What's a good ping for 28.8?
Jeremy Thom
Hi
I have an IBM Mwave 28.8 internal modem. When I play Quake on the net, my
lowest ping time on any server that I can remember was around 300ms. Is
this the same with you other 28.8 users? What are other avg. ping times?
BTW I can't really find a close server. I live in Eastern Canada, if you
know a server anywhere in Eastern Canada, please tell me about it.
Thanks:-)
sicko
around 200ms is decent for a 28.8.
Jeremy Thom <tho...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in article
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Ryan Spanton
"Jeremy Thom" <tho...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>Hi
>I have an IBM Mwave 28.8 internal modem. When I play Quake on the net, my
>lowest ping time on any server that I can remember was around 300ms. Is
>this the same with you other 28.8 users? What are other avg. ping times?
>BTW I can't really find a close server. I live in Eastern Canada, if you
>know a server anywhere in Eastern Canada, please tell me about it.
>Thanks:-)
Hello,
With my Supra 28,8 and Qspy, I can usually find at least a dozen
servers under 200.
I don't know of any in your area, but check out Quake-Spy! (I don't
have a web page for it, but you can start your search at stomped,
www.stomped.com )
ciao
Ryan
Rip City
rsp...@cie-2.uoregon.edu
Phillip Geiger
Jeffrey Hayes (jha...@ns.net) wrote:
: If you have ISDN, you can see pings in the 50ms - 100ms range pretty
: frequently.
This seems to be pretty common misconception. ISDN is good, but not that
good. Maybe if the server is *real* close....
I have ISDN and I *rarely* see pings in the 50-100ms range. Maybe if the
server is a hop away at my university I'll get a 80 or 90, but for the
most part my pings are in the 140-180 range. (I'm not complaining; as far
as I'm concerned that's superb.)
60ms pings are what we get playing *locally* on the network at my
apartment complex. 60ms pings are what I get playing on the T1 at work to
servers that are relatively close (hop-wise, that is).
The (average) 150ms pings you can get with ISDN are great, and play is
very smooth, but I see a lot of people getting ready to pluck down $500 to
get ISDN, and they expect 50ms pings. They should know exactly what
they're getting for their money.
--
Phil Geiger
pgge...@ucdavis.edu
Robert Harvey
"Jeremy Thom" <tho...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>Hi
>I have an IBM Mwave 28.8 internal modem. When I play Quake on the net, my
>lowest ping time on any server that I can remember was around 300ms. Is
>this the same with you other 28.8 users? What are other avg. ping times?
>BTW I can't really find a close server. I live in Eastern Canada, if you
>know a server anywhere in Eastern Canada, please tell me about it.
>Thanks:-)
The best I get in the UK is about 280mS (from inside quake - it's sub
200mS from QSpy) and that's from Minos, the fastest server in the UK
for me.
banDsaw
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Jeffrey Hayes
"Jeremy Thom" <tho...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>Hi
>I have an IBM Mwave 28.8 internal modem. When I play Quake on the net, my
>lowest ping time on any server that I can remember was around 300ms. Is
>this the same with you other 28.8 users? What are other avg. ping times?
>BTW I can't really find a close server. I live in Eastern Canada, if you
>know a server anywhere in Eastern Canada, please tell me about it.
>Thanks:-)
>
Ping of around 200ms is pretty good for 28.8. If you get below 200ms,
you're about as good as you can get. If you have ISDN, you can see
pings in the 50ms - 100ms range pretty frequently. Try using Qspy to
find the lowest ping times. Also, make sure you've disabled
compression and error correction/detection on your modem. That way,
your modem does less processing and just passes the data on faster.
Since the CPU in your modem is extremely slow (relative to CPU in your
computer), you want it to do as little work as possible.
Good Luck
Jeff
Ryan McGinnis
ez05...@rocky.ucdavis.edu (Phillip Geiger) wrote:
>I have ISDN and I *rarely* see pings in the 50-100ms range. Maybe if the
>server is a hop away at my university I'll get a 80 or 90, but for the
>most part my pings are in the 140-180 range. (I'm not complaining; as far
>as I'm concerned that's superb.)
He's right, too. With a T3, I only pull in 120-180 pings. I even
occasionally crack 200. But very rarely do I get it into the <100
range.
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Terry Harris
ez05...@rocky.ucdavis.edu (Phillip Geiger) wrote:
>Jeffrey Hayes (jha...@ns.net) wrote:
>: If you have ISDN, you can see pings in the 50ms - 100ms range pretty
>: frequently.
>
>This seems to be pretty common misconception. ISDN is good, but not that
>good. Maybe if the server is *real* close....
>
>I have ISDN and I *rarely* see pings in the 50-100ms range. Maybe if the
>server is a hop away at my university I'll get a 80 or 90, but for the
>most part my pings are in the 140-180 range. (I'm not complaining; as far
>as I'm concerned that's superb.)
So why don't you do a traceroute and see where the ping is coming
from?
When I traceroute in Win95 with my 33k6 USR the 1st hop ping to my ISP
is typically 150ms and I've seen as low a 125. After that it's down to
your ISP and the rest of the net ISDN doesn't make any difference
apart from the extra bandwidth.
So what is a typical 1st hop ping on ISDN?
Cheers Terry...
Terence La France
On my campus' T1, I get (usually) 50 (if I'm REAL lucky) to 160 ms ping
times, and I find all more than playable. If anyone has probelms with a
250ms ping, play quake 1player on a 486 DX4 75 or 100. Painful compared
to a pentium, but more than playaable....
-IroNovA
Penn Quaker's Consortium
Ryan McGinnis (mcg...@iastate.edu) wrote:
: ez05...@rocky.ucdavis.edu (Phillip Geiger) wrote:
: >I have ISDN and I *rarely* see pings in the 50-100ms range. Maybe if the
: >server is a hop away at my university I'll get a 80 or 90, but for the
: >most part my pings are in the 140-180 range. (I'm not complaining; as far
: >as I'm concerned that's superb.)
: He's right, too. With a T3, I only pull in 120-180 pings. I even
Mike Panico
Robert Harvey wrote:
>
> "Jeremy Thom" <tho...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>
> >Hi
> >I have an IBM Mwave 28.8 internal modem. When I play Quake on the net, my
> >lowest ping time on any server that I can remember was around 300ms. Is
> >this the same with you other 28.8 users? What are other avg. ping times?
> >BTW I can't really find a close server. I live in Eastern Canada, if you
> >know a server anywhere in Eastern Canada, please tell me about it.
> >Thanks:-)
>
> 200mS from QSpy) and that's from Minos, the fastest server in the UK
> for me.
>
> banDsaw
28.8 to my ISP (which is bga here in Austin). Either qspy is giving me
false pings, or my ISP is much better than I thought.
Steve Green
Jeremy Thom wrote:
>
> Hi
> I have an IBM Mwave 28.8 internal modem. When I play Quake on the net, my
> lowest ping time on any server that I can remember was around 300ms.
We run a dial-in Quake server from my house. We have 8 33.6 modems. Most
users have 28.8 modems.
The average ping time is between 130 and 160 ms, providing they get a
connection of at least 26400 bps.
Steve Green
TSR Bruce
<<The average ping time is between 130 and 160 ms, providing they get a
connection of at least 26400 bps.>>
Newbie talk: pardon my ignorance in the matter -- but what is a ping?
Thanks.
Bruce H.
MADwand
Tony Marshall
Robert...@dial.pipex.com (Robert Harvey) wrote:
>"Jeremy Thom" <tho...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>
>>Hi
>>I have an IBM Mwave 28.8 internal modem. When I play Quake on the net, my
>>lowest ping time on any server that I can remember was around 300ms. Is
>>this the same with you other 28.8 users? What are other avg. ping times?
>>BTW I can't really find a close server. I live in Eastern Canada, if you
>>know a server anywhere in Eastern Canada, please tell me about it.
>>Thanks:-)
>
>The best I get in the UK is about 280mS (from inside quake - it's sub
>200mS from QSpy) and that's from Minos, the fastest server in the UK
>for me.
>
From within Quake the best I've had is around 200ms - the usual in a
good 8+ player game is 250ms. Pings *always* increase as the number of
players increases..
You really need to ping around half a dozen times to get an accurate
indication of the real ping, as it appears to vary between the same
few discrete values - ping once and you'll get 197, immediately try
again it'll be 254, then 213..etc
Tony Marshall | TONYM
Carlisle, England | Clan - The Devil's Disciples
Adam Williamson
In article <555h00$1...@mark.ucdavis.edu>, Phillip Geiger
<ez05...@rocky.ucdavis.edu> writes
>60ms pings are what we get playing *locally* on the network at my
>apartment complex. 60ms pings are what I get playing on the T1 at work to
Really? With two "fallen-off-the-back-of-a-lorry" ISA NE2000 clones I
average about 30ms to a listen server, with 1.01.
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Jeremy Thom wrote:
>
> Hi
> I have an IBM Mwave 28.8 internal modem. When I play Quake on the net, my
> lowest ping time on any server that I can remember was around 300ms. Is
> this the same with you other 28.8 users? What are other avg. ping times?
> BTW I can't really find a close server. I live in Eastern Canada, if you
> know a server anywhere in Eastern Canada, please tell me about it.
> Thanks:-)
your ping time is, QSpy (for WIN95 only!) helps alot. It is not uncommon
for me to find several servers at ping times under 150ms.
Good luck!
Phoenix
Phillip Geiger
Adam Williamson (Ad...@scss.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <555h00$1...@mark.ucdavis.edu>, Phillip Geiger
: <ez05...@rocky.ucdavis.edu> writes
: >60ms pings are what we get playing *locally* on the network at my
: >apartment complex. 60ms pings are what I get playing on the T1 at work to
:
: Really? With two "fallen-off-the-back-of-a-lorry" ISA NE2000 clones I
: average about 30ms to a listen server, with 1.01.
Hmm..we use 1.06, but that shouldn't matter. They do use some weird
proprietary cables on the network here, that might have something to do
with it.
--
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pgge...@ucdavis.edu
Gavin Sheppard
I used a Mwave 28.8 in a thinkpad for a while and bought an external US
Robotics 28.8 and got better ping times (as well as sound!)
Best Ping 170 - average 225-250 in Quake console.
Eastern Canada: Quake.techno.ca is fast as well as the
quake.threewave.com and quake2.threewave.com capture the flag servers.
Jeremy Thom wrote:
>
> Hi
> I have an IBM Mwave 28.8 internal modem. When I play Quake on the net, my
> lowest ping time on any server that I can remember was around 300ms. Is
> this the same with you other 28.8 users? What are other avg. ping times?
> BTW I can't really find a close server. I live in Eastern Canada, if you
> know a server anywhere in Eastern Canada, please tell me about it.
> Thanks:-)
KodaK
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Todd Smith
Gavin Sheppard <ga...@istar.ca> wrote:
I get average 150 with my provider and get as good as 185 with some
Quake servers. Rare though. I easily settle for 200-220 for a decent
game. I have a 28.8 SupraExpress PNP under Windows 95.
Unknown
sUPRA 28.8 EXT
265 - 285
Clair Vointe
Kaufman
I see all you people listing these pings time you get. Would it be so
much trouble to state who your ISP is.
-yeKnod
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Steve Green <Steve...@its.csiro.au> wrote in article
<327823...@its.csiro.au>...
> Jeremy Thom wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> > I have an IBM Mwave 28.8 internal modem. When I play Quake on the net,
my
> > lowest ping time on any server that I can remember was around 300ms.
>
> We run a dial-in Quake server from my house. We have 8 33.6 modems. Most
> users have 28.8 modems.
>
> The average ping time is between 130 and 160 ms, providing they get a
> connection of at least 26400 bps.
>
> Steve Green
>
Uh no, the average ping time for a 28.8 is between 230-290 ... from
experience.
Alex
Russ Ringer
I run a dial-up server (PPP on Linux, 28.8 modems) and the modem
players ping time is from 125-180 mS.
-->Russ
jo jo
I also have a (shitty) Mwave modem/soundcard. I have a different dial-up
connection to my ISP with different settings that I only use when playing
Quake. After some expirementing with different suggestions I had heard I
found that turning off flow control and compression and lowering and
lowering the maximum speed a little makes play less jerky. Using QuakeSpy I
ussually can get pings of a 200-300ms.
Kirk Fort
> Uh no, the average ping time for a 28.8 is between 230-290 ... from
> experience.
>
> Alex
>
sure you aren't talking about tcp/ip play?
Wax_Gib
Ben Schaffer
Mindwave wrote:
>
> Steve Green <Steve...@its.csiro.au> wrote in article
> <327823...@its.csiro.au>...
> > Jeremy Thom wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi
> > > I have an IBM Mwave 28.8 internal modem. When I play Quake on the net,
> my
> > > lowest ping time on any server that I can remember was around 300ms.
> >
> > We run a dial-in Quake server from my house. We have 8 33.6 modems. Most
> > users have 28.8 modems.
> >
> > The average ping time is between 130 and 160 ms, providing they get a
> > connection of at least 26400 bps.
> >
> > Steve Green
> >
>
> experience.
>
> Alex
Uh no...When i play with my friend over 28.8k average ping is 160-170
Dave
Maybe for you. My average ping on my 33.6 ( my ISP only is at 28.8 so
you know) and I get pings from 130 to infinite and beyond.
Will Kim
In article <01bbce9d$d841d140$4a4e...@chowboy.cyberramp.net>, "Mindwave" <cho...@cyberramp.net> wrote:
>
>Steve Green <Steve...@its.csiro.au> wrote in article
><327823...@its.csiro.au>...
>> Jeremy Thom wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi
>> > I have an IBM Mwave 28.8 internal modem. When I play Quake on the net,
>my
>> > lowest ping time on any server that I can remember was around 300ms.
>>
>> We run a dial-in Quake server from my house. We have 8 33.6 modems. Most
>> users have 28.8 modems.
>>
>> The average ping time is between 130 and 160 ms, providing they get a
>> connection of at least 26400 bps.
>>
>> Steve Green
>>
>
>Uh no, the average ping time for a 28.8 is between 230-290 ... from
>experience.
>
>Alex
I played last night. Found 3 servers that were 180ms, and a bunch around
210-250. (I filter out anything higher than that).
When using something like QSpy, you should keep this mind: Don't do anything
else on your connection, or on your computer. The more data that's on your
link, the longer it will take you get to you.
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On 29 Oct 1996 18:04:48 GMT, ez05...@rocky.ucdavis.edu (Phillip Geiger)
did cunningly address to rec.games.computer.quake.playing..
:60ms pings are what we get playing *locally* on the network at my
:apartment complex. 60ms pings are what I get playing on the T1 at work to
Are you using 10BaseT or 100BaseT to get that? When using IPX Quake between
2 computers with 10BaseT using IPX, the best pings I've seen have been
around 100.
No doubt much better speeds (like your 60ms ping) are able to be pumped
through with a pure 100BaseT PCI card network (oh, and a faster pair of
putahs: CyrixP150+ and an i486DX2-66 ;-).. a lot of the lag is due to sheer
lack of speed of the 486's CPU).
Ack.. don't worry about me; I'm just thinking on paper ;-).
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scot
In article <569usr$5...@demeter.omen.com.au>, sy...@omen.com.au says...
parties we've had) a ping between 0(server) and 100(+/- 40ms) has been observed
with a 8 player quake match..don't worry the server _is_ very cable or handling
that load. The lowest ping might you ask?.. it was the AMD 133.....your guess
was the cpu..
e-mail for specifics
scot
Luke/Fisher/Lukefisher
Using isdn at 64K, my best pings -- the ones I play on -- are in the
60s, with a rare one in the 50s -- when I used my 28.8 (with an isp that
really gave me 28.8, unlike my first isp which gave me 26 tops and
usually 24.6...), my best were in the 80s
Terence La France
no way, I have a 10b-T ISA card in a p100 w/ 16MB RAM. it goes to my
campus T3. I have gotten online pings of 60, and local game pings (same
IPX net) of 30-60.... My usual online ping is 80-100, however...
-IroNovA
-Synic- (sy...@omen.com.au) wrote:
: On 29 Oct 1996 18:04:48 GMT, ez05...@rocky.ucdavis.edu (Phillip Geiger)
Brian Clay
wk...@medialight.com (Will Kim) wrote:
You all seem very lucky to me, I have to put up with a Ping over 400
to any Quake server and I still kill a few even though most of the
time I'm out of control because of the delay
Just wish I could find a UK Quake Server that pings well
Brian
Using P166
Hayes Optima 28.8K
and still it's bad, oh well, thats life
Brian Clay
Ben Blundell
In article <56j37i$p...@news.enterprise.net>, Brian Clay
<anci...@enterprise.net> writes
odd. My average is 400-500. Lucky gits :-<
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In article <56j37i$p...@news.enterprise.net>, Brian Clay
<anci...@enterprise.net> writes
>wk...@medialight.com (Will Kim) wrote:
>
>You all seem very lucky to me, I have to put up with a Ping over 400
>to any Quake server and I still kill a few even though most of the
>time I'm out of control because of the delay
>
>Just wish I could find a UK Quake Server that pings well
>
>Brian
>
>Using P166
>Hayes Optima 28.8K
>and still it's bad, oh well, thats life
>Brian Clay
>
My system spec is close to your own but I manage to acheive
under 300 most times (average 250 ish) I would suggest a different ISP
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Phil Speller
On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:14:14 +0000, Alan <al...@alan.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
My home account is also with Demon. I have a P133 and connect via a
28k8 modem. My ping rates are similar to yours Alan, approx 250ms,
but I usually find the games to be very 'laggy' - even with ping rates
as low as 200ms. I have played against people on U-Net and Pipex, who
have had similar ping rates to me in the game, and I couldn't touch
them. Ok, I could be a particularly poor player but when I play LAN
games (6 player DMs every lunchtime + 2-6 player DMs on my LAN at
home) I usually do well - I might not win the games but I leave
feeling I gave the other players a serious run for their money - I
don't see why my Net games should be that different. I currently feel
that Demon is a poor ISP for Quake - their network is just too loaded.
I'm very tempted to give U-Net and/or Pipex a try.
As a slight aside, one of the Pipex based players happen to connect to
a Demon Quake server. He complained of a very poor game. Yes, it was
poor for me as well, but not significantly worse than I'm used to -
this further convinced me that Demon's network is just too loaded to
get a smooth game of Quake.
Phil Speller (aka Ragnarok),
Cambridgeshire,
England.
Email : pspe...@linx.co.uk [Work]
Ph...@digriz.demon.co.uk [Home]
Alan
In article <329284a1...@snews.zippo.com>, Phil Speller
<pspe...@linx.co.uk> writes
>On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:14:14 +0000, Alan <al...@alan.demon.co.uk>
>wrote:
>>In article <56j37i$p...@news.enterprise.net>, Brian Clay
>><anci...@enterprise.net> writes
>>>wk...@medialight.com (Will Kim) wrote:
>>>
>>>You all seem very lucky to me, I have to put up with a Ping over 400
>>>to any Quake server and I still kill a few even though most of the
>>>time I'm out of control because of the delay
>>>
>>>Just wish I could find a UK Quake Server that pings well
>>>
>My home account is also with Demon. I have a P133 and connect via a
>28k8 modem. My ping rates are similar to yours Alan, approx 250ms,
>but I usually find the games to be very 'laggy' - even with ping rates
>as low as 200ms.
I've connected (i.e. 2 out of 4 days is good (or is it bad (pesimist))),
but still played reasonably smooth.
> I have played against people on U-Net and Pipex, who
>have had similar ping rates to me in the game, and I couldn't touch
>them. Ok, I could be a particularly poor player but when I play LAN
>games (6 player DMs every lunchtime + 2-6 player DMs on my LAN at
>home) I usually do well - I might not win the games but I leave
>feeling I gave the other players a serious run for their money -I
any difference's. Mind you I thought it was because I was crap at playing
the game hence the reason for getting fragged to hell :(
>don't see why my Net games should be that different. I currently feel
>that Demon is a poor ISP for Quake - their network is just too loaded.
>I'm very tempted to give U-Net and/or Pipex a try.
>
>As a slight aside, one of the Pipex based players happen to connect to
>a Demon Quake server. He complained of a very poor game. Yes, it was
>poor for me as well, but not significantly worse than I'm used to -
>this further convinced me that Demon's network is just too loaded to
>get a smooth game of Quake.
nor is it likely to be (why the hell do I put up with this service ?). Ah
well gotta go now I've an email to write, ser...@demon.co.uk here I come;)
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Geoff Phillips
About Demon: I'm currently trying out Demon and Global Internet, in
anticipation of ISDN, which is no extra cost on these providers. I'm
astonished to find that using Demon to connect to their own Quake server
produces worse ping times than using Global for the same site!
What I've found is that all of these providers, U-net as well, give
fairly good ping values, but there is some congestion on top which is
giving a very poor performance for Demon and Global, at least at peakish
hours. At silly times of the day, like 5.00 am, they are all tolerably
good. My observation is that U-net (Haven't tried Pipex, too
expensive!) doesn't normally suffer such bad congestion. On the other
hand there are certain quake sites that cause my U-net connection to get
stuck (packet overload maybe) which doesn't happen on other service
providers.
I also tried BT internet, which you would think would be pretty good,
direct connection to the backbone etc, but 'fraid not. ping times are
not very good and there is some constant lag on top, that causes the
modem icon to appear every few seconds. In addition, BT's logon
procedure is that annoying type which doesn't allow for a script, so you
can't use DOS TCP/IP! :-(
Has anyone found a fix for the packet overload problem?
Geffers.
Robert Harvey
Geoff Phillips <Ge...@Phillips.powernet.co.uk> wrote:
>About Demon: I'm currently trying out Demon and Global Internet, in
>anticipation of ISDN, which is no extra cost on these providers. I'm
>astonished to find that using Demon to connect to their own Quake server
>produces worse ping times than using Global for the same site!
[snip]
It seems that way for me too, connecting via Pipex is as fast and
sometimes faster than connecting via demon. Very suprising (maybe not,
knowing demon...:-)
banDsaw
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Lee Davison
pspe...@linx.co.uk (Phil Speller) wrote :>
> > My system spec is close to your own but I manage to acheive
> >under 300 most times (average 250 ish) I would suggest a different ISP
[snip]
> My home account is also with Demon. I have a P133 and connect via a
> 28k8 modem. My ping rates are similar to yours Alan, approx 250ms,
> but I usually find the games to be very 'laggy' - even with ping rates
> as low as 200ms. I have played against people on U-Net and Pipex, who
> have had similar ping rates to me in the game, and I couldn't touch
[snip]
> this further convinced me that Demon's network is just too loaded to
> get a smooth game of Quake.
>
> Phil Speller (aka Ragnarok),
I too am a demon subscriber and usually ping between 200-300 but the
games are very stuttery which I put down to packet loss.
Yesterday I played through Global using a friends account (my PC)
and it was a revelation.
The ping was approximately the same (perhaps 20 or so less on average)
but the jerkiness was totally gone !
Needless to say I shall be looking into changing my ISP.
Also I have found that Demon suffers very badly at certain times.
I can play fine without the jerkiness during the day sat/sun
but the connection is more-or-less hopeless weekday evenings.
Does anybody know if any ISP`s in the UK still do free trials?
It seemed that last year I couldn`t buy a magazine without being
offered half a dozen free months.Now the only people offering seem
to be compuserve and aol.
I`d like to try as many ISP`s as possible to find out who is best for
Quake.
Cheers , Lee
TG>Kami.Kaze
Clan Home www.yibble.demon.co.uk
Alan
In article <VA.00000014.00040f4a@lees-pc>, Lee Davison
<l...@leedvson.demon.co.uk> writes
[snip previous bits]
>
>I too am a demon subscriber and usually ping between 200-300 but the
>games are very stuttery which I put down to packet loss.
>
[]
>
>Does anybody know if any ISP`s in the UK still do free trials?
>
availablity is on it's way.
>It seemed that last year I couldn`t buy a magazine without being
>offered half a dozen free months.Now the only people offering seem
>to be compuserve and aol.
Terry Harris
Alan <al...@alan.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>Does anybody know if any ISP`s in the UK still do free trials?
>>
>Just spoke to Pipex sales and a free CD with 28 days connection
>availablity is on it's way.
Are you sure that isn't just going to give you web access? When I
joined pipex (with a wing and a prayer) that's all the trial offer
gave you.
Cheers Terry...
Adam Williamson
>
>> > My system spec is close to your own but I manage to acheive
>> >under 300 most times (average 250 ish) I would suggest a different ISP
>
>[snip]
>
>> My home account is also with Demon. I have a P133 and connect via a
>> 28k8 modem. My ping rates are similar to yours Alan, approx 250ms,
>> but I usually find the games to be very 'laggy' - even with ping rates
>> as low as 200ms. I have played against people on U-Net and Pipex, who
>> have had similar ping rates to me in the game, and I couldn't touch
>
>[snip]
>
>> this further convinced me that Demon's network is just too loaded to
>> get a smooth game of Quake.
>>
>> Phil Speller (aka Ragnarok),
>
>games are very stuttery which I put down to packet loss.
>
some 'net Quake, and I find that the fastest server i've tried so far is
quake2.threewave.com. Don't know the pings (ping doesn't work from
quakeppp, for me at least) but it plays pretty well, about a quarter of
a second control lag, it's definitely playable. Plus, custom CTF rocks
normal Quake *totally*, so it's a double-win situation :)
--
Adam Williamson
Scott Lyon
Adam Williamson wrote:
> >I too am a demon subscriber and usually ping between 200-300 but the
> >games are very stuttery which I put down to packet loss.
> >
> It's strange...got a USR 33.6 modem a week ago and i've been playing
> some 'net Quake, and I find that the fastest server i've tried so far is
> quake2.threewave.com. Don't know the pings (ping doesn't work from
> quakeppp, for me at least) but it plays pretty well, about a quarter of
> a second control lag, it's definitely playable. Plus, custom CTF rocks
> normal Quake *totally*, so it's a double-win situation :)
> --
> Adam Williamson
type ping at the console.... it will give you pings for all players you
included.
QDM for Dos will give you a server list and pings too....
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Phil Speller <pspe...@linx.co.uk> wrote in article
<329284a1...@snews.zippo.com>...
> >>You all seem very lucky to me, I have to put up with a Ping over 400
> >>to any Quake server and I still kill a few even though most of the
> >>time I'm out of control because of the delay
> >>
> >>Just wish I could find a UK Quake Server that pings well
The UK servers do ping well Its your provider more than likely.
> > My system spec is close to your own but I manage to acheive
> >under 300 most times (average 250 ish) I would suggest a different ISP
Me too.
> >--
> >Regards
> >Alan
>
> My home account is also with Demon. I have a P133 and connect via a
> 28k8 modem. My ping rates are similar to yours Alan, approx 250ms,
> but I usually find the games to be very 'laggy' - even with ping rates
> as low as 200ms. I have played against people on U-Net and Pipex, who
> have had similar ping rates to me in the game, and I couldn't touch
> them.
snip--------->
Hi,
I now use Pipex after moving from Globalnet( looking for a faster quake
game)
I think its most likely a Demon issue here they have so many users
their
routers are bound to be suffering under the strain, tho if you are
subscribing to Demon
I would have thought it wouldnt be so much of a problem, still i`m no
expert,far
from it.
I get a ping usually about 120 -> 130 conecting to demon but still
find
the
game very choppy, sometimes locking up totally. It might be the server
thats
not upto the job of running quake with 16 players tho. I play games in
the
USA
smoother than the Demon server ??? .
I currently feel
> that Demon is a poor ISP for Quake - their network is just too loaded.
> I'm very tempted to give U-Net and/or Pipex a try.
>
I would give Pipex a go if your happy with the £15/month cost
When you look at the cost of your phone calls, is the higher
subscription charge really that much of a deal.
I`m not loaded, just prepared to pay a bit extra for a good Game.
> As a slight aside, one of the Pipex based players happen to connect to
> a Demon Quake server. He complained of a very poor game. Yes, it was
> poor for me as well, but not significantly worse than I'm used to -
> this further convinced me that Demon's network is just too loaded to
> get a smooth game of Quake.
If you are looking to move providers Pipex have a 45Mbit T3 to the
USA, USrobotics 33600 modems and are upgrading to X2 as soon
as usr get it released, 1st Quarter 97 allegedly. Connects 1st time
every time too, never been engaged once in three months.
> Phil Speller (aka Ragnarok),
> Cambridgeshire,
> England.
>
> Email : pspe...@linx.co.uk [Work]
> Ph...@digriz.demon.co.uk [Home]
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Robert Harvey
Gary Hilton <gary....@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>> My home account is also with Demon. I have a P133 and connect via a
>> 28k8 modem. My ping rates are similar to yours Alan, approx 250ms,
>> but I usually find the games to be very 'laggy' - even with ping rates
>> as low as 200ms. I have played against people on U-Net and Pipex, who
>> have had similar ping rates to me in the game, and I couldn't touch
>> them.
>snip--------->
>
>Hi,
>I now use Pipex after moving from Globalnet( looking for a faster quake game)
>I think its most likely a Demon issue here they have so many users their
>routers are bound to be suffering under the strain, tho if you are
>subscribing to Demon I would have thought it wouldnt be so much of a problem,
>still i`m no expert,far from it.
>
>I get a ping usually about 120 -> 130 conecting to demon but still find the
>ame very choppy, sometimes locking up totally. It might be the server thats
>not upto the job of running quake with 16 players tho. I play games in the
>USA smoother than the Demon server ??? .
Surprisingly the Demon server does play as well or sometimes better
from my Pipex account than my Demon account!
>
>
> I currently feel
>> that Demon is a poor ISP for Quake - their network is just too loaded.
>> I'm very tempted to give U-Net and/or Pipex a try.
>>
>
> I would give Pipex a go if your happy with the £15/month cost
> When you look at the cost of your phone calls, is the higher
> subscription charge really that much of a deal.
> I`m not loaded, just prepared to pay a bit extra for a good Game.
I agree with this. My main reason for getting a pipex account was that
Demon was very slow downloading anything from the USA. IMHO Pipex
being a bigger company would invest more in the infrastructure
required for fast internet access than Demon. People are always making
excuses for demon saying 'well it's understandable they have a few
problems - their user base is growing exponentially' (or suchlike). To
me this is a good reason to switch ISP! I don't believe they have the
expertise to manage this rapid growth - witness the appallingly slow
web space access, sporadic news access, email delays etc. Ok you get
5MB of free webspace, but what's the point if it's too slow for anyone
else to access?
> If you are looking to move providers Pipex have a 45Mbit T3 to the
> USA, USrobotics 33600 modems and are upgrading to X2 as soon
> as usr get it released, 1st Quarter 97 allegedly. Connects 1st time
> every time too, never been engaged once in three months.
Exactly.
Anyway despite all my demon bashing :-) I'm quite glad they have put
up a Quake server as for me it is sometimes as fast as the late
lamented Minos <G>. I just wish they would get rid of the random
weapons patch, it makes getting a high scorea matter of luck IMHO.
Phil Speller
I just received my free trial for Pipex today. After the initial
registration process to obtain your username and password, it is quite
easy to configure 95's dial-up networking to connect to Pipex. I am
now playing Quake via Pipex rather than Demon. So far it's looking
good - similar ping times but less in game lag. Infact, this
lunchtime I got very smooth connections to Minos_Public and Nano.
More testing tonight... :)
Terry Harris
pspe...@linx.co.uk (Phil Speller) wrote:
>I just received my free trial for Pipex today. After the initial
>registration process to obtain your username and password, it is quite
>easy to configure 95's dial-up networking to connect to Pipex. I am
>now playing Quake via Pipex rather than Demon. So far it's looking
>good - similar ping times but less in game lag. Infact, this
>lunchtime I got very smooth connections to Minos_Public and Nano.
>More testing tonight... :)
I find nano better than minos and the best server I ever played on was
the one demon recently put up (shame about the crap mod package it
runs).
pipex have VPops at Docklands and Cambridge. The Docklands VPop is
generally better connected than Cambridge (2 less hops to nano for
example) and Cambridge seems to get rather constipated when the net
is busy. They also seem to have recently introduced additional VPops
of a new type at Cambridge (pipex never tell their customers
anything) which seem very poor (as far as QSpy running multiple
queries is concerned anyhow).
You don't get any choice of what you connect to other than hanging up
and spending 5p trying again.
Cheers Terry...
Robert Harvey
terry....@dial.pipex.com (Terry Harris) wrote:
>pspe...@linx.co.uk (Phil Speller) wrote:
> [Snip}
>I find nano better than minos and the best server I ever played on was
>the one demon recently put up (shame about the crap mod package it
>runs).
Yes I agree about the mods; Although they were running the
AltDeathmatch mode the other night and it rocked! I hadn't played that
mode before and it was pretty cool, the DBF (Delay Between Frags :-))
was very short. Hope they run it again...
Alan
On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:12:45 GMT, pspe...@linx.co.uk (Phil Speller)
wrote:
>On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:21:12 GMT, terry....@dial.pipex.com (Terry
>Harris) wrote:
>>Alan <al...@alan.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>Does anybody know if any ISP`s in the UK still do free trials?
>>>>
no I didn't !
>>>Just spoke to Pipex sales and a free CD with 28 days connection
>>>availablity is on it's way.
this bit I did :)
>>
>>Are you sure that isn't just going to give you web access? When I
>>joined pipex (with a wing and a prayer) that's all the trial offer
>>gave you.
>>
>>Cheers Terry...
>
Terry,
Once you sit down and get into it , it very easy to get **full**
internet resources as you would expect from an ISP (excellent)
>I just received my free trial for Pipex today. After the initial
>registration process to obtain your username and password, it is quite
>easy to configure 95's dial-up networking to connect to Pipex. I am
>now playing Quake via Pipex rather than Demon. So far it's looking
>good - similar ping times but less in game lag. Infact, this
>lunchtime I got very smooth connections to Minos_Public and Nano.
>More testing tonight... :)
>
emm....... me too :)
>Phil Speller (aka Ragnarok),
>Cambridgeshire,
>England.
>
>Email : pspe...@linx.co.uk [Work]
> Ph...@digriz.demon.co.uk [Home]
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