best quake player
Syd Barret
Man this is insane - everyone discussing best quake player...I'll start
by saying that person is DEFINITELY not me - but - its just like souping
up your car to drag race - there is always someone out there who can
beat you, no matter how fast your car is or how good a driver you are. I
doubt anyone has a clue as to how many quake players there are, (pirated
copies, etc, there are TONS of servers, and some that just play on local
lans. The best in a tournament (organized) is one thing...but I
seriously doubt thats the end-all, settle-it-all on crowning a quake
king. Its like trying to crown the best beer drinker on earth - there
are just too damn many of them.
My 2 cents worth
Happy Fragging!
Syd
sig...@spamless.com
Syd Barret <re...@to.newsgroup.com> wrote:
Yea. I agree totally. For all of those out there that DO think that
Thresh is the 'BEST PLAYER IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD', just ask yourself
this question:"would he have won if he had to play RA on a modem?".
No, I don't think so. Come to think of it, Was'nt ALL the finalists
f**king LPBs? Since 80-90% of all Internet players must play on a
modem this means that only 10-20% of ALL players even had a CHANCE to
begin with. I really and truly believe this is why the finals was'nt
as close as Carmack thought it would be. BTW, I wonder if thresh would
have went unkilled in the finals if they had played a REAL 1on1 map,
like DM4(with quad,damnit). :)
comments and intellegent dicussions are welcome.
Beergod
On Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:42:29 -0500, Syd Barret
<re...@to.newsgroup.com> wrote:
>Man this is insane - everyone discussing best quake player...I'll start
>by saying that person is DEFINITELY not me - but - its just like souping
>up your car to drag race - there is always someone out there who can
>beat you, no matter how fast your car is or how good a driver you are. I
>doubt anyone has a clue as to how many quake players there are, (pirated
>copies, etc, there are TONS of servers, and some that just play on local
>lans. The best in a tournament (organized) is one thing...but I
>seriously doubt thats the end-all, settle-it-all on crowning a quake
>king. Its like trying to crown the best beer drinker on earth - there
>are just too damn many of them.
>
>My 2 cents worth
>Happy Fragging!
>Syd
I can't help but apply for the best Beer drinker............
Later,
Beer Rocks!!!!
Metal Rules!!!
Joel Baxter
In article <5oulap$o1h$1...@news8.gte.net>, <sig...@spamless.com> wrote:
>
>Yea. I agree totally. For all of those out there that DO think that
>Thresh is the 'BEST PLAYER IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD', just ask yourself
>this question:"would he have won if he had to play RA on a modem?".
>No, I don't think so. Come to think of it, Was'nt ALL the finalists
>f**king LPBs? Since 80-90% of all Internet players must play on a
>modem this means that only 10-20% of ALL players even had a CHANCE to
>begin with. I really and truly believe this is why the finals was'nt
>as close as Carmack thought it would be. BTW, I wonder if thresh would
>have went unkilled in the finals if they had played a REAL 1on1 map,
>like DM4(with quad,damnit). :)
>
>comments and intellegent dicussions are welcome.
>
OK, here's some I hope. :-)
First, and this is not necessarily a reply to you in particular,
anyone talking about how Thresh is "not so hot", or how they
could "take" him, is smoking some serious stuff. If Thresh
isn't the best Quake player in North America, then whoever that
best player is would surely be given a run for their money in
a 1-on-1 with Thresh. (Like someone else mentioned, it will
be interesting to see what happens if Thresh attends DMCon
or QuakeCon or some other big LAN thingy. And make them
record 1st person demos this time dammit!)
I've played against him, observed him on servers, and watched
over his shoulder a little even. Same for a lot of other good
players, and Thresh is simply at least as good as anyone else
I've ever seen.
I agree that the final demo doesn't show this very well. But
part of being a good Quake player is (by definition I would
think) doing whatever it takes to win. Especially if there
are prizes at stake. :-) From what I've seen, Thresh is very
strong at sticking to a gameplan, and not getting panicky or
overaggressive. (Same goes for most other great players of
course.) He knows the map, knows where he should be / where he
should be going / what he needs to be acquiring, and he has a
pretty good idea of exactly what his opponent is doing.
Another important thing is first-shot accuracy. If you can
get that first rocket shot in and hit your opponent, your
opponent is now in the air and at least a little disoriented.
(This is what I really need to improve on.) Thresh has this; he
shoots where he intends to. You won't see his rockets
accidentally hitting walls and corners too often, even on
thread-the-needle flick shots. He can also do this while moving
around enough that you're missing him with your shots.
I'm not necessarily intending to build the Thresh Shrine here
:-) but I'm just a little annoyed at the predictable rash of
players claiming that he's not that great. I strongly
suspect that the people who are loudest about that could be
taken down quite easily by any of the 16 finalists. The final
16, and especially the final 8, of the RA tournament was an
extremely strong field. The fact that Thresh pummeled them
all so severely ought to count for something. His opponent
in the final, Entropy, makes most of HIS opponents look plain
stupid, but not in RA round 4, and especially not in the final.
Granted you don't often see a close 1-on-1 game since the loser
has to eventually try to take chances and play catch-up, but I
was surprised at the margin of victory in the final.
Two general final points:
- To answer a question from elsewhere in this thread,
yes, the best players are defensive, especially against
other great players. In Quake you simply score more if
you don't die, and your opponent of course scores less.
It might be more exciting if all players went all-out
offensively, but that's basic game theory for you. If one
player does that but the other player plays
conservatively/defensively, the conservative one is going
to crush the other one, if the players are of approximately
the same skill. So everyone has to play defensively.
- As for Thresh somehow riding his low ping to victory,
I've actually seen him win at least one FFA as a modem
player with my clanmate Xris in the game, and my biased
opinion is that when Xris is on his game (not rusty) he is
at least as good as most of the 16 RA finalists, especially
in a FFA. In general Thresh on a modem is a scary thing.
Now, FFA is significantly different from 1-on-1; I think
there are definitely low-pingers out there who could beat
Thresh in a 1-on-1 if Thresh were on a modem, but modem
players? Not bloody likely. And yes, all the finalists in
RA were LPBs, but I think that at least a few of them got to
the round of 256 on modems. Once you're at that point, if
you really think you have a shot at a Ferrari, you will FIND
a digital connection to use.
Regardless of the mixups of the early stages of RA, I agree
with Cash or Carmack or whoever said in their .plan that Thresh
has a better claim to that Ferrari than anyone. Yes, all
you UK, Canadian, etc. players can get off me :-); I'm taking as
a given that the tournament was for USA only. I think we all
knew a long time ago that RA didn't have anything to do with
the "best player in the world."
Those people who are honestly curious about what makes a good
1-on-1 Quake player could learn a lot from all the RA finals
demos, although the lack of powerups makes for a few
significant changes in strategy (and probably less exciting
games, although more fair), and the autocam isn't as good as
a first-person demo.
Those people who just want to go on and on about how they could
whup any of the RA finalists, or keep harping on the unfairness
of RA, could learn something too, but they probably won't.
Something about talking the talk vs. walking the walk.
--
Joel Baxter jba...@lemur.stanford.edu http://lemur.stanford.edu/~jbaxter/
aka lemurboy Clan 9 From Outer Space http://lemur.stanford.edu/clan9/
Philip Epstein
jba...@lemur.Stanford.EDU (Joel Baxter) wrote:
> players? Not bloody likely. And yes, all the finalists in
> RA were LPBs, but I think that at least a few of them got to
> the round of 256 on modems. Once you're at that point, if
> you really think you have a shot at a Ferrari, you will FIND
> a digital connection to use.
>
>a given that the tournament was for USA only. I think we all
>knew a long time ago that RA didn't have anything to do with
>the "best player in the world."
First off I want to say that your post is pretty much %100 correct. I
can't speak on Thresh's skill very much but I'm quite sure he is one
of the best players in the world no question.
I'd just like to make a quick comment of agreement about the fact that
"RA didn't have anything to do with the best player in the world".
The reason people disparage RA and Thresh maybe by association is
because everyone who has half a brain knows that RA was the biggest
piece of bullshit tourney ever put on. I'm not referring to the
finals, but to the rounds leading up to them. Of course you're not
going to be able to make everything fair with the randomness of the
internet but RA was ridiculous. As a participant in Round 3, I can
personally vouch for the fact that any player from the east coast had
very little chance of qualifying on at least the first few days of
Round 3. Every east coast player I saw had pings of around 170 while
the west coast players (Thresh and WhiteWolf on Day 1) had pings of
40-50. There is NO WAY you can beat a 40-50 with 170 ping (when the
players are close in skill). And I'm not even going to go into the
rest of the stuff that happened with RA, everyone knows the facts by
now.
Phil Epstein
Philip Epstein
tt...@columbia.edu (Namae) wrote:
>Uh, that reminds me of the FNT tourney. We had to play Legends
>(WhiteWolf was playing, but not Thresh...this is CTF we talking here)
>on a west coast server for the quaterfinal, screwing my whole clan
>who's on the east coast. In fact, I know quite a number of LPBs who
>didn't even try for RA because they knew they were gonna get screwed
>on the servers.
Yeah they did the same thing to QS, played on a west coast server
where they had siginificantly lower pings. How many bullshit loses
does it take for people to realize:
PING IS GOD IN QUAKE.
Phil Epstein
And please no one say "I beat an LPB with 200 ping". I don't care.
Joel Baxter
In article <33b4c067....@news.erols.com>,
Philip Epstein <p...@po.cwru.edu> wrote:
>jba...@lemur.Stanford.EDU (Joel Baxter) wrote:
>
>>a given that the tournament was for USA only. I think we all
>>knew a long time ago that RA didn't have anything to do with
>>the "best player in the world."
>
[ snip ]
>
>I'd just like to make a quick comment of agreement about the fact that
>"RA didn't have anything to do with the best player in the world".
>
>The reason people disparage RA and Thresh maybe by association is
>because everyone who has half a brain knows that RA was the biggest
>piece of bullshit tourney ever put on. I'm not referring to the
>finals, but to the rounds leading up to them. Of course you're not
>going to be able to make everything fair with the randomness of the
>internet but RA was ridiculous. As a participant in Round 3, I can
>personally vouch for the fact that any player from the east coast had
>very little chance of qualifying on at least the first few days of
>Round 3. Every east coast player I saw had pings of around 170 while
>the west coast players (Thresh and WhiteWolf on Day 1) had pings of
>40-50. There is NO WAY you can beat a 40-50 with 170 ping (when the
>players are close in skill). And I'm not even going to go into the
>rest of the stuff that happened with RA, everyone knows the facts by
>now.
Yah, I kind of skipped over the whole East/West brouhaha in my post.
Of course, MPlayer claims that they were distributing the servers
equally between West, Midwest, and East (for some definition thereof).
For a few reasons this didn't turn out to help much (and it may be worth
rehashing this for the benefit of any future Internet tourneys):
- Having all the games be "fair on average", whatever that means,
is absolutely NOT the same as having every game be fair.
- Even having a server "in the East" doesn't guarantee that an
"Eastern" player will get a good ping off of it, because of Internet
topology. But of course this works the same way for "Western" players.
There are servers in Massachusetts that give me better pings than some
in California. I've seen people get caught up in a sort of East-coast
vs. West-coast thing, like gang warfare or something, which is really
pretty silly considering how little geography has to do with anything.
If all "Eastern" players were usually getting bad pings, but the
"Western" players were usually getting good pings, this is kind of
hard to explain. Maybe it was just bad luck, and all of MPlayer's
servers happened to be near a backbone that most of the "Western"
players happened to be near. Anyway, whatever the reason, MPlayer's
geographical distribution of servers was not really a good solution.
In some of the later rounds, after MPlayer got some flack about pings,
they started posting the player's pings and the server distribution.
I've got to admit that the pings looked pretty even to me. Of course
that doesn't say anything about what the pings were in the early rounds,
and Thresh was in round 1. :-) (You were too, right?)
It seems like the Clan Gib guys have been most vocally pissed about this
whole thing. They certainly have a lot of great players. Since h0nus
is kind of the flavor of the month, maybe he and Thresh will get to mix
it up on a LAN soon. That would be cool.
E.A.Deneault
On Thu, 26 Jun 1997, Beergod wrote:
> >lans. The best in a tournament (organized) is one thing...but I
> >seriously doubt thats the end-all, settle-it-all on crowning a quake
> >king. Its like trying to crown the best beer drinker on earth - there
> >are just too damn many of them.
You can call him the best Quake player, but realistically he isnt. To
crown the best you have to have a tourney that includes EVERY player on
the world, which NOONE could do realistically. Sure Thresh was crowned
king of Mplayer, but is that REALLY an acheivement? Sure he got the
Ferrari, but who cares? He probably cant afford the insurance for it.
SteelAngel of Clan Promethium
--
http://homebase.res.wpi.net/promethium
Onramp
E.A.Deneault wrote in article ...
>On Thu, 26 Jun 1997, Beergod wrote:
>
>
>You can call him the best Quake player, but realistically he isnt. To
>crown the best you have to have a tourney that includes EVERY player on
>the world, which NOONE could do realistically. Sure Thresh was crowned
>king of Mplayer, but is that REALLY an acheivement?
It was certainly an achievement when you consider that despite the fact
that the tournament was lame and that West Coast players had a big
advantage pingwise Thresh was far and away the best player in the finals,
noone was even close.
>Sure he got the
>Ferrari, but who cares? He probably cant afford the insurance for it.
True, he probably can't afford insurance, but then again he told everyone
at the awards ceremony that he can't even drive a stick, so he won't be
driving it anyway :)
>
>SteelAngel of Clan Promethium
>
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Joel Baxter <jba...@lemur.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>I'm not necessarily intending to build the Thresh Shrine here
>:-) but I'm just a little annoyed at the predictable rash of
>players claiming that he's not that great. I strongly
>suspect that the people who are loudest about that could be
>taken down quite easily by any of the 16 finalists. The final
The problem is the people whining have never played the great
players, and so have no point of reference. Heck, I play quite
a bit, mostly on QuakeWorld (under the name "Moonshadow"), and
never run into any of those who made the finals. I recognized
several names in the first 3 rounds as people I've played, but
the ones who went to Atlanta were Quake strangers to me.
Considering that the people who went to Atlanta trashed in round 3
those people I did recognize, most of whom trash me, I have no
trouble believing they are really really good.
If any really good players are tired of the whiners doubting their
skill, I'm willing to play a match with the good player. The good
player can record it and then the whiners can look at the recording
and see how badly I get creamed. Then the whiner can find me in qspy
and play me. If they don't whip me as bad as the good player, they
can shut up. I play QuakeWorld enough that the whiners would have no
trouble finding me.
--Tim Smith
Prox
E.A.Deneault wrote:
>
> On Thu, 26 Jun 1997, Beergod wrote:
>
> > >seriously doubt thats the end-all, settle-it-all on crowning a quake
> > >king. Its like trying to crown the best beer drinker on earth - there
> > >are just too damn many of them.
>
> crown the best you have to have a tourney that includes EVERY player on
> the world, which NOONE could do realistically. Sure Thresh was crowned
> Ferrari, but who cares? He probably cant afford the insurance for it.
>
>
Heh, you play Thresh 1 on 1 then. I'm sure you'll lose all your doubts
within the first minute.
E.A.Deneault
On Thu, 3 Jul 1997, Prox wrote:
> > crown the best you have to have a tourney that includes EVERY player on
> > the world, which NOONE could do realistically. Sure Thresh was crowned
> > king of Mplayer, but is that REALLY an acheivement? Sure he got the
> > Ferrari, but who cares? He probably cant afford the insurance for it.
> >
> Heh, you play Thresh 1 on 1 then. I'm sure you'll lose all your doubts
> within the first minute.
>
I didnt say that I could be him. I was merely stating that calling Thresh
the "King of Quake" and hailing him as the best player to grace the
universe is a bit much, considering that the tournament wasn't
all-inclusive.
BTW, I could probably kick his ass at TF, since I no longer Deathmatch :p
Allan L. Chu
Prox (gt9...@prism.gatech.edu) wrote:
: Heh, you play Thresh 1 on 1 then. I'm sure you'll lose all your doubts
: within the first minute.
Doubt that he's the best in the world? I've played entropy and h0nus
and gollum9, batch9, thorn9 and all of them have stomped on me pretty
bad. All of these guys are impressive to watch and play against.
Thresh is good, to be sure, but he isn't god. Entropy lost to Thresh on
a map he didn't know too well, and he lost once. He was nervous, and
people watching him play said that it was obvious that his hands were
shaking. Thresh, on the other hand, is used to this sort of competition
from his doom days. Hopefully, Thresh will go to DMCon and play other
people on different maps (like rix9, h0nus, biatch9, thorn9...) and
we'll see that he's beatable. There is no "best quake player" because
everyone is better on maps on which they are comfortable... map is very
very important. Get rix, batch and h0nus to play him on dm4, or thorn
biatch and h0nus on dm6... and Thresh will be beaten.
jester
zh...@wmich.edu
Hi there Jester. Didn't realize you were around 'til now, looking at
the email address. This is [PI]DemonsBane, and I'm gonna hafta disagree with
you on the Thresh issue =). Thresh IS all that good...I'm pretty sure of
that. In fact, my guess as to why he played so little Dm6 at the finals was
because no one could hope to handle him on that level! Also, I have played
both
Reptile-POST and CGIB-GunPowdr, and I can say that I was much more scared of
Reptile than GunPowdr. GunPowdr beat Honus at GibCon so they must at least
be comparable...from my experience, Reptile can beat GunPowdr...and at the
finals, Thresh beat Reptile 14 to 6!
And you just can't over look the fact that Clan LGD has won every
official clanring match against teams like AM, GIB, I9, etc., and just about
everytime, Thresh was well in the lead fragwise.
Personally, I think the representation at E3 finals was as good as it
gets or approximately so, and Thresh effortlessly blew them all away...
building the legend of Thresh, :)
-DB
zh...@wmich.edu
And I agree with that post by Tim Smith back there...very blunt and
to the point: most people jsut don't have a perspective of who's who in the
quake community...the tough servers where you can find out are pretty hard to
find(at first) and most people have never played on those servers.
Just think about playing a bot...one programmed to not miss no matter
how frantically you move...that's what many real good players out there can
do...and then there's Thresh who makes short work of them as well.
-DB
Catseye
Joel Baxter wrote:
> First, and this is not necessarily a reply to you in particular,
> anyone talking about how Thresh is "not so hot", or how they
> could "take" him, is smoking some serious stuff. If Thresh
> isn't the best Quake player in North America, then whoever that
> best player is would surely be given a run for their money in
> a 1-on-1 with Thresh. (Like someone else mentioned, it will
I'm glad you correct yourself on this later in your message (about North
America). I was gonna jump on you for that one. :) A well said
message, if not a little long winded. :) Basically, good players can
push each other to the next level. When I enter a server, and I see
certain players, I know I'm in for a good battle. Its a hell of a lot
more fun battling someone as good as yourself, and people get real lazy
when fighting the folks a tier below in talent. Quake may be an action
game, but in deathmatch its also a strategy game. No game plan, no
victory.
> Two general final points:
>
> - To answer a question from elsewhere in this thread,
> yes, the best players are defensive, especially against
> other great players. In Quake you simply score more if
> you don't die, and your opponent of course scores less.
> It might be more exciting if all players went all-out
> offensively, but that's basic game theory for you. If one
> player does that but the other player plays
> conservatively/defensively, the conservative one is going
> to crush the other one, if the players are of approximately
> the same skill. So everyone has to play defensively.
The best offense is a good defense. :)
Anyone know where this Thresh guy plays (server ips?). Perhaps it will
be a good idea for people to try him first hand instead of through a
demo and thinking "Well, I wouldn't have gotten caught there..." or "I
would ave waiting for him here...".
Catseye
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Philip Epstein <p...@po.cwru.edu> wrote:
>Round 3. Every east coast player I saw had pings of around 170 while
>the west coast players (Thresh and WhiteWolf on Day 1) had pings of
>40-50. There is NO WAY you can beat a 40-50 with 170 ping (when the
Hah! We west coast modem players would have killed for a 170 on day 2
of Round 3. I got slaughtered in round 1 by LGD-Pookie and Slum-lord
(mostly by Pookie...she was killing me so much, Slum-lord didn't have
time to rack up a lot of frags on me). I'm sure she would have still
slaughtered me even if I had been playing on the server, but with the
ping I had I didn't even get a chance to watch her technique, because
as soon as I'd see her, I'd also see her rocket exploding in my face.
I don't mind getting slaughtered by better players, but I want to at
least feel like I'm pariticipating in the game.
--Tim Smith
ps: I was "SpeakerToAnimals" in Red Anhilation, in case anyone for some
reason is trying to look up the game mentioned above to see just how
much my ass was kicked by Pookie.
Joel Baxter
In article <5pgcg5$i...@netnews.upenn.edu>,
Allan L. Chu <all...@futures.wharton.upenn.edu> wrote:
>Prox (gt9...@prism.gatech.edu) wrote:
>
>: Heh, you play Thresh 1 on 1 then. I'm sure you'll lose all your doubts
>: within the first minute.
>
>Doubt that he's the best in the world? I've played entropy and h0nus
>and gollum9, batch9, thorn9 and all of them have stomped on me pretty
>bad. All of these guys are impressive to watch and play against.
>
And Gollum and Entropy were in that group of 16 that Thresh DOMINATED.
Maybe he didn't meet Entropy before the final (don't remember), but Entropy
sure didn't breeze through the first rounds like Thresh did.
>Thresh is good, to be sure, but he isn't god. Entropy lost to Thresh on
>a map he didn't know too well, and he lost once.
You have got to be kidding. E1M2? Castle of the Damned? Are we talking
about the same map here? :-). Hrmm, I guess if you never play Internet
Quake or very much FFA that's possible... it's probably not very popular for
LAN team matches or 1-on-1.
> He was nervous, and
>people watching him play said that it was obvious that his hands were
>shaking. Thresh, on the other hand, is used to this sort of competition
>from his doom days.
I'm sure there's a lot to that. Staying cool is such a huge advantage in
1-on-1, that if you're nervous from the get-go, you're pretty much sunk.
(That's part of your game, though.)
> Hopefully, Thresh will go to DMCon and play other
>people on different maps (like rix9, h0nus, biatch9, thorn9...) and
>we'll see that he's beatable.
Hope that he (and the other LGDs too) do show up for DMCon and/or
QuakeCon... not that I'll get to go, but it will probably generate some good
demos, stories, and controversy. :-) I've heard that they at least intend
to go to DMCon to finish out the Elite Eight clan tournament. Maybe someone
can beat him. It would be fun to see the games in any case. I certainly
don't think that anyone could take him 2 out of 3 (i.e. lose some of the
luck factor), but what do I know? Actually not much, despite all the
posting I've done on these threads. :-)
Tying back in to one of my other posts, I'd like to see
sCary/giggler/Shadow/Squirrel/ParadoX play against some of these guys we've
been discussing.
> There is no "best quake player" because
>everyone is better on maps on which they are comfortable... map is very
>very important. Get rix, batch and h0nus to play him on dm4, or thorn
>biatch and h0nus on dm6... and Thresh will be beaten.
>
Well, he's always looked pretty comfortable on DM4 and DM6 to me... anyway,
did you see that a couple of the LGD guys in Phase IV picked to play him on
DM1? No rocket launcher, no LG, I guess they figured they had a better
chance of getting a lucky grenade bounce or something. Pretty funny,
because they were wrong, wrong, wrong. At one point one of the observers
even threatened to DQ B2 if he didn't "start trying", which squeezed a
little bit of righteous indignation out of B2.
(Speaking of map choice, what was up with Entropy vs. Reptile in the Vaults
of Zin? That was kind of surreal...)
You know, if nothing else, RA has certainly given us something to talk about
besides camping, running two mods at once, cheating, and how to beat Shub
Niggurath.
Joel Baxter
In article <33BC27...@nospam.surfcity.nb.ca>,
Catseye <cat...@nospam.surfcity.nb.ca> wrote:
>Joel Baxter wrote:
>
>> First, and this is not necessarily a reply to you in particular,
>> anyone talking about how Thresh is "not so hot", or how they
>> could "take" him, is smoking some serious stuff. If Thresh
>> isn't the best Quake player in North America, then whoever that
>> best player is would surely be given a run for their money in
>> a 1-on-1 with Thresh. (Like someone else mentioned, it will
>
>America). I was gonna jump on you for that one. :) A well said
>message, if not a little long winded. :)
[ snip ]
That's me!
Well, actually, I started to just post "Thresh roolz, you guys sux0r" (to fit
in better and all), but then I realized that I was letting Adam Williamson
get too far ahead of me in total lines posted...
Allan L. Chu
Joel Baxter (jba...@lemur.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
: In article <5pgcg5$i...@netnews.upenn.edu>,
: >Doubt that he's the best in the world? I've played entropy and h0nus
: >bad. All of these guys are impressive to watch and play against.
: >
: And Gollum and Entropy were in that group of 16 that Thresh DOMINATED.
: Maybe he didn't meet Entropy before the final (don't remember), but Entropy
: sure didn't breeze through the first rounds like Thresh did.
Sure. gollum played thresh w/o his own equipement (he somehow had his
mouse and mousepad stolen before the 2nd round of Atlanta) and Entropy
was nervous. Nerves play a big role here.
: You have got to be kidding. E1M2? Castle of the Damned? Are we talking
: about the same map here? :-). Hrmm, I guess if you never play Internet
: Quake or very much FFA that's possible... it's probably not very popular for
: LAN team matches or 1-on-1.
Yes we are talking about the same map. E1M2, or ANY map for that
matter, is very very different if you change it from FFA to teamgame or
1 on 1's.
: I'm sure there's a lot to that. Staying cool is such a huge advantage in
: 1-on-1, that if you're nervous from the get-go, you're pretty much sunk.
: (That's part of your game, though.)
Which is true. I would have liked to see them play w/ no prize
involved, but then people would say that they werent trying etc etc..
: Tying back in to one of my other posts, I'd like to see
: sCary/giggler/Shadow/Squirrel/ParadoX play against some of these guys we've
: been discussing.
? who are these guys? =)
: Well, he's always looked pretty comfortable on DM4 and DM6 to me... anyway,
: did you see that a couple of the LGD guys in Phase IV picked to play him on
: DM1? No rocket launcher, no LG, I guess they figured they had a better
: chance of getting a lucky grenade bounce or something. Pretty funny,
: because they were wrong, wrong, wrong. At one point one of the observers
: even threatened to DQ B2 if he didn't "start trying", which squeezed a
: little bit of righteous indignation out of B2.
I think you misunderstood how these maps were picked. for the first 2
Atlanta rounds, the maps were randomly picked from a list of levels.
DM1 is thresh's map. Reptile was ahead of Thresh on his dm6 round, but
then lost control and died a few times during desparate attempts near
the end.
: You know, if nothing else, RA has certainly given us something to talk about
: besides camping, running two mods at once, cheating, and how to beat Shub
: Niggurath.
Hahaha! lol.
jester
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Kent_haug
jba...@lemur.Stanford.EDU (Joel Baxter) wrote:
>Tying back in to one of my other posts, I'd like to see
>sCary/giggler/Shadow/Squirrel/ParadoX play against some of these guys we've
>been discussing.
I'd like to see that too. But I think sCary & Co are gonna get a
spanking, at least if they play the way I've seen so far.
These guys basically have one strategy: attack!
That's obviously an overstatement, but I have this feeling as soon as
someone spots the other, the brain disconnects and they fight as smart
as the average ogre (um. ok, they don't continuously throw grenades up
in the air landing on their head while enemy is watching from a ledge
above.. heh).
Unlike the ogres, these guys got some skillz, so despite the fact that
they're mostly running deathmatch 1 and sv_aim .93, their demos are
very entertaining.
But IIRC, sCary gave Romero a serious beating recently. With Romero
all over trying to do the cool awesome moves, whereas sCary went into
Deep Blue mode analysing and calculating how to rack up frags. "must
win" "must have frags".. BLAH!
After that, I lost all my respect for sCary as a deathmatcher. :-)
[There should be a conclusive point here to wrap up this article, but
I can't think of any]
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Joel Baxter
In article <5pir8o$d...@netnews.upenn.edu>,
[ snip ]
>
>: And Gollum and Entropy were in that group of 16 that Thresh DOMINATED.
>: Maybe he didn't meet Entropy before the final (don't remember), but Entropy
>: sure didn't breeze through the first rounds like Thresh did.
>
>
>Sure. gollum played thresh w/o his own equipement (he somehow had his
>mouse and mousepad stolen before the 2nd round of Atlanta) and Entropy
>was nervous. Nerves play a big role here.
Unlike handling nerves, I guess I can't claim that "keeping track of your
mouse" can be considered an integral part of your Quake game. :-) I know
that certain mouses (mice?) can really piss me off when I try to use them
for Quake. But I would hope that at E3, if anywhere, one could find a good
mouse for gaming. :-)
>
>: You have got to be kidding. E1M2? Castle of the Damned? Are we talking
>: about the same map here? :-). Hrmm, I guess if you never play Internet
>: Quake or very much FFA that's possible... it's probably not very popular for
>: LAN team matches or 1-on-1.
>
>Yes we are talking about the same map.
Yah, I was waxing rhetorical there.
> E1M2, or ANY map for that
>matter, is very very different if you change it from FFA to teamgame or
>1 on 1's.
Good point. But again, learning the maps is part of your game... Thresh
apparently spent a sickening amount of time before the finals going over and
over every map in Quake on the off chance he'd have to play on it.
I'm kind of dancing around the point a little, I know. I really DO believe
that stuff, but I realize what many people (not necessarily you) mean when
they say "best player" is "who would win if we gave them both rocket
launchers and put them in a big square room." However, I'm an advocate of
the Big Picture. :-)
[ snip ]
>
>: Well, he's always looked pretty comfortable on DM4 and DM6 to me... anyway,
>: did you see that a couple of the LGD guys in Phase IV picked to play him on
>: DM1? No rocket launcher, no LG, I guess they figured they had a better
>: chance of getting a lucky grenade bounce or something. Pretty funny,
>: because they were wrong, wrong, wrong. At one point one of the observers
>: even threatened to DQ B2 if he didn't "start trying", which squeezed a
>: little bit of righteous indignation out of B2.
>
>I think you misunderstood how these maps were picked. for the first 2
>Atlanta rounds, the maps were randomly picked from a list of levels.
>DM1 is thresh's map. Reptile was ahead of Thresh on his dm6 round, but
>then lost control and died a few times during desparate attempts near
>the end.
Really? OK. I read something about B2 saying how they spent a lot of the
previous night hashing out the levels they were going to play each other on,
which would only seem to make sense for the initial round, since after that
you don't really know who you'll be playing. I thought the level was only
picked randomly if the players couldn't agree (which is what I assumed
happened to Reptile & Entropy in the Vaults of Zin). But I don't know
anything first-hand.
Sigh. And I thought the choice of DM1 was a really amusing tactic by his
opponents. Oh well... BTW, why do you say it's "Thresh's map"? Because it
rewards DooM skills? :-)
As for the Reptile-Thresh game, that was a good one. ISTR that Reptile only
led him by a frag or two in the first third or so of the game... he got off
to a good/lucky start and then basically hid. (Seriously; watch the demo.)
Once he got flushed out, Thresh climbed back into the lead and put it away,
but Rep played a great game. If we're talking about people who could beat
Thresh, Rep is on the short list.
Speaking of Reptile and good Quake players in general, what do people think
about this:
(If you don't immediately see the connection: Rep is the LA franchise
manager.)
>
>: You know, if nothing else, RA has certainly given us something to talk about
>: besides camping, running two mods at once, cheating, and how to beat Shub
>: Niggurath.
>
>Hahaha! lol.
>
Unfortunately, if we can't get some people in this thread to start flaming
more, it'll never last.
Unknown
Incidently, what kind of Ferarri was it?
Matt
On Wed, 2 Jul 1997 16:59:01 -0500, "Onramp" <her...@gte.net> wrote:
> E.A.Deneault wrote in article ...
>>On Thu, 26 Jun 1997, Beergod wrote:
>>
>>
>>You can call him the best Quake player, but realistically he isnt. To
>>crown the best you have to have a tourney that includes EVERY player on
>>the world, which NOONE could do realistically. Sure Thresh was crowned
>>king of Mplayer, but is that REALLY an acheivement?
>
>It was certainly an achievement when you consider that despite the fact
>that the tournament was lame and that West Coast players had a big
>advantage pingwise Thresh was far and away the best player in the finals,
>noone was even close.
>
> >Sure he got the
>>Ferrari, but who cares? He probably cant afford the insurance for it.
>
>
Nick Darlington
328 - finger jo...@idsoftware.com for most of the info (and I mean most..
if you use a command prompt finger program, spool the output to a file
and then read it in an editor).
Regards,
Nick
Matt wrote in article <33bd34a6...@news.primenet.com>...
> Incidently, what kind of Ferarri was it?
>
> Matt
[snip]
Mark White
In article <Pine.OSF.3.95q.97070...@reno.WPI.EDU>,
ea...@wpi.edu (E.A.Deneault) wrote:
> I didnt say that I could be him. I was merely stating that calling
> Thresh
> the "King of Quake" and hailing him as the best player to grace the
> universe is a bit much, considering that the tournament wasn't
> all-inclusive.
Here's a snip from the lastest Carmack log, which I think is fairly
enlightening...
____________________________start quote_______________________________
Jun 22:
Ok, I'm finally updating my .plans at the top like everyone else...
E3 was interesting, and the tournement went extremely well.
You would think that the top deathmatchers would be an evenly matched
group, seperated by mere milliseconds of response time, and the matches
would be close.
Its not like that at all. There are master players. And there is Thresh.
We were watching him play with our jaws hanging open. I don't think he
was killed a single time in the finals. He did things we had never seen
before. It was amazing to watch.
I feel a lot better about the contest now, because even if the sixteen
finalists weren't necessarily the sixteen best players due to internet
issues, I do think that the grand prize winner IS the best single player.
The level of sportsmanship was gratifying, especially given the stakes.
No sore losers, no tantrums. Everyone was cool.
After the finals, a japanese champion (highroller) asked for a match with
Thresh. I expected him to pass, considering the pressure of the
tournement, but he happily accepted, and delivered an eighty-something to
negative-three beating (which was accepted with good grace).
I don't see much point to any more big tournements until a few more of
these mutant superpowered deathmatchers show up...
__________________________________end quote___________________________
Need we discuss this further ;-)
Mark...
Marvin Symonds
Just wondering, but what controller does Thresh use? I heard that
Spaceorb sponsor him, but I'm not sure.
Adam Williamson
He uses a mouse, probably a logitech mouseman.
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Roscoe A. Sincero
hehehe. Okay, what does Las Vegas has to say about this? 50:1 odds.
Prediction:
Map: START timelimit: 20 mins
Final score: Thresh 32 Hunter -7 :)
Hunter's final comments: "I kept it very close in the first 29 seconds."
edo...@usa.net wrote:
>
<snip>
> Ill take on thresh anytime .. I dont know the story about him.. but i
> have seen all his demo .. and he aint all that great.. If he wants to I
> challenge him to play against me.. He is not the warrior that you all
> people think he is ... Let see if you up for the challenge or do you
> play people that you know you can beat?
>
> [SuN]-Hunter-[TzU]
>
> If you want PLAY THRESH WHO HELL EVER YOU ARE .. I CHALLENGE YOU IN A
> DEATHMATCH..
>
> Mirc ri.gamesnet.net #clan_Sun_Tzu
> im in that channel 24/7 icq number 609098
>
> we can setup a match and see how truly of quake warrior you are
>
> P.S.
>
> Plz. people in this newsgroup dont make a big deal out this.. I just
> want to beat the shit out of this guy thresh and to prove to you all
> that he can be beaten by a regular quaker. Im not the greatest but i
> sure can beat the living hell out of thresh..
>
> Bring on the pain thresh .
The pain is all yours.
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Adam Williamson
On Wed, 09 Jul 1997 20:50:24 -0400, "Roscoe A. Sincero"
<leg...@keg.zymurgy.org> wrote:
A note to Hunter - sorry for the double quotes, I lost the original
article: you won't find Thresh in newsgroups. He hasn't been in
newsgroups since the infamous Merlock/Xoleras/rest of the world
threads in rec.games.computer.doom.playing a while ago...in fact, must
be nearly a year now! Doesn't time fly? :)
Joe Miller
At E3 Thresh used a 2-button mouse. It looked like a Microsoft mouse (at
least similar shape and color), but I could be wrong, it was about 30-ft
away.
Adam Williamson wrote in article <33c3d330...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>On Wed, 09 Jul 1997 19:01:37 +1000, Marvin Symonds
><m...@fastlink.com.au> wrote:
>
>>Just wondering, but what controller does Thresh use? I heard that
>>Spaceorb sponsor him, but I'm not sure.
>>
>He uses a mouse, probably a logitech mouseman.
Wingnut
He does use a SpaceOrb 360. He is indeed sponsored by Spacetec.
Marvin Symonds <m...@fastlink.com.au> wrote in article
<33C35371...@fastlink.com.au>...
Allan L. Chu
he does *NOT* use the damned spaceorb.
jester
Wingnut (dar...@coolhand.com) wrote:
: He does use a SpaceOrb 360. He is indeed sponsored by Spacetec.
: >
: >
Syd Barret
Who gives a tin shit what he uses. Everyone should use whats best for
them (and what they can afford<grin>) and not try to pattern themselves
after someone else. This argument has been going on in more than one
thread, with the apparent insinuation that if you use what he uses, you
will be good. So, in other words I guess if I go buy the same clubs as
Arnold Palmer, I'll shoot a 70 my next golf outing. Or if I pick up a
Mizuno baseball glove, I'll be on the Braves starting lineup this year.
It goes on and on.
Syd
rj
In article <01bc8d7f$aaa2f2e0$6e02...@coolhand.netwizards.net>,
"Wingnut" <dar...@coolhand.com> wrote:
>He does use a SpaceOrb 360. He is indeed sponsored by Spacetec.
No and yes. I should say WAS, he is no longer sponsored by Spacetec
as far as I know. He uses a M$ two-button 'shiny' mouse. And only
uses one button on the mouse, to fire. The mouse is used for mlook
and turning only for him (besides the one button firing) the rest
is all on the keyboard with his config.
rj, Clan Legends (LGD)
--
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rj
In article <33c4b51d...@news.demon.co.uk>,
ad...@spamfree.org (Adam Williamson) wrote:
|A note to Hunter - sorry for the double quotes, I lost the original
|article: you won't find Thresh in newsgroups. He hasn't been in
|newsgroups since the infamous Merlock/Xoleras/rest of the world
|threads in rec.games.computer.doom.playing a while ago...in fact, must
|be nearly a year now! Doesn't time fly? :)
Nearly? Er, try over a year now. Merlock/Xoleras wars happened like
EARLY 1996. Well, I think so anyhows, getting old in my old age. ;)
rj
doudou
Syd Barret wrote:
>
> Allan L. Chu wrote:
> >
> > he does *NOT* use the damned spaceorb.
> >
> > jester
> >
> > : He does use a SpaceOrb 360. He is indeed sponsored by Spacetec.
> >
> > : <33C35371...@fastlink.com.au>...
> > : > Just wondering, but what controller does Thresh use? I heard that
> > : > Spaceorb sponsor him, but I'm not sure.
> > : >
> > : >
>
> Who gives a tin shit what he uses. Everyone should use whats best for
> them (and what they can afford<grin>) and not try to pattern themselves
> after someone else. This argument has been going on in more than one
> thread, with the apparent insinuation that if you use what he uses, you
> will be good. So, in other words I guess if I go buy the same clubs as
> Arnold Palmer, I'll shoot a 70 my next golf outing. Or if I pick up a
> Mizuno baseball glove, I'll be on the Braves starting lineup this year.
> It goes on and on.
>
> Syd
When was the last time Palmer shot 70?
I give a shit, because I used to be a kbd player and really sucked. Then
I saw good players using the mouse, so I switched to it and became a
mediocre player. Then I watched a couple of demos, raised the mouse
sensitivity and I think I came to be a decent player.
BTW, When was the last time Palmer shot 70?
Jimmie Jehl
edo...@usa.net wrote:
>
>Ill take on thresh anytime .. I dont know the story about him.. but i
>have seen all his demo .. and he aint all that great.. If he wants to I
>challenge him to play against me.. He is not the warrior that you all
>people think he is ... Let see if you up for the challenge or do you
>play people that you know you can beat?
>
> [SuN]-Hunter-[TzU]
>
>If you want PLAY THRESH WHO HELL EVER YOU ARE .. I CHALLENGE YOU IN A
>DEATHMATCH..
>
>Mirc ri.gamesnet.net #clan_Sun_Tzu
>im in that channel 24/7 icq number 609098
>
>we can setup a match and see how truly of quake warrior you are
>
>P.S.
>
>Plz. people in this newsgroup dont make a big deal out this.. I just
>want to beat the shit out of this guy thresh and to prove to you all
>that he can be beaten by a regular quaker. Im not the greatest but i
>sure can beat the living hell out of thresh..
>
> Bring on the pain thresh .
Record a demo of your beating. Seriously though, Thresh is a good
player, period. I've watched a couple of his demos, and the reason
why he doesn't look so great is that he gets lots of easy kills. Like
on E1M2, Entropy was short on rockets and had only GA. Thresh is a
strategist, and has aim to back it up.
Jimmie
zh...@wmich.edu
Holy cow, somebody trash talking Thresh?! Whoever posted "Thresh
ain't all that great...I can give him the beat down" should please visit
legends2.spikes.com:29999, find just about any player there for a 1 on 1, and
get a good dose of reality.
Just remember, if you lose badly, realize that Thresh is most likely
head and shoulders above the guy who beat you.
-DB
Thibor
> : Plz. people in this newsgroup dont make a big deal out this.. I just
> : want to beat the shit out of this guy thresh and to prove to you all
> : that he can be beaten by a regular quaker. Im not the greatest but i
> : sure can beat the living hell out of thresh..
>
> : Bring on the pain thresh .
>
this
> message.
I'd agree with this last statement, but the big deal is a pretty
interesting topic. I've watched both demos from that match for the
Ferarri, and I can say that I could probably take Entropy. Thresh is a
GREAT player, but the reason why he slaughtered Entropy wasn't just because
he is a good player, but because he was BORN ON THAT MAP.
If you haven't seen Thresh's chase cam demo of that match, check it out.
He knew when and where the WHOLE match. Entropy didn't have a chance.
The funny thing is, I bet Entropy has a favorite map as well that he might
be able to take Thresh on. Who knows. Maybe Thresh has every single
player map down to an exact science. I wouldn't doubt it.
Thibor
Ed Jankovsky
hunt...@erols.com wrote:
: Ill take on thresh anytime .. I dont know the story about him.. but i
: have seen all his demo .. and he aint all that great.. If he wants to I
: challenge him to play against me.. He is not the warrior that you all
: people think he is ... Let see if you up for the challenge or do you
: play people that you know you can beat?
: [SuN]-Hunter-[TzU]
: If you want PLAY THRESH WHO HELL EVER YOU ARE .. I CHALLENGE YOU IN A
: DEATHMATCH..
Nick Darlington
Thibor <thi...@whatever.com> wrote in article
<01bc8e4a$b017b8c0$385a...@ELEPHANT.hic.net>...
[...]
> If you haven't seen Thresh's chase cam demo of that match, check it
out.
> He knew when and where the WHOLE match. Entropy didn't have a chance.
You don't have to be much better than the other player in order for this
to happen.. I've seen players who can make a player look silly, when
really, the difference in skill was not even worth categorising.
> The funny thing is, I bet Entropy has a favorite map as well that he
might
> be able to take Thresh on. Who knows. Maybe Thresh has every single
> player map down to an exact science. I wouldn't doubt it.
> Thibor
I don't know.. certainly Thresh had his eyes and ears open to more things
on that level than I normally do, but I do think I know every level like
the back of my hand, I never go into a level and feel suprised by
anything, and if it was a tourney with so much at stake, I sure would
have studied the levels in more detail. Not that Thresh is a 'nobody' or
anything, he does have a huge wad (sic) of skill in him when it comes to
1st person shooters, or else he wouldn't win the Doom tourney's too (now
and before). I wish I could play online since I can show the world how
much of a thrashing I'd give them and end all these silly debates :P (and
yes, every week, I'm also sure that I'll be the lottery winner too) ;)
Regards,
Nick
Cheng-Jih Chen
In article <01bc8e4a$b017b8c0$385a...@ELEPHANT.hic.net>,
Thibor <thi...@whatever.com> wrote:
>
>I'd agree with this last statement, but the big deal is a pretty
>interesting topic. I've watched both demos from that match for the
>Ferarri, and I can say that I could probably take Entropy. Thresh is a
>GREAT player, but the reason why he slaughtered Entropy wasn't just because
>he is a good player, but because he was BORN ON THAT MAP.
I don't know about that. I think I ran into Entroy, XP-Unholy, and a
few of the other Big Guys in Phase II of the tournament. Like, the
first day I played Phase II. This was unpleasant: I was in shock after
because my kill ratio was much, much, much worse than I would have
expected. Bad luck, basically.
I did better in later days, finding servers with bunches of deperate
newbies trying to qualify, and finished ranked around 100.
Of course, I had a stupid business trip during Phase III, and Evil
MPlayer wouldn't reschedule my match, so I never found how far I'd get
in the tournament but whatever....
Funny thing is, I think I ran into the guy who started this "I can take
Thresh" thing, somewhere in Phase I or II. The name's familiar, at
least. On a good day, _I_ can take that guy without that much of a
problem. I never ran into Thresh, though, but judging from my
unpleasant experiences with some of the others, I wouldn't have known
what hit me.
One-Eyed Jack
--
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its content and production values, until they realize they have failed
to activate the WebTV device.
Mike Johnston
>
> I'd agree with this last statement, but the big deal is a pretty
> interesting topic. I've watched both demos from that match for the
> Ferarri, and I can say that I could probably take Entropy. Thresh is a
> GREAT player, but the reason why he slaughtered Entropy wasn't just because
> he is a good player, but because he was BORN ON THAT MAP.
>
> He knew when and where the WHOLE match. Entropy didn't have a chance.
>
> be able to take Thresh on. Who knows. Maybe Thresh has every single
> player map down to an exact science. I wouldn't doubt it.
>
> Thibor
Well Thibor. Any moron can remember a Quake level. So what if Tresh can
figure out where he goes. Saying you can take Entropy is a load of sh**.
Nobody cares if you can beat him. Hell you prolly got knocked out in the
first round of Red anyway. He was the second best player in the tourney
and you werent so shut up. You dont know anything.
WendigO
You know, why don't you guys stop yammering and hop over to
legends2.spikes.com:29999 and fine someone from clan Legends to play 1 on 1
with. Choose any level. Make sure to record a demo in case you manage a
win, but I doubt it :)
--
WendigO
Nick Darlington <ne...@nickd.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<01bc8e5b$f9475120$767a...@nickd.demon.co.uk>...
Redrum
On 11 Jul 1997 13:24:02 -0700, bat...@primenet.com (Jimmie Jehl)
wrote:
>Record a demo of your beating. Seriously though, Thresh is a good
>player, period. I've watched a couple of his demos, and the reason
>why he doesn't look so great is that he gets lots of easy kills. Like
>on E1M2, Entropy was short on rockets and had only GA. Thresh is a
>strategist, and has aim to back it up.
Is Thresh a modemer? I'm asking this because I saw him on a private
DM cr mod server and his ping was pretty high. He wasn't doing well.
Well, a good LAN player is not always a good modemer anyway. I am a
CTF player so I know almost nothing about DM (crmod DM...don't ask for
stupid kill-all DM, newbies :).
I know CTF LGDs are pretty good, since we lost to them...damn.
Nick Darlington
WendigO <nos...@in.my.mailbox.com> wrote in article
<01bc8f04$3e718740$LocalHost@hidayat>...
> You know, why don't you guys stop yammering and hop over to
> legends2.spikes.com:29999 and fine someone from clan Legends to play 1
on 1
> with. Choose any level. Make sure to record a demo in case you manage a
> win, but I doubt it :)
I would.. not 'cos I believe I would win, I would just like to. However,
I can't, since even playing online to a site 1/2 mile down the road is
unplayable, so I decided to stop online playing. I try and get plenty of
LAN games going though, and when I'm in the office, I sometimes spend an
hour or so after work with a couple of other players, but til I get a
cable-modem (when my cable company knows what they are..) or ISDN (same
deal..), I'm not going to get any games in against 'named' players or
clans.
I'm pushing for a transfer where I work though, and if it goes through,
I'll end up in Cali, US., so I'll wait (without holding my breath) til
then ;)
Regards,
Nick
Philip Epstein
"Roscoe A. Sincero" <leg...@keg.zymurgy.org> wrote:
>Apparently, Xoleras played only 1 map against Thresh, began to brag that
>he beat Thresh (10-7) and started accusing him of cheating just because
Hey I've beaten Xoleras on map 7 (55-54 I think) so I guess I'm better
than Thresh too! :)
Phil Epstein
Philip Epstein
red...@deathstar.net (Redrum) wrote:
>Is Thresh a modemer? I'm asking this because I saw him on a private
>DM cr mod server and his ping was pretty high. He wasn't doing well.
As far as I know he plays on both. Someone told me a story about him
apparently cheating (ping-spoofing) to play in some modem clan game.
Supposedly he had the exact same IP on modem as he did when he was an
LPB. Of course I have about let me see, no proof whatsoever of this
happening.
>Well, a good LAN player is not always a good modemer anyway. I am a
So true. There's definitely an adjustment that needs to be made when
you go from one connection speed to the other. Your reflexes,
prediction, etc... all needs to be tweaked as it were.
>I know CTF LGDs are pretty good, since we lost to them...damn.
Yeah but look at those pings! And why'd you play them on a west-coast
server!?
Phil Epstein
Hi Redrum! :) It's me, your favorite vampire :0
Jimmie Jehl
p...@po.cwru.edu (Philip Epstein) wrote:
People have off days. There are dozens of people that have beaten
Xoleras. It's just that if you play X 10 times, he'll win 9 of them.
Although, if I beat Xoleras or Thresh I'd be braggin too!
Jimmie
Adam Williamson
On Sun, 13 Jul 1997 06:45:50 GMT, red...@deathstar.net (Redrum) wrote:
>On 11 Jul 1997 13:24:02 -0700, bat...@primenet.com (Jimmie Jehl)
>wrote:
>
>>Record a demo of your beating. Seriously though, Thresh is a good
>>player, period. I've watched a couple of his demos, and the reason
>>why he doesn't look so great is that he gets lots of easy kills. Like
>>on E1M2, Entropy was short on rockets and had only GA. Thresh is a
>>strategist, and has aim to back it up.
>
>Is Thresh a modemer? I'm asking this because I saw him on a private
>DM cr mod server and his ping was pretty high. He wasn't doing well.
>Well, a good LAN player is not always a good modemer anyway. I am a
>CTF player so I know almost nothing about DM (crmod DM...don't ask for
>stupid kill-all DM, newbies :).
>
Heh...it was probably a faker. Don't go anything by nick - I can
change my nick to Thresh, Entropy9, Sujoy, whatever...doesn't mean I
am them :). I'm pretty sure Thresh at least has access to a high-speed
line, otherwise he wouldn't have stood a whelk's chance in a supernova
of getting through the MPlayer rounds...
Adam Williamson
On 14 Jul 1997 16:15:01 -0700, bat...@primenet.com (Jimmie Jehl)
wrote:
>p...@po.cwru.edu (Philip Epstein) wrote:
True...and to Phil, have you got a demo of that? Or is it at Phook's?
Sounds like a good game...
Adam Williamson
On 14 Jul 1997 16:15:01 -0700, bat...@primenet.com (Jimmie Jehl)
wrote:
>People have off days. There are dozens of people that have beaten
>Xoleras. It's just that if you play X 10 times, he'll win 9 of them.
>Although, if I beat Xoleras or Thresh I'd be braggin too!
>
Oh, and I forgot...anyone want a demo of rj getting smeared by
Xoleras? :). www.rockisland.com/~phook. Go to Doom2, lmps, and get
rj-xol.zip.
Redrum
On Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:44:07 GMT, ad...@spamfree.org (Adam Williamson)
wrote:
>
>On Sun, 13 Jul 1997 06:45:50 GMT, red...@deathstar.net (Redrum) wrote:
>
>>On 11 Jul 1997 13:24:02 -0700, bat...@primenet.com (Jimmie Jehl)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Record a demo of your beating. Seriously though, Thresh is a good
>>>player, period. I've watched a couple of his demos, and the reason
>>>why he doesn't look so great is that he gets lots of easy kills. Like
>>>on E1M2, Entropy was short on rockets and had only GA. Thresh is a
>>>strategist, and has aim to back it up.
>>
>>Is Thresh a modemer? I'm asking this because I saw him on a private
>>DM cr mod server and his ping was pretty high. He wasn't doing well.
>>Well, a good LAN player is not always a good modemer anyway. I am a
>>CTF player so I know almost nothing about DM (crmod DM...don't ask for
>>stupid kill-all DM, newbies :).
>>
>Heh...it was probably a faker. Don't go anything by nick - I can
>change my nick to Thresh, Entropy9, Sujoy, whatever...doesn't mean I
>am them :). I'm pretty sure Thresh at least has access to a high-speed
>line, otherwise he wouldn't have stood a whelk's chance in a supernova
>of getting through the MPlayer rounds...
LGD has name script. Of course, once can go and spend time creating a
exact same copy of name but why does he want to? Besides, it was a
private port.
Philip Epstein
ad...@spamfree.org (Adam Williamson) wrote:
>True...and to Phil, have you got a demo of that? Or is it at Phook's?
>Sounds like a good game...
Ack sorry this was like hmmm 2 years ago maybe? I've been through too
many hard drives for a demo to survive this long :) Besides we never
did a demo of it, I made VERY few doom demos. Perhaps because just
getting a modem game working was a chore sometimes and I didn't feel
like trying to record a demo which might muck it up.
Phil Epstein
Philip Epstein
bat...@primenet.com (Jimmie Jehl) wrote:
>People have off days. There are dozens of people that have beaten
>Xoleras. It's just that if you play X 10 times, he'll win 9 of them.
>Although, if I beat Xoleras or Thresh I'd be braggin too!
Well since I've never played X 10 times, I can't comment :) But who's
to say when he beat me I wasn't having an off day? :)
Phil Epstein
Jimmie Jehl
p...@po.cwru.edu (Philip Epstein) wrote:
So ture... Then again X (I think that's kinda a dumb name, he's
really called X now) has name recongnition behind it. So saying, "I
lost to Xoleras because I was having an off day!" doesn't carry very
far. Xoleras is a good quake player also. He does some psycho stuff
sometimes. You should play him. Here is a website to the servers
that he plays the most. I'll warn you though, we get pings <180.
Adam Williamson
On Thu, 17 Jul 1997 08:57:18 GMT, p...@po.cwru.edu (Philip Epstein)
wrote:
True...I tend to forget the luxuries of home networks :). I just
thought you might've recorded it and put it on one of the well-known
demo sites...
(Have you ever seen Xol playing any other good player on MAP01? Most
boring bloody matches on Earth, worse than a one-on-one on DM2...just
an hour long orgy of paranoid rocket/plasma shots down half-glimpsed
corridors :>)
Philip Epstein
bat...@primenet.com (Jimmie Jehl) wrote:
>So ture... Then again X (I think that's kinda a dumb name, he's
>really called X now) has name recongnition behind it. So saying, "I
>lost to Xoleras because I was having an off day!" doesn't carry very
>far. Xoleras is a good quake player also. He does some psycho stuff
Well I have name recognition too (at least in CTF) :)
>sometimes. You should play him. Here is a website to the servers
>that he plays the most. I'll warn you though, we get pings <180.
Heh I warn you I get pings < 100 usually :)
Phil Epstein
Philip Epstein
ad...@spamfree.org (Adam Williamson) wrote:
>(Have you ever seen Xol playing any other good player on MAP01? Most
>boring bloody matches on Earth, worse than a one-on-one on DM2...just
>an hour long orgy of paranoid rocket/plasma shots down half-glimpsed
>corridors :>)
Ugh I hated playing 1 on 1 on Map01. It so often turned into a pussy
fight. One player waits at the plasma gun for the other guy to come
and get him. The other guy waits by Dbl barrel for the guy at plasma
to come out. WOW, WHAT FUN. I tended to lose those games simply
because I didn't feel like setting up camp anywhere. The point of
playing was to have fun and it's not fun to sit there and wait 5
minutes for a single shot (not EVEN a frag).
Phil Epstein
Jimmie Jehl
ad...@spamfree.org (Adam Williamson) wrote:
>(Have you ever seen Xol playing any other good player on MAP01? Most
>boring bloody matches on Earth, worse than a one-on-one on DM2...just
>an hour long orgy of paranoid rocket/plasma shots down half-glimpsed
>corridors :>)
>--
>Adam Williamson
>Real Mail: adam "at" scss.demon.co.uk
>88.3% of statistics are made up on the spot.
Oh, you're forgetting the BFG tricks... I've played against Xol on
map01. I probably got killed by one of his BFG shots 4 times by bad
respawns. I'm more of a map7 guy anyway.
Jimmie