What? No speaka engrish?"
reds...@nospamtexas.net
Is it me, or does Napa have a lot of people that don't speak English
on it. It's really fun trying to have a conversation with soomeone
when they reply with a, "No speak English." What do I expect when
there are names like Suzuki Mazkawa, etc etc. Not that I there's
anything wrong with it or anything. : P
Gordon Gano
i've found that a lot of people from japan and germany tend to frequent
the servers when i do and they all speak their own language (jap/german)
but they do however seem to know a few english phrases: help, heal, rez,
gate (the name of the city they want gated to) my stuff, and a few other
things. well, my thoughts are, if you can't (or especially WON'T) speak
english around me when i'm playing, then dont' expect help from me when
you come running back with 1 hp left and poisioned from that giant
serpent
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Sonny B.
Isn't that a bit arrogant? It is the INTERnet after all. Remind me not
to heal/cure/help you if you don't adress me in fluent danish!
On Sun, 07 Jun 1998 16:49:15 -0500, Gordon Gano
<gordo...@NOSPAM.iname.com> wrote:
<snip>
Terry Wilcox
Gordon Gano <gordo...@NOSPAM.iname.com> wrote in article
<357B0A...@NOSPAM.iname.com>...
> things. well, my thoughts are, if you can't (or especially WON'T) speak
> english around me when i'm playing, then dont' expect help from me when
> you come running back with 1 hp left and poisioned from that giant
> serpent
You won't help people because they can't or won't speak English while
you're playing?
When's the last time any of them refused to help you simply because you
won't speak Japanese or German while they're playing.
Why do so many people have trouble with the fact that UO is an
international, not American, game? Who cares what language people speak?
What difference does it make?
Terry Wilcox
Gordon Gano
Sonny B. wrote:
>
> Isn't that a bit arrogant? It is the INTERnet after all. Remind me not
> to heal/cure/help you if you don't adress me in fluent danish!
arrogant it may be, though there are a few of these 'forigners' that i'm
friends with, it's the ones that refuse to speak english when playing,
just so others dont know what their saying (or at least they think we
dont know what their saying. my german's rather rusty, but i did get a B
in highschool =) basically the one's i'm talking about are the ones that
will hold a conversation with you untill the rest of their clan shows
up, then only speak german or japanese to each other. if you dont want
us to know what your saying, then whisper [; ] but when i pick up
phrases such as blackplate and energy vortex in parts of your
conversation, and me or someone i know is the only one wearing
blackplate armor, then most certanally DO NOT expect any help from me
whatsoever.
Labuser
I have to agree with Terry. English is not an easy language to learn.
Haha. Go ahead, try to say "Where is the sword?" in French. It isn't so
easy. The close minded xenophobe, a dying race?
Labuser
Considering your post Sting, I can assure you with great certainty that
these 'foreigners' who speak crappy English are smarter than you. After
all, they speak their native language fulently and speak a second language
very badly. How many languages do you speak badly? Besides, how many
intelligent people do you know with attitudes similar to yours? Haha.
The 'foreigners' have already had their revenge against you because you
are what you are. Too bad Sting, maybe you'll do better in the next life.
> St...@Napa.Valley wrote:
> >
> > Is it me, or does Napa have a lot of people that don't speak English
> > on it. It's really fun trying to have a conversation with soomeone
> > when they reply with a, "No speak English." What do I expect when
> > there are names like Suzuki Mazkawa, etc etc. Not that I there's
> > anything wrong with it or anything. : P
>
> i've found that a lot of people from japan and germany tend to frequent
> the servers when i do and they all speak their own language (jap/german)
> but they do however seem to know a few english phrases: help, heal, rez,
> gate (the name of the city they want gated to) my stuff, and a few other
Belial
Speaking of which, whats up with the ^^''
eg: domo^^' ^^_ mitsuichi^^ you suck^^ I call GM^^ You say Jap^^
foamy
<snipped>
>> english around me when i'm playing, then dont' expect help from me when
>> you come running back with 1 hp left and poisioned from that giant
>> serpent
I play on Napa, I live on the West coast of Canada, and perhaps because of the
time I play, I encounter many Japanese players. I have always found them to be
very courteous and creative. One time in Shame, I was watching two Japanese
players fighting a couple of snakes when a pk came through. Both started to
run, one escaped followed by the pk, and the other died by poison. The ghost
took off. I grabbed her stuff and went outside waiting for her return after
being ress'd. I noticed she had a magic crossbow, my weapon of choice, but
she was a warrior. When she got back, I returned her stuff, accepted her
thanks gallantly, and decided to ask if she might want to sell her xbow.
me.......would you like to sell your magic cross bow ?
her.......crossbow ?
me....... yes
her........you like ?
me........yes
her........thank you
me........no, can I buy your crossbow ?
her........crossbow ?
me.........yes, can I pay you for it ?
her.........you like ?
At this stage I figured that crossbow just was not destined to be mine, unless
I could learn Japanese very quickly. When all of a sudden my trade window
opened with the crossbow in her window, with her button checked. I asked,
me........can I give you money ?
her........you like ?
me........yes
her........thank you
After 30 seconds of silence, I checked the button. Thanked her very much, she
said, " Thank you ", and wandered off.
I think it was a gift. :-)
Jim Clarke
foamy / napa valley
The Master
Sonny B. wrote:
> Isn't that a bit arrogant? It is the INTERnet after all. Remind me not
> to heal/cure/help you if you don't adress me in fluent danish!
What a cheesey thing to say. <rimshot!>
It is an AMERICAN invention, after all. A little courtesy for those of us who
made it possible, and (should I say it? YES!) make the world safe for
democracy, Might be in order, instead of the never-ending American-bashing we
see so much of.
Oh well, cest levi! Wakarimasu?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
Remove the NOSPAM_ to reply.
The Master
Jonathan Aitken wrote:
> Oh dear - the old 'some of my friends are foreigners....'
>
> People can do exactly the same thing with ICQ - the issue here is about people
> being assholes, not their nationality.
Yabut it seems like Everybody's assholes, except us Americans!
(IT's a JOKE! LAUGH!)
Jonathan Aitken
Oh dear - the old 'some of my friends are foreigners....'
People can do exactly the same thing with ICQ - the issue here is about people
being assholes, not their nationality.
Otara, Napa
J+K Design
The Master
>
> > Isn't that a bit arrogant? It is the INTERnet after all. Remind me not
> > to heal/cure/help you if you don't adress me in fluent danish!
>
> What a cheesey thing to say. <rimshot!>
>
> It is an AMERICAN invention, after all. A little courtesy for those of
us who
> made it possible, and (should I say it? YES!) make the world safe for
> democracy, Might be in order, instead of the never-ending
American-bashing we
> see so much of.
*sound of hoards of foaming americans masterbating to the tunes of the
national anthem*
And Americans invented the internet?
Hohohohoho, hehehehehehe, hahahahahaha . . .
I guess they must have invented democracy to . . .
Thank goodness for Uncle Spam!!!
Sonny B.
>It is an AMERICAN invention, after all. A little courtesy for those of us who
>made it possible, and (should I say it? YES!)
The WWW is invented in Switzerland. Does that mean that all homepages
should be in german, french or italian?
My point was, that it would be nice with a little tolerance. When I
speak with my danish friends in UO, we speak danish. It's a lot faster
to express yourself in your native language. I'm so privileged, that I
can make myself understandable in other languages aswell, so I can
communicate with all the english and german speaking people to. I
don't speak a word japanese, but if some japanese player comes up to
me saying "heal", I would understand what he wanted, and I can't see
why I shouldn't help him? It isn't a crime to be unable to speak
english!
The same goes for you. I will treat you as a friend until proven an
enemy. Regardless of nationality.
> make the world safe for
>democracy, Might be in order, instead of the never-ending American-bashing we
>see so much of.
This is a joke, right? BTW. Democracy is a french invention. Should
all parlaments be discussing in french? I'm sure, that that is what
the french themselves really want!
Sonny B.
Bertel, Expert Newbie (Catskills)
jsc...@on-line.de
Hey Sonny,
It´s a pleasure reading your post. You have knowledge and style in
dealing with stupid "we invented everything" messages.
14 years ago when I was in the US the first time, people asked me if we
have real roads and VCRs and TV back in europe. Thats ignorant.
Hehehehe they also asked me if I´m from west or east germany.
I asked them if they ever met someone from east germany in their live.
[sarcasm on]
hehehe. So I think someone who is not able to speak english is not as
dangerous as people who have no basic knowledge except sportnews and
local news.
[sarcasm off]
Sonny B. schrieb:
Jonathan Aitken
Words fail me.
I rate this 4.5 on the troll factor, 2.5 on the intellectualism factor, and 5.5
on the obnoxious patriotism index. Must try harder.
Otara, Napa
The Master <NOSPAM_...@uswest.net> wrote:
>It is an AMERICAN invention, after all. A little courtesy for those of us who
>made it possible, and (should I say it? YES!) make the world safe for
>democracy, Might be in order, instead of the never-ending American-bashing we
>see so much of.
>
>Oh well, cest levi! Wakarimasu?
>
Jonathan Aitken
Heh - you're a twit.
(Its a joke - LAUGH)
J. Aitken
The Master <NOSPAM_...@uswest.net> wrote:
>
>Yabut it seems like Everybody's assholes, except us Americans!
>
>(IT's a JOKE! LAUGH!)
>
Takis
>This is a joke, right? BTW. Democracy is a french invention. Should
>all parlaments be discussing in french? I'm sure, that that is what
>the french themselves really want!
HAHAHAHAHAHA,dead wrong friend.Democracy is not an invention after all.And
it was a GREEK issue so many years back in time when France was inhabited by
Asterix.Read a book of history.Democracy a French invention.That was a good
century joke.
Sonny B.
Sorry Takis. Off course you're right. It was a slip of mind... I was
thinking in the lines of parlementarism.
On Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:08:45 +0300, "Takis" <x...@xxx.xx> wrote:
>HAHAHAHAHAHA,dead wrong friend.Democracy is not an invention after all.And
>it was a GREEK issue so many years back in time when France was inhabited by
>Asterix.Read a book of history.Democracy a French invention.That was a good
>century joke.
>
>
Sonny B.
Bertel, Adept Newbie (Catskills)
Yakuza Style
i cant resist, but the internet WAS created (as far as i know) by americans,
for nuclear US military bases to communicate with one another.. if im wrong,
then please correct me, and point me towards something that will give me the
right information... and as far as forginers on UO.. i dont really think
people care if your english isnt good, they care if your being an asshole
(which i happen to find that alot of the non-english speaking people are..)
dont get me wrong.. the assholes are probably %99 percent english
speaking... but i can think of many-a-time when i was in trouble, and they
just stood there watching me, or walked away without saying anything, then
their ghost runs back on the screen, and they say "rez" "heal" and when i
say "sorry, i cant rez" they say something like "fuck you shit fuck".. who
is teaching them their 5 words of english? probably US!
a common misconception is that people who dont speak english=stupid.. im
sure that they are quite intelligent, and can communicate quite well in
their own language.. but there is also being plain rude, and not being
rude..
>> > Isn't that a bit arrogant? It is the INTERnet after all. Remind me not
>> > to heal/cure/help you if you don't adress me in fluent danish!
>>
>> What a cheesey thing to say. <rimshot!>
>>
>> It is an AMERICAN invention, after all. A little courtesy for those of
>us who
>> made it possible, and (should I say it? YES!) make the world safe for
>> democracy, Might be in order, instead of the never-ending
>American-bashing we
>> see so much of.
>
Radnor
In article <357B2AE1...@netins.net>, eatyo...@netins.net says...
> Speaking of which, whats up with the ^^''
> eg: domo^^' ^^_ mitsuichi^^ you suck^^ I call GM^^ You say Jap^^
>
I believe it's their equivalent of the US expression --> :)
^^ sorta resembles a happy sort of face. All you're seeing is the eyes.
At least, that's what is _looks_ like to me. Could mean something
completely different. ^^, err... :)
--
___ __________________________________________________
(___| Kevin Lo |___AKA Radnor, Catskills_______Callsign: KF4JXF___)
"You are in a twisty little maze of URL's, all different."
Radnor
In article <897272824.443110@michelob>, fo...@sprint.ca says...
If the thing your complimenting is not utterly ridiculous, i.e. saying
to the CEO of Mitsubishi, "I like your corporation...", it's a cultural
faux pas for them NOT to offer you the item you compliment. It's supposed
to make you happy, and makes them look nice/humble/honorable/whatever. In
most cases, if you really like something, and you let them know it, it
will be very difficult to get away without them giving it to you.
However, it is also considered polite to take the gift, but later on
give a gift in return. Not saying "This was for <X>"... but pretending
it's just a gift out of the blue. That way both sides save face, and
everybody is happy. (Yeah, right :)
But they won't be allowed to complain if you decide to just cheat them
and keep the thing.
This supposedly works well with strangers/foreigners, but don't expect
to get loaded from approaching every Japanese player and complimenting
them on their items. :)
I have heard of cases where a foreigner compliments something valuable,
like a nice laquer chest, and the owner just gives it over. Nice people,
those Japanese!
The Master
Yakuza Style wrote:
> i cant resist, but the internet WAS created (as far as i know) by americans,
> for nuclear US military bases to communicate with one another.. if im wrong,
> then please correct me,
You are wrong. (And just what is a nuclear US base?) It was created to link
university computers together in a way that would be survivable in the event a
nuclear war. Of course, those computers were engaged in Military stuff (running
games of space invaders and Star Trek).
The Master
Sonny B. wrote:
> This is a joke, right? BTW. Democracy is a french invention.
Of course it is. That's why they had their Revolution ... uh, After ours. Hmmmm.
The Master
Takis wrote:
> >This is a joke, right? BTW. Democracy is a french invention. Should
> >all parlaments be discussing in french? I'm sure, that that is what
> >the french themselves really want!
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHA,dead wrong friend.Democracy is not an invention after all.And
> it was a GREEK issue so many years back in time when France was inhabited by
> Asterix.Read a book of history.Democracy a French invention.That was a good
> century joke.
Actually, what the Ionian Greeks had was hardly more a democracy than republican
Rome. There are documents surviving from there showing discussions in which it
was pointed out that the real rulership had to put on a good show of letting the
people seem to have their influence. The Greeks were no more democratic that
was England after the Magna Carta. The Dutch state was kinda sorta less of a
rulership, being mainly concerned with rule by business and financiers. Same
for some of the Italian states, but no One Man One Vote. Certainly no right to
free speech, no right of assembly, and no right to hold public office.
I'm afraid we will just have to leave the invention of something like modern
democracy with the Americans. Then all of Europe slowly began to topple in the
same direction, but they just had to have that weird throwback, the Parliament.
Terry Wilcox
Gordon Gano <gordo...@NOSPAM.iname.com> wrote in article
<357B21...@NOSPAM.iname.com>...
> arrogant it may be, though there are a few of these 'forigners' that i'm
> friends with, it's the ones that refuse to speak english when playing,
> just so others dont know what their saying (or at least they think we
> dont know what their saying. my german's rather rusty, but i did get a B
I have this problem with the language formerly known as English.
You see, I don't understand terms like 'sup?' and 'lol'. They're not
English. They seem to be from some Americanized version of English. I find
that the vast majority of obnoxious PKs speak this language.
It must be some kind of code.
English also has rules for punctuation and capitalization, so I'm having
some trouble understanding the post I'm replying to. Why don't these people
speak English correctly if they're going to claim to be English speakers?
Terry Wilcox
Terry Wilcox
The Master <NOSPAM_...@uswest.net> wrote in article
<357B8641...@uswest.net>...
> It is an AMERICAN invention, after all. A little courtesy for those of
us who
> made it possible, and (should I say it? YES!) make the world safe for
> democracy, Might be in order, instead of the never-ending
American-bashing we
> see so much of.
A little courtesy for who? Did you notice the subject of this thread? It's
not a racial slur against Americans, is it?
Instead of a little courtesy for Americans, how about a little courtesy
from Americans? It doesn't take a whole lot of effort to not insult the
rest of the world.
> Oh well, cest levi! Wakarimasu?
C'est la vie? Non.
Terry Wilcox
Yakuza Style
I said correct me if i was WRONG...
http://www.stimulus.com/education/preface.html
One of the biggest misconceptions about the Internet, is that it was
planned. The Internet was indirectly created back in the '60s by the US
government during the Cold War. The government was tired of mailing magnetic
tapes back and forth between computers. So they decided to devise a way to
link computers together using cables.
Radnor
In article <357C02F3...@uswest.net>, NOSPAM_...@uswest.net
says...
Actually, it started out as a simple packet-switching network called
ARPANET, a design which the internet utilizes today. It was created by
the US Department of Defense as a method for continually transmitting /
receiving data even if nodes go down (i.e. a nuclear war). ARPANET then
spread to Universities in the early 70's. It was not until 1990 that
NSFNET took over ARPANET, and the rest is history. :)
I am, therefore I be
On Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:59:14 -0400, "Yakuza Style"
<Yakuz...@email.msn.com> wrotf:
>dont get me wrong.. the assholes are probably %99 percent english
>speaking... but i can think of many-a-time when i was in trouble, and they
WRONG
I was looted by a bunch of French speakers who said who knows what as
they looted me.
Some Yakuza style speakers also eved me in Deceit.
So change that 99 to atleast 80
John
I am, therefore I be
On Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:27:47 -0700, The Master
<NOSPAM_...@uswest.net> wrotf:
>Yakuza Style wrote:
>
>> i cant resist, but the internet WAS created (as far as i know) by americans,
>> for nuclear US military bases to communicate with one another.. if im wrong,
>> then please correct me,
>
>You are wrong. (And just what is a nuclear US base?) It was created to link
>university computers together in a way that would be survivable in the event a
Nope sorry. It was designed so the military could talk to each each
other whent he bombs flew. Universities were tossed on their so their
"research" departments could stay in touch with each other and
possibly their "funding sources" Give you three guesses where the
money came from.
>nuclear war. Of course, those computers were engaged in Military stuff (running
>games of space invaders and Star Trek).
>
George
Sonny B. wrote in message <357ba7c9....@news.tele.dk>...
>On Sun, 07 Jun 1998 23:35:45 -0700, The Master
><NOSPAM_...@uswest.net> wrote:
>
>The WWW is invented in Switzerland. Does that mean that all homepages
>should be in german, french or italian?
>
WHAT?? I think you are mistaken. The Internet was started by the Pentagon
as a way to make a network that could withstand a nuclear attack and still
stay up.
Unknown
>St...@Napa.Valley wrote:
>>
>> Is it me, or does Napa have a lot of people that don't speak English
>> on it. It's really fun trying to have a conversation with soomeone
>> when they reply with a, "No speak English." What do I expect when
>> there are names like Suzuki Mazkawa, etc etc. Not that I there's
>> anything wrong with it or anything. : P
>
>i've found that a lot of people from japan and germany tend to frequent
>the servers when i do and they all speak their own language (jap/german)
>but they do however seem to know a few english phrases: help, heal, rez,
>gate (the name of the city they want gated to) my stuff, and a few other
>things. well, my thoughts are, if you can't (or especially WON'T) speak
>english around me when i'm playing, then dont' expect help from me when
>you come running back with 1 hp left and poisioned from that giant
>serpent
Yes well put Gordon
And of course YOU could always Blade Spirit them. Especially if you
having one of your "Bad Days" as you tend to do eh ?
Terry Wilcox
George <mr...@pacbell.net> wrote in article
<6lhaq6$v10$4...@nnrp3.snfc21.pbi.net>...
> Sonny B. wrote in message <357ba7c9....@news.tele.dk>...
> >The WWW is invented in Switzerland. Does that mean that all homepages
> >should be in german, french or italian?
> WHAT?? I think you are mistaken. The Internet was started by the
Pentagon
> as a way to make a network that could withstand a nuclear attack and
still
> stay up.
The WWW is not the Internet. Tim Berners-Lee came up with the HTTP protocol
in Switzerland. He's responsible for the WWW, which is responsible for the
modern day popularity of the Internet.
I guess that just proves the "but it was made here" argument is as stupid
as it sounds.
The Internet is international. If people don't like that idea, there's
always AOL. It is, after all, _America_ On-Line.
Terry Wilcox
Chris Leahy
Radnor wrote in message ...
>says...
> Actually, it started out as a simple packet-switching network called
>ARPANET, a design which the internet utilizes today. It was created by
>the US Department of Defense as a method for continually transmitting /
>receiving data even if nodes go down (i.e. a nuclear war). ARPANET then
>spread to Universities in the early 70's. It was not until 1990 that
>NSFNET took over ARPANET, and the rest is history. :)
This is correct, although Arpanet split off from the more collegiate based
Internet a while ago, There were still a lot of gateways between them.
Actually, if anyone wants proof that it started in America, look at the
domain
structure. This distinction is dissapearing these days, but other countries
have dns names ending with a different two characters. (ca for Canada,
de for Germany, etc) This happened when other countries were pulled in.
The US, being the original, doesn't use these, though the WERE created.
This is NOT to say that America did all the work!!! Many other countries
had their own versions of the Internet, and were just hooked in. The
Internet
is an amalgamation of a LOT of networks these days.
BTW, I think that when a game is played on the Internet, the we Americans
should just learn to LIVE with other people not speaking English! We don't
own the Internet, and this is more of an Internet issue than an OSI one! If
you
don't like it, learn another language! Europe has been doing this for
years,
but we've avoided it because we're so big, our population is isolated from
non-English speaking people. Well, we've led the way in Global network
communications, we have to become open minded enough to accept the
consequences rather than expecting everyone to adapt to US!
Ingot Head
Atlantic
Legion
On Mon, 08 Jun 1998 18:01:50 GMT, tub...@ix.netcom.com (bizbee)
wrote:
>On Sun, 07 Jun 1998 16:49:15 -0500, Gordon Gano
><gordo...@NOSPAM.iname.com> wrote:
>
>>St...@Napa.Valley wrote:
>>>
>>> Is it me, or does Napa have a lot of people that don't speak English
>>> on it. It's really fun trying to have a conversation with soomeone
>>> when they reply with a, "No speak English." What do I expect when
>>> there are names like Suzuki Mazkawa, etc etc. Not that I there's
>>> anything wrong with it or anything. : P
>>
>>i've found that a lot of people from japan and germany tend to frequent
>>the servers when i do and they all speak their own language (jap/german)
>>but they do however seem to know a few english phrases: help, heal, rez,
>>gate (the name of the city they want gated to) my stuff, and a few other
>>things. well, my thoughts are, if you can't (or especially WON'T) speak
>>english around me when i'm playing, then dont' expect help from me when
>>you come running back with 1 hp left and poisioned from that giant
>>serpent
>
>Good, you guys can put on your white robes and hoods and go ride
>through the countryside killin niggers and Jews. Now you can add
>people that don't speak English to your list. It's the amerikan way.
I think you are over reacting a little bit. 1st, this person may
actually be Japanese that posted. 2nd if he is white (what is white
anyway?) then he also mentions Germans.
If I posted that I think Germans need to speak english when they play
would I be eligible for a hood? Keep in mind I am nearly 100% German
myself...
On a side note, Americans need to realize that there are other
countries out ther.
AND a Joke.
Q. What do you call someone who speaks 3 languages?
A. Tri-lingual
Q. What do you call someone who speaks 2 languages?
A. Bi-lingual
Q. What do you call someone who speaks 1 language?
A. American
Jaquar - Lake Superior
(it's a Q not a G)
Reavers Website : http://www.huneyvaughn.com/reavers
Xendar
On Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:29:20 -0400, k...@spam.bigfoot.spam.com (Radnor)
expressed the following:
> I have heard of cases where a foreigner compliments something valuable,
>like a nice laquer chest, and the owner just gives it over. Nice people,
>those Japanese!
A pity we U.S. Citizens can't seem to take a lesson or two from the Asian
peoples of the world. Here in America we have the "Screw 'em before they have
a chance to screw me" attitude... in short, we're most often a quite
unamicable and unpleasant bunch of savages. ;-)
The Now Famed, and Formerly Great Lord Xendar
Royal Ranger, The Royal Blades, Vesper, GL
Interim Mayor, The Council of Honor, Trinsic, GL
Dundee
>>things. well, my thoughts are, if you can't (or especially WON'T) speak
>>english around me when i'm playing, then dont' expect help from me when
>>you come running back with 1 hp left and poisioned from that giant
>>serpent
Quite a while back though, I went to Shame alone and hooked up with
someone else who was there alone. We killed monsters, spilt the loot,
healed one another and otherwise got along just peachy. He didn't
speak a lick of English though, and I don't speak whatever language he
does. We played together for a couple of hours, though. Fun time.
--
Dundee of Lake Superior - Skep...@SPAMISantisocial.com
Townstone proposal and Other Stuff:
http://dundee.uong.com
we...@bconnex.net
That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You have been attacked by
two non-english speaking playes, how many english have you been
attacked by? I personally have been attacked only by english speaking
players, and I have met many French people in the woods, even been
cured a couple times. Don't ruin the game by making it a race or
language issue.
weld
Jonathan Aitken
Its an international communications medium - its irrelevant who invented it in
regard to telling people how to behave on it.
What are you going to do, take the internet away from foreign countries if they
dont behave how you like?
Otara, Napa
Jonathan Aitken
This was exactly my experience with someone who helped me out big time as a
newbie, and I had a great time fighting a giant spider and getting healed - Lady
Elsa, I will never forget you.
Otara, Napa
Guilherme Daniel
Well, I am 14 and live in Brazil. I do speak english. Not that well,
but well enough so that most people will think I am american. No, I am
not a Pk and yes, I do roleplay most of the time. I play alone usually,
so I don't speak portuguese a lot while playing. But when my friends are
online, of course I am going to speak with them in portuguese. I just
don't see why people are annoyed just because someone can't speak your
language. Well, they try, don't they? So, give them a chance!
Aurax Halfmoon, Sonoma
James H. Banks
Terry Wilcox wrote:
> Gordon Gano <gordo...@NOSPAM.iname.com> wrote in article
> <357B0A...@NOSPAM.iname.com>...
> > things. well, my thoughts are, if you can't (or especially WON'T) speak
> > english around me when i'm playing, then dont' expect help from me when
> > you come running back with 1 hp left and poisioned from that giant
> > serpent
>
> You won't help people because they can't or won't speak English while
> you're playing?
>
> When's the last time any of them refused to help you simply because you
> won't speak Japanese or German while they're playing.
>
> Why do so many people have trouble with the fact that UO is an
> international, not American, game? Who cares what language people speak?
> What difference does it make?
>
> Terry Wilcox
Well said Terry.
What a wonderful opportunity that would be to really role-play. Imagine
yourself the healer, and you've found a wounded warrior, babbling in an
unknown tongue, in the woods. Would you just kick him in the side and walk
away leaving him to die, cursing him for not making himself understood, as
the previous poster indicated he deserved? Hell no! You'd go ahead and heal
him, hoping to learn more of this far-traveling warrior. After all, you're a
healer, you heal. Period. Well, maybe not a murderer, of course. But anyone
blue.
GL Glaeken
foamy
Aurax: If you speak English half as well as you write it, you are doing fine.
Congratulations. :-)
Jim Clarke
foamy / napa valley
foamy
In article <357C9138...@po.cwru.edu>, jx...@po.cwru.edu wrote:
>And to add another comment, the number of pks of any given language
>probably reflects the number of people of that language that play the
>game. Given that there would appear to be more English speaking UO
>players, the majority of pks would very likely speak english.
I disagree. I would think that the USA has the highest number of pk's per
capita in the game. I believe there is a cultural component to pk's, and their
behavior most closely reflects a segment of American youth. You don't have to
see the language they speak, one indication of their country of origin is
inherent in their names.
Fomar
Thank you Mr. Bizbee!
I was about to post a similar statement. I can't believe this thread even
started. Next there will be a petition to be able to make Ankhs so we can
burn them in front of player's houses!!!! A UO Klan rally!! THAT will be the
day I quit UO.
What century is this!!!! WTF!!!
Balthantazaar, Baja
bizbee wrote in message <357d269a...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
Dopester
i think you will find most shards are very multicultural, which is
fantastic.. I know on Sonoma there are lots of Japanese players, along with
us Aussies ;]
my fave is: "sorry, no ABC..."
St...@Napa.Valley wrote in message <357bc387...@news.texas.net>...
Takis
>Actually, what the Ionian Greeks had was hardly more a democracy than
republican
>Rome.
Well ,i live in Greece,i am Greek of course,and never heard of Ionian
Greeks.Unless you mean some of the first tribes that inhabited the southern
region of Greece and were called Iones (in Greek that is).Ionian is a part
of the sea
between Greece and Italy.
There are documents surviving from there showing discussions in which it
>was pointed out that the real rulership had to put on a good show of
letting the
>people seem to have their influence. The Greeks were no more democratic
that
>was England after the Magna Carta.
Sorry to say but you have to read more carefully next time you open a
history book or perhaps buy a better one.There was indeed DEMOCRACY in
ATHENS.People used to write their opinion on shells and then counted them to
find out what they should do for a person or something else.Maybe that
reminds you of something familiar?And there was a court.They just didnt took
the heads of everyone like in Mediaeval age.
The Dutch state was kinda sorta less of a
>rulership, being mainly concerned with rule by business and financiers.
Same
>for some of the Italian states, but no One Man One Vote. Certainly no
right to
>free speech, no right of assembly, and no right to hold public office.
Read above.
>
>I'm afraid we will just have to leave the invention of something like
modern
>democracy with the Americans. Then all of Europe slowly began to topple in
the
>same direction, but they just had to have that weird throwback, the
Parliament.
Well i have no problem with Americans.Many friends of mine are
Americans.Like Brazilians.Or Mexicans.Arent they in America too?Ok i have
many friends in NY and CA.The problem
with USA people is that some of them,if not most of them,think that
everything in existance in this planet is theirs.I dont want to offend
anyone,but you know you`re just a young country compared with Europe`s
nations,and more compared to Greeks,Egyptians,Chinese or many many others.So
just let someone have the pleasure of having invented something before the
"Americans".Sorry for any mistakes in writting.
jx...@po.cwru.edu
I would have to say I have no idea what language many of those that
attack me speak, as so few have so much as said a word to me.
jx...@po.cwru.edu
And to add another comment, the number of pks of any given language
probably reflects the number of people of that language that play the
game. Given that there would appear to be more English speaking UO
players, the majority of pks would very likely speak english.
Xendar
>Oh well, cest levi! Wakarimasu?
I believe the term you're shooting for is "c'est la vie."
Ironic in the midst of an "admire the mighty Americans" thread you should make
a failed attempt at a foreign language...
Ron
Maybe everybody from different language-speaking countries should get
together and battle it out one night across UO... or we could have
english-speaking versus "everyone else"
:)
-Ron
Chris Leahy wrote in message ...
J+K Design
So where did modern democracy come from? Obviously it had many contributing
influences but the three crucial events are the three great bourgeoisie
(capitalist) revolutions.
Stage one English Civil War
stage two american Revolution
stage three the French Revolution
Certainly the American revolution played a major role in advancing
bourgoise (capitalist) democracy. However it was still short of modern
"democracy" - Negro's and women did not get the vote.
A certain similarity in with ancient Athens in which the slaves and women
did not get the vote. However, contrary to the Masters suggestions, there
were popular Assemblies (We still have records from them) and the level of
democracy (within the restraints mentioned) was very high as the population
was relatively low and the land area small. There were of course many
abuses as there are in modern "democracies." Just like the USA, Athens was
not to particular about democracy in regard to its colonies and allies.
The idea of attributing modern "democracy" to any nation is absurd in
extreme. Bourgoisie democracy was, primarily, the product of the
revolutionary bourgoisie struggliing to overturn feudal rule. Of course
once they had achieved the goal of overthrowing feudalism, democracy has
been limited to what is forced out of them - it is necessary to have the
support of a larger section of society and bourgois democracy can play a
useful role in drawing in broader elemnets of society behind bourgois rule.
Ron
I think it's cool that we have so many people with different languages
playing the game. For me at least, it adds to the feeling that I'm in
another world.
well, that's my take on it at least.
-Ron
foamy wrote in message <897374399.814294@michelob>...
>In article <357C9138...@po.cwru.edu>, jx...@po.cwru.edu wrote:
>>And to add another comment, the number of pks of any given language
>>probably reflects the number of people of that language that play the
>>game. Given that there would appear to be more English speaking UO
>>players, the majority of pks would very likely speak english.
>
>
The Master
Xendar wrote:
> A pity we U.S. Citizens can't seem to take a lesson or two from the Asian
> peoples of the world. Here in America we have the "Screw 'em before they have
> a chance to screw me" attitude... in short, we're most often a quite
> unamicable and unpleasant bunch of savages. ;-)
The term you are looking for when speaking of yourself is not "we."
--
Gordon Gano
The Master wrote:
> A pity we U.S. Citizens can't seem to take a lesson or two from the
Asian
> peoples of the world. Here in America we have the "Screw 'em before
they have
> a chance to screw me" attitude... in short, we're most often a quite
> unamicable and unpleasant bunch of savages. ;-)
HEY! i happen to be asian, and also have the 'screw 'em before they
screw me' attitude! =P
--
,> )\ `a_ Lord Gordon Gano _a' /(
( _ )/ /{_~~Adept Swordsman~~_}\ \( -
`(,)_,)/ Chesapeake \(,_(,\\
,<_ ,<_. ._>, _>,``==>
The Master
Gordon Gano wrote:
> HEY! i happen to be asian, and also have the 'screw 'em before they
> screw me' attitude! =P
See? Screw-Em knows no national or racial boundaries!
The Master
Ron wrote:
> Maybe everybody from different language-speaking countries should get
> together and battle it out one night across UO... or we could have
> english-speaking versus "everyone else"
Yabut what sort of competition? A spamming contest? HAW HAW HAW!
J+K Design
>Gordon Gano <gordo...@NOSPAM.iname.com> wrote:
> >i've found that a lot of people from japan and germany tend to frequent
> >the servers when i do and they all speak their own language (jap/german)
> >but they do however seem to know a few english phrases: help, heal, rez,
> >gate (the name of the city they want gated to) my stuff, and a few other
> >english around me when i'm playing, then dont' expect help from me when
> >you come running back with 1 hp left and poisioned from that giant
> >serpent
Thats pathetic. You got no empathy for what its like to try to communicate
in a foriegn langauge.
So hey you're the staunch bigot who "don't heal no funny foriegners who
don't speaka da english" - should we applaud?
"There art none so blind as a bigot"
Ingot Head
Jonathan Aitken wrote in message <357c5c38...@news.ozemail.com.au>...
>This was exactly my experience with someone who helped me out big time as a
>newbie, and I had a great time fighting a giant spider and getting healed -
Lady
>Elsa, I will never forget you.
As was mine. When my current Master Smith was a newbie miner/smith (only 2
hour old), he was helped out by the sweetest Japanese couple that were
married
in UO, and IRL. If you ask me, a greater percentage of the Non-US players
are
kind/helpful/role-players than the American players are.
Ingot Head
Master Smith
Atlantic
Ingot Head
foamy wrote in message <897374399.814294@michelob>...
>I disagree. I would think that the USA has the highest number of pk's per
>capita in the game. I believe there is a cultural component to pk's, and
their
>behavior most closely reflects a segment of American youth. You don't have
to
>see the language they speak, one indication of their country of origin is
>inherent in their names.
>
>Jim Clarke
>foamy / napa valley
I would tend to agree. I think a little of this is cultural, but I think
the LARGEST
reason for this is the larger percentage of 15 year olds that have access to
computers in the U.S.
Ingot Head
Atlantic
Yakuza Style
yeah... didnt we invent the screw em before they screw me attitude before
noodles and gunpowder? :-)
Gordon Gano wrote in message <357D02...@NOSPAM.iname.com>...
>The Master wrote:
>
> > A pity we U.S. Citizens can't seem to take a lesson or two from the
>Asian
> > peoples of the world. Here in America we have the "Screw 'em before
>they have
> > a chance to screw me" attitude... in short, we're most often a quite
> > unamicable and unpleasant bunch of savages. ;-)
>
>HEY! i happen to be asian, and also have the 'screw 'em before they
>screw me' attitude! =P
>
Yakuza Style
for some reason, "Corp Por" seems to be internationally understood.. :-)
jx...@po.cwru.edu wrote in message <357C8EDA...@po.cwru.edu>...
>I would have to say I have no idea what language many of those that
>attack me speak, as so few have so much as said a word to me.
>
Yakuza Style
i wonder what the french would be saying if UO was a french hosted/created
game.. "stupid non-french speaking americans ruin the game!" :)
Xendar wrote in message <357cb1e0...@enews.newsguy.com>...
I am, therefore I be
On Mon, 08 Jun 1998 21:50:53 GMT, we...@bconnex.net wrotf:
>On Mon, 08 Jun 1998 18:07:08 GMT, gun...@net-link.net (I am,
>therefore I be) wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:59:14 -0400, "Yakuza Style"
>><Yakuz...@email.msn.com> wrotf:
>>
>>>dont get me wrong.. the assholes are probably %99 percent english
>>>speaking... but i can think of many-a-time when i was in trouble, and they
>>
>>WRONG
>>
>>I was looted by a bunch of French speakers who said who knows what as
>>they looted me.
>>
>>Some Yakuza style speakers also eved me in Deceit.
>>
>>So change that 99 to atleast 80
>
>That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You have been attacked by
>two non-english speaking playes, how many english have you been
>attacked by? I personally have been attacked only by english speaking
>players, and I have met many French people in the woods, even been
>cured a couple times. Don't ruin the game by making it a race or
>language issue.
>
>weld
I didnt Weld. Yazuka did. ALso those were only two examples. My
past experience is not anywhere close to 99. Also you say "attacked
by" I wasnt counting people who attacked me. I was discussing
ASSHOLES, not Pks and yes there is a differecne.
French speakers who would loot troll corpses in Wrong, A german dude
who fire fielded my mule when i walked thor a gate, etc.
Not anywhere close to 99 of assholes are americans.
Magnus
Yakuza Style wrote:
>
> i wonder what the french would be saying if UO was a french hosted/created
> game.. "stupid non-french speaking americans ruin the game!" :)
>
Probably. Stupid non-French speaking Americans are ruining the game
now. It blows me away how totally insensitive people can be towards
people who don't speak the same language as themselves. Unless you get
started really young, second languages are not easy to learn. I taken
three years of Spanish classes and I still can not communicate very well
with it except in written form.
One day, I was in Ocllo and some Spanish players happened to walk
through a gate just as it was closing. They had no idea what had
happened and I was able to pick up from their conversation that they
didn't know any magic. I asked them, in Spanish, if they needed to get
back to another city. They responded that they would like to go back to
Vesper. They were also totally surprised to find someone who was willing
and able to talk with them. They insisted that I must be of Spanish or
Hispanic origin. I assured them that I was American and had taken a few
classes in Spanish. They were very thankful and tried to offer me 1000
gold for gate back home. I, of course, refused, but the entire
experience made all the classes worthwhile.
It's not easy being in a world where you don't understand what
people are saying. (even a game world) I certainly wouldn't have the
guts to attempt it. I say give people some credit and don't be so quick
to say, "My way or the hiway." You might just meet a friend.
-Magnus (Ocllo,Catskills)
Semi-roleplayin' Master Tank Mage whose Spanish skill is atrophying fast
Xendar
On Tue, 09 Jun 1998 01:22:34 -0700, The Master <NOSPAM_...@uswest.net>
expressed the following:
>Xendar wrote:
>
>> A pity we U.S. Citizens can't seem to take a lesson or two from the Asian
>> peoples of the world. Here in America we have the "Screw 'em before they have
>> a chance to screw me" attitude... in short, we're most often a quite
>> unamicable and unpleasant bunch of savages. ;-)
>
>The term you are looking for when speaking of yourself is not "we."
No, I used the word I intended to use. Thanks though...
Yakuza Style
Whoa dipshit.. dont put words into my mouth.. i didnt make this a race
issue, who is sitting here saying "yakuza's EVed me in Deciet" "French
speakers who would loot troll corpses in Wrong" etc etc.. you ignorant
bastard.. and im glad your mule got fire fielded.. shouldnt have one in the
first place..
<sarcasm>
damn lazy americans always need others to do their work
</sarcasm>
Xendar
On Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:13:43 -0400, "Yakuza Style" <Yakuz...@email.msn.com>
expressed the following:
>i wonder what the french would be saying if UO was a french hosted/created
>game.. "stupid non-french speaking americans ruin the game!" :)
I don't doubt that for one second. The french are notoriously snotty when it
comes to their culture and language. :-)
foamy
<snipped>
>I would tend to agree. I think a little of this is cultural, but I think
>the LARGEST
>reason for this is the larger percentage of 15 year olds that have access to
>computers in the U.S.
>Ingot Head
>Atlantic
Good point Ingot Head, I hadn't considered that as an additional factor.
foamy / napa valley
Milhouse
bizbee wrote in message <35807666...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
>>AND a Joke.
>>
>>Q. What do you call someone who speaks 3 languages?
>>A. Tri-lingual
>>Q. What do you call someone who speaks 2 languages?
>>A. Bi-lingual
>>Q. What do you call someone who speaks 1 language?
>>A. American
Make that "...someone who speaks 1 language poorly?"
--but seriously guys and gals... I'm interested in knowing how many
different languages you have encountered in the world of UO?
So far, I have only had the chance to use one language other than English.
I conversed with a Spanish-speaking fellow, but have seen a number of
Japanese players as well (plenty of :^^ and that sort of stuff). Please
reply with your experiences...
ti...@enteract.bottblock.com
Xendar <mdb...@newsguy.com> said...
> On Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:13:43 -0400, "Yakuza Style" <Yakuz...@email.msn.com>
> expressed the following:
> >i wonder what the french would be saying if UO was a french hosted/created
> >game.. "stupid non-french speaking americans ruin the game!" :)
> I don't doubt that for one second. The french are notoriously snotty when it
> comes to their culture and language. :-)
So there's at least something they have in common with Americans, huh? ;)
The Master
Xendar wrote:
> >> A pity we U.S. Citizens can't seem to take a lesson or two from the Asian
> >> peoples of the world. Here in America we have the "Screw 'em before they have
> >> a chance to screw me" attitude... in short, we're most often a quite
> >> unamicable and unpleasant bunch of savages. ;-)
> >
> >The term you are looking for when speaking of yourself is not "we."
>
> No, I used the word I intended to use. Thanks though...
Then you are a liar.
The Master
Terry Wilcox wrote:
> Your assumption that modern democracy == republic is just wrong.
As usual, you try to deflect, instead of address. Your assumption that I made
that assumption is wrong.
The Master
Yakuza Style wrote:
> i wonder what the french would be saying if UO was a french hosted/created
> game.. "stupid non-french speaking americans ruin the game!" :)
I suspect they say that already.
Terry Wilcox
The Master <NOSPAM_...@uswest.net> wrote in article
<357C0580...@uswest.net>...
> I'm afraid we will just have to leave the invention of something like
modern
> democracy with the Americans. Then all of Europe slowly began to topple
in the
> same direction, but they just had to have that weird throwback, the
Parliament.
That'll surprise the English. Their Bill of Rights, from 1689, certainly
makes England look like a democracy. Parliament, an elected body, passes
the laws, to which the royal family are bound. That's a few years before
1776.
Your assumption that modern democracy == republic is just wrong.
Unless you define modern democracy as a two party system that allows the
two parties to maintain a stranglehold on power by passing laws that make
it nearly impossible for anybody else to win. Then the U.S. certainly
invented modern democracy.
Terry Wilcox
reds...@nospamtexas.net
On Sun, 07 Jun 1998 19:38:58 -0500, lab...@fas.harvard.edu (Labuser)
wrote:
>Considering your post Sting, I can assure you with great certainty that
>these 'foreigners' who speak crappy English are smarter than you. After
>all, they speak their native language fulently and speak a second language
>very badly. How many languages do you speak badly? Besides, how many
>intelligent people do you know with attitudes similar to yours? Haha.
>The 'foreigners' have already had their revenge against you because you
>are what you are. Too bad Sting, maybe you'll do better in the next life.
>
My god, it's the second coming of Christ..he can tell everything about
me from just one post to a newsgroup. Amazing..By the way, I speak
Spanish badly, so there.
Craig
I love the multicultural aspect of the net. In UO playing from Australia
there are often a lot of japanese playing who are largely curteous and
friendly, one thing I would like to know is what ^^ means
Lord Krumm
Sonoma
St...@Napa.Valley wrote in message <357e0b79...@news.texas.net>...
Janus
OK...I have had enough of this thread.
Do typical americans tend to be isolationist linguists? Yes. All in all,
many (tho not all) americans tend to learn only english other than that
required by high schools and college.
But this "eastern/European is better" bullshit has got to stop.
The "eastern/European philosophy is better" American (!) attitude started
primarily during the 60's when American (american...western) ivory tower
scholars decided that western civilization was in decline and only by
embracing the love of buddha and the "beauty of Asia" could Americans hope
to gain salvation. Peace, love, buddha etc. et al ad nauseaum.
Homogeneity bias. Look it up.
Now, I will be the first to admit that American attitudes are less than
admirable...even shitty. But before we get off on this bullshit idea that
America is the shitpot of the universe, we need to stop romanticizing the
East and stop romanticizing Europe and start looking at some cold hard
facts.
1. China. China is a large part of the "eastern anti-western superiority"
East (it is a majority of the "Buddha love country"...research an atlas,
some history, and some population charts) and its ideas are far from
admirable. Political executions, human rights abuses and the complete and
overt political and social oppression of women and minorities barely touches
the tip of the iceberg of their "eastern" ideals. And it aint just the
Maoists, baby. It is centuries of Chinese tradition.
2. India. Ahh...the bastion of peace. They set off nukes (because they fear
Pakistan and...um...the peaceful "eastern philosophy" China) and more than
80% of the populous supported the decision. Other than that, India is
extremely caste oriented. Their caste system makes the southern USA
confederate states look like bastions of tolerance. I know. I have been
there.
3. Japan. One of the most caste oriented, racist oriented societies in the
world today. Their anthropologists simply refuse to believe that the
Japanese are genetically derived from ancient Korean and indigenous island
stock....against all evidence to the contrary. Japan's racism and caste
system is frightening. I have been there too. Imperialism didn't start in
the West, babe.
4. Dont even get me started on Malaysia, Vietnam, Korea and Cambodia.
5. Europe. Yeah, ok...Europeans know more languages than we do (and so do
the Eastern love societies.. um, at least those love-in members who can
afford a computer). But are Europeans better than Americans? Does knowing
French, English and/or German languages automatically lead to supreme
intelligence? "Gosh, they can speak two languages, so they must have a
monopoly on intelligence and civility." I dont think so. Again, look to the
Irish problem, ethnical problems in Spain, any number of ethnic conflicts in
the Balkans and Germany's barely controlled greed as they try to dominate
the new eastern European bloc. And dont forget the Swiss and their "neutral"
complicity in the Nazi war machine.
Multilinguism = superiority? I dont think so. . As any developmental
psychologist well tell you, learning languages as a child is easy, and these
"superior" people simply emphasize multilinguism early on. Americans don't.
Does this make Americans stupid? No. We just dont nationally support
multilingiusm.
Does America have some complicity in the spread of capitalism (and yeah,
greed) in the world? Yeah...and the problems grow wherever the complicity
grows. But for these countries and others, they did have the choice whether
or not to take part in the global economy and they chose to take part in the
greed. "No..no..dont give us money...it is against our philosopy..." Yeah,
right.
Of course, these "Americans talked us into it..we are not really greedy"
people can always say what the German people said for the 40 years following
Hitler ("oh, we didnt know anything about Auschwitz...that was the Nazi
party, not us! We are simply humble farmers. I thought those camps were ...
um... you know.. umm....") We all know it is bullshit. Greed and "I am
great, you are shit" is universal, babe.
So yeah...America has some serious serious problems re acknowledgement of
the outside world. And hell yeah, many Americans are greedy consumer
oriented money mongers. Understand, I am far from being a patriot or even an
apologist America's bullshit (dont even get me started on the native
americans or Vietnam).
But I will not for a minute fall for this other bullshit. As a PhD student
scientist in cognitive psychology, several of the stats oriented classes I
attend focus on the generalizability of American studies on other cultures.
What many of the statistical and methodological scientists have found is
that Americans ARE different from other cultures in some regards and exactly
the same in others. But the most conclusive proof from these essays points
out that almost ZERO of this difference comes from greed vs. peace,
democracy vs. love and Buddha harmony. Quite the contrary, actually. Most of
differences between cultures occurs due to relative levels of oppression
and/or societal constraint.
If you are not convinced, consider this....99% (an actual figure, I am not
making this up) of Chinese women are right handed. Right handed. 99%. Not
quite normal. I hope I dont need to explain to people how seriously this
deviates from the norm (sampled from several cultures, not just America).
To conclude...Many americans are assholes. But many nonAmericans are
assholes too. But of the people playing UO, most ARE americans therefore
increasing the probability that more than likely you will meet more American
assholes that nonAmerican assholes. But guess what...those multilingual
nonAmericans can be assholes too.
Dont give me this "Americans are assholes, everyone else is more
intelligent" bullshit. It is just that, bullshit.
But for you American assholes that feel like everyone should speak English
in your little UO game....you are also assholes. If the nonAmericans pay the
money, they should be able to speak whatever fucking language they want to
speak. And if you don't like it, you can go fuck yourself.
ARG! I know this fucking post isnt grammatically correct. It is just an
enraged rant.
This stuff just pisses me off. Sigh.
Jan "I actually love flames" us
--
"Charley was right in what he said about me; namely, that I was a crap
artist. All the facts I had learned were just so much crap." Philip K.
Dick, Confessions of a Crap Artist
The Master wrote in message <357E20D7...@uswest.net>...
Terry Wilcox
The Master <NOSPAM_...@uswest.net> wrote in article
> Terry Wilcox wrote:
> > Your assumption that modern democracy == republic is just wrong.
> As usual, you try to deflect, instead of address. Your assumption that I
made
> that assumption is wrong.
You claimed that the U.S. invented modern democracy. The U.S. is a
republic.
Would you care to elaborate? I'm curious why the parliamentary system isn't
considered a modern democracy by you.
You did realize that that elected governments aren't an American invention,
didn't you? And that constitutions aren't either?
Terry Wilcox
Radnor
In article <357e6...@duster.adelaide.on.net>, cra...@adelaide.on.net
says...
> I love the multicultural aspect of the net. In UO playing from Australia
> there are often a lot of japanese playing who are largely curteous and
> friendly, one thing I would like to know is what ^^ means
They're smiling. It's like a :). Imagine two eyes-- kinda like ^_^
--
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(___| Kevin Lo |___AKA Radnor, Catskills_______Callsign: KF4JXF___)
"You are in a twisty little maze of URL's, all different."
Xendar
On Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:07:15 -0400, "Milhouse" <formet...@obrien.com>
expressed the following:
>--but seriously guys and gals... I'm interested in knowing how many
>different languages you have encountered in the world of UO?
>So far, I have only had the chance to use one language other than English.
>I conversed with a Spanish-speaking fellow, but have seen a number of
>Japanese players as well (plenty of :^^ and that sort of stuff). Please
>reply with your experiences...
1) I've been PKed by two French-Canadians.
2) I've conversed with a wonderful chap from the Czech Republic.
3) I've seen a French speaking hoard gathered near the bank in Vesper.
That pretty much sums up my encounters with non-English speaking players.
Xendar
On Tue, 09 Jun 1998 22:59:51 -0700, The Master <NOSPAM_...@uswest.net>
expressed the following:
>Xendar wrote:
>
>> >> A pity we U.S. Citizens can't seem to take a lesson or two from the Asian
>> >> peoples of the world. Here in America we have the "Screw 'em before they have
>> >> a chance to screw me" attitude... in short, we're most often a quite
>> >> unamicable and unpleasant bunch of savages. ;-)
>> >
>> >The term you are looking for when speaking of yourself is not "we."
>>
>> No, I used the word I intended to use. Thanks though...
>
>Then you are a liar.
Congratulations, troll! Most of the regulars here can attest to the fact that
it isn't easy to get under ol' Xendar's skin, but I assure you that calling
him a liar is one sure-fire way to succeed!
I am many things, troll, but I am <not> a liar. I strive both in UO and in
real life to be a man of honor, integrity, and truth. I merely stated my
general opinion of the American social condition, and I can assure you that
your disagreement with my opinion or my word usage does not make me a liar.
In fact, troll, if you'll note the emoticon at the end of my original post
you'll likely understand that my statement was somewhat tongue-in-cheek to
begin with.
I will accept your apology for insulting my integrity, though common sense
tells me that I shouldn't hold my breath...
Xendar
On 9 Jun 1998 22:06:42 GMT, ti...@enteract.bottblock.com expressed the
following:
>> I don't doubt that for one second. The french are notoriously snotty when it
>> comes to their culture and language. :-)
>
>So there's at least something they have in common with Americans, huh? ;)
Mmmm, maybe... but there are those who contend that Americans have no culture,
and if true, wouldn't that preclude their ability to be notoriously snotty
about it? ;-)
Xendar
On Wed, 10 Jun 1998 05:15:43 -0300, "Janus" <Janpott...@rlc.net>
expressed the following:
<snipped rant>
>ARG! I know this fucking post isnt grammatically correct. It is just an
>enraged rant.
So I gathered after reading the first two paragraphs. :-)
>This stuff just pisses me off. Sigh.
Jeez, it's not like I asked you to embrace a diet of sticky rice and tofu...
;-)
I was only pointing out that there are certain elements of the Asian cultures
from which we Americans might benefit. It certainly was not my intent to
imply that we should embrace their social structure in it's entirety... in
fact, I would maintain that there are many less-than-desireable elements
within the Asian cultures that we might want to avoid.
Oranguboy
>And Americans invented the internet?
>
>Hohohohoho, hehehehehehe, hahahahahaha . . .
>
>I guess they must have invented democracy to . . .
>
>Thank goodness for Uncle Spam!!!
Relax, Relax. *Invented* is the wrong word here, as the Internet
as we know it did not just pop into existence. It was developed
from and built around the structure of the US Department of
Defense's ARPAnet. The ARPAnet was created in the early
70's, and it remained the domain of VAX, UNIX, and AS/400
type machines for a long time.
Today all of the main backbones,
root DNS servers, etc. reside in the US, and are US sponsored
and controlled. Not to say that certain third world countries
like the UK don't have decent backbones of their own, but they
came much later and only after the Internet as we know it came
into being like 7 or 8 years ago or so.
When it comes right down to it, the US has poured tons of money
into developing the Internet into what it is now. Much much more
money and expertise has come from the US than all other
contributors combined. Thats why it pisses me off when I hear
some dope-smoking Amsterdam dwelling fuckwod spouts off
about how Europe played just as big of a part. It simply isn't true.
On the other hand, I think its great that the Internet gives me a chance
to talk to people from cultures I'll probably never get the chance to see
for myself. I'm not some big Xenophobic anti foreigner, and I think its
in the US's best interest to not be isolationist.
My final question, is if the US is just SOOOOOOOOOOOO shitty,
Americans are just SOOOOOOOOOO obviously useless, why
is it such a HUGE issue on the 'net? If the US just *obviously*
sucked, then there'd be no argument. I probably would not
get a single flame if I posted a message like RWANDA IS THE
SHITTIEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. Their country is fucked
and they know it.
bye
Spawn
Okay the bottom line people is: There are good people and assholes all over
the world, and in every culture. It's not singled down to only one culture.
I've read every post in this argument and some of you make some very good
points on both sides of the discussion. Should America get more respect and
then it does? Absolutely. UO, although intended to be a multi-national
game, was created here in Austin, Texas, which last I looked was in the U.S.
Also, as long as the U.S. is seen as the world's "babysitter" it should get
more respect from other countries. Anytime something goes wrong in a
country, their leaders come crying to the president and the U.S. goverment
for help. And the U.S., more often than not, does help. Once however the
U.S. has helped that country, their leaders tell the U.S. to get it's butt
out of there without so much as a "thank you." Tell me that is the amount
of respect and gratitude the U.S. deserves.
On the flip side however, we American citizens should also respect other
cultures as they not only add something to the game of UO, but without some
of their influences, America would be a much different place than it is
today. This doesn't mean that they shouldn't speak English in UO--because
they should since it's a primarily English-speaking game--because it would
help them greatly in regards to player interaction. We shouldn't condemn
them though for their lack of multilinguial abilities though as most
Americans can't speak other languages anyway.
The vast amount of players in the game are in fact Americans, and just like
if you were going to another country, it is your responsibility to be able
to speak the language at least somewhat intelligently. If I went to live in
France I'd be expected to speak, understand, and write French--I wouldn't
demand that speak English just because I do. The same should be true for
foreign people coming to the U.S., and in a sense UO because it is a
primarily English speaking game full of Americans.
Oh and just so you know, I can speak, write and understand French, German,
and some Hebrew, although I forgot most of that after my Bar Mitzvah years
ago. :P
-- Spawn
Dundee
On Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:38:47 -0500, "Spawn" <AlSi...@HellSpawn.com>
wrote:
>game, was created here in Austin, Texas, which last I looked was in the U.S.
In Texas, that's a point you could argue over. And some people here
actually *do* debate it.
--
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http://dundee.uong.com
Oranguboy
>It愀 a pleasure reading your post. You have knowledge and style in
>dealing with stupid "we invented everything" messages.
Actually only *ignorant* Americans would say something along those
lines. Most of the other Americans I associate with don't think like that.
>14 years ago when I was in the US the first time, people asked me if we
>have real roads and VCRs and TV back in europe. Thats ignorant.
Did *everyone* you met in America ask you this, or just a couple of
idiots who had probably never even left their hometown?
You have to understand that because the US is so large, American
kids are really not going to encounter many people from other cultures,
like they do in Europe.
14 years ago was during the Cold War, and I
can tell you from experience, that the right wingers in this country
loved nothing more than to teach little kids how backwards and
evil socialist-oriented countries like those in western europe are.
Eastern europe was considered a hundred times worse, so
its not surprising that a few ignorant people just lumped you in
with Yugoslavian goat herders.
>Hehehehe they also asked me if I惴 from west or east germany.
Thats a perfectly legitimate question, especially when the US Cold
War propaganda machine was in full effect. Americans just ate
that shit up about people defecting from Communist Bloc countries,
and typically thought that people escaped from East Berlin more
often than it really happened.
>I asked them if they ever met someone from east germany in their live.
*see above
>hehehe. So I think someone who is not able to speak english is not as
>dangerous as people who have no basic knowledge except sportnews and
>local news.
I agree with you there. But none of the Europeans I have met have led me
to beleive that they are inherently more informed or smarter.
To qualify myself, I'm going to mention all of the countries I have ever
been
to during various deployments during my tour in the USMC:
Sweden, England, Israel, Jordan, Bahrian, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia,
Djibouti, Kenya, Somalia, Thailand, Korea, Phillipines, Malaysia, Singapore,
and
Okinawa.
You know what I found in every single country I've been to, to one extent or
another? A ubiquitous emulation of modern American culture and norms.
Every country I've been to, at a popular level, wants to be just like the
US.
We must be doing something right.
Rob Beckett
On Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:38:47 -0500, "Spawn" <AlSi...@HellSpawn.com>
wrote:
>
>game, was created here in Austin, Texas, which last I looked was in the U.S.
>
Don't you guy's have a king or something. :-)
Rob a.k.a ASlon (Sonoma)
Remove(remove.this) to reply by e-mail.
"It's no measure of health to be well adjusted
to a profoundly sick society."
Krishnamarti, (1895-1986)
Dundee
On Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:53:30 GMT, ro...@kmulaw.com (Rob Beckett) wrote:
>On Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:38:47 -0500, "Spawn" <AlSi...@HellSpawn.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>game, was created here in Austin, Texas, which last I looked was in the U.S.
>>
>I'm not really sure Texas is part of the US or Earth for that matter.
>Don't you guy's have a king or something. :-)
Ross Perot
Clinton
Capitalism is the only moral social system.
Discuss. :-)
BTW, good rant!
Janus wrote in message <357e4...@news.rlc.net>...
<snip>
>
>Does America have some complicity in the spread of capitalism (and yeah,
>greed) in the world? Yeah...and the problems grow wherever the complicity
>grows. But for these countries and others, they did have the choice whether
>or not to take part in the global economy and they chose to take part in
the
>greed. "No..no..dont give us money...it is against our philosopy..." Yeah,
>right.
>
>Of course, these "Americans talked us into it..we are not really greedy"
>people can always say what the German people said for the 40 years
following
>Hitler ("oh, we didnt know anything about Auschwitz...that was the Nazi
>party, not us! We are simply humble farmers. I thought those camps were ...
>um... you know.. umm....") We all know it is bullshit. Greed and "I am
>great, you are shit" is universal, babe.
>
>So yeah...America has some serious serious problems re acknowledgement of
>the outside world. And hell yeah, many Americans are greedy consumer
>oriented money mongers. Understand, I am far from being a patriot or even
an
>apologist America's bullshit (dont even get me started on the native
>americans or Vietnam).
<snip>
Janus
Xendar...
All I can say is thanks for not biting my head off. While I still hold to
the core issues raised in my post, I dont think I could have been more
juvenile in my choice of writing style and superfluous use of profanity.
When I woke up this morning I thought, "What the hell was I thinking?" and
dreaded reading responses to my juvenile rant. But the pressure has just
been building up for a while. I spent four years in college studying English
lit and I was constantly bombarded with this idea that western civilization
is the great Satan. And now that I am on the psychology PhD track, I find
its insiduous tendrils there as well. I just had to blow off some steam. And
I did so. Er...somewhat off topic too. Gad, I am going to be kicked from
this newsgroup.
But your point is well made and I thank you for replying in a mature manner.
I only wish I could say so much for myself. :P
J
--
"Charley was right in what he said about me; namely, that I was a crap
artist. All the facts I had learned were just so much crap." Philip K.
Dick, Confessions of a Crap Artist
Xendar wrote in message <35848f07...@enews.newsguy.com>...
>On Wed, 10 Jun 1998 05:15:43 -0300, "Janus" <Janpott...@rlc.net>
>expressed the following:
>
><snipped rant>
>
>>ARG! I know this fucking post isnt grammatically correct. It is just an
>>enraged rant.
>
>So I gathered after reading the first two paragraphs. :-)
>
>>This stuff just pisses me off. Sigh.
>
Spawn
Excuse me but I happen to live in Houston, Texas. Texas is one of the
wealthiest and most powerful states in the entire U.S. And no, Ross Perot
is not our "king," that's a ridiculous and offensive statement. I don't go
around making fun of other people's states and homes so don't make fun of
mine. And just so you know, most people in Texas do not wear cowboy hats
and boots all the time; we wear normal clothes you'd find anywhere such as
L.A. or New York.
Texas is also host to two of the most powerful game companies in the U.S.,
namely Origin and Id software. Please don't make fun of other people and
their homes, it only serves to make you look ignorant.
-- Spawn
Janus
>Ross Perot
AHHHHHHHHH!!! (breath) AAAHHHHHHH!!!!
"Ok ok...here we go...ok...it's simple...we can solve the world's problems
simply...ok..the world is a big armadillo crossing a road and what
you...ok...and so the armadillo is like this big world and here is an
interesting anecdote about my grandchild and how he is like the World
Monetary Fund...ok...and over here..."
AHHHHHHHHH!!!! (breath) AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!
J
El Lèmur
Spawn wrote:
>
> Excuse me but I happen to live in Houston, Texas. Texas is one of the
> wealthiest and most powerful states in the entire U.S. And no, Ross Perot
> is not our "king," that's a ridiculous and offensive statement. I don't go
> around making fun of other people's states and homes so don't make fun of
> mine. And just so you know, most people in Texas do not wear cowboy hats
> and boots all the time; we wear normal clothes you'd find anywhere such as
> L.A. or New York.
So, what you're saying is that cowboy hats and boots are not
'normal' clothes?
It seems to me that your judging people as 'abnormal' and
out of society simply because they wear clothes that are
different from whatever freakish things you wear in
your state is extremely short-sighted and bigoted.
> Texas is also host to two of the most powerful game companies in the U.S.,
> namely Origin and Id software. Please don't make fun of other people and
> their homes, it only serves to make you look ignorant.
...but it's ok to make fun of us 'hicks' up north, is that it?
Just because some of us wear cowboy hats and boots. Why
don't you form a branch of the Klan up here so you can
persecute us 'abnormals' and to promote your Southern
'master race'. God. I'd hate to see what would happen
if you went to Africa, where some people wear things that would
be considered even more unacceptable by your myopic standards.
Why don't you try being just a LITTLE more tolerant of people
who have not assimilated every tiny bit of your culture?
--
. . Lemur Dragon
* oo www.udic.org
* / \./\ Let's Play 'Save Those Lemurs!'
*/_()_()\ - ("Frink! Woo! P'tang!")
Dundee
On Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:44:36 -0500, "Spawn" <AlSi...@HellSpawn.com>
wrote:
>Excuse me but I happen to live in Houston, Texas. Texas is one of the
>wealthiest and most powerful states in the entire U.S.
Yes! We are MIGHTY!!
>And no, Ross Perot is not our "king," that's a ridiculous and offensive statement.
I happen to be a ridiculous person. I do try not to be offensive
though. Naturally, it's impossible when addressing a large group.
There's always someone that's just BOUND to take offense.
> I don't go around making fun of other people's states and homes so don't make fun of
>mine.
I live in Dallas. Howdy.
>And just so you know, most people in Texas do not wear cowboy hats
>and boots all the time;
LOL! ("all the time"?!)
I don't *ever* wear cowboy hats or boots. And I don't drive a
pick-em-up truck, neither.
>Texas is also host to two of the most powerful game companies in the U.S.,
>namely Origin and Id software.
Yes! They are MIGHTY, too!!
>Please don't make fun of other people and their homes,
That would be "me" and "my home".
>it only serves to make you look ignorant.
Lighten up. I love Texas.
Terry Wilcox
Oranguboy <Apec...@isp.net> wrote in article
<AF79463ED68442F1.B3403732...@library-proxy.airnews.ne
t>...
> You have to understand that because the US is so large, American
> kids are really not going to encounter many people from other cultures,
> like they do in Europe.
Are we talking large in population or large in physical size. I live in
Canada, second largest (in physical size) nation in the world, and
everybody I knew as a kid was pretty aware that Europe is civilized. For
population, on my trips to China everybody was well aware of the fact that
Europe is civilized.
In fact, America is the only place I've ever met people who actually
thought Canadians live in igloos. Honestly.
> You know what I found in every single country I've been to, to one extent
or
> another? A ubiquitous emulation of modern American culture and norms.
> Every country I've been to, at a popular level, wants to be just like the
> US.
What do you consider American culture and norms? The Canadian Football
League is much older then the NFL, yet most Americans would consider our
league to be emulating theirs. If you look at television, how many popular
American shows are remakes of popular British shows? Remember the British
invasion, when Beatles-like groups sprung up all over the U.S.?
So are other countries emulating the U.S. or is the U.S. emulating them?
Both.
Of course, how many other countries want carjackings, school massacres, and
neo-Nazis?
Terry Wilcox
Kirsten
foamy wrote:
> In article <357C8235...@mandic.com.br>, gda...@mandic.com.br wrote:
> > Well, I am 14 and live in Brazil. I do speak english. Not that well,
> >but well enough so that most people will think I am american. No, I am
> >not a Pk and yes, I do roleplay most of the time. I play alone usually,
> >so I don't speak portuguese a lot while playing. But when my friends are
> >online, of course I am going to speak with them in portuguese. I just
> >don't see why people are annoyed just because someone can't speak your
> >language. Well, they try, don't they? So, give them a chance!
> >Aurax Halfmoon, Sonoma
>
> Aurax: If you speak English half as well as you write it, you are doing fine.
>
> Congratulations. :-)
>
> Jim Clarke
> foamy / napa valley
I have to say he's doing better than a lot of the native English speakers in this
NG.
:) Kirsten
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Oranguboy
Xendar lied in message <357f83bf...@enews.newsguy.com>...
>I am many things, troll, but I am <not> a liar. I strive both in UO and in
>real life to be a man of honor, integrity, and truth. I merely stated my
>general opinion of the American social condition, and I can assure
Dammit, Xendar! You're lying AGAIN. Liar Liar pants on fire.
Bye Bye Liar-Boy
Oranguboy
Grandmaster Troll