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samsloan
Oct 15, 2011, 3:47:41 PM10/15/11
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Grandmaster Preparation by Lev Polugaevsky
Foreword by Sam Sloan
Andy Soltis wrote a column in Chess Life, or perhaps it was in the New
York Post where Grandmaster Soltis is the chess columnist, pointing
out the remarkable fact that Lev Polugaevsky was the ninth rated
player in the world, yet nobody had ever heard of him.
Everybody interested in chess has heard the names of Geller, Keres,
Petrosian, Tal, Korchnoi and Smyslov, yet if you mention the name of
Polugaevsky they will say "Who Dat?", even though Polugaevsky was
about equal in rating to those other players.
Polugaevsky defeated Tal and Mecking in matches. He qualified to the
candidates matches for the World Championship five times, a record few
had equaled, but he lost twice in matches against Korchnoi in the semi-
finals for the World Championship. He won two major international
grandmaster tournaments. He won two USSR Championships, in 1967 and
1968. Quite good for somebody whom nobody ever heard of.
It happened that I sat with Bobby Fischer as he analyzed one of
Polugaevsky's games. It was in Fischer's Hotel room in the Empire
Hotel in New York City. Fran Goldfarb arrived after I did, as I was
looking at chess games with Bobby. I think Fran was slightly perturbed
to find me there. She had hoped to see Fischer alone. Like many other
female chess players, she was hoping for a private meeting with Bobby
for a private lesson, if you catch my drift. Many top female chess
players would have loved to get knocked up by Fischer if only they
could get the chance, but he never let his guard down.
When Fischer started to play over the game by Polugaevsky, Fran
Goldfarb said that she would like to see another game. To this,
Fischer replied:
"I want to learn something too. This is a very important game because
it is by Polugaevsky playing the Polugaevsky Variation, his own
variation!"
As Fischer played through the game, Fran Goldfarb had the temerity to
suggest a couple of moves. The moves she suggested were ridiculous. I
was actually embarrassed by the weak moves Fran suggested. Of course,
she was only a Class B player, so more could not be expected. I was
careful when I was in the presence of the Great Fischer. I would only
suggest a move after checking it over and over again in my mind to
make sure it was at least not a major blunder and was somewhat
reasonable. I was not going to disgrace myself by suggesting a
ridiculous move to the Great Fischer, if I could avoid it.
Fischer would often ask me what move I would play in such-and-such
position. My objective when asked such a question was to suggest the
natural move, to play it safe. I would not suggest to the Great
Fischer one of those crazy moves that I actually play in tournament
games.
The main reason I am recounting this incident here is to point out
that Fischer held Polugaevsky in the highest regard. Even if nobody
else had heard of Polugaevsky, Fischer had certainly heard of him and
was deeply studying his games, and this was well before Polugaevsky
had come to be regarded as one of the strongest players in the world.
The curious question remains: Why is it that nobody ever heard of
Polugaevsky, even though he was rated in the top ten players in the
world for nearly two decades? Was it because he did not play wild and
crazy sacrificial attacks like Tal did? No, that could not be the
reason, because it is difficult to imagine a more wild and crazy
"defense" than his Polugaevsky Variation.
Perhaps it was because he did not play in the deadly dull positional
style like Petrosian and Karpov. No, that could not be the reason
either.
Perhaps it was because he never became World Champion. But Geller and
Keres never became world champion and every chess player has heard of
them.
I met Polugaevsky one time. That was when he gave a brief speech in
English at the FIDE Delegates meeting in Thessaloniki Greece in 1988.
He spoke about his idea for a world championship cycle, a subject of
interest to him as he was constantly one of the players in that cycle.
The Polugaevsky Variation goes like this:
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 e6 7.f4 b5
This last move leaves the Black king nearly naked. It is an attempt to
seize the initiative. If White does not react strongly to it, Black
gains the advantage. However, it is a violation of principles, as it
neglects development. Most grandmasters played instead the simple
developing move, 7. . . . Be7 or else played 7. . . . Nbd7 or else
went for the poisoned pawn with 7. . . . Qb6.
Now, in this position, the most common moves are 8.e5 dxe5 9.fxe5 Qc7
10.exf6 Qe5+ 11.Be2 Qxg5, bringing us to this position:
Here Black is attempting to grab a pawn but he has only one piece
developed, his queen! Clearly a risky choice. Fischer did play the
Polugaevsky Variation one time and he won with it. Reshevsky played it
too, a strange choice for Reshevsky, a positional player.
Here is a typical game with the Polugaevsky Variation. As you will see
White threatens checkmate several times. Polugaevsky leaves his king
wide open to attack. It seems impossible for Black to survive, yet he
does survive and goes on to win the game.
Rodriguez Cespedes, Amador (2505) - Polugaevsky, Lev (2600) [B96]
Biel Interzonal Biel (17), 1985
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 e6 7.f4 b5 8.e5
dxe5 9.fxe5 Qc7 10.exf6 Qe5+ 11.Be2 Qxg5 12.Qd3 Qxf6 13.Rf1 Qe5 14.Rd1
Ra7 15.Nf3 Qc7 16.Ng5 f5 17.Qd4 Qe7 18.Nge4 h5 19.Nd6+ Qxd6 20.Qxa7
Qe5 21.Qd4 Nd7 22.Qxe5 Nxe5 23.Kd2 Bd6 24.Kc1 Ke7 25.Rfe1 Bd7 26.Bf1
Rc8 27.Kb1 g5 28.h3 h4 29.Ne2 Bc6 30.Nd4 Bb7 31.Bd3 Kf6 32.Bf1 Bc5
33.c3 Bd5 34.a3 Ng6 35.Rd2 Nf4 36.Ka1 Rg8 37.Nc2 g4 38.b4 Ba7 39.Ne3
Bxe3 40.Rxe3 gxh3 41.gxh3 Rg3 0-1
This book was first published in Russian in 1977 as Рождение Варианта
or "The Birth of a Variation" The first thing about this book is that
we change his name back. The original English Language edition spelled
his name Polugayevsky. Other spellings have been Polugayevskii. It is
difficult to understand why they keep changing the spelling of his
name. His name in Russian is Лев Абрамович Полугаевский. This
obviously transliterates to Lev Polugaevsky. It is difficult to
imagine what reason they might have had to add an extra Y to his name.
It also makes this book harder to find.
Lev Polugaevsky was born on 20 November 1934 in Mogilev in what is now
Belarus (White Russia). He died in Paris, France on 30 August 1995 at
age 60.
Sam Sloan
San Rafael California
USA
October 5, 2011
http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871874516
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871874516
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871874516
Grandmaster Preparation by Lev Polugaevsky
Foreword by Sam Sloan
Andy Soltis wrote a column in Chess Life, or perhaps it was in the New
York Post where Grandmaster Soltis is the chess columnist, pointing
out the remarkable fact that Lev Polugaevsky was the ninth rated
player in the world, yet nobody had ever heard of him.
Everybody interested in chess has heard the names of Geller, Keres,
Petrosian, Tal, Korchnoi and Smyslov, yet if you mention the name of
Polugaevsky they will say "Who Dat?", even though Polugaevsky was
about equal in rating to those other players.
Polugaevsky defeated Tal and Mecking in matches. He qualified to the
candidates matches for the World Championship five times, a record few
had equaled, but he lost twice in matches against Korchnoi in the semi-
finals for the World Championship. He won two major international
grandmaster tournaments. He won two USSR Championships, in 1967 and
1968. Quite good for somebody whom nobody ever heard of.
It happened that I sat with Bobby Fischer as he analyzed one of
Polugaevsky's games. It was in Fischer's Hotel room in the Empire
Hotel in New York City. Fran Goldfarb arrived after I did, as I was
looking at chess games with Bobby. I think Fran was slightly perturbed
to find me there. She had hoped to see Fischer alone. Like many other
female chess players, she was hoping for a private meeting with Bobby
for a private lesson, if you catch my drift. Many top female chess
players would have loved to get knocked up by Fischer if only they
could get the chance, but he never let his guard down.
When Fischer started to play over the game by Polugaevsky, Fran
Goldfarb said that she would like to see another game. To this,
Fischer replied:
"I want to learn something too. This is a very important game because
it is by Polugaevsky playing the Polugaevsky Variation, his own
variation!"
As Fischer played through the game, Fran Goldfarb had the temerity to
suggest a couple of moves. The moves she suggested were ridiculous. I
was actually embarrassed by the weak moves Fran suggested. Of course,
she was only a Class B player, so more could not be expected. I was
careful when I was in the presence of the Great Fischer. I would only
suggest a move after checking it over and over again in my mind to
make sure it was at least not a major blunder and was somewhat
reasonable. I was not going to disgrace myself by suggesting a
ridiculous move to the Great Fischer, if I could avoid it.
Fischer would often ask me what move I would play in such-and-such
position. My objective when asked such a question was to suggest the
natural move, to play it safe. I would not suggest to the Great
Fischer one of those crazy moves that I actually play in tournament
games.
The main reason I am recounting this incident here is to point out
that Fischer held Polugaevsky in the highest regard. Even if nobody
else had heard of Polugaevsky, Fischer had certainly heard of him and
was deeply studying his games, and this was well before Polugaevsky
had come to be regarded as one of the strongest players in the world.
The curious question remains: Why is it that nobody ever heard of
Polugaevsky, even though he was rated in the top ten players in the
world for nearly two decades? Was it because he did not play wild and
crazy sacrificial attacks like Tal did? No, that could not be the
reason, because it is difficult to imagine a more wild and crazy
"defense" than his Polugaevsky Variation.
Perhaps it was because he did not play in the deadly dull positional
style like Petrosian and Karpov. No, that could not be the reason
either.
Perhaps it was because he never became World Champion. But Geller and
Keres never became world champion and every chess player has heard of
them.
I met Polugaevsky one time. That was when he gave a brief speech in
English at the FIDE Delegates meeting in Thessaloniki Greece in 1988.
He spoke about his idea for a world championship cycle, a subject of
interest to him as he was constantly one of the players in that cycle.
The Polugaevsky Variation goes like this:
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 e6 7.f4 b5
This last move leaves the Black king nearly naked. It is an attempt to
seize the initiative. If White does not react strongly to it, Black
gains the advantage. However, it is a violation of principles, as it
neglects development. Most grandmasters played instead the simple
developing move, 7. . . . Be7 or else played 7. . . . Nbd7 or else
went for the poisoned pawn with 7. . . . Qb6.
Now, in this position, the most common moves are 8.e5 dxe5 9.fxe5 Qc7
10.exf6 Qe5+ 11.Be2 Qxg5, bringing us to this position:
Here Black is attempting to grab a pawn but he has only one piece
developed, his queen! Clearly a risky choice. Fischer did play the
Polugaevsky Variation one time and he won with it. Reshevsky played it
too, a strange choice for Reshevsky, a positional player.
Here is a typical game with the Polugaevsky Variation. As you will see
White threatens checkmate several times. Polugaevsky leaves his king
wide open to attack. It seems impossible for Black to survive, yet he
does survive and goes on to win the game.
Rodriguez Cespedes, Amador (2505) - Polugaevsky, Lev (2600) [B96]
Biel Interzonal Biel (17), 1985
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 e6 7.f4 b5 8.e5
dxe5 9.fxe5 Qc7 10.exf6 Qe5+ 11.Be2 Qxg5 12.Qd3 Qxf6 13.Rf1 Qe5 14.Rd1
Ra7 15.Nf3 Qc7 16.Ng5 f5 17.Qd4 Qe7 18.Nge4 h5 19.Nd6+ Qxd6 20.Qxa7
Qe5 21.Qd4 Nd7 22.Qxe5 Nxe5 23.Kd2 Bd6 24.Kc1 Ke7 25.Rfe1 Bd7 26.Bf1
Rc8 27.Kb1 g5 28.h3 h4 29.Ne2 Bc6 30.Nd4 Bb7 31.Bd3 Kf6 32.Bf1 Bc5
33.c3 Bd5 34.a3 Ng6 35.Rd2 Nf4 36.Ka1 Rg8 37.Nc2 g4 38.b4 Ba7 39.Ne3
Bxe3 40.Rxe3 gxh3 41.gxh3 Rg3 0-1
This book was first published in Russian in 1977 as Рождение Варианта
or "The Birth of a Variation" The first thing about this book is that
we change his name back. The original English Language edition spelled
his name Polugayevsky. Other spellings have been Polugayevskii. It is
difficult to understand why they keep changing the spelling of his
name. His name in Russian is Лев Абрамович Полугаевский. This
obviously transliterates to Lev Polugaevsky. It is difficult to
imagine what reason they might have had to add an extra Y to his name.
It also makes this book harder to find.
Lev Polugaevsky was born on 20 November 1934 in Mogilev in what is now
Belarus (White Russia). He died in Paris, France on 30 August 1995 at
age 60.
Sam Sloan
San Rafael California
USA
October 5, 2011
http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871874516
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871874516
Taylor Kingston
Oct 15, 2011, 4:12:14 PM10/15/11
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On Oct 15, 12:47 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Fischer would often ask me what move I would play in such-and-such
> position. My objective when asked such a question was to suggest the
> natural move, to play it safe. I would not suggest to the Great
> Fischer one of those crazy moves that I actually play in tournament
> games.
>
> The main reason I am recounting this incident here is to point out
> that Fischer held Polugaevsky in the highest regard.
No, Sam, you are trying to give the impression that you were a close
>
> Fischer would often ask me what move I would play in such-and-such
> position. My objective when asked such a question was to suggest the
> natural move, to play it safe. I would not suggest to the Great
> Fischer one of those crazy moves that I actually play in tournament
> games.
>
> The main reason I am recounting this incident here is to point out
> that Fischer held Polugaevsky in the highest regard.
friend and adviser of Fischer and that he valued your opinion. This is
no different than the times you have claimed to have advised JFK
during the Cuban missile crisis, Ike on D-Day strategy, or Grant
during the siege of Richmond. As is well known, the only such person
who ever took your advice was Napoleon during the Russian campaign,
and we all know how that turned out.
Chvsanchez
Oct 16, 2011, 12:53:34 AM10/16/11
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On 15 oct, 16:47, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871874516http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871874516
> This book was first published in Russian in 1977 as òÏÖÄÅÎÉÅ ÷ÁÒÉÁÎÔÁ
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871874516http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871874516
> or "The Birth of a Variation" The first thing about this book is that
> we change his name back. The original English Language edition spelled
> his name Polugayevsky. Other spellings have been Polugayevskii. It is
> difficult to understand why they keep changing the spelling of his
> name. His name in Russian is ìÅ× áÂÒÁÍÏ×ÉÞ ðÏÌÕÇÁÅ×ÓËÉÊ. This
> we change his name back. The original English Language edition spelled
> his name Polugayevsky. Other spellings have been Polugayevskii. It is
> difficult to understand why they keep changing the spelling of his
> obviously transliterates to Lev Polugaevsky. It is difficult to
> imagine what reason they might have had to add an extra Y to his name.
> It also makes this book harder to find.
>
> Lev Polugaevsky was born on 20 November 1934 in Mogilev in what is now
> Belarus (White Russia). He died in Paris, France on 30 August 1995 at
> age 60.
>
> Sam Sloan
> San Rafael California
> USA
> October 5, 2011
>
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871874516http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871874516
-His name in Russian is ìÅ× áÂÒÁÍÏ×ÉÞ ðÏÌÕÇÁÅ×ÓËÉÊ. This
> imagine what reason they might have had to add an extra Y to his name.
> It also makes this book harder to find.
>
> Lev Polugaevsky was born on 20 November 1934 in Mogilev in what is now
> Belarus (White Russia). He died in Paris, France on 30 August 1995 at
> age 60.
>
> Sam Sloan
> San Rafael California
> USA
> October 5, 2011
>
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/4871874516http://search.barnesandnoble.com/books/product.aspx?ISBN=4871874516
obviously transliterates to Lev Polugaevsky. It is difficult to
imagine what reason they might have had to add an extra Y to his name.
Because the stress is on that "e", which is pronounced "ye".
imagine what reason they might have had to add an extra Y to his name.
BettorO...@aol.com
Oct 16, 2011, 5:20:21 AM10/16/11
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wealthy until he won the world championship, and Jackie Beers told me
he used to hustle games at at 50 cents a pop in th automat. I'm sure
with a modest amount of patronage Fischer would have been happy to see
Sloan or any of the other regulars on the New York Chess scene.
Fischer probably knew dozens of guys like this, of which Sloan would
logically have been one, given his age and long-term interest in
chess. I wouldn't say he stood out to Fishcer, but nothing Sloan said
here is that spectacular, or impossible.
Around that time, if you wanted to play chess in Manhattan, there were
the two main chess clubs, the Automat, Washington Square Park, Central
Park (not as strong as WSP), Tompkins Square Park, that little park on
Sixth and Third next to the basketball courts, or I would imagine,
Fischer's hotel room, where he probably welcomed many players. There
really weren't too many regulars there, and it was a very \small
community.
Is that game he showed the main line? It's been a while since I
played the white side of that variation.
Taylor Kingston
Oct 16, 2011, 1:23:27 PM10/16/11
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On Oct 16, 2:20 am, "BettorOffSin...@aol.com"
The truth or falsehood of this particular story is irrelevant. That
was not my main point. I was questioning Sloan's statement that "The
does pretty much anything is to draw attention to himself. I felt this
was no different.
The truth or falsehood of this particular story is irrelevant. That
was not my main point. I was questioning Sloan's statement that "The
main reason I am recounting this incident here is to point out that
Fischer held Polugaevsky in the highest regard." The main reason Sloan
does pretty much anything is to draw attention to himself. I felt this
was no different.
None
Oct 16, 2011, 5:01:00 PM10/16/11
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samsloan
Oct 16, 2011, 5:50:36 PM10/16/11
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I wonder what Stan Booz, a/k/a NONE a/k/a joesch...@gmail.com feels he
accomplishes by postings like this. Here is a book by a famous chess
personality, one of the strongest players in the world. Why would a
1600 player like Stan Booz object to this posting?
Sam Sloan
accomplishes by postings like this. Here is a book by a famous chess
personality, one of the strongest players in the world. Why would a
1600 player like Stan Booz object to this posting?
Sam Sloan
None
Oct 16, 2011, 11:35:52 PM10/16/11
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raylopez99
Oct 17, 2011, 1:27:13 AM10/17/11
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point, and you have the gall to come back with such a rebuttal,
buttal? Shows what a stubborn, intellectually dishonest prick you
are.
And you lost our correspondence game, don't you ever forget it.
RL
David Ames
Oct 17, 2011, 7:00:50 AM10/17/11
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chess organizations."
David Ames
Oct 17, 2011, 7:08:44 AM10/17/11
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overlooking anything that a (comparatively) weak player like Sam Sloan
might think of. I believe Fischer was like a vacuum cleaner for
knowledge, that he welcomed comments that he could evaluate for his
own benefit.
David Ames
The Masked Bishop
Oct 17, 2011, 8:47:31 AM10/17/11
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Nobody heard of him because a) he was never a WC and b) his name was
too long with too many consecutive vowels and c) this is CHESS.
Chess is not golf. If you are not the WC, no-one has heard of you, and
it doesn't matter if you are in the top 50, top 20, or top 10. Only
chess players have heard of you, and even most of them haven't.
As for the WC, unless you are a) hot or b) really good at promoting
yourself and getting endorsements or c) American, no-one in the States
has heard of you either. Walk into any bar and ask for a show of hands
for those who know who Viswanathan Anand is. Or Vladimir Kramnik. Or
Jose Capablanca.
A FEW might have heard of Kasparov.
Now try Bobby Fischer. Ding! The old dead racist still rules the
roost. He is our forever Pride and Shame of American Chess.
And I say shame not so much for his own actions, which were possibly
beyond his control...but for ours, in allowing our one chess genius to
deteriorate into open madness and finally die alone in f&cking
ICELAND.
TMB
too long with too many consecutive vowels and c) this is CHESS.
Chess is not golf. If you are not the WC, no-one has heard of you, and
it doesn't matter if you are in the top 50, top 20, or top 10. Only
chess players have heard of you, and even most of them haven't.
As for the WC, unless you are a) hot or b) really good at promoting
yourself and getting endorsements or c) American, no-one in the States
has heard of you either. Walk into any bar and ask for a show of hands
for those who know who Viswanathan Anand is. Or Vladimir Kramnik. Or
Jose Capablanca.
A FEW might have heard of Kasparov.
Now try Bobby Fischer. Ding! The old dead racist still rules the
roost. He is our forever Pride and Shame of American Chess.
And I say shame not so much for his own actions, which were possibly
beyond his control...but for ours, in allowing our one chess genius to
deteriorate into open madness and finally die alone in f&cking
ICELAND.
TMB
None
Oct 17, 2011, 9:03:08 AM10/17/11
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raylopez99
Oct 17, 2011, 11:30:52 AM10/17/11
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On Oct 17, 8:47 pm, The Masked Bishop <tmb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As for the WC, unless you are a) hot or b) really good at promoting
> yourself and getting endorsements or c) American, no-one in the States
> has heard of you either. Walk into any bar and ask for a show of hands
> for those who know who Viswanathan Anand is. Or Vladimir Kramnik. Or
> Jose Capablanca.
>
Ah, from your last mention of Capa I see you have never been to Cuba,
>
> As for the WC, unless you are a) hot or b) really good at promoting
> yourself and getting endorsements or c) American, no-one in the States
> has heard of you either. Walk into any bar and ask for a show of hands
> for those who know who Viswanathan Anand is. Or Vladimir Kramnik. Or
> Jose Capablanca.
>
where his photo, like that of Fidel and Che, hangs reverently in many
a household.
RL
None
Oct 17, 2011, 1:06:09 PM10/17/11
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>
> - Show quoted text -
samsloan
Oct 17, 2011, 4:22:34 PM10/17/11
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what move I would play in this or that position. As he was a far
better player than I was, I felt he wanted to see what a player of my
strength would play.
Sam Sloan
None
Oct 17, 2011, 7:10:48 PM10/17/11
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samsloan
Oct 18, 2011, 11:45:53 AM10/18/11
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None
Oct 18, 2011, 1:30:23 PM10/18/11
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You know damn right well why I do. Stop spamming your crap here. Do
what honest businesses do, buy an ad.
what honest businesses do, buy an ad.
raylopez99
Oct 19, 2011, 12:40:09 PM10/19/11
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Advertisers know this that's why all signposts and park benches are
plastered with little stickers from various nightclubs.
RL
samsloan
Oct 19, 2011, 1:05:29 PM10/19/11
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On Oct 19, 9:40 am, raylopez99 <raylope...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 19, 1:30 am, None <joeschm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 19, 1:30 am, None <joeschm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Why does Stan Booz keep doing this?
>
>
> > You know damn right well why I do. Stop spamming your crap here. Do
> > what honest businesses do, buy an ad.
>
> You get better mileage from the guerrilla marketing that Sam does.
> Advertisers know this that's why all signposts and park benches are
> plastered with little stickers from various nightclubs.
>
> RL
Grandmaster Preparation by Lev Polugaevsky or Lyev Polugayesky is
> > what honest businesses do, buy an ad.
>
> You get better mileage from the guerrilla marketing that Sam does.
> Advertisers know this that's why all signposts and park benches are
> plastered with little stickers from various nightclubs.
>
> RL
clearly a chess topic that belongs here so why does Stan Booz a/k/a
Joe Schmoe a/k/a NONE keep trying to blank it out?
Sam Sloan
None
Oct 19, 2011, 1:21:22 PM10/19/11
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>
> - Show quoted text -
because your'e selling something and could care less about Lev
> - Show quoted text -
None
Oct 19, 2011, 1:21:36 PM10/19/11
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