napa.

Sonny B.

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Jun 8, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/8/98
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You don't get around much, do you? You should persuade your parents
into taking you to scandinavia. When ONE individual is murdered in
Denmark (pop. 5 mil.) it is frontpage news in all national newspapers.
Theft and muggings is somewhat more common though.

Oh, and we have a lot of "bleeding kidney anti-gun nuts". Actually it
is forbidden to own a weapon in all scandinavian (and most european)
countries.

On Sun, 07 Jun 1998 22:59:00 -0700, The Master
<NOSPAM_...@uswest.net> wrote:

>Actually, it's that bad in most of the world. We only Hear about it in the US
>because there is always some bleeding kidney anti-gun nut with a blowdry and
>microphone getting on the 6 o'clock news to tell us about it. This we call
>"civilization."


Sonny B.
Bertel, Adept Newbie (Catskills)

Ralph Grimmer

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Jun 8, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/8/98
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John Gonzales wrote:

> In some places. If not then severely beaten and looted. Hey, after all,
> this is Texas, pardner.

Hmm and this sounds like Ultima Online .... so after all stop complainig
about the game .. then it's as real as real life can be.

Jesus ... if it were that bad in my town I would stop compaining about
UO's problems and get my politicians to do something about this. So no
wonder that so many mad people are runining around in Britannia if real
live isn't any different.

Ralph Grimmer


Radnor

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Jun 8, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/8/98
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In article <357b9b2a...@news.ozemail.com.au>, sp...@spam.com.au
says...

I believe you've missed the entire point of his post.

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Perrin Abyara wrote in message <357b8...@news5.kcdata.com>...

|2 am New York, would you let your wife walk alone? Would you walk alone?


Yes. Done it. Didn't get so much as a dirty look.

George

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Jun 8, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/8/98
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And for you Richard PK's are fun. For me, they are not as I am sure they
are not for a great many role-playing players. You obviously are not a
role-player and are playing the game just for the things you can kill. If I
were you I would play a game that is meant to be played that way, like
Diablo.

Richard Sutton<RIC...@HOP-UKY.CAMPUS.MCI.NET wrote in message
<357ACAEC...@hop-uky.campus.mci.net^...
^To me Pks make the game fun the monsters get boring after a short time
^the only monsters my characters can't kill now are dragons and balrons
^if not for pks half the fun of UO will be gone. Hunting pks is next to
^living it up in the game nothing is more fun than getting a large posse
^together to go hunt a murderer :-) but this is only my humble opinion.
^
^signed lord Burner Napa
^


ti...@enteract.bottblock.com

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Ralph Grimmer <gri...@stud.uni-frankfurt.de> said...
> John Gonzales wrote:

Unfortunately, there are really some places like this. If not killed,
then at least attacked and mugged. They're not everywhere, but they do
exist. In most major US cities, there are parts of town that you just
don't go to if your skin is the wrong color.

Tirya

ti...@enteract.bottblock.com

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Jonathan Aitken <sp...@spam.com.au> said...
> ne...@intellisys.net (Perrin Abyara) wrote:

> >2 am New York, would you let your wife walk alone? Would you walk alone?

> I'd let my wife do whatever she liked. Who am I, to give her orders about where


> she can and cant go?

Let me rephrase the question... would it be *safe* for your wife to walk
alone through the streets of New York at 2am? If she had any sense,
hopefully she'd know better than to do that. NYC is better than it used
to be, but there are still parts of town that you don't go hiking through
at 2am. Particularly a lone female.

Tirya

Jonathan Aitken

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I wasnt answering the entire point of his post, merely challenging the implied
right to tell his wife where she can or cant go,

Otara, Napa

k...@spam.bigfoot.spam.com (Radnor) wrote:

>> ne...@intellisys.net (Perrin Abyara) wrote:
>>
>> >2 am New York, would you let your wife walk alone? Would you walk alone?
>>
>> I'd let my wife do whatever she liked. Who am I, to give her orders about where
>> she can and cant go?
>

Perrin Abyara

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Jun 9, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/9/98
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This really sucks. My news group server seams to have a selective nature in
what it stores. I missed a repley to my post, a reply to it, and a reply to
the reply! It's no wonder I check this group daily, if possible!

As far as the part on ordering my wife. I would never demand anything of her.
I would never order here anywhere. I would never let her be put in danger,
like New Your. I could never stand to lose her...

Legion

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Jun 9, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/9/98
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It really chaps my hide when people accuse other people of not being
role players because they want to engage in PvP combat or if they want
pk's in the game. Hunting down a murderer can be very well
roleplayed. Just because it involves "killing" another player does
not mean the game turns into Quake. On the flip side there are Pk's
out there who actually have some though and style to what they do.
Don't judge everyone by the acts of the bad ones.


Jaquar - Lake Superior
(it's a Q not a G)
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shudehill

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Jun 9, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/9/98
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When my great lord character is going through the woods and sees a
newbie, his first thought is to approach this person and offer them
aid or just conversation. However the usual result is that the newbie
runs off like a bolt of lightning. The murderers have ruined the
ability to converse with almost anyone in this game, and that in turn
has helped to kill roleplaying. Interaction with other players (as
opposed to destruction of other players) was a big reason I bought
this game...but it seems impossible with everyone just running from
each other.
Also, a lot of the pro-pvp side cannot understand the feelings of the
non-pvpers. They say Everquest will not do well because non-PVPers
*always* get bored after a while and go on to PKing. I've been playing
UO since early November, and I've *never* been tempted to go PK. Sure,
once or twice I've thought about going out with an anti-PK posse when
theres problems at the Britain crossroads, but I usualy change my mind
really quickly. There are many of us who just are not interested in
contributing to the vicious circle of PKing, and would rather converse
with other players, help other players, and play the cooperative/live
and let live side of the game rather than the competative side. I know
there will never be a pvp switch in UO, but thats why it would be such
a good thing...both sides could have it their way.

just my 2 cents, thats all,
Liz

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