Hanky vs. Nutty
Steve McKinney
I heard that John Kricfalusi, the creator of Ren and Stimpy, is suing
the creators of South Park over their animated fecal character.
Kricfalusi claims that the idea for Mr. Hanky the Christmas Poo was
stolen from his character, Nutty the Friendly Dump. This is a trial
that I would love to be present for.
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"...but your honor, Mr. Hanky is a smooth, black turd as apposed to the
jagged edges of Nutty. Besides Mr. Hanky only comes out at Christmas,
Nutty can show up as much as everyday, sometimes two or three times..."
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Michael Carmack
Steve McKinney (sj...@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: I heard that John Kricfalusi, the creator of Ren and Stimpy, is suing
: the creators of South Park over their animated fecal character.
: Kricfalusi claims that the idea for Mr. Hanky the Christmas Poo was
: stolen from his character, Nutty the Friendly Dump. This is a trial
: that I would love to be present for.
They're actually going to bring litigation over animated talking poo?
They're probably just being spiteful since Ren & Stimpy kind of sucks and
South Park is Comedy Central's #1 rated show.
"How about we sing Mr. Kricfalusi is a stupid bitch in D minor?"
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Posted and e-mailed
On 29 Jan 1998 13:15:11 -0500, mcar...@freenet.columbus.oh.us
(Michael Carmack) wrote:
>They're actually going to bring litigation over animated talking poo?
>They're probably just being spiteful since Ren & Stimpy kind of sucks and
>South Park is Comedy Central's #1 rated show.
>
>"How about we sing Mr. Kricfalusi is a stupid bitch in D minor?"
That was my basic reaction as well when I first heard the news of the
lawsuit.
When I stopped by the Spumco webpage a couple weeks back, the letter
from John K. really made me think that it really wasn't anything more
than just a case of really, really sour grapes. Since he dropped the
ball with Ren and Stimpy it seems like he's gotten a chip on his
shoulder, or at least something to prove.
What it boils down to (for me, at least) is which is funnier: Nutty
or Mr. Hanky? For my money, Mr. Hanky is one of the funniest bits
that I've ever seen. I thought I was going to have a stroke the first
time the commercial came on -- "Gee, I wish dad was still alive."
Nutty, on the other hand (as well as most everything that comes from
Spumco nowadays), seems to me to be nothing more than a retreaded Ren
and Stimpy.
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Steve McKinney
And this, from Sith Dragon:
>Posted and e-mailed
>
>On 29 Jan 1998 13:15:11 -0500, mcar...@freenet.columbus.oh.us
>(Michael Carmack) wrote:
>
>>They're actually going to bring litigation over animated talking poo?
>>They're probably just being spiteful since Ren & Stimpy kind of sucks and
>>South Park is Comedy Central's #1 rated show.
>
>What it boils down to (for me, at least) is which is funnier: Nutty
>or Mr. Hanky? For my money, Mr. Hanky is one of the funniest bits
>that I've ever seen. I thought I was going to have a stroke the first
>time the commercial came on -- "Gee, I wish dad was still alive."
>Nutty, on the other hand (as well as most everything that comes from
>Spumco nowadays), seems to me to be nothing more than a retreaded Ren
>and Stimpy.
I certainly think South Park is funnier that Ren & Stimpy ever was,
and I used to love Ren & Stimpy. However, copyright law makes no
allowance for humor. I don't know anything about Nutty, but *if*
Hanky is derivative, then John K. should certainly be compensated,
though he be the creator of the most unfunny stuff ever to grace a
comic book.
Michael Carmack
Steve McKinney (sj...@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: I certainly think South Park is funnier that Ren & Stimpy ever was,
: and I used to love Ren & Stimpy. However, copyright law makes no
: allowance for humor. I don't know anything about Nutty, but *if*
: Hanky is derivative, then John K. should certainly be compensated,
: though he be the creator of the most unfunny stuff ever to grace a
: comic book.
Admittedly I have not seen this Nutty the Turn character, but Mr. Hanky
will have to be blatantly and obviously derivative in order for the
lawsuit to carry any weight. The fact that they are both talking poos is
*not* enough. If it was, then almost *all* cartoon characters are
derivative in one way or another. There have been talking cats and dogs
before; Ren and Stimpy's copyrights must have been violated! And Disney
really needs to look into suing over that Daffy Duck character...
Steve McKinney
And this, from Michael Carmack:
>Steve McKinney (sj...@bellsouth.net) wrote:
>: I certainly think South Park is funnier that Ren & Stimpy ever was,
>: and I used to love Ren & Stimpy. However, copyright law makes no
>: allowance for humor. I don't know anything about Nutty, but *if*
>: Hanky is derivative, then John K. should certainly be compensated,
>: though he be the creator of the most unfunny stuff ever to grace a
>: comic book.
>
>Admittedly I have not seen this Nutty the Turn character, but Mr. Hanky
>will have to be blatantly and obviously derivative in order for the
>lawsuit to carry any weight. The fact that they are both talking poos is
>*not* enough. If it was, then almost *all* cartoon characters are
>derivative in one way or another. There have been talking cats and dogs
>before; Ren and Stimpy's copyrights must have been violated! And Disney
>really needs to look into suing over that Daffy Duck character...
I absolutely agree with you. I said "if" because I, too, have not
seen Nutty the Friendly Dump, and simply don't know if Hanky is
blatantly and obviously derivative. I *hope* it's not, obviously, but
I can't be *certain* that it's not. That will be up to a judge to
decide, and it is certainly possible that the judge will find Hanky to
be a copyright violation. You've got to admit that there have been
far fewer talking poops than talking cats and dogs.
Allan Olley
You know I like cartoons, but, I can not stand the disgusting cartoons
which seem to me in my old foogishness to have become all to common.
I'm all for free artistic impression but, why are they so popular? Am
I uncommon in that these things make me nausious or in that I do not
enjoy nausea?
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Michael Carmack
Allan Olley (pol...@netcom.it.might.if.you.remove.this.ca) wrote:
: You know I like cartoons, but, I can not stand the disgusting cartoons
: which seem to me in my old foogishness to have become all to common.
: I'm all for free artistic impression but, why are they so popular? Am
: I uncommon in that these things make me nausious or in that I do not
: enjoy nausea?
What, you got a problem with nausea? Hey, I'm *MR.* Nausea!
Allan Olley
On 4 Feb 1998 12:49:53 -0500, mcar...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Michael
Carmack) wrote:
>What, you got a problem with nausea?
Yes, it makes me feel sick and generally unpleasant.
>Hey, I'm *MR.* Nausea!
Really, I thought you were Vulcan Dragon or Michael Carmack.
Michael Carmack
Allan Olley (pol...@netcom.it.might.if.you.remove.this.ca) wrote:
: On 4 Feb 1998 12:49:53 -0500, mcar...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Michael
: Carmack) wrote:
: >What, you got a problem with nausea?
: Yes, it makes me feel sick and generally unpleasant.
Phaw. What's more fun than clinging desperately to a not-so-clean toilet
bowl whining for mommy and praying to God to take the pain away?
: >Hey, I'm *MR.* Nausea!
: Really, I thought you were Vulcan Dragon or Michael Carmack.
I'm all three. I'm also Mr. Tissue, Mr. Hanky's formal ambassador to
Santa's workshop.
Paul Gilham
Quoth mcar...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Michael Carmack):
[munch]
>Hey, I'm *MR.* Nausea!
This, from the dragon who claims he can deal with hangovers. *sigh*
How the mighty have fallen.
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Michael Carmack
Paul Gilham (Pa...@Samurai.force9shark.net) wrote:
: Quoth mcar...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Michael Carmack):
: [munch]
: >Hey, I'm *MR.* Nausea!
: This, from the dragon who claims he can deal with hangovers. *sigh*
: How the mighty have fallen.
The two aren't mutually exclusive. Being nauseous doesn't stop me from
getting utterly wasted. <g>
DBarr
Well....I'm utterly wasted atm, and nausea doesn't even come in to the
equation. Nausea is what little boys get when they drink too many
vodka's and orange.
On 8 Feb 1998 15:18:07 -0500, mcar...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Michael
Carmack) wrote:
>Paul Gilham (Pa...@Samurai.force9shark.net) wrote:
>: Quoth mcar...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Michael Carmack):
>: [munch]
>
>: >Hey, I'm *MR.* Nausea!
>
>: This, from the dragon who claims he can deal with hangovers. *sigh*
>: How the mighty have fallen.
>
>The two aren't mutually exclusive. Being nauseous doesn't stop me from
>getting utterly wasted. <g>
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Paul Gilham
Quoth mcar...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Michael Carmack):
>Paul Gilham (Pa...@Samurai.force9shark.net) wrote:
>: Quoth mcar...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Michael Carmack):
>: >Hey, I'm *MR.* Nausea!
>: This, from the dragon who claims he can deal with hangovers.
>: *sigh* How the mighty have fallen.
>The two aren't mutually exclusive. Being nauseous doesn't
>stop me from getting utterly wasted. <g>
*chuckle* Admittedly. The truly seasoned drinker deals with his or
her nausea by throwing up, and then carrying on drinking. :)
(Don't try this at home, kids!)