Matrox VESA modes with quake
Sunny Woo
I just bought a brand new Matrox and I can't get VESA 2.0 working right
for Quake. I'm using Matrox's 2.0 bios but it doesn't bring me into
anything higher than video mode 10. I also tried using Scitech's Display
Doctor, but Univbe doesn't help. It's not just Quake that doesn't work,
anything that needs Vesa 2.0 craps out on me. Should I return the Matrox
and wait for a ET6000 card or is there something I could do?
--
Richard Fecteau - Reflection X
Your card sounds defective. My Millenium with the 2.0 bios works just
fine with Quake.
Rich
Chris Felix
Mine works fine, too. Get SVGA if I want it. Try to get the most current
drivers. Display doctor didn't work for me. The Millennium has built-in
support for those modes.
Trev
On Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:04:20 -0400, Richard Fecteau - Reflection X <rich.f...@analog.com> wrote:
>Sunny Woo wrote:
>>
>> I just bought a brand new Matrox and I can't get VESA 2.0 working right
>> for Quake. I'm using Matrox's 2.0 bios but it doesn't bring me into
>> anything higher than video mode 10. I also tried using Scitech's Display
>> Doctor, but Univbe doesn't help. It's not just Quake that doesn't work,
>> anything that needs Vesa 2.0 craps out on me. Should I return the Matrox
>> and wait for a ET6000 card or is there something I could do?
>>
>> --
>
>Your card sounds defective. My Millenium with the 2.0 bios works just
>fine with Quake.
>
I ran into a similar problem but this might solve it for you.
1. Did you preset a default resolution in quake with your old videocard?
if yes, you must go into the quake config.cfg under id1 and set the vid defaultmode back to 1
Now run quake and go to the options screen
You should see many video choices now instead of the game crashing or just a few
2. Did you turn on 3d modes on your video card?
I don't know if this makes any difference but I turned mine on.
Hope this helps
By the way, You don't need Univbe anymore with Matrox Millinium
It already has vesa 2.0, so shut Univbe down!
Good luck, let me know if nay of theis helped
Trev
Sunny Woo
Trev (trev...@sfo.com) wrote:
It helped alright. Thanks!
: Trev
--
Yes solution #1 worked. I forced what appears to be some unknown
mode for the Matrox that was a left over from my former video card.
Although I still can't get the Matrox to work with other Vesa 2.0 apps.
Quake works fine though and for now that'll keep me satisfied.
How do you turn on 3D modes for the card? Is it set from Windows
95 or do I use that MGASET command line utility?
john perkins
Sunny Woo wrote:
>
> Trev (trev...@sfo.com) wrote:
> : On Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:04:20 -0400, Richard Fecteau - Reflection X <rich.f...@analog.com> wrote:
>
> : >Sunny Woo wrote:
> : >>
> : >> I just bought a brand new Matrox and I can't get VESA 2.0 working right
> : >> for Quake. I'm using Matrox's 2.0 bios but it doesn't bring me into
> : >> anything higher than video mode 10. I also tried using Scitech's Display
> : >> Doctor, but Univbe doesn't help. It's not just Quake that doesn't work,
> : >> anything that needs Vesa 2.0 craps out on me. Should I return the Matrox
> : >> and wait for a ET6000 card or is there something I could do?
> : >>
Run the setup program from DOS...this will create an .inf file.
Then run VBETSR followed by VBESETUP...this will get your VESA modes
working. You have to run both VBETSR and VBESTEUP everytime you want to
use them so put them in your DOS autoexec.bat. For windows.... include
them in your PIF's and/or add or create an autoexec.bat for windows.
hope this helps...
jper...@direct.ca (contact me if you feel the need)
Rick Bastedo
d wrote:
>
> On 16 Aug 1996 00:11:20 GMT, sw...@nntp.best.com (Sunny Woo) wrote:
>
> >: By the way, You don't need Univbe anymore with Matrox Millinium
> >: It already has vesa 2.0, so shut Univbe down!
> >
> matrox doesnt support the lower res vesa modes......(and the most
> playable ones...)
> and from all i hear univibe 52 is a touch faster...too......
Actually, while Sci Tech DIsplay Doctor (Univbe) recognizes the matrox
chipset, it DOES NOT support it. I have registered it and then found out
the bad news. I get 24 FPS without it, and 22 FPS with it. Also, when
SDD is running I lose the upper VESA modes that are built into the
Matrox bios, 640 X 400 up to 1600 X 1200, and Quake is just barely
playable for me at 640 X 400 VESA mode, 12 FPS. I have a P100, 64 Meg
EDO, Matrox. I actually get better FPS in this mode than in Vid_mode 10.
Rick
http://www.gygabite.com/gameroom
Millenium.
Keith Calsyn
>> and from all i hear univibe 52 is a touch faster...too......
>Actually, while Sci Tech DIsplay Doctor (Univbe) recognizes the matrox
>chipset, it DOES NOT support it. I have registered it and then found out
>the bad news. I get 24 FPS without it, and 22 FPS with it. Also, when
>SDD is running I lose the upper VESA modes that are built into the
>Matrox bios, 640 X 400 up to 1600 X 1200, and Quake is just barely
>playable for me at 640 X 400 VESA mode, 12 FPS. I have a P100, 64 Meg
>EDO, Matrox. I actually get better FPS in this mode than in Vid_mode 10.
>
>Rick
>http://www.gygabite.com/gameroom
>Millenium.
Someone in another news group mentioned that SDD 5.3 was out and
mentioned something about Matrox support. You can find out the details
at http://www.scitechsoft.com. Here is a snippet from that page:
List of chips updated since version 5.2
The following is a list of most of the chips that have updated support
since the 5.2 release of SciTech Display Doctor.
ARK Logic ARK2000PV
ATI Technologies Mach64-CT/VT
Chips & Technologies 65545/6/8 LCD
Cirrus Logic CL-GD7541/42/43/48 LCD
Matrox MGA Storm (Millenium)
NeoMagic NM2070 LCD
Number Nine Imagine 128 series I & II
NVidia NV1, SGS Thompson STG2000 (Diamond Edge 3D)
S3 Vision868/968, Trio64/64V+, Virge
Sierra Falcon/64
Trident 9420, 9660/80
Tseng Labs ET6000
--Keith
Desslock
> --
> I couldn't get any lower VESA levels with my Millenium even with univbe
> (display doctor 5.2) - there was an extremely minor performance gain,
> but since univbe is no longer shareware, I wasn't going to drop an extra
> $50+ (Canadian) for 1 or 2 fps on -some- resolutions.
-----------------------
I just downloaded Display Doctor 5.3 to see if it improved my frame rate
more than its predecessor. I have a 2 meg Millenium, pentium166 w/32
megs EDO. - DD5.3 basically improved zip - it does introduce some lower
res VESA vid modes, but the only one that I could see having some value
was the 512x384 (the performance on the low res vesa modes was not
noticably different than their respective non-vesa equivalents) And in
fact, having checked my notes, my earlier post was incorrect - DD5.3 or
5.2 didn't improve -any- resolution by as much as even 1 fps (the
biggest gain I achieved was about 0.7)
Conclusion - it doesn't seem worth the purchase for millenium owners, at
least not to use Quake.
--
Desslock
d wrote:
>
> On 16 Aug 1996 00:11:20 GMT, sw...@nntp.best.com (Sunny Woo) wrote:
>
> >: By the way, You don't need Univbe anymore with Matrox Millinium
> >: It already has vesa 2.0, so shut Univbe down!
> >
> well....
> matrox doesnt support the lower res vesa modes......(and the most
> playable ones...)
--
Rick Bastedo
modes work on my Matrox Millenium now. I also have the 500 (something)
by 300 (something) mode. Very COOL.
Ville Rindell
On Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:41:26 -0700, Rick Bastedo
<rbas...@gygabite.com> wrote:
>Desslock wrote:
>> > >: By the way, You don't need Univbe anymore with Matrox Millinium
>> > >: It already has vesa 2.0, so shut Univbe down!
>> > well....
>> > matrox doesnt support the lower res vesa modes......(and the most
>> > playable ones...)
>> > and from all i hear univibe 52 is a touch faster...too......
>> (display doctor 5.2) - there was an extremely minor performance gain,
>> but since univbe is no longer shareware, I wasn't going to drop an extra
>> $50+ (Canadian) for 1 or 2 fps on -some- resolutions.
>I upgraded my registered Univbe to SDD 5.3 yesterday, and all the vesa
>modes work on my Matrox Millenium now. I also have the 500 (something)
>by 300 (something) mode. Very COOL.
Is 500x300 cool ? I have Matrox Mille with 2 mb and it runs easily up
to vid_mode 12 which is 640x480 (I use that all the time)! Is that
more cool ?
Ville
* Ville Rindell
* vil...@sci.fi
* Ihave...@oneworld.pp.sci.fi
* Helsinki Finland
Lutz Heinrichs
>>> "desslock" == Desslock <dess...@interlog.com> writes:
>> --
>> I couldn't get any lower VESA levels with my Millenium even with univbe
>> (display doctor 5.2) - there was an extremely minor performance gain,
>> but since univbe is no longer shareware, I wasn't going to drop an extra
>> $50+ (Canadian) for 1 or 2 fps on -some- resolutions.
desslock> -----------------------
desslock> I just downloaded Display Doctor 5.3 to see if it improved my frame rate
desslock> more than its predecessor. I have a 2 meg Millenium, pentium166 w/32
desslock> megs EDO. - DD5.3 basically improved zip - it does introduce some lower
desslock> res VESA vid modes, but the only one that I could see having some value
desslock> was the 512x384 (the performance on the low res vesa modes was not
desslock> noticably different than their respective non-vesa equivalents) And in
desslock> fact, having checked my notes, my earlier post was incorrect - DD5.3 or
desslock> 5.2 didn't improve -any- resolution by as much as even 1 fps (the
desslock> biggest gain I achieved was about 0.7)
desslock> Conclusion - it doesn't seem worth the purchase for millenium owners, at
desslock> least not to use Quake.
desslock> --
I agree 100%.
Tested that thing (DD 5.3) on my Matrox Millennium 4MB and no improvement
at all. Tried some switches of that config program (forgot the name) and
checked my timerefresh and in most cases the Matrox Bios is at least par if
not better so... maybe the guys at SciTechSoft did a good job - no doubt -
but the guys at Matrox did a better job with their Bios.
And.. who wants to shell out bucks for some more vid modes ? Nah not me I
better save for one of the next generation 3D accelerators (yech !).
Lutz.
--
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Aachen, Germany voice...: +49 2408 5769
fax.....: +49 2408 5544
... figure out what sucks, then don't do it
Desslock
Lutz Heinrichs wrote:
>
> I agree 100%.
Hey, thanks for the backup
> but the guys at Matrox did a better job with their Bios.
> And.. who wants to shell out bucks for some more vid modes ? Nah not me I
> better save for one of the next generation 3D accelerators (yech !).
>
> Lutz.
I agree - the Orchid Voodoo board looks like it will nicely complement
our Matrox Millenium cards - hoping there will be Quake port.
Lutz Heinrichs
>>> "desslock" == Desslock <dess...@interlog.com> writes:
desslock> Lutz Heinrichs wrote:
>>
>> I agree 100%.
desslock> Hey, thanks for the backup
yer welcome ;)
>> but the guys at Matrox did a better job with their Bios.
>> And.. who wants to shell out bucks for some more vid modes ? Nah not me I
>> better save for one of the next generation 3D accelerators (yech !).
>>
>> Lutz.
desslock> I agree - the Orchid Voodoo board looks like it will nicely complement
desslock> our Matrox Millenium cards - hoping there will be Quake port.
I guess so.
The chip is very fast and has the advantage over all cards I saw till now
(including Verite) that you can just add it to your card.
The Verite has built-in VGA so this gonna suck.
My question is:
Does anyone know if adding the Vodoo will lower refresh rates or image
quality because the signal goes from the Millennium to the Vodoo and then
to the monitor ?
I made bad experiences with the old Video Blaster (creative) that limited
the refresh rates dramatically because it has a crappy RAMDAC and I could
only get 60 Hz at 1024*768.. love the 80 (or more) of my Millennium,
though. :)
Any input appreciated
Lutz
Eric T. Busch
According to an Orchid rep that frequents the
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video newsgroup, their Righteous3D will in no way
effect the pass through 2D.
--
Eric T. Busch <ebu...@emory.edu>
Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences
Lutz Heinrichs <hans...@fireball.tng.oche.de> wrote in article
<hansmuffoh...@fireball.tng.oche.de>...
Richard Fecteau - Reflection X
Desslock wrote:
>
> Lutz Heinrichs wrote:
> >
>
> > I agree 100%.
>
>
> > And.. who wants to shell out bucks for some more vid modes ? Nah not me I
> > better save for one of the next generation 3D accelerators (yech !).
> >
> > Lutz.
>
You and me both.
Rich
(Happy Millenium owner, and possible Righteous 3D owner in future)