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Grue
Mike Cinpinski <crow...@execpc.com> wrote:
>When will it be available in stores?
>--
Last date I heard was August 30. This will be a CD with the shareware
at "minimal" cost (about $10?). It will have the full version
encrypted on it. You call up the company to order the full version,
and they'll give you the decryption key.
Grue
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John Edwards
rgoo...@ro.com (Grue) wrote:
>Mike Cinpinski <crow...@execpc.com> wrote:
>>When will it be available in stores?
>>--
>Last date I heard was August 30. This will be a CD with the shareware
>at "minimal" cost (about $10?). It will have the full version
>encrypted on it. You call up the company to order the full version,
>and they'll give you the decryption key.
for 40$ which is a total of 50$ spent. That's equal to the
price you pay to have them ship you a CD.
Note: You can decrypt the store bought CD only *ONCE*
so you better have about 15 to 20 disks to back it up to
after you have decrypted it.
The Lord Leto II
Are you sure about this? What if you have a bad sector on your
hard drive or upgrade it? What if you get a new computer? What
if you delete the original files accidentally?
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In article <4vkhft$4...@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> edwa...@mail.dec.com (John
Edwards) writes:
>Note: You can decrypt the store bought CD only *ONCE*
>so you better have about 15 to 20 disks to back it up to
>after you have decrypted it.
And the CD would record that you already decrypted it... how? It's CD
*ROM*, the RO meaning Read Only, you know. Or maybe the CD-ROM drive will
be instructed to burn a hole with its laser through the CD so you could
never use it again.
-John :)
W. Rosgen
> >Note: You can decrypt the store bought CD only *ONCE*
> >so you better have about 15 to 20 disks to back it up to
> >after you have decrypted it.
How can you only do it once?
You can't write to the CD, the only way I could think of is that it
works on the date. (and then you could play with your system clock)
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fOOTCORN
John Alderson wrote:
>
> In article <4vkhft$4...@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> edwa...@mail.dec.com (John
> Edwards) writes:
> >so you better have about 15 to 20 disks to back it up to
> >after you have decrypted it.
>
> *ROM*, the RO meaning Read Only, you know. Or maybe the CD-ROM drive will
> be instructed to burn a hole with its laser through the CD so you could
> never use it again.
>
> -John :)
I just bought the SW CD at lunch today and called id to get the magic
number so's I can install the whole registered version once I get home
from work. It turns out they can only give you the number as you're in
front of the computer ready to type it in because "the encryption number
changes every 5 minutes." They also ask for the "Source Code" printed
on the back of the CD package. My guess is that they give you a number
that only works during a certain time of day with your "source code."
It got me to thinking that you should right down the time that id gives
you the code so you could use it whenever your computer thought that was
the time, but I'm just guessing. The long and short is that the number
expires, and I guess that's why you can only use it once and you
shouldn't call for the number until the exact moment you're ready for
it.
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Oskar Sandberg
>And the CD would record that you already decrypted it... how? It's CD
>*ROM*, the RO meaning Read Only, you know. Or maybe the CD-ROM drive will
>be instructed to burn a hole with its laser through the CD so you could
>never use it again.
The decryption code changes for every time you run the install
program, to install again, you have to call id again. sigh.
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Owen Mackwood
> >Note: You can decrypt the store bought CD only *ONCE*
> >so you better have about 15 to 20 disks to back it up to
> >after you have decrypted it.
>
> *ROM*, the RO meaning Read Only, you know. Or maybe the CD-ROM drive
will
> be instructed to burn a hole with its laser through the CD so you could
> never use it again.
actually, the reason why you can't unencrypt again is because each time you
do it generates a random code, and you call id, and they give you the
unlock code for that specific random code. it can only be done once with
the first code.
mr_maker
fuck art, LETS KILL
John Corbin
> The decryption code changes for every time you run the install
> program, to install again, you have to call id again. sigh.
>
Or you can do like id says and BACKUP the Quake5.exe file in the idstuff
directory so that you DONT have to call again to get the decryption
#....The 5 minute thing is real....i tried mine a second time about 7
minutes later just to see and it appeared to have worked (Congrats message)
but no file was transferred to the hard drive...Seems that id uses a temp
file and then when the actual decrypt key is entered it checks to be sure
the hWnd of the program issuing the write command is really Qstart and then
creates the Quake file (My theory only, no scientific
evidence.)....probably not too hard to crack....I payed for mine but I'm
sure many wont cause of the lack of thought for security put into the
install routines....just my .02$
Tom Davidson
Oskar Sandberg wrote:
>
> On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:26:02 GMT, alde...@internet.com (John
> Alderson) wrote:
>
> >*ROM*, the RO meaning Read Only, you know. Or maybe the CD-ROM drive will
> >be instructed to burn a hole with its laser through the CD so you could
> >never use it again.
>
> program, to install again, you have to call id again. sigh.
>
that is produced when you enter your unlock code. Seems to me
a better solution is to order the registered CD direct from
Id, that whay you dont have to worry about loosing a 12 disk
floppy archive of your decrypted .EXE file that you paid $45 for,
on the other hand if you trash your Registered CD, you're out of
luck also. You could send it back to Id though for a new one. I
dont think they take 20 floppies and a note saying 'It was registered,
really...'
Those of you who have the registered disk from Id, how is the
validation handled? do they give you an unlock code? This code
is always good for your CD, right? I'd assume that the CD's are not
unique, all of them are stamped from the same die, and have the same
data on them.
It also seems cheaper to buy the Registered CD from Id, its $50.
The S.W. CD is $10 and the registration Fee is $45 + the disks that
you have to use to back up your install .EXE .
It will be interesting to see how long it takes the Crackers to break
the validation scheme. This one is pretty tricky. A real challenge to
prove their skills. Get Fame and .. well, no fortune in that biz.
My opinion, they never crack the internet play module, too hard to
send out snoop codes from the server back to Id for validation.
Philip Dobrikin
Tom Davidson <to...@hyperweb.com> wrote:
Actually they must have 2 or 3 versions
The European full version has NO encryptrion. Put in the CD type
install, play. I don't know wether there is a difference between the
N.A and European CD
Rick Ryan
Philip Dobrikin wrote:
>
> Tom Davidson <to...@hyperweb.com> wrote:
>
> >Oskar Sandberg wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:26:02 GMT, alde...@internet.com (John
> >> Alderson) wrote:
> >>
> >> >And the CD would record that you already decrypted it... how? It's CD
> >> >*ROM*, the RO meaning Read Only, you know. Or maybe the CD-ROM drive will
> >> >be instructed to burn a hole with its laser through the CD so you could
> >> >never use it again.
> >>
> >> The decryption code changes for every time you run the install
> >> program, to install again, you have to call id again. sigh.
> >>
> >
> >They do mention that you can save the Self Extracting Quake.exe
> >that is produced when you enter your unlock code. Seems to me
> >a better solution is to order the registered CD direct from
> >Id, that whay you dont have to worry about loosing a 12 disk
> >floppy archive of your decrypted .EXE file that you paid $45 for,
> >on the other hand if you trash your Registered CD, you're out of
> >luck also. You could send it back to Id though for a new one. I
> >dont think they take 20 floppies and a note saying 'It was registered,
Or you can do as I did...Copy the .exe file to ***1*** zip disk. Even
after you unlock it and get the .exe, id will sell you another Reg CD
for $10.00 if your afraid to loose your backup.
Owen Mackwood
Philip Dobrikin <pdob...@direct.ca> wrote in article
<50ef1c$4...@aphex.direct.ca>...
> Tom Davidson <to...@hyperweb.com> wrote:
>
> >Oskar Sandberg wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:26:02 GMT, alde...@internet.com (John
> >> Alderson) wrote:
> >>
> >> >And the CD would record that you already decrypted it... how? It's
CD
> >> >*ROM*, the RO meaning Read Only, you know. Or maybe the CD-ROM drive
will
> >> >be instructed to burn a hole with its laser through the CD so you
could
> >> >never use it again.
> >>
> >> The decryption code changes for every time you run the install
> >> program, to install again, you have to call id again. sigh.
> >>
> >
> >They do mention that you can save the Self Extracting Quake.exe
> >that is produced when you enter your unlock code. Seems to me
> >a better solution is to order the registered CD direct from
> >Id, that whay you dont have to worry about loosing a 12 disk
> >floppy archive of your decrypted .EXE file that you paid $45 for,
> >on the other hand if you trash your Registered CD, you're out of
> >luck also. You could send it back to Id though for a new one. I
> >dont think they take 20 floppies and a note saying 'It was registered,
> >Those of you who have the registered disk from Id, how is the
> >validation handled? do they give you an unlock code? This code
> >is always good for your CD, right? I'd assume that the CD's are not
> >unique, all of them are stamped from the same die, and have the same
> >data on them.
> >It also seems cheaper to buy the Registered CD from Id, its $50.
> >The S.W. CD is $10 and the registration Fee is $45 + the disks that
> >you have to use to back up your install .EXE .
I thought you guys who are griping about the encryption scheme might want
to read an email i got from Tim Willits of id. Read on:
--start quote
/You wrote:
/> Hi,
/>
/> I just bought the quake sw CD from CompUSA, and was looking forward
/> to registering it. but when i started the process i noticed that it
/> says that i will have to buy it again if i want to re-install it.
/> this stopped me from registering.
/
/No, that's not true, when you buy it your name and address are stored and
you can /call and get it un-locked again if you delete it or if you buy a
new computer or /something. You really should just have them send you the
registered disk anyway.
/
/---
/Tim Willits: twil...@idsoftware.com
/Id Software, inc.
/
/Check out the Raven Doom II Pwads Home Page at:
/http://www.umn.edu/nlhome/m206/chasa001/raven/raven.html
/---
--end quote
So basically the thing about backing up the .exe is simply so that if you
lose the data you can restore it without calling id.
Michael Sims
The Lord Leto II <T9...@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU> wrote:
>>Note: You can decrypt the store bought CD only *ONCE*
>>so you better have about 15 to 20 disks to back it up to
>>after you have decrypted it.
>Are you sure about this?
I can verify that this is the case. I unlocked my copy last night. I
opted to pay $10 extra dollars to have them send me the full unlocked
CD as well. That way I don't have to wait to play it but I can still
get a reliable copy. I know it's a bit of a ripoff, but as soon as I
get the full CD, I'm returning the shareware for a refund.
>What if you have a bad sector on your
>hard drive or upgrade it? What if you get a new computer? What
>if you delete the original files accidentally?
Then you have to call ID GAMES technical support and let them verify
that you have payed, and then they will give you another unlock code.
Kinda crappy marketing technique IMHO. It was an experiment, and I
think it failed.
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Michael Sims
phs...@teclink.net
(aka Ford in Quake)
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Anthony Edward Wesley
fOOTCORN <squ...@ns.net> writes:
>I just bought the SW CD at lunch today and called id to get the magic
>number so's I can install the whole registered version once I get home
>from work. It turns out they can only give you the number as you're in
>front of the computer ready to type it in because "the encryption number
>changes every 5 minutes." They also ask for the "Source Code" printed
>on the back of the CD package. My guess is that they give you a number
>that only works during a certain time of day with your "source code."
>It got me to thinking that you should right down the time that id gives
>you the code so you could use it whenever your computer thought that was
>the time, but I'm just guessing. The long and short is that the number
It's likely a bit more convoluted than that - I would guess that the time
key is something like the standard UNIX time (number of seconds elapsed
since Jan 1st 1970) with 300 seconds granularity.
Still, just record the exact time and date for which the code was issued
and you can always set the computers clock back to then whenever you want
to re-install.
Hmm, makes me wonder what happens if you have your clock set wrong? I
would guess that they ask you on the phone for some information which
will tell them what your computers time/date is currently set to.
Does this sound plausible ?
Anthony
Owen Mackwood
Michael Sims <phs...@teclink.net> wrote in article
<50ieef$a...@nntp2.backbone.olemiss.edu>...
> The Lord Leto II <T9...@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU> wrote:
>
> >>Note: You can decrypt the store bought CD only *ONCE*
> >>so you better have about 15 to 20 disks to back it up to
> >>after you have decrypted it.
>
> >Are you sure about this?
>
> I can verify that this is the case. I unlocked my copy last night. I
> opted to pay $10 extra dollars to have them send me the full unlocked
> CD as well. That way I don't have to wait to play it but I can still
> get a reliable copy. I know it's a bit of a ripoff, but as soon as I
> get the full CD, I'm returning the shareware for a refund.
>
> >What if you have a bad sector on your
> >hard drive or upgrade it? What if you get a new computer? What
> >if you delete the original files accidentally?
>
> Then you have to call ID GAMES technical support and let them verify
> that you have payed, and then they will give you another unlock code.
> Kinda crappy marketing technique IMHO. It was an experiment, and I
> think it failed.
yourselves, let me explain it to you. Everyone here has played SW quake
downloaded off the internet right?? Well, you're not supposed to go and
buy the SW CD from the store, you should order it directly from id. The
reason for the CD is so that all those lamers out there who have never
heard of Quake, or don't have internet access (those two must be
synonymous...) can try Quake without springing for the $45 dollar full
version. It's kinda like DN3D's SW copy found in stores, but wait! this is
better. If you really like the SW, you don't have to wait for the full
version to come in the mail, it's right there on the CD for you to
unlock!!! What an amazing concept!!!
I personally think this is a great idea, and all you people complaining
should shut up and buy Quake directly from id if you don't like the
encryption scheme.
Chris Clarke
"Owen Mackwood" <owen_m...@eee.org> wrote:
> You guys... Think about this for a second. OK, now that you have hurt
>yourselves, let me explain it to you. Everyone here has played SW quake
>downloaded off the internet right?? Well, you're not supposed to go and
>buy the SW CD from the store, you should order it directly from id. The
>reason for the CD is so that all those lamers out there who have never
>heard of Quake, or don't have internet access (those two must be
>synonymous...) can try Quake without springing for the $45 dollar full
>version. It's kinda like DN3D's SW copy found in stores, but wait! this is
>better. If you really like the SW, you don't have to wait for the full
>version to come in the mail, it's right there on the CD for you to
>unlock!!! What an amazing concept!!!
>I personally think this is a great idea, and all you people complaining
>should shut up and buy Quake directly from id if you don't like the
>encryption scheme.
Well, it might be a great idea if you live in the US, but:
(1) I have to worry about it clearing our customs. You have no
idea how fickle our customs is.
(2) I have to pay the exorbinant exchange rate the credit card people
extort.
(3) I have to wait 3 weeks for shipping (assuming (1) goes smoothly)
BTW, on a good exchange rate (ie better than credit card), $45 US
works out to $65 CDN (the price in the stores of most games) PLUS S&H.
So not only am I going through all this shit, but I'm expected to pay
more than I would have normally?!
I'm really expected to be happy to do this, rather than walk across
the street to one of the two computer stores I live beside and buy it,
because id wants to bypass the middle man and make pure profit off the
$45 US?
I supported the scheme when I thought they would also be shipping full
versions to the stores, so I could buy the full version or, if I
wanted, buy the shareware and then upgrade.
If they are going to make me jump through these hoops, I'm (once
again), seriously considering saying "fuck them". Chances are I will
go to EB and buy the imported version. Sounds like EB cares a bit
more about their customers than id does. All I can hope is that the
imported versions bypass most of id's profit, so that id isn't seeing
money from me.
Chris.
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Chris Clarke
"Owen Mackwood" <owen_m...@eee.org> wrote:
It sounds like id is changing their story somewhat -- this conflicts
with their offer to ship you a copy for _only_ $10 (sarcasm here btw)
so that you don't have to buy it again if you have problems.
Maybe they realized the pr nightmare they were getting themselves
into?
Matthew Berryman
Hi All,
Owen Mackwood wrote:
>
> > >Note: You can decrypt the store bought CD only *ONCE*
> > >so you better have about 15 to 20 disks to back it up to
> > >after you have decrypted it.
> >
> > *ROM*, the RO meaning Read Only, you know. Or maybe the CD-ROM drive
> will
> > be instructed to burn a hole with its laser through the CD so you could
> > never use it again.
>
> do it generates a random code, and you call id, and they give you the
> unlock code for that specific random code. it can only be done once with
> the first code.
be installed hundereds of times, if not thousands before the CD-ROM
bites the dust (literally and figuratively)?
Matt.