Bobby Fischer's real father died in Washington State, not Washington, DC.
Sam Sloan
County, Washington and who worked on the Atomic Bomb project there. He
developed the A-Bomb that was dropped on Nagasaki.
http://www.atomicmuseum.com/tour/mp5.cfm
http://www.atomicheritage.org/hanford.htm
This was a top-secret facility. He died in 1951 or 1952. It has been
reported that he died in Washington DC. I believe that this is a
mistake. No obituary has been published and there is no record of a
person by that name dying in Washington DC. I believe that Paul
Nemenyi actually died in Hanford, Washington.
Paul Nemenyi was a professor of mathematics at State College of
Washington.
It was recently discovered that Paul Nemenyi was the real father of
World Chess Champion Bobby Fischer.
Can anybody please find an obituary of Paul Nemenyi or any record of
his death in Hanford, Washington? As this was a top secret facility
his death itself might have been kept secret.
Sam Sloan
Liam Too
> It was recently discovered that Paul Nemenyi was the real father of
> World Chess Champion Bobby Fischer.
Discovered by whom? Phylly Inquirer, Rene Chun and Tim Krabbe? They're
known to make things up. It's nowhere to be found even in the FBI
files. Bobby said that his father was Gerhardt Fischer and we should
believe him and not the Inquirer, Chun, nor Krabbe.
If you contact Russel Targ, the husband of the late Joan Targ, he would
tell you that Gerhart Fischer was the real father and nobody else.
Sam Sloan
wrote:
>Sam Sloan wrote:
>> It was recently discovered that Paul Nemenyi was the real father of
>> World Chess Champion Bobby Fischer.
>
>Discovered by whom?
By Sam Sloan, with considerable help from a reporter with the
Philadelphia Inquirer.
>Phylly Inquirer, Rene Chun and Tim Krabbe?
If you do a Google search, you will see that I posted it first, under
the heading "An Atomic Bomb is about to Drop on the Bobby Fischer
Story", dated November 12, 2002. However, I did not drop the bomb. I
wanted the Philadelphia Inquirer to publish the story and if I beat
them to it they might decide not to publish it so I just gave you a
teaser.
Rene Chun is a worm to whom I will never speak again because he lied
to me by claiming that he was going to publish a story sympathic to
Bobby but instead he published a hatchet job.
Tim Krabbe has an excellent website but has never claimed to be the
discoverer of thefacts.
>They'r known to make things up. It's nowhere to be found even in the FBI
>files. Bobby said that his father was Gerhardt Fischer and we should
>believe him and not the Inquirer, Chun, nor Krabbe.
Bobby has never said that Gerhardt Fischer was his father. He did say
that his father was a physicist. This led many to conclude that
Gerhardt Fischer was a physicist, but there is no evidence of that.
Paul Nemenyi was a physicist. Gerhardt Fischer was a lightbulb
salesman.
>If you contact Russel Targ, the husband of the late Joan Targ, he would
>tell you that Gerhart Fischer was the real father and nobody else.
Have you spoken to him lately or at all? Bobby and Joan had the same
mother but different fathers.
Sam Sloan
Liam Too
>
> By Sam Sloan, with considerable help from a reporter with the
> Philadelphia Inquirer.
AHA, the more reason that it's all made up.
> Bobby has never said that Gerhardt Fischer was his father. He did say
> that his father was a physicist. This led many to conclude that
> Gerhardt Fischer was a physicist, but there is no evidence of that.
> Paul Nemenyi was a physicist. Gerhardt Fischer was a lightbulb
> salesman.
"WHEN I asked Bobby about his personal life, he said he was born March
9, 1943, in Chicago. His father was a physicist and his mother a
registered nurse and schoolteacher. He has an older sister. When he
was a baby, his parents were divorced. His mother took him and his
sister to California, Arizona, and then Brooklyn, where the family
settled. Bobby's father left the country soon after his son was born
and Bobby has no recollection of him." --Ralph Ginzburg, Harper's
Magazine January 1962
"When he was a baby his parents were divorced", meaning Gerhardt and
Regina. Nemenyi came to the picture later.
"Bobby's father left the country", meaning Gerhardt Fischer left the
country. Nemenyi never did leave the country when Bobby was a baby.
Bill Wall spoke to Rusell Targ and wrote in September 2004, "Russell
Targ, Bobby's brother-in-law, disputes this suggestion that Nemenyi was
Fischer's real father."
Sam Sloan
wrote:
>Sam Sloan wrote:
Nowhere in this does Bobby Fischer ever say that Gerhardt Fischer was
his father. You make a lot of suppositions as did my old friend Ralph
Ginzberg For example,there is no evidence that Regina Fischer ever
divorced Gerhardt Fischer in America. Divorce records are available
through http://www.ancestry.com I doubt that Bobby Fischer ever said
much of that. He told me that he never talks about his father.
Unfortunately, Ralph Ginsberg had the reputation for making things up.
Bobby might have said some of those words, but certainly not all of
them.
Sam Sloan
Liam Too
> Nowhere in this does Bobby Fischer ever say that Gerhardt Fischer was
> his father. You make a lot of suppositions as did my old friend Ralph
> Ginzberg For example,there is no evidence that Regina Fischer ever
> divorced Gerhardt Fischer in America. Divorce records are available
> through http://www.ancestry.com I doubt that Bobby Fischer ever said
> much of that. He told me that he never talks about his father.
> Unfortunately, Ralph Ginsberg had the reputation for making things
> up. Bobby might have said some of those words, but certainly not
> all of them.
>
> Sam Sloan
Those are the words of Bobby Fischer. In January 1962 as well as in
recent 2004 interviews, he said that he's only part Jewish.
"Am I correct in surmising that there are quite a number of Jews in
the upper echelons of chess?" --Ralph Ginzburg
"Yeh, there are too many Jews in chess. They seem to have taken away
the class of the game. They don't seem to dress so nicely, you know.
That's what I don't like." --Bobby Fischer
"You're Jewish, aren't you?" --Ralph Ginzburg
"Part Jewish. My mother is Jewish." --Bobby Fischer
The above is the most famous interview saying that Bobby Fischer is
Part Jewish. As you know Nemenyi is Jewish. Bobby never said that he is
full Jewish.
Give it up Sam, the evidences are impeccable.
Sam Sloan
wrote:
>Sam Sloan wrote:
Again, you are adding one and one and getting five.
You are assuming that
1. Fischer said all of those things.
2. All of those things are true.
Fischer never knew his father. It is likely that he never even knew
his father's name. With all of his comments on every other subject, he
still has said nothing about this subject.
Sam Sloan
Liam Too
> Again, you are adding one and one and getting five.
>
> You are assuming that
> 1. Fischer said all of those things.
> 2. All of those things are true.
>
> Fischer never knew his father. It is likely that he never even knew
> his father's name. With all of his comments on every other subject,
he
> still has said nothing about this subject.
>
> Sam Sloan
He said it very clearly and it was understood by all. I don't need to
assume anything nor add things up.
"You're Jewish, aren't you?" --Ralph Ginzburg
"Part Jewish. My mother is Jewish." --Bobby Fischer
I rest my case.
Sam Sloan
wrote:
>Sam Sloan wrote:
What Bobby said 44 years ago when he was 18 does not prove much.
Since then, he has said nothing one way or the other about his father.
Sam Sloan
RMill...@nwi.net
Name: Nemenyi, Paul Felix
Birth - Death: 1895-1952
Source Citation:
Biography Index. A cumulative index to biographical material in books
and magazines. Volume 3: September, 1952-August, 1955. New York: H.W.
Wilson Co., 1956. (BioIn 3)
Russell Miller, Chelan WA
Tyrone Slothrop
> Can anybody please find an obituary of Paul Nemenyi or any record of
> his death in Hanford, Washington? As this was a top secret facility
> his death itself might have been kept secret.
Why not try an FOIA request to the FBI for information they may have
collected on Paul Nemenyi, Gerhardt Fisher, Regina Fischer Pustan and
Bobby Fischer?
Liam Too
> What Bobby said 44 years ago when he was 18 does not prove
> much.
>
> Since then, he has said nothing one way or the other about
> his father.
> Sam Sloan
Wrong! In 2004 before the application for Icelandic citizenship, Bobby
applied for a German citizenship showing Gerhardt Fischer as the
father.
Joan and Bobby grew up NOT knowing about Nemenyi. Gerhardt Fischer left
the country when Bobby was only a baby and when Joan was aware enough
to know who's who. Yet, Bobby and Joan knew about Gerharrt and the name
Nemenyi was as obscure in their minds as it was since Joan passed away
and right now as Bobby has grown to be a 62 year old man.
Sam, the irrefutable evidence is overwhelming!
Taylor Kingston
> If you contact Russel Targ, the husband of the late Joan Targ, he
would
> tell you that Gerhart Fischer was the real father and nobody else.
The claim that Paul Nemenyi was Fischer's biological father has
appeared in at least two books: "Bobby Fischer Goes to War" by David
Edmonds and John Eidinow (Harper Collins 2004) and "Bobby Fischer, The
Wandering King" by Hans Böhm and Kees Jongkind (Batsford 2004). The
latter cites the 2002 Philadelphia Inquirer story, and adds "His son
Peter Nemenyi confirmed this when Paul Nemenyi died in 1952. Nemenyi
paid monthly child support for Bobby."
I suppose DNA testing would settle the question conclusively, but
it's doubtful Fischer would agree to it.
Liam Too
> The claim that Paul Nemenyi was Fischer's biological father has
> appeared in at least two books: "Bobby Fischer Goes to War" by David
> Edmonds and John Eidinow (Harper Collins 2004) and "Bobby Fischer,
The
> Wandering King" by Hans Böhm and Kees Jongkind (Batsford 2004). The
> latter cites the 2002 Philadelphia Inquirer story, and adds "His son
> Peter Nemenyi confirmed this when Paul Nemenyi died in 1952. Nemenyi
> paid monthly child support for Bobby."
A lot of journalists and book writers adopted the story. And their
source was Sam Sloan, in collaboration with the reporter of the Phylly
Inquirer at the 2002 World Open in Philadelphia.
> I suppose DNA testing would settle the question conclusively, but
> it's doubtful Fischer would agree to it.
This is laughable and of course, there's no question to prove as far as
Bobby Fischer is concerned, especially something like the figment of
the imagination of Sam Sloan.
Sam Sloan
Yes. That is our boy. Thank you. Could somebody please look this up
and post what it says here?
Sam Sloan
Taylor Kingston
Liam Too wrote:
> A lot of journalists and book writers adopted the story. And their
> source was Sam Sloan, in collaboration with the reporter of the
Phylly
> Inquirer at the 2002 World Open in Philadelphia.
So you are saying the Inquirer, plus BBC journalists Edmonds and
Eidinow, and other writers, have all been misled by Sloan on this? Just
asking -- I take no position either way.
Sam Sloan
<lttyrone...@hotmail.com> wrote:
This has already been done by the Philadelphia Inquirer. That is how
they obtained confirmation of the information I gave them
Actually, I told the reporter from the Philadelphia Inquirer that
Bobby and Joan had different fathers and that Bobby's father was
definitely NOT Gerhardt Fischer. I told him that nobody knew who
Bobby's real father was and that if he could find out it would be a
big journalistic scoop.
With that information the reporter made a Freedom of Information Act
Request which produced the name of Paul Nemenyi.
I called a few Hungarians with this news, including Zsuzsa Polgar and
Pal Benko, thereby establishing that I knew who the real father was
before the story was published in the Philadelphia Inquirer.
Sam Sloan
Liam Too
> So you are saying the Inquirer, plus BBC journalists Edmonds and
> Eidinow, and other writers, have all been misled by Sloan on this?
> Just asking -- I take no position either way.
Yes!
Liam Too
>
> So you are saying the Inquirer, plus BBC journalists Edmonds and
> Eidinow, and other writers, have all been misled by Sloan on this?
> Just asking -- I take no position either way.
Here's the current stance of Edmonds and Eidinow on the parentage of
Bobby Fischer:
March 28, 2005, 7:47PM
The Fischer king: What's behind Iceland's move?
Nation's gratitude toward chess champ has long history
By DAVID EDMONDS and JOHN EIDINOW
On the face of it, Iceland's decision to save Bobby Fischer from
deportation to the United States by offering him citizenship is
puzzling.
...Fischer is also a rabid anti-Semite (although his mother was
Jewish)...
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/editorial/outlook/3106121
Taylor Kingston
Liam Too wrote:
> Here's the current stance of Edmonds and Eidinow on the parentage of
> Bobby Fischer:
>
> March 28, 2005, 7:47PM
>
> The Fischer king: What's behind Iceland's move?
> Jewish)...
>
> http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/editorial/outlook/3106121
That does not necessarily contradict what they wrote on page 306 of
"Bobby Fischer Goes to War":
"His mother took to the grave an astonishing secret: Her son's
biological father was not her ex-husband, Gerhardt, by a Hungarian-born
physicist, Paul Nemenyi ... [Fischer] is ethnically Jewish on both
sides of his true parentage."
Liam Too
Well, it's very clear to me, on March 28, 2005, they said that only his
mother was Jewish.
On their book they said that Fischer is etnically Jewish on both sides.
The bottom line really is that Gerhardt Fischer was the father of Bobby
Fischer, otherwise, he would have known growing up that it was Paul
Nemenyi.
Sam Sloan
wrote:
>
Again you are adding one plus one and getting 17.
Fischer's mother was married to Gerhardt Fischer. They were married in
Moscow USSR.
However,when Fischer's mother came to America,Gerhardt Fischer was
barred from entry as he was a known Communist.
Fischer's mother was a Communist too, but she was allowed in because
she was a US Citizen.
Regina had a child by Paul Nemenyi but she was never married to him.
She was still married to Gerhardt Fischer whom she had left behind.
That is why the child was named Bobby Fischer. Legally,Gerhardt
Fischer was his father but biologically Paul Nemenyi was the father.
They did not have the Moray Povich show on the air at the time.
Sam Sloan
Liam Too
> Again you are adding one plus one and getting 17.
>
> Fischer's mother was married to Gerhardt Fischer. They were
> married in Moscow USSR.
>
> However,when Fischer's mother came to America,Gerhardt
> Fischer was barred from entry as he was a known Communist.
This was written by the Phylly Inquirer and not from the FBI files. I
discussed this before, line by line with Todd Flambers. You may not
know this but the communists were our allies at that time. They were
fighting Hitler. How can he be barred by immigration when he had more
chance in getting in this country as a communist, than being an
ordinary German citizen. This was the biggest blunder that was written
by the Inquirer and they don't even know it.
Of course, being legally married to a US citizen is one way of getting
in as well.
David Vancina
> I suppose DNA testing would settle the question conclusively, but
> it's doubtful Fischer would agree to it.
>
Maybe someone saved that State Department letter he spit on. :-)