Town Kills... Are they legal or a bug?
Ashley
I have developed a way to kill people in town and have become very
successful at it. The only problem is that I have recently been
banned for doing it. Where is it written that I cannot kill people in
town? Why would the jackass who banned me not talk to me about it, he
banned me without letting me say a word. I want to know where it says
in the rules that I cannot kill people in town.
By the way, I only kill Red and Greys in town. I play on the
Pacific server.
If anyone knows why I was banned, please tell me
Ashley
Roy Way
It's probably under the 'banning for exploiting a bug' policy. This
seems a bit borderline though so it's worth pursuing.
Knapweed (Baja)
Gordon Gano
basically you were banned for being a jackass. go back and read their
TOS and you might figure out why
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Stupid
Nevermind
So.. you need to be informed why you are banned for exploiting a bug? Hmm..
tell you what.. I'll make you a good offer. I'll pay you $500 if you promise
not to reproduce.. trust me, you'll be doing our race a favor.
Nevermind
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never mind."
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Don Sheppard
If you really need to be told why you were banned, then it is probably best
for all concerned that you were.
Ashley
I would like to thank everyone who replied, except the ones who didn't
answer my question which was everyone!!! I am guessing here but I
think everyone who replied with some smartass remark was killed by me
in town. Hehehehe. If so, boy were you stupid!!!
I am not using a bug. I am not using the bark extender in my uo.cfg.
I am not harrassing other players any more than PKers harrass anyone
outside of town and that is "legal".
What kind of moron thinks PKing isn't harrassment and townkilling is.
Again, I ask anyone I didn't townkill, why was I banned?
Thank you for your time,
Ashley
On Sat, 30 May 1998 20:56:32 GMT, awil...@uswest.net (Ashley) wrote:
The Master
Ashley wrote:
> I have developed a way to kill people in town and have become very
> successful at it. The only problem is that I have recently been
> banned for doing it.
Good. Now, go buy another UO (c $60), and this time try to behave as if you
deserve the company of the fine people you are gaming with.
> Where is it written that I cannot kill people in
> town?
<ahem> Right here: YOU CANNOT KILL PEOPLE IN TOWN. :-) <joke>
I suspect what you were doing was a cheat, and it most definitely says you can
be banned for that. And of course, you won't admit it, will you? What you
were doing?
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Marc
> I would like to thank everyone who replied, except the ones who didn't
> answer my question which was everyone!!! I am guessing here but I
> think everyone who replied with some smartass remark was killed by me
> in town. Hehehehe. If so, boy were you stupid!!!
> I am not using a bug. I am not using the bark extender in my uo.cfg.
> I am not harrassing other players any more than PKers harrass anyone
> outside of town and that is "legal".
> What kind of moron thinks PKing isn't harrassment and townkilling is.
>
> Again, I ask anyone I didn't townkill, why was I banned?
Sheesh! Either you are dumb or you are joking.
The reason why you were banned is the same why those ppl that used the
recent house break-in bugs got banned. You used bugs/cheats where it
was unacceptable. Unacceptable in this case means it directly affected
other players. Sure, the recent vendor bugs also disrupt play, but at
least nobody lost his items due to it.
And if you didn't know why townkilling wasn't allowed, then tell me
why you invested time finding a way to work around it?
Honest Dragon
Ashley
>Ashley wrote:
>
>> I have developed a way to kill people in town and have become very
>> successful at it. The only problem is that I have recently been
>> banned for doing it.
>
>Good. Now, go buy another UO (c $60), and this time try to behave as if you
>deserve the company of the fine people you are gaming with.
I was only banned for 24 hours.
>> Where is it written that I cannot kill people in
>> town?
>
><ahem> Right here: YOU CANNOT KILL PEOPLE IN TOWN. :-) <joke>
>
>I suspect what you were doing was a cheat, and it most definitely says you can
>be banned for that. And of course, you won't admit it, will you? What you
>were doing?
Hey, Jackass, all I was doing was attacking people in town and the
morons wouldn't call for the guards!!! I dont think that is a cheat!
So, I get banned because idiots think the new reputation system is
started for only me and never call for the guards. I am not pissed
off because i was banned, I am pissed off because of the way I was
banned. The GM told me i was banned and wouldnt let me ask why and
where it says i cannot kill people in town. Then he was gone. Must
have been a friend of someone I killed. He shouldn't have been
keeping company with dishonorable or PK's.
Is it considered an exploit if the other players are simply too dumb
to respond to your actiions? I dont think so.
Bill Gibson
You were banned because your doing something the LOOKS LIKE an exploit. It
doesn't matter if you method doesn't use the popular barktime technique.
They don't have the time to listen to each person deny that they were doing
it.
Think of them like the Town Guards, If your seen doing it... your killed.
Doesn't matter how.
Ashley wrote in message <357101c5...@news.uswest.net>...
>I would like to thank everyone who replied, except the ones who didn't
>answer my question which was everyone!!! I am guessing here but I
>think everyone who replied with some smartass remark was killed by me
>in town. Hehehehe. If so, boy were you stupid!!!
>I am not using a bug. I am not using the bark extender in my uo.cfg.
>I am not harrassing other players any more than PKers harrass anyone
>outside of town and that is "legal".
>What kind of moron thinks PKing isn't harrassment and townkilling is.
>
>
>Again, I ask anyone I didn't townkill, why was I banned?
>
>Thank you for your time,
>Ashley
>
>On Sat, 30 May 1998 20:56:32 GMT, awil...@uswest.net (Ashley) wrote:
>
>>I have developed a way to kill people in town and have become very
>>successful at it. The only problem is that I have recently been
Marc
> Hey, Jackass, all I was doing was attacking people in town and the
> morons wouldn't call for the guards!!! I dont think that is a cheat!
> So, I get banned because idiots think the new reputation system is
> started for only me and never call for the guards. I am not pissed
> off because i was banned, I am pissed off because of the way I was
> banned. The GM told me i was banned and wouldnt let me ask why and
> where it says i cannot kill people in town. Then he was gone. Must
> have been a friend of someone I killed. He shouldn't have been
> keeping company with dishonorable or PK's.
> Is it considered an exploit if the other players are simply too dumb
> to respond to your actiions? I dont think so.
Sorry, but I don't believe that crap for a minute.
Even *if* the ppl you attacked were so dumb not to call the guards,
someone would have called them. Also, there normally is one NPC around
and they *always* call the guards - within or outside of town.
So stop whining when you used some cheats.
Honest Dragon
Gordon Gano
Marc wrote:
>
> > Hey, Jackass, all I was doing was attacking people in town and the
> > morons wouldn't call for the guards!!! I dont think that is a cheat!
> > So, I get banned because idiots think the new reputation system is
> > started for only me and never call for the guards. I am not pissed
> > off because i was banned, I am pissed off because of the way I was
> > banned. The GM told me i was banned and wouldnt let me ask why and
> > where it says i cannot kill people in town. Then he was gone. Must
> > have been a friend of someone I killed. He shouldn't have been
> > keeping company with dishonorable or PK's.
> > Is it considered an exploit if the other players are simply too dumb
> > to respond to your actiions? I dont think so.
it is however considered an exploit to find *any* creative means to do
something that was *not* ment to be done (such as townkilling) the GM's
do however seem to have a rather leanient policy for exploiters (some
will ban, some won't do shit) so if your cought using *any* exploit and
your acocunt get's banned, don't come crying to us, because we really
dont give a fuck. as a matter a fact, most of will be Happy that
assholes like you are banned. =)
Slay
Gordon Gano <gordo...@NOSPAM.iname.com> wrote:
>it is however considered an exploit to find *any* creative means to do
>something that was *not* ment to be done (such as townkilling) the GM's
>do however seem to have a rather leanient policy for exploiters (some
>will ban, some won't do shit) so if your cought using *any* exploit and
>your acocunt get's banned, don't come crying to us, because we really
>dont give a fuck. as a matter a fact, most of will be Happy that
>assholes like you are banned. =)
>
I am by no means defending this guy, but I was not aware that
townkilling was illegal. I just thought attacking someone in
town was a bad idea because the guards would toast you. If in
a fit of rage you went into attack mode and was able to wack
someone in one hit, before being slaughtered by the guards,
that sounds okay to me :)
Ashley
To all the arrogant assholes out there who "just cannot believe" I can
kill in town without someone calling the guards: Fuck you!!!
I will type very slowly so the dimwitted can understand why I am NOT
using an exploit.
If some LOSER steals something out of your bag and you notice it, how
long do you have to call the guards? 15 seconds? Is that the correct
answer? Huh? Well?
If some JACKASS thinks he can attack someone in town and does it, how
long do you have to call the guards? HUH? Well? The answer is 15
seconds!!!
All of you are so freaking arrogant, makes me sick!!!
So, when you see someone hiding behind a tree fishing and playing a
lute for hours at a time, do you whine and complain to the GM's?
NO!!! That person is obviously using a Macro program and is nowhere
around the computer. Is that an exploit?
So. when some DICKHEAD PKer chases down a character that isn't even
killed enough Red to become honorable, is that freaking an exploit?
Is that harrassment? I think so. I don't want to play there silly
little chase down the newbies game. But, I have to watch my back
everytime i leave town. Looking for those GREAT ROLEPLAYING PK's with
Supremely accurate heavy crossbows of Ruin which kills in 3 hits
regardless of your AC. Is that FUN? Is that harassment?
Or how about the Tank mage. How many corp pors does it take to do 90
points of damage? How do you think they attack people who are not on
the screen any longer?
I don't think it is an exploit to do to the PKers and Thieves what
they do to us. You can't cast energy bolt in town!!! Hehehe. The
guards dont need to be called for that!!!
Is it an exploit to kill in town? Is it harassment? I say NO!!!
Now, everybody get off your high horse and stop being so anal.
Thanks,
Ashley
The Master
Marc wrote:
> > What kind of moron thinks PKing isn't harrassment and townkilling is.
> >
> > Again, I ask anyone I didn't townkill, why was I banned?
>
> Sheesh! Either you are dumb or you are joking.
See? It's a bad habbit that feeds on itself. Name-calling. Why not rise
above it? Just leave that part out, and stick to the facts. If you have any
actual wisdom to share, it will show, without the "moron," "idiot," "asshole,"
"dumb," etc.
> The reason why you were banned is the same why those ppl that used the
> recent house break-in bugs got banned.
Has anyone actually established the facts in this case? I believe we have only
the original poster's word that he even Was banned, and not real explanation as
to why. When I pointed out that I suspected he was banned for cheating, I made
it clear that this was not a statement of fact, but a guess. Let's get the
facts, or stop presuming we have them.
> And if you didn't know why townkilling wasn't allowed, then tell me
> why you invested time finding a way to work around it?
Good point. The loudest complaints are always from PK's and cheats getting
their dirty little tricks taken away, so they cannot dominate the game so
easily any more. Hey, go beat up your baby sister! That way you only hurt
your family.
The Master
Ashley wrote:
> I was only banned for 24 hours.
Shit.
> Hey, Jackass,
To show you that I'm a better man than you are, I'll stop reading at this point.
If you had anything to say in the rest of that splatter of typing, it will never be
seen. If you want to address remarks to me, you can keep it clean and civil, or
you can find yourself killfiled.
The Master
Ashley wrote:
> To all the arrogant assholes out there who "just cannot believe" I can
> kill in town without someone calling the guards: Fuck you!!!
Demonstrating once again that I'm a better man than you are, I'll stop reading
at this point. Clearly you have nothing worthwhile to say, and you are taking
up space that could be used by people who do. Into the killfile with you. I'm
probably not the only one, either. Now you can type dirty words all you want
and no one is going to see them anymore. Goodbye.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
Marc
> > Sheesh! Either you are dumb or you are joking.
>
> See? It's a bad habbit that feeds on itself. Name-calling. Why not rise
> above it? Just leave that part out, and stick to the facts. If you have
> any actual wisdom to share, it will show, without the "moron," "idiot,"
> "asshole," "dumb," etc.
Oh please stop being a smartass. I don't need you to tell me what is appro-
priate and what's not, esp. if ppl like *that* are actually asking for it.
> Hey, go beat up your baby sister! That way you only hurt your family.
You really are a hypocrite. You accuse me of name-calling in two threads and
then this!
Honest Dragon
The Master
Marc wrote:
> > > Sheesh! Either you are dumb or you are joking.
> >
> > See? It's a bad habbit that feeds on itself. Name-calling. Why not rise
> > above it? Just leave that part out, and stick to the facts. If you have
> > any actual wisdom to share, it will show, without the "moron," "idiot,"
> > "asshole," "dumb," etc.
>
> Oh please stop being a smartass.
We'll stop reading at this point. If you had anything to say, it was tossed.
You want to be listend to (read), clean it up. Make yourself worth people's
time. This namecalling is not.
And if I sound like your dad, well, maybe it's time to discover that dad wasn't
really all that wrong.
The Master
Gordon Gano wrote:
> basically you were banned for being a jackass. go back and read their
> TOS and you might figure out why
Hey, all they need is some jackass art, and guys like this ... :-)
--
Corwyn
Bill Gibson wrote:
> You were banned because your doing something the LOOKS LIKE an exploit. It
> doesn't matter if you method doesn't use the popular barktime technique.
> They don't have the time to listen to each person deny that they were doing
> it.
>
I think I missed some messages. What did he dow and what is the barktime
technique?
Jeesh! Took me a while just to figure out what "sup" meant :).
Lord Queso
okay, i believe this guy. There is not ALWAYS an NPC around, it is very rare
for one of them not to be around but it can happen, if it is off peak hours
there may not be "Vender buy the bank from the guards' people, and after a
certain amount of time the guards can not be called anymore, it's why you see
people being chased into town by someone with a heavy x-bow and the guards not
coming to their rescue. It is possible to do what he said and if i doubt he
would even start with the F-U's if you had not harassed and insulted him for
God knows how many posts (wait, i checked, about 20)
Just think about it people, what he did was not a "creative way" of doing
something that was not meant to be done and it was not a bug, IMO it was just
luck/intelligence on his part, i'm sorry he got banned. I'm a thief who steals
from macro'ing idiots in town....you think i deserve to be banned cause the
guards dont come??
Marc
> And if I sound like your dad, well, maybe it's time to discover that dad
> wasn't really all that wrong.
You sure don't sound like my dad and do me a favor and don't compare yourself
to him. *He*s is a reasonable intelligent person, contrary to you.
Honest Dragon
Bahah
There was some lamer named OzzY doing this in Minoc. Sounds like the
same guy.
On Sat, 30 May 1998 17:58:36 -0600, "Stupid" <i...@v-wave.com> wrote:
>Whats your name on pac? heh
>Ashley wrote in message <3570719d...@news.uswest.net>...
The Master
Bahah wrote:
> There was some lamer named OzzY doing this in Minoc. Sounds like the
> same guy.
Ah! Good thing you told us. Now we can watch out for him. On all shards?
The Master
Marc wrote:
> You sure don't sound like my dad and do me a favor and don't compare yourself
Calm down, go back to Sandbox, and try to learn something about getting along
with others.
The Master
Lord Queso wrote:
> okay, i believe this guy. There is not ALWAYS an NPC around, it is very rare
> for one of them not to be around but it can happen, if it is off peak hours
> there may not be "Vender buy the bank from the guards' people, and after a
> certain amount of time the guards can not be called anymore, it's why you see
> people being chased into town by someone with a heavy x-bow and the guards not
> coming to their rescue.
That has always been possible. It as to do with who is the aggressor at the time
you get into town and call guards. That's where some of this TAB TAB discussion
comes from, since you have to turn off combat and autodefend before the guards show
up.
> It is possible to do what he said and if i doubt he
> would even start with the F-U's if you had not harassed and insulted him for
> God knows how many posts (wait, i checked, about 20)
If you are referring to me, the number is 0. I do not harrass, I respond to poor
communication by showing it for what it is. I will not appologize for pointing out
that relationships work better when people are civil, and I do nothing wrong in
refusing to read posts that are nothing more than flames. Regardless of someone's
excuses for FU's, FU's are still not acceptible communications. They are simply
childish attempts to cause injury because the user has run out of anything useful
to say, and I will not cooperate in that assault on me.
> Just think about it people, what he did was not a "creative way" of doing
> something that was not meant to be done and it was not a bug, IMO it was just
> luck/intelligence on his part, i'm sorry he got banned. I'm a thief who steals
> from macro'ing idiots in town....you think i deserve to be banned cause the
> guards dont come??
You're sure that you only steal from macro'ing idiots? they would indeed have to
be idiots to be macro'ing un-Hidden, in front of a bank, where anyone with a notion
to steal can take everything they have, but are you sure? Such generalizations are
usually wrong.
I have been stolen from, and I have never "macro'ed" (external program to "play"
the game for me to run up a skill or stat), and I am (I will, of course, get flamed
for this) a certified genius (Mensa), not an idiot. Of course, maybe it was
someone else who stole from me? Not a Good thief like yourself?
Banned? Perhaps not. (I still don't know just what the guy did, or just why he
got banned -- maybe that was explained to someone, but not me, since I only read
civil posts -- so I'll just leave the speculation to those who like to do that.)
But I DO think that PvP thieving should be removed from the game. It contributes
nothing, causes major distractions, unnecessary additional work to avoid it, and is
wanted by only a tiny minority, who are really playing a separate game at our
expense.
And all the anti-social types who's main focus is coming up with ways to kill other
player characters, I think they really need to go back to the beginning, choose
better parents, and learn to live a kinder, gentler life.
But that's my opinion.
Marc
> > You sure don't sound like my dad and do me a favor and don't compare
> > yourself
>
> Calm down, go back to Sandbox, and try to learn something about getting
> along with others.
I get perfectly along with others as long as they aren't idiots like you.
You *really* are the worst hypocrite I met so far. All the time
complaining about mud throwing (or flaming or whatever else) and *trying*
to put on an air of superiority (failing at this by far) but are yourself
a literal mudcannon/flame thrower.
Honest Dragon
Ashley
On Wed, 03 Jun 1998 12:59:23 +0200, Marc <Mar...@munich.netsurf.de>
wrote:
couldn't have said it better myself
ashley
Lord Queso
i really dont think it is such a tiny minority as you say, besides, i'd rather
be part of this tiny minority that contributes
nothing, causes major distractions, unnecessary additional work to avoid it,
The Master
Marc wrote:
> I get perfectly along with others as long as they aren't idiots like you.
We'll stop reading at this point. All the rest was tossed.
--
Marc
Then again, thieves are lots of fun, too ... for the thief :)
Honest Dragon
Lord Queso
>Then again, thieves are lots of fun, too ... for the thief :)
>
>
damn straight
:o)
Ashley
On 04 Jun 1998 15:02:46 GMT, lord...@aol.com (Lord Queso) wrote:
>>Then again, thieves are lots of fun, too ... for the thief :)
>>
>>
>
>damn straight
>
That's it!!! I gotta stop reading now. All these curse words... I
cant take it.
ashley
Lord Queso
>That's it!!! I gotta stop reading now. All these curse words... I
>cant take it.
>
>
o come on. "Damn" is hardly a curse word, and i consider "Damn Straight" an
expression, not an expletive (ever seen that simpson's episode in which homer
says it, or am i just digging myself into a deaper whole when i mention that?)
Ashley
I am also a member of Munsa. It's an off shoot of Mensa. That should
prove to you just how smart I am. So, dont insult me, damnit. See,
damnit isn't a curse word. The ancient druids used the word to
describe frustration, but it had absolutely nothing to do with the D
word. See how civil and smart I am. You were just about to go in my
kill file with such bad language as that, until you mentioned the
Simpsons. Mmmm, doughnuts....
MattN
Hmmmm.... IMHO, it would seem if they (Origin) were going for as
realistic a game as possible, attacking, killing, etc. in towns should be
allowed, considering how often that happened in Medieval Europe (or anywhere
else, for that matter.)
BlueBottle of Napa
Interesting - I guess one way to enable this is if Origin creates "no-go"
zones inside a city where guards don't enjoy lofty status (or even venture
into) - ghetto-like places where "shady dealing" can take place.
MattN <afn1...@afn.org> wrote in article
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Giles Hjort-Tyson
What would be nice would be if in every town except Britain, guards were
made into regular mortal NPCs. Give them heavy crossbows and GM skills or
whatever, and have 4 teleport in if called, but remove the instant death
stuff. Also make a limit on the guards in a city, say 40 for a city like
vesper, so in theory a clan could kill them all and control the city (as
long as they kill new guards as they spawn). Keep regular guards in Britain
so there is one completely safe city. I'm sure this wouldn't work very well
exactly as I'm writing it, but tweaks could be made. I really think it would
help the game if cities weren't 100% safe.
Drakantus, novice herbalist
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