My Bill Brock Wikipedia page

[Sam Sloan]

Lately, in case you have not noticed, Bill Brock has been posting
boigraphies of me on Wikipedia. At first, he asked that my biography
be deleted, claiming that I had written the biography myself. This was
demonstrated not to be true. My Wikipedia biography was written by two
persons who have never met me and who know of me for reasons unrelated
to chess and who do not know each other either. I feel that it is
improper for me to comment on the biography of me, but the problem is
that first Neil Brennen and more recently Bill Brock have been posting
statements about me that are untrue. Fortunately, the site
administrators have regularly deleted these untrue statements made by
Neil Brennen and Bill Brock without intervention from any of us.

Nevertheless, Bill Brock keeps reposting his stuff, even after it had
been deleted. Therefore, I decided to post my own biography of Bill
Brock to alert readers to what is going on.

Here is my biography of Bill Brock. It is posted at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billbrock

I believe that every regular reader of this group will agree that
everything I have written is entirely fasctual, unlike his.

Billbrock
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Bill Brock is a rated chess expert and President of the Illinois Chess
Association. He is also a CPA with an office in downtown Chicago on
205 W. Randolph St. http://www.billbrock.net/

Bill Brock has become known for his personal attacks on Sam Sloan,
calling Sloan unrepeatable names hundreds of times. Most of these
personal attacks have been posted on Usenet on the chess newsgroup
rec.games.chess.politics at
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.games.chess.politics

Bill Brock most recently posts under the name politi...@gmail.com
. Bill Brock has attacked Sam Sloan 54 times in the last month just
under that name.

Just as one example of this, here is what Bill Brock posted at 6:46 PM
on July 11, 2005:

"The racist child-molesting porn-peddling felonious TV producer Sam
Sloan and I both want to broadcast the true nature of the racist
child-molesting porn-peddling felonious TV producer's character."

As a result of these personal attacks, Bill Brock and Sam Sloan played
a much-publicized Grudge Match for a stake of One Thousand Dollars
Cash money on the table in Chicago. Sam Sloan won the Grudge Match by
a score of 2-1 and took home the $1,000 cash.

More recently, Bill Brock has started attacking Sam Sloan here in
Wikipedia by making dubious claims about Sloan.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billbrock"
Categories: U.S. chess players

[Chess One]

<sl...@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:4306512b....@ca.news.verio.net...

> Lately, in case you have not noticed, Bill Brock has been posting

> biographies of me on Wikipedia. At first, he asked that my biography

> be deleted, claiming that I had written the biography myself. This was
> demonstrated not to be true. My Wikipedia biography was written by two
> persons who have never met me and who know of me for reasons unrelated
> to chess and who do not know each other either. I feel that it is
> improper for me to comment on the biography of me, but the problem is
> that first Neil Brennen and more recently Bill Brock have been posting
> statements about me that are untrue. Fortunately, the site
> administrators have regularly deleted these untrue statements made by
> Neil Brennen and Bill Brock without intervention from any of us.

Laugh - One of these biographers is a compulsive liar and distorter in his
every public word, even though the CJA of America have sought to honour him
for his biographies of 1700-rated players, while they ignore the Silence of
the Lambs! I know not the other one.

> Nevertheless, Bill Brock keeps reposting his stuff, even after it had
> been deleted. Therefore, I decided to post my own biography of Bill
> Brock to alert readers to what is going on.

Such stuff! And how American-egalitarian it is that one can distort another
person with seeming composure in public as if this comprised anything
worthwhile.

I have sometimes been accused of being anti-American, rather less than
actual Americans accuse themselves, nevertheless, this shit is worth
no-one's attention and while Larry Parr wished Sam Sloan to succeed to
office at USCF to open up its affairs, I cannot conclude with him that outer
space contains any air at all.

Phil Innes

[politi...@gmail.com]

My own wiki--kewl! Add: married to former Bunny; Ph.D. English; former
resident (1976-77), Third West, East Campus (I played for the B team
that year and had Ron Henley busted in an early round--the big fish got
away). Still, I don't think I merit a Who's Who entry, let alone a
wiki....

How should the following be undistorted, Phil? We strive for NPOV....

<<The Commonwealth of Virginia found Sloan guilty of attempted
abduction of his daughter stemming from the ensuing custody dispute, as
well as failure to appear before the court; Sloan vigorously disputed
Virginia's jurisdiction in what he viewed as a family matter. Sloan
served approximately two years in prison.>>

[politi...@gmail.com]

P.S.

1. Sloan is correct that I incorrectly described his having one felony
conviction for kidnapping; in fact, he has two convictions for less
serious felonies. I promptly corrected my error.

2. An editor wanted to see proof of Sloan's felony convictions and took
down my edit as unsourced. I provided the proof and restored the edit.
The editor agreed and withdrew the objection. The history is
available for examination on the page.

[politi...@gmail.com]

politi...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> How should the following be undistorted, Phil? We strive for NPOV....
>
> <<The Commonwealth of Virginia found Sloan guilty of attempted
> abduction of his daughter stemming from the ensuing custody dispute, as
> well as failure to appear before the court; Sloan vigorously disputed
> Virginia's jurisdiction in what he viewed as a family matter. Sloan
> served approximately two years in prison.>>

Since you've called my integrity into question, Phil Innes, kindly help
me correct the relevant passage of the Wikipedia entry in question.

1. Is there a factual error in this passage, Phil?

2. Does this passage fall short of the Wikipedia ideal of neutral point
of view, Phil?

Obviously, Phil, I have made comments about Sam Sloan in places other
than Wikipedia. You say you don't know me. Perhaps you'll know me a
bit better by the end of this friendly chat.

3. Do you agree with Sam Sloan (and here I must apologize to the casual
reader for remarks I find virulently racist) that "Japanese Girls in
America measure the difference by how much deeper the Nigger's dick
goes into her mouth"? http://tinyurl.com/bqczh

4. Do you agree with Sam Sloan that "[w]hat Japanese Girls in America
share in common is that All of them have been fucked by a Nigger,
except for a few of those who just got here
recently"? http://tinyurl.com/bj2rp http://tinyurl.com/aosmw

5. Do Sloan's comments in 3. and 4. above modify your opinion of him as
a citizen?

6. As a parent, what is your opinion as to the intended audience for
these web pages created by Sloan, all featuring Misty (the 12-year-old
heroine of the children's cartoon Pokémon)?

http://www.ishipress.com/badporn.htm (here having sex with the
10-year-old boy Ash Ketchum)
http://www.samsloan.com/pokepl­ot.htm
http://www.shamema.com/pokepoll.htm

7. We are certainly all entitled to the pursuit of happiness (here's
Sloan's idea
http://tinyurl.com/78g8t ), at least to the extent we're not infringing
on others' p.o.h. Do you see Sloan's motive as harmless, and would you
encourage him to continue?

8. What is your favorite color?

[politi...@gmail.com]

broken link in 6: http://www.samsloan.com/pokeplot.htm

[politi...@gmail.com]

correction to 6: http://www.ishipress.com/badporn.htm

That's definitely Ash's hat. But I believe that's Ash's mother.
(either way: eww, gross)

[Mike Murray]

On 20 Aug 2005 08:49:44 -0700, "politi...@gmail.com"
<politi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is it true that one of the essay topics for the new College Entrance
Exam is "Compare and contrast the lifestyles and worldviews of Frank
Harris, Henry Miller, Sam Sloan and Jean Genet" ?

(Kansas students are allowed to substitute Jimmy Swaggart for any one
of the above)

[politi...@gmail.com]

:-)

[Chess One]

<politi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124552984....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
politi...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> How should the following be undistorted, Phil? We strive for NPOV....
>
> <<The Commonwealth of Virginia found Sloan guilty of attempted
> abduction of his daughter stemming from the ensuing custody dispute, as
> well as failure to appear before the court; Sloan vigorously disputed
> Virginia's jurisdiction in what he viewed as a family matter. Sloan
> served approximately two years in prison.>>

Since you've called my

---------
This is a very strange communication; from Bill Brock?

Who is the anonymous writer whose 'integrity' has been called, if indeed
that is not a contradiction in terms?

I have no idea why anyone who can't write their own name could wish to
prosecute the real name of someone else in a public forum - or canvas
support for a bit of malice! That is, anyone with a modicum of self-respect.
And surely, if you don't like the expressions of other people, why repeat
them, why amplify them? Why indeed are you fixed on them?

What is the purpose of the writer in instigating this message?

It never occurs to me to assess who says what, but rather the quality of
idea expressed. Sometimes I read a bible and find a precedent there.

Phil Innes

----------

[politi...@gmail.com]

Generally, you are correct that amplifying the words of hate-mongers is
unwise, as it only breeds more hate. But rules have exceptions.

I want to force the USCF Board to endorse Sam Sloan's conduct or reject
it. Not necessarily formally. Why? Because I want this Board to
succeed.

I have explained my words, Phil Innes. Are you up to explaining yours?

***********

Sam Sloan wrote:
> Lately, in case you have not noticed, Bill Brock has been posting

> biographies of me on Wikipedia. At first, he asked that my biography

> be deleted, claiming that I had written the biography myself. This was
> demonstrated not to be true. My Wikipedia biography was written by two
> persons who have never met me and who know of me for reasons unrelated
> to chess and who do not know each other either. I feel that it is
> improper for me to comment on the biography of me, but the problem is
> that first Neil Brennen and more recently Bill Brock have been posting
> statements about me that are untrue. Fortunately, the site
> administrators have regularly deleted these untrue statements made by
> Neil Brennen and Bill Brock without intervention from any of us.

Phil Innes wrote:
>>Laugh - One of these biographers [Brennan] is a compulsive liar and distorter in his

>>every public word, even though the CJA of America have sought to honour him
>>for his biographies of 1700-rated players, while they ignore the Silence of

>>the Lambs! I know not the other one [Brock].

[....]

Sam Sloan wrote:

> Nevertheless, Bill Brock keeps reposting his stuff, even after it had
> been deleted. Therefore, I decided to post my own biography of Bill
> Brock to alert readers to what is going on.

Phil Innes wrote:

>>Such stuff! And how American-egalitarian it is that one can distort another
>>person with seeming composure in public as if this comprised anything
>>worthwhile.

**********

What did I distort?

[politi...@gmail.com]

I should add that if the Board endorses Sloan's conduct, then they
might wish to slate him for the next open seat.

[politi...@gmail.com]

Distortion: Brennan s/b Brennen

[The Historian]

politi...@gmail.com wrote:
> Distortion: Brennan s/b Brennen

How charming that Sloan's pet fish wishes to draw me into his dispute
with Innes!

[politi...@gmail.com]

Not at all: just a correction for the record.

Bye!

[jr]

Reading Sam Sloan is interesting.

Reading Bill Brock is boring. This prude should get a life!

[politi...@gmail.com]

Will do, Larry.

[politi...@gmail.com]

Eliot's working title for "The Waste Land" was "He Do the Police in
Different Voices." OTOH, some people do various anons in the same
voice. Who's more boring, jr?

Work on your personae. Suggestion: "I'm Rick James, bitch!" (...and
I'll be Charlie Murphy.)

I don't mind porn by adults for adults. I mind adults who sexually
exploit children. Have you checked out the various Pokémon porn web
pages on Sloan's web site, jr? THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE PORN PER SE;
it's the mixing of porn with content intended for children. Are you a
parent, jr?

I don't like racists. Do you like racists, jr?

[politi...@gmail.com]

Cat got your tongue, jr?

Larry Parr doesn't answer inconvenient questions, either. Create
another id for self-glorification, Larry.

Of course, if jr is not Larry Parr, jr will have no problem answering
these questions....

[politi...@gmail.com]

I'm waiting for your answer, Phil Innes.

What did I distort in the Wikipedia article?

Why won't you answer the questions about Sloan's character?

If you wish to speak privately, I'll be in my office later today.
Phone # is on my website.

[cynic]

"Do you racists?" -- politikalhack

In my book the biggest racists are black "leaders" like Jesse Jackson
and Al Sharpton who toss the word around to smear opponents and extort
money from corporations that fear race-related lawsuits.

So it's best to ignore pinheads who resort to such name-calling on this
newsgroup instead of framing coherent arguments.

.

[politi...@gmail.com]

Well, Larry ("cynic" is another of Parr's not-so-anonymous handles used
to praise himself.), you're free to call me a pinhead, and no, I won't
ignore you, despite your advice.

But "cynic," let us admit for the moment that Sharpton (e.g.) is a
phony. I've never cared for Sharpton myself. But that's a convenient
change of subject.

What do you think of Sam Sloan's racism, "cynic"? I bet you agree with
Larry Parr: you hate them darkies, too. Becuase you are Larry Parr.

[politi...@gmail.com]

Now is cynic's opportunity to reveal his or her secret identity, prove
me wrong, and humiliate me (I think I'd survive).

[politi...@gmail.com]

It was Larry Parr, let's recall, who used Chess Life to promote the
"apartheid-is-good" platform.

[The Historian]

politi...@gmail.com wrote:
> It was Larry Parr, let's recall, who used Chess Life to promote the
> "apartheid-is-good" platform.

Example?

[politi...@gmail.com]

The example that sticks in my craw is a caption to a photo of an
integrated chess tnmt--the caption itself was not neutral, but
pro-apartheid govt.

Recall that around this time, the SA gov't had an ad campaign that
showed black boxer knocking down with boxer and caption sth like "This
is how we deal with discrimination in South African sports." Of
course, outside the sports/chess sphere, the powers that be had every
intention of maintaining the status quo. Don't want to get into a
prolonged discussion of Africa at this time, because Parr would love
nothing more than to change the subject.

[politi...@gmail.com]

Would Larry Parr kindly create another anonymous id to hide behind so
he can continue the conversation?

[politi...@gmail.com]

The Player Haters encounter a slave master:

"We are the Time-Haters. We've traveled back in time... to call ya a
cracker."

[The Historian]

politi...@gmail.com wrote:
> The example that sticks in my craw is a caption to a photo of an
> integrated chess tnmt--the caption itself was not neutral, but
> pro-apartheid govt.

When you have the time, it would be good to provide a month and year
for the issue in which this alleged photo appeared. Otherwise people
might think you are a person who makes charges he cannot back.

> Recall that around this time, the SA gov't had an ad campaign that
> showed black boxer knocking down with boxer and caption sth like "This
> is how we deal with discrimination in South African sports." Of
> course, outside the sports/chess sphere, the powers that be had every
> intention of maintaining the status quo. Don't want to get into a
> prolonged discussion of Africa at this time, because Parr would love
> nothing more than to change the subject.

It's not Parr who wants to change the subject, Phil, err, Bill.

[politi...@gmail.com]

I will do so.

[politi...@gmail.com]

And if I have lately ignored you on rgcp, Neil, it's because (other
than trying to avoid the *pointless* unpleasant conflicts), I really
can't bring myself to do battle with s/o who has utter disgust for
Sloan's actions. Maybe you're absolutely right that I shouldn't have
played him; maybe I was wrong. That's a fait accompli, isn't it?

****

Sloan is about to start undermining persons in typical fashion (the
McCarthyite list of known homosexuals), and I can't stand to see it
happen again.

Is this something you would like to see, Neil?

I am doing things behind the scenes that don't show up on rgcp. To
what effect? Possibly none, but I'd like to try.

****

As an apartment dweller who treasured the CL of the Parr years (not),
my copy has been tossed 15+ yrs ago. I do know that I discussed this
very photo on the old Compuserve Chess Forum, quite possibly with Parr
himself. But I've been unable to find the forum archives via Google.

I'm sure there's a CL microfilm copy somewhere in Chicago. But this
takes time.

If someone has the relevant issue handy, kindly *.pdf a copy of the
photo to me.

[The Historian]

politi...@gmail.com wrote:
> And if I have lately ignored you on rgcp, Neil,

Have I complained?

it's because (other
> than trying to avoid the *pointless* unpleasant conflicts),

Then why do you post to RGCP?

I really
> can't bring myself to do battle with s/o who has utter disgust for
> Sloan's actions. Maybe you're absolutely right that I shouldn't have
> played him; maybe I was wrong. That's a fait accompli, isn't it?

I just find it hard to imagine a situation in which it's OK to call
someone a child molester and then play chess with them. It implies you
didn't intend the child molester accusation to be taken seriously, or
that you don't take child molestation seriously.

> ****
>
> Sloan is about to start undermining persons in typical fashion (the
> McCarthyite list of known homosexuals), and I can't stand to see it
> happen again.

Sloan and ChessDon worked together well in the smearing of Ms.
Marinello. Recall ChessDon's 'I didn't tell Sloan the truth' post? Can
you blame them for trying it again?

> Is this something you would like to see, Neil?

Non sequitur, or as Mr. Innes might say, "non-secutor."

[politi...@gmail.com]

> (other than trying to avoid the *pointless* unpleasant conflicts),

<<Then why do you post to RGCP? >>

Heh. Touché.

********

<<I just find it hard to imagine a situation in which it's OK to call
someone a child molester and then play chess with them. It implies you
didn't intend the child molester accusation to be taken seriously, or
that you don't take child molestation seriously.>>

You and I have a different attitude towards chess. It's a WAR GAME. I
do not need to like the person. Korchnoi and Karpov were not buddies.

OTOH, I will admit that I like 95% of my opponents.

I will tell you one reason I lost Game 2--when we got to an
Exchange-down ending where I was (at times) slightly better, I stopped
thinking about the game and started thinking about the poor child
prostitutes. Hatred is not conducive to clear thinking.

********

> Is this something you would like to see, Neil?

<<Non sequitur, or as Mr. Innes might say, "non-secutor." >>

Yup. But also an appeal to (what should be) our common interests.

********

> Sloan is about to start undermining persons in typical fashion (the
> McCarthyite list of known homosexuals), and I can't stand to see it
> happen again.

<<Sloan and ChessDon worked together well in the smearing of Ms.
Marinello. Recall ChessDon's 'I didn't tell Sloan the truth' post? Can
you blame them for trying it again? >>

To be fair to chessdon, that's not an accurate quotation. To be fairer
to chessdon than he deserves, I'm going to make it clear that Sloan has
become his largest liability. (Hi, chessdon!) To be fair to the full
Board, there is more to the story that I am not in a position to share.

********

I care about the truth. If in fact I erred in the description of the
photo
(1.that the photo itself was of participants, white, black & possibly
"coloured" in apartheid-parlance,
2.that the photo appeared in CL during Parr's editorship, and
3.that the caption went beyond mere descrption and editorialized in
favor of the SA status quo),
then I would gladly withdraw the comment and apologize to Parr. But
I'm 99+% sure that my memory is OK on this one.

[politi...@gmail.com]

Parr's editorship was something like January 1985 to March 1988: don't
know if that's his actual tenure or the issues he edited. My guess for
the relevant year (if someone would be so kind as to help): circa 1987.

vol. 42 appears to be missing. There's always microfilm....

http://uiccat.lib.uic.edu/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=1&hd=1,1&CallBrowse=1&SEQ=20050821201549&PID=3708&SID=3

[Tom Martinak]

>3.that the caption went beyond mere descrption and editorialized in
favor of the SA status quo),

There is a photo of 5 players on page 14 of the 9/85 CL with the
caption:

"The South African Chess Association (S.A.C.A.), an organization open
to all races, marked its first anniversary by holding the 2nd National
Open Championships (both individual and team) in Port Elizabeth, South
Afica, over the Easter weekend of April 5-7. The tournament attracted
82 players from seven provinces, and when the last pawn was moved, Dean
Solomons received the Jerome Bibuld Shield upon repeating his 1984
triumph as Open Individual champion. This year's team champion, Western
Province, also repeated as champions from last year. In the above
photograph, the team members are wearing their team blazers. The annual
general meeting of S.A.C.A. featured a moment of silence for recent
victims of apartheid, but much of the meeting's agenda had to be
altered because of a government ban on protest meetings. Still,
elections were held, and prizes were awarded. Among the contributors of
prizes were the U.S. Chess Federation, Mrs. Lisa M. Edmondson, and
international arbiter Jerome Bibuld."

There is a 1/3 page Parr article on page 23 of the 11/85 CL about a
debate between Eddie Price of SACF and Jerome Bibuld. Reads to me
largely as dueling quotes. Only pictures of the two named people
without additional captions.

I didn't notice anything else on the subject, but I can't guarantee
that I disn't miss something. If the above photo is that to which you
were referring, then your characterization of it looks to me to be
incorrect.

- Tom Martinak

[politi...@gmail.com]

Not it.

[parrt...@cs.com]

BROCK'S MAGNIFICENT OBSESSION

>Larry Parr doesn't answer inconvenient questions, either. Create another id for self-glorification, Larry.> Bill Brock

I should be flattered that Bill Brock imagines everyone who
disagrees with him is an apparition of Larry Parr. This obsessed
character is now accusing me of posting here under false pretenses,
using a couple of pseudonyms.

The same offer I made to Taylor Kingston and Neil Brennen is
open to him: a joint lie-detector test. We both put up a reasonably
large sum of money in escrow with an agreed-upon master to dispense the
funds. We agree on a reputable polygraph firm and we take tests based
on these questions:

1. Whether Mr. Brock truly believes his smear against me (which I
believe he does not) and whether he himself has ever appeared here
under pseudonyms.

2. I answer whether I am jr., cynic, Wmiketwo or any other names that
the claque would care to quiz me about.

Simple enough. We can work out the other details about what
precisely constitutes winning and losing the escrow money.

As I see it, in the highly unlikely event that Mr. Brock is making
his charges in
good faith and has never appeared here or at other chess sites as a
pseudonym, then the end result would be a drawn match.

APPEAL TO SLOTHROP

I appeal to Tyrone Slothrop to act as fund-raising co-chairmen for
what would be a wonderful rgcp grudge match between yours truly and
that semi-human mess of pottage out in Chicago, who exchanges grunts
with Stan Booz here on rgcp.

Unlike Taylor Kingston, an evident poltroon with an ego, Mr.
Brock appears to be a bad man with some cajones. He appears to have
lost all sense of shame and pretty much figures himself for what he is.

There is a chance that this guy in his sex-obsessed rages can
be prevailed upon for the match. I think it would get a lot of play on
the major internet sites.

[politi...@gmail.com]

Could you *.pdf to me?

[politi...@gmail.com]

"cajones" (box drums) s/b "cojones" (the things I have)

If I'm sex-obsessed, then precisely what is Sam Sloan's condition?

Feedback effect: I certainly did 90 seconds ago, but your willingness
to take a lie detector test affects my opinion. I felt that Evans was
a *remote* possibility for one of the anons, but on balance, why would
he waste his time here....

And who else in the world follows your career closely enough to agree
with you on *all* the things you care about? These anons lined up
eerily, point by point. If you don't know who they are, either, then
you could Google them and compare for amusement's sake.

If you give me your word as a gentleman, I will accept it. A lie
detector test is not required.

This lie detector routine is old hat. I don't care. We just want
Sloan to stop speculating about the fresh gay blood in town--I have
**no idea** who he's about to attack, but I don't like it.

[Sam Sloan]

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:46:28 -0700, Mike Murray
<mikem...@despammed.com> wrote:

>On 20 Aug 2005 08:49:44 -0700, "politi...@gmail.com"
><politi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Is it true that one of the essay topics for the new College Entrance
>Exam is "Compare and contrast the lifestyles and worldviews of Frank
>Harris, Henry Miller, Sam Sloan and Jean Genet" ?
>
>(Kansas students are allowed to substitute Jimmy Swaggart for any one
>of the above)

At first I thought that this must be a joke but now I am just
wondering.

Is it true or is it not? Do you know?

On a related subject, one of the girls on my girlsgot page sent me an
email last week asking me to take down the link to her personal
website from my page. She said that I could leave her picture up on my
site, just please take down the link, and I have done so.

Sam Sloan

[Sam Sloan]

On 21 Aug 2005 19:55:42 -0700, "politi...@gmail.com"
<politi...@gmail.com> wrote:

>"cajones" (box drums) s/b "cojones" (the things I have)
>
>If I'm sex-obsessed, then precisely what is Sam Sloan's condition?

I am not sex obsessed at all. In fact, I have sex with very few women.

It is just that all of them get pregnant.

Sam Sloan

[Mike Murray]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 03:09:34 GMT, sl...@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan)
wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:46:28 -0700, Mike Murray
><mikem...@despammed.com> wrote:

>>On 20 Aug 2005 08:49:44 -0700, "politi...@gmail.com"
>><politi...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>Is it true that one of the essay topics for the new College Entrance
>>Exam is "Compare and contrast the lifestyles and worldviews of Frank
>>Harris, Henry Miller, Sam Sloan and Jean Genet" ?

>>(Kansas students are allowed to substitute Jimmy Swaggart for any one
>>of the above)

>At first I thought that this must be a joke but now I am just
>wondering.

It was a joke. (Kansas students actually get to substitute the
Biblical character of their choice)

[politi...@gmail.com]

Upon reflection, this almost certainly _is_ it.

It's less unbalanced than I remember it--in fact, only the first
sentence is problematic--but to write "an organization open to all
races" in the context of what Botha was trying to do in 1985--use
formal equality in sports as cover for the continuance of a
watered-down version of the apartheid system--was morally dishonest.
("The USCF, an organization open to all races..."--that should go
without saying, shouldn't it?)

I'd still like to see a scan of this page--a picture is worth one
thousand words.

***

The month preceding the tournament was a violent one in South African
history: 3/17/1985--Seventeen people are killed when police open fire
at the twenty-fifth commemoration of the Sharpeville Massacre
demostration marches in Langa, Port Elizabeth

[parrt...@cs.com]

Does 99+% sure = 2300+ Elo?

<2. that the photo appeared in CL during Parr's editorship, and 3.that

the caption went beyond mere descrption and editorialized in favor of

the SA status quo), then I would gladly withdraw the comment and

apologize to Parr. But I'm 99+% sure that my memory is OK on this one.>

Bill Brock

What is Bill Brock talking about?

I recollect publishing a half dozen pictures of blacks during my
editorship.

There was a picture of Theophilus Thompson and some of Bill
Cosby and other black actors. On one occasion I took a picture or had
Nigel Eddis take one of Jerry Bibuld with a black from Africa, if
memory serves.

The only citation I recollect about South Africa was an article I
wrote on the differing views of Jerry Bibuld and Eddie Price
(headline, something like "Heated Debate On Vexed Question," in the
November 1985 CL). I wrote the caption in question which was mildly
pro-SACA, the organization Jerry Bibuld supported against SACF, of
which Eddie Price was president.

The only time I wrote anything about blacks of any length was an
article in June 1987 about the Bad Bishops team from Philadelphia.
The headline was close to "When Black 'Pawns' Become Mighty, They
Promote More than Themselves."

[politi...@gmail.com]

I owe you an apology, and I apologize. The caption does not meet the
criteria of 3. So much for memory.

[politi...@gmail.com]

Now that I've done that, could you take a look at Sloan's Pokémon porn
pages and let us know what you think?

[politi...@gmail.com]

We never did get an answer from "cynic" (who we are assured is not
Parr) on the matter of Sloan's racism.

[politi...@gmail.com]

Well, jr (who we are assured is not Larry Parr), do you enjoy Sam
Sloan's racism, do you reject it, or...?

[politi...@gmail.com]

Thanks to Tom Martiniak for paging through three years of _Chess Life_
on my behalf. I didn't like the answer, but facts are facts.

[Catalan]

<parrt...@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1124684233....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

> The only time I wrote anything about blacks

You forgot this one.

> "Instead Mr. Cavallo spends his time
> in New Windsor, which is only a few miles south of Newburgh. Newburgh,
> of course, is one of America's most inflamed rat rectums. About half
> its population feeds at the public welfare trough, and parking costs
> about five cents an hour when the meters are not bent at crazy skew-
> wiff angles. One afternoon (not night!) while driving along the main
> street of Newburgh, I witnessed a sight that has remained with me ever
> since. A mammoth black man with muscles the size of the average
> Japanese apartment in Tokyo rammed his chest into a parking meter.
> He was charging it straight on and eventually bent it nearly in half.
> Any of us would have been in the hospital with a broken collar bone or
> a cracked sternum. Such are the street sights of the New Windsor area."
<- L. Parr>

>> Larry won't do that. You see, Larry sees blacks as inferior too. I
>> discovered this when Larry told a story about how while waiting for a
>> light
>> to change in Newburgh, he watched a black man use his chest to bend a
>> parking meter. Not any man, but a BLACK man. Larry found it important to
>> specify that it wasn't a white man but rather a BLACK man that did this
>> childish act of wanton destruction.
>

[parrt...@cs.com]

BROCK'S LAPSE OF MEMORY

>It's less unbalanced than I remember it--in fact, only the first
sentence is problematic--but to write "an organization open to all
races" in the context of what Botha was trying to do in 1985--use
formal equality in sports as cover for the continuance of a
watered-down version of the apartheid system--was morally dishonest.

("The USCF, an organization open to all races..." -- that should go
without saying, shouldn't it?)> Bill Brock

I really can't let pass Bill Brock's final effort to obscure the
point.

The sentence that the poor character quotes below -- "an
organization open to all races" -- refers NOT to the official South
African Chess Federation but to the South African Chess Association
(SACA), which was the dissident, black-led grouping for whom Jerry
Bibuld acted as spokesman.

So if Mr. Brock holds my sentence to be "problematic," he is
actually arguing that the dissident grouping opposing the official
federation (part of Mr. Brock's scenario of what "Botha was trying to
do in 1985") was racialist in some fashion.

We then come to the absurd finale: Mr. Brock is offering an
attenuated defense of the white led South African Chess Federation,
though we grant that he knew not what he was writing.

Mr. Brock not only suffered a lapse of memory, he could not make
sense of the facts after the picture caption was quoted to him!

Whadda cluck.

To the extent that there was bias in my account quoted by Tom
Martinak, it tilted about 60 - 40 toward SACA and away from SACF.
Which is to say,
about 60 - 40 in favor of the Bibuldian view of events in South African
chess.

[Taylor Kingston]

Catalan wrote:
> >> Larry won't do that. You see, Larry sees blacks as inferior too. I
> >> discovered this when Larry told a story about how while waiting for a
> >> light
> >> to change in Newburgh, he watched a black man use his chest to bend a
> >> parking meter. Not any man, but a BLACK man. Larry found it important to
> >> specify that it wasn't a white man but rather a BLACK man that did this
> >> childish act of wanton destruction.

In all fairness, I find it hard to agree that the paragraph below
proves racism on Parr's part. The phrase "mammoth black man" strikes me
as merely a factual description of the meter-bender, no more racist
than saying "a freckle-faced redhead." Had Parr written "a big n**ger"
or some such, then you'd have a point. But he did not.
The sentence "About half its population feeds at the public welfare
trough" does have some resemblance to the sort of coded rhetoric
racists use (e.g. "welfare parasite" = lazy, worthless black), but it's
not at all clear that Parr intended it that way, so I'd have to give
him the benefit of the doubt and take it at face value, as a statement
about Newburgh's economic condition.
I do not know Parr's opinions or feelings on racial issues, but
neither this passage, nor the 1985 Chess Life material cited in this
thread, gives me any reason to think that "Larry sees blacks as
inferior." While it's well known that I am not kindly disposed toward
Parr, I can hardly consider him a racist based on what I've seen here.

[politi...@gmail.com]

Parr is correct; I withdraw my comment completely, and offer a second
apology.

[politi...@gmail.com]

Why do I admit my errors so quickly? Because the truth trumps ego (one
finds this out quickly in post-mortems). Note to self for future: work
from primary sources.

Now, Larry Parr, examine Sam Sloan's Pokémon porn pages and tell us
what you think of them.

[Louis Blair]

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics
From: parrthe...@cs.com (Parrthenon)
Date: 21 Mar 2003 07:28:42 GMT
Subject: Parr on New Windsor

NEWBURGH: TOWN OF BENT PARKING METERS

By Larry Parr

New Windsor is pleasant enough, and the
description of much of the area as rolling farm land
and pleasant homes is not out of place.

The other side of the coin is that just up the
street, a three-minute drive, is Newburgh. A big,
black hole.

I would fault Tim Hanke not for mentioning
shirtless minorities with (rusted) shopping carts but
failing to describe the wildly bent parking meters
along the main street. Do cars bang into them? I
often wondered.

There are also abandoned homes with busted
windows and, pace Eliot, one may hear rats' feet
over broken glass; a school system in which
Negroes terrorize many of the whites; and entire
districts where Negroes may be espied loitering on
streets, leaning against abandoned store fronts and
milling with intent. Although many have been
weakened by the vicissitudes of life, a majority are
what the British used to call "sturdy beggars" and
to be watched carefully. When driving by, you
could see bottles of "fortified" wine, Thunderbird
and Night Train, littering the sidewalks.

The area is one of contrasts.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Catalan]

"Taylor Kingston" <tkin...@chittenden.com> wrote in message
news:1124720850.7...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

>
> Catalan wrote:
>> >> Larry won't do that. You see, Larry sees blacks as inferior too. I
>> >> discovered this when Larry told a story about how while waiting for a
>> >> light
>> >> to change in Newburgh, he watched a black man use his chest to bend a
>> >> parking meter. Not any man, but a BLACK man. Larry found it important
>> >> to
>> >> specify that it wasn't a white man but rather a BLACK man that did
>> >> this
>> >> childish act of wanton destruction.
>
> In all fairness, I find it hard to agree that the paragraph below
> proves racism on Parr's part. The phrase "mammoth black man" strikes me
> as merely a factual description of the meter-bender, no more racist
> than saying "a freckle-faced redhead." Had Parr written "a big n**ger"
> or some such, then you'd have a point. But he did not.

Did you ever see anyone write a mammoth white man? There are reasons to use
modifiers. They include making a specific point. Parr's point was that a
white man has better sense than to do that. This is why blacks should never
have been given equal opportunities...they are a burden unto white folk.
Anyway, that's larry's take. Reinforced by his lack of response which is how
he always ends threads where he has been shown to be wrong.

[Taylor Kingston]

Catalan wrote:
> Did you ever see anyone write a mammoth white man? There are reasons to use
> modifiers. They include making a specific point. Parr's point was that a
> white man has better sense than to do that. This is why blacks should never
> have been given equal opportunities...they are a burden unto white folk.

I have seen white men do things that a planaria knows better than to
try. I still do not agree that your interpretation is necessarily the
only one that passage bears, or the one Parr intended.

> Anyway, that's larry's take. Reinforced by his lack of response which is how
> he always ends threads where he has been shown to be wrong.

The passage quoted by Dr. Blair perhaps lends itself more to your
interpretation, but still does not convince me that Parr's a racist.
Perhaps Larry will deign to clarify? Heck, Larry, we have an historic
occasion here -- I'm taking your side in an argument, or at least
trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.

[Mike Murray]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:46:02 -0400, "Catalan" <x...@nowhere.com> wrote:

>Did you ever see anyone write a mammoth white man?

In countries where the population is mainly white, you'd probably see
examples like "a burly Irishman", or a "big Swede" etc. A writer in
Africa, with an intended audience mainly black, might well use the
equivalent of a "mammoth white man".

[Mike Murray]

On 22 Aug 2005 12:26:23 -0700, "Louis Blair" <lb...@blackburn.edu>
wrote:

> There are also abandoned homes with busted
>windows and, pace Eliot, one may hear rats' feet
>over broken glass; a school system in which
>Negroes terrorize many of the whites; and entire
>districts where Negroes may be espied loitering on
>streets, leaning against abandoned store fronts and
>milling with intent. Although many have been
>weakened by the vicissitudes of life, a majority are
>what the British used to call "sturdy beggars" and
>to be watched carefully. When driving by, you
>could see bottles of "fortified" wine, Thunderbird
>and Night Train, littering the sidewalks.

Do you believe Parr erred or prevaricated in describing this urban
vignette, or that it just wasn't nice to talk about it?

[Catalan]

"Taylor Kingston" <tkin...@chittenden.com> wrote in message

news:1124748041.2...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

LARRY"S DARK SIDE

> I have seen white men do things that a planaria knows better than to
> try.

The bigot doesn't see these kind of things.

> I still do not agree that your interpretation is necessarily the
> only one that passage bears, or the one Parr intended.

You don't huh? Well your boy calls you a liar.

>> Anyway, that's Larry's take. Reinforced by his lack of response which is

>> how
>> he always ends threads where he has been shown to be wrong.

A spooky ending to the many times he's called a spade a hoe.

> The passage quoted by Dr. Blair perhaps lends itself more to your
> interpretation, but still does not convince me that Parr's a racist.

They all look alike to me.

> Perhaps Larry will deign to clarify? Heck, Larry, we have an historic
> occasion here -- I'm taking your side in an argument, or at least
> trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Well we'll well see if you can get him to step and fetch it for us.

[Catalan]

"Mike Murray" <mikem...@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:fqjkg1p632tlqpg8k...@4ax.com...

Larry finds another brother.

[Catalan]

"Mike Murray" <mikem...@despammed.com> wrote in message

news:3okkg15lb6qipk9gm...@4ax.com...

Next you'll be shining Larry's shoes.

[Mike Murray]

You're trying to get me to bend over, aintcha ?

[Mike Murray]

>Larry finds another brother.

It's no use, Stan. You'll never get back on Nick's good side.

[Sam Sloan]

On 22 Aug 2005 12:26:23 -0700, "Louis Blair" <lb...@blackburn.edu>
wrote:

> There are also abandoned homes with busted
>windows and, pace Eliot, one may hear rats' feet
>over broken glass; a school system in which
>Negroes terrorize many of the whites; and entire
>districts where Negroes may be espied loitering on
>streets, leaning against abandoned store fronts and
>milling with intent. Although many have been
>weakened by the vicissitudes of life, a majority are
>what the British used to call "sturdy beggars" and
>to be watched carefully. When driving by, you
>could see bottles of "fortified" wine, Thunderbird
>and Night Train, littering the sidewalks.

When did Larry Parr originally write this? If he wrote it 20 years ago
it would have quite accurately described the neighborhood of East New
York in Brooklyn where I was living one year ago at this time.

I do not see how you can label a purely factual statement as "racist".

If you have never actually been to such neighborhoods, you should keep
your mouth shut.

Sam Sloan

[parrt...@cs.com]

POLITICALLY INCORRECT

< do not see how you can label a purely factual statement as "racist".
If you have never actually been to such neighborhoods, you should keep
your mouth shut.> Sam Sloan

Pace Mike Murray, I am told that Newburgh has
improved a good deal in recent years thanks to
economic development. If true, and I can't confirm it,
my generic description may now be dated, though the
specifics undoubtedly still occur.

The idea behind much of the junk spouted is that
one is not to describe what one sees, leaving out
un-p.c. details.

THE RACE PROBLEM

<Next you'll be shining Larry's shoes.> Stan Booz (Catalan)

Our resident CPA is railing today. I ought not to admit
it, but I am gratified. Instead, the proper attitude
toward our rgcp Caliban would be Christ's sublime
disregard of the demons in Jaime de Cireca's wonderful
canvas, Angels in the Jaws of Hell, which used to hang
in the Museo de Cataluna.

I ran through the postings quickly and am not
certain whether Mr. Booz has Mike Murray or Taylor
Kingston licking my boots or shining my shoes.

Let's have a little elbow-grease, gentlemen. If it
is NM Kingston, I respectfully request that he brush
his teeth and tongue after breakfast. There is a
nasty film of Vermont maple syrup and congealed butter
all over my oxfords. How hideous!

Now, then, my view on America's race problem:
90 percent of the supposedly intractable social
problems could be solved in less than a decade with
laissez faire economics and Christian charity.

If the American imperial regime were to cease
draining society of $2.5 trillion annually -- i.e.,
misallocating an inconceivable mountain of resources
-- there would be an economic renaissance the likes of
which has not been seen since the second half of the
19th century. America has had a second economic
revolution, and most Americans have no conception of
the opportunity costs exacted by the massive central regime.

The first upheaval, the Industrial Revolution,
improved human well-being in every way imaginable.
The second upheaval, the Information Revolution, has
improved productivity but relatively few economic
benefits have accrued in terms of real wages because
the state has consumed the surplus value.

Return surplus value to private hands, and the
race problem might right itself in due course.

[Catalan]

"Sam Sloan" <sl...@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:430aa5e3...@ca.news.verio.net...

>
> On 22 Aug 2005 12:26:23 -0700, "Louis Blair" <lb...@blackburn.edu>
> wrote:

>> There are also abandoned homes with busted
>>windows and, pace Eliot, one may hear rats' feet
>>over broken glass; a school system in which
>>Negroes terrorize many of the whites; and entire
>>districts where Negroes may be espied loitering on
>>streets, leaning against abandoned store fronts and
>>milling with intent. Although many have been
>>weakened by the vicissitudes of life, a majority are
>>what the British used to call "sturdy beggars" and
>>to be watched carefully. When driving by, you
>>could see bottles of "fortified" wine, Thunderbird
>>and Night Train, littering the sidewalks.
>
> When did Larry Parr originally write this? If he wrote it 20 years ago
> it would have quite accurately described the neighborhood of East New
> York in Brooklyn where I was living one year ago at this time.

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics

From: parrthe...@cs.com (Parrthenon)
Date: 21 Mar 2003 07:28:42 GMT
Subject: Parr on New Windsor

> I do not see how you can label a purely factual statement as "racist".

It wasn't written 20 years ago Mr. fact finder.

> If you have never actually been to such neighborhoods, you should keep
> your mouth shut.

Of course you've already been established as a racist.

[Catalan]

<parrt...@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1124772019.8...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

> Let's have a little elbow-grease, gentlemen. If it
> is NM Kingston, I respectfully request that he brush
> his teeth and tongue after breakfast. There is a
> nasty film of Vermont maple syrup and congealed butter
> all over my oxfords. How hideous!

That's not all you've been standing in.

> <snip three paragrapghs that dodge the issue>

>
> Return surplus value to private hands, and the
> race problem might right itself in due course.

The race problem? Kinda like the Jewish problem of 1930s-40s Europe? It's
the blacks problem brought on by beggaring the wealthy industrial barons of
the new order. Despite what Larry's Uncle Tom may have told him, the race
problem is not caused by government taxation, spending, and transfer
payments. It is caused by people that oppress, restrict, and denigrate a
people for no other reason then that they can be easily singled out. Shame,
shame, shame.

[Taylor Kingston]

parrt...@cs.com wrote:
> Let's have a little elbow-grease, gentlemen. If it
> is NM Kingston, I respectfully request that he brush
> his teeth and tongue after breakfast. There is a
> nasty film of Vermont maple syrup and congealed butter
> all over my oxfords. How hideous!

Hmph. I try to give Larry a break, and he responds with puerile
insult. What a guy.

> Now, then, my view on America's race problem:
> 90 percent of the supposedly intractable social
> problems could be solved in less than a decade with
> laissez faire economics and Christian charity.

I seem to recall we had a lot more of both around 150 years ago. I
seem to recall that racial problems were much more severe then, too.

> Return surplus value to private hands, and the
> race problem might right itself in due course.

It would appear that Larry is as much of a rigid ideologue as any
Marxist.

[politi...@gmail.com]

Is it a purely factual statement, Sam Sloan, that (quoting your words)
"[w]hat Japanese Girls in America share in common is that All of them
have been fucked by a Nigger, except for a few of those who just got
here recently"? http://tinyurl.com/bj2rp

Larry Parr (and jr and cynic), is this a purely factual statement? Do
y'all subscribe to the worldview painted by Sloan at
http://tinyurl.com/aosmw ?

[jr]

"Hmph. I try to give Larry a break, and he responds with puerile

insult. What a guy." Taylor Kingston

Gee, Larry, please be kinder. All this cur ever wanted from you was a
pat on the head.

Now can we get back to nature (Natrol) and the misdeeds of the
Marinello administration?

[politi...@gmail.com]

<<Gee, Larry, please be kinder. All this cur ever wanted from you was a

pat on the head.>>

http://tinyurl.com/85x9k

[politi...@gmail.com]

http://tinyurl.com/846vp

Others use "cur," but the construction with a definite article or
pronoun ("the cur / this cur") is less popular.

[Vince Hart]

In the United States, the laissez-faire economics of the late 19th
century saw tremendous concentration of wealth in the hands of a few
(many of who made their fortunes sucking at the government teat, e.g.,
the railroad magnates who benefited from huge government land grants
and generous government financing), tremendous concentrations of
political power in the hands of those wealthy few (undermining the
democratic process), and frequent boom/bust cycles. Racism towards
American Indians, Blacks and Asians flourished during the period.

Vince Hart

[politi...@gmail.com]

Hmm, you can't answer direct questions regarding Sloan's character, jr?
Neither can Parr.

[parrt...@cs.com]

HISTORICAL ILLITERACY

<laissez faire economics and Christian charity... seem to recall we had

a lot more of both around 150 years ago. I seem to recall that racial

problems were much more severe then, too.> Taylor Kingston

More historical illiteracy from Taylor
Kingston. His 150 years ago puts us into the period
of Southern feudalism and slavery. Feudalism and
slavery are the near antithesis of laissez faire and
Christian charity.

I recommend that Mr. Kingston read Louis
Hartz's splendid and influential The Liberal Tradition
in America. He will thereby discover the difference
between the thinking of the Southern chivalry and its
philosophers and that of, say, a Carl Schurz or a
James J. Hill. The idea that, say, there is an
identity of thinking between an Andrew Carnegie and a
John C. Calhoun is often played upon by either
semi-literate or highly political liberals, though the
latter, at least, know that Marx himself would be
spinning in his grave at confounding feudalism with
capitalism.

One of the better accessible works of economic
history is Robert Higgs' The Economic Transformation
of the United States, 1865 - 1914, an analysis of the
growth in human well-being over a 50 year period when
government in the United States spent about one
percent of the GNP as opposed to nearly half of the
GDP at the current time.

Real wages rose at a compounded rate of about
eight percent over 50 years. The price index, if put
at 100 in 1865, was 40 on the eve of World War I.
America went from what would today be regarded as a
rather poor Third World country to a majority middle
class society. Since the late 1960s, real wages have
been stagnant in the United States.

The opportunity cost being exacted from
Americans today, who are increasingly like serfs in
feudal times, is immense. They know it not, since the
entire concept of opportunity cost in economics is
foreign to them. The basic idea stateside is to have
a market-based economy which keeps people working hard
(the problem with socialism, the liberal left has
decided, is that it consumes more wealth than it
creates, eventually destroying the state apparatus
when the economy collapses) and then tax away
significant percentages which keeps a politically
significant percentage of people dependent on the
state and even grateful for receiving back in payment
a small percentage of the taxes paid

The race problem in America is one of margins.
If one returns to private hands the $2.5 trillion in
resources claimed annually by the American central
regime for war and waste, the investment boom would
suck up the margins like a vacuum-cleaner of human
prosperity.

[parrt...@cs.com]

SAM'S CHARACTER

<Hmm, you can't answer direct questions regarding Sloan's character,

jr? Neither can Parr.> Bill Brock

Au contraire.

I have commented here on Sam's character and ways in the past, blaming
him pretty much for most of his own problems in life. Google it.

But I also tried to be objective. So far as I can see, Sam is
silver sterling when assayed alongside either Bill Brock and Stan Booz,
if truthfulness and the decency of human emotion are the criteria.

And he is solid gold when balanced against 2300+ Elo Taylor
Kingston on a scale of forthrightness and courage.

[politi...@gmail.com]

Pokémon porn? Go there, girlfriend.

[Catalan]

<parrt...@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1124867365.9...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

> But I also tried to be objective. So far as I can see, Sam is
> silver sterling when assayed alongside either Bill Brock and Stan Booz,
> if truthfulness and the decency of human emotion are the criteria.
>
> And he is solid gold when balanced against 2300+ Elo Taylor
> Kingston on a scale of forthrightness and courage.

Well that pretty much sums it all up. S/B filed under Parr's credibility.

[Taylor Kingston]

parrt...@cs.com wrote:
> HISTORICAL ILLITERACY
>
> <laissez faire economics and Christian charity... seem to recall we had
> a lot more of both around 150 years ago. I seem to recall that racial
> problems were much more severe then, too.> Taylor Kingston
>
> More historical illiteracy from Taylor
> Kingston. His 150 years ago puts us into the period
> of Southern feudalism and slavery. Feudalism and
> slavery are the near antithesis of laissez faire and
> Christian charity.

Why assume I was talking about the South? And my comment also applies
to, say, 100 years ago, well after slavery was abolished.

> The idea that, say, there is an
> identity of thinking between an Andrew Carnegie and a
> John C. Calhoun is often played upon by either
> semi-literate or highly political liberals, though the
> latter, at least, know that Marx himself would be
> spinning in his grave at confounding feudalism with
> capitalism.

Larry, along with your habitual straw-man tactics, among your more
endearing traits are your smug, preening, patronizing,
self-congratulatory displays of pseudo-erudition. Now, if you want to
believe that America's racial problems stem from economic systems, you
have that right. However, the rest of us have the right to consider you
an overinflated gasbag.

[Catalan]

"Taylor Kingston" <tkin...@chittenden.com> wrote in message

news:1124889623....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> parrt...@cs.com wrote:
>> HISTORICAL ILLITERACY

> Larry, along with your habitual straw-man tactics, among your more
> endearing traits are your smug, preening, patronizing,
> self-congratulatory displays of pseudo-erudition. Now, if you want to
> believe that America's racial problems stem from economic systems, you
> have that right. However, the rest of us have the right to consider you
> an overinflated gasbag.

Now you're infringing on my territory with your scatological symbolism. Keep
in mind that Larry swears Stalin didn't kill the blacks in the USSR in 1937
because he (Stalin) died in 1953. What next? Will Larry argue that Hitler
never personally killed any Jews so therefore the Holocaust never happened?

[Chess One]

I have scarcely read any posts in this newsgroup which contain in their
obvert, and in their evident submersion, such witless deprecations. It is
not as if the pseudo-anon Catalan, whose real name is Stan Booz, but for
reasons best known to himself cannot sign his posts not admit what role he
plays in his own commentary...

... writing entirely without irony of the force of that place [Catalonia] or
its stance in history of European culture, should speculate upon history to
such a psychologically inane and impotent effect, but that he should propose
as his strawman someone who could teach him a lesson in history and indeed
in communicating it.

That this person should have recently been the *special* advisor to the
board of USCF is as propitious as if I said that daffy-duck held the same
post, or maybe Eyeore.

USCF central has been informed by such stuff - and this gentlemen, alack no
ladies, is the state of the art which governs chess in the most powerful and
richest country in the world.

It happens because of a certain weakness by those whose need is to govern by
any means whatever in an increasing shrinking pool, even to complete rural
obscurity.

Phil Innes

"Catalan" <x...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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[Taylor Kingston]

Um, Stan, there was nothing "scatological" in my post. Also I think
you misapprehend Parr on the issue cited above.

[jame...@aol.com]

Phil - You really should be, if you are not already, a College Dean. I
have not seen such a great example of Deanspeak (a phrase coined by a
friend of mine) in many ages. It is really great to see someone who can
construct so many paragraphs in a row that portend to tell so much, but
actually tell nothing at all.

Pseudo-anon is a classic pseudo-word. All that means is that he is
*not* anonymous, correct?

Everytime that picture on my screensaver of John Hurt playing chess in
that cafe in the film version of "1984" pops up, I think of you.
EastAsia is at war with Oceania. EastAsia has always been at war with
Oceania. etc. etc.

Thanks for the great entertainment. Why don't you publish such
delicacies with the Parrot?

[The Historian]

jame...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Thanks for the great entertainment. Why don't you publish such
> delicacies with the Parrot?

I'd like to think of the Parrot as chess literature's answer to the
passenger pigeon.

[Catalan]

What exactly are you babbling on about?

"Chess One" <inn...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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[Catalan]

"Taylor Kingston" <tkin...@chittenden.com> wrote in message

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>> > Larry, along with your habitual straw-man tactics, among your more
>> > endearing traits are your smug, preening, patronizing,
>> > self-congratulatory displays of pseudo-erudition. Now, if you want to
>> > believe that America's racial problems stem from economic systems, you
>> > have that right. However, the rest of us have the right to consider you
>> > an overinflated gasbag.
>>
>> Now you're infringing on my territory with your scatological symbolism.
>> Keep
>> in mind that Larry swears Stalin didn't kill the blacks in the USSR in
>> 1937
>> because he (Stalin) died in 1953. What next? Will Larry argue that Hitler
>> never personally killed any Jews so therefore the Holocaust never
>> happened?
>
> Um, Stan, there was nothing "scatological" in my post. Also I think
> you misapprehend Parr on the issue cited above.

At least someone got my point. My humble interpretation of Larry's rhetoric.
BTW beware of methane gasbags. Highly flammable.

[Catalan]

Now I get it. It is Phil doing Larry.

"Chess One" <inn...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>

[The Historian]

Catalan wrote:
> What exactly are you babbling on about?

I think Chess One is upset you are not posting under your own name, as
he is.

[The Historian]

Catalan wrote:
> Now I get it. It is Phil doing Larry.

Who is on top?

[parrt...@cs.com]

GUESS WHO'S COMING TO DINNER

>Now, if you want to believe that America's racial problems stem from economic systems, you have that right. However, the rest of us have the right to consider you an overinflated gasbag.> Taylor Kingston

2300+ ELO Grand Coulee, NM Taylor Kingston, the man who
heliumized his chess rating with 500 points of vapor, is calling this
writer a gasbag filled to overflowing.

Well, right. The man occasionally gets a penprick on target.

But not his history.

He knows little of that, and he appears to imagine that mentioning
the distinction between feudalism and its antithesis capitalism, which
is the supersedure of barons by bourgeois, to be sufficiently precious
as to merit the predictable insult of pseudo-erudition.

SIDNEY POITIER IS OKAY

And, yes, I do think that the race problem ultimately comes
down to economics and class.

The classic question asked by parents when hearing that their
daughter might be marrying a Negro is, "Okay darling, what are we
talking about here? Is he a nigger with a ghetto-blaster or a colored
gentlemen with a doctor's bag?"

That question pretty much sums up the common sense of the matter in
the vast majority of instances.

[parrt...@cs.com]

OUR SERIAL LIAR

<Now you're infringing on my territory with your scatological
symbolism. Keep in mind that Larry swears Stalin didn't kill the blacks
in the USSR in 1937 because he (Stalin) died in 1953. What next? Will
Larry argue that Hitler never personally killed any Jews so therefore

the Holocaust never happened?> Stan Booz (Catalan)

>That this person should have recently been the *special* advisor to the board of USCF is as propitious as if I said that daffy-duck held the same post, or maybe Eyeore.> Phil Innes

Perhaps Stan Booz might write Homage to Cataloonya?

One hopes that this serial liar is not as awful in real life as
he portrays himself on this forum.

I obviously got under Mr. Booz's scales with my cultural
pretensions. If it would make the chapster feel any better, I have sat
over here in bars swilling Maekhong with military types while a snake
was wrapped around my arm. It is not my preferred pastime, but I
believe in both the utility and even value of such.

[politi...@gmail.com]

Google isn't worlking for me, Larry. Could you show me where you
commented on the *contents* of this Sam Sloan page WRT Sloan's
character? (I note that you have previously acknowledged the
*existence* of this and similar pages.)

http://www.samsloan.com/pokeplot.htm

Same question for this page?

http://www.shamema.com/pokepoll.htm

[politi...@gmail.com]

**reposted to correct typo; original to be removed from Google cache**

<<2300+ ELO Grand Coulee, NM Taylor Kingston, the man who

heliumized his chess rating with 500 points of vapor [...]>>

Sam Sloan claims to be a former master. I am unaware of his having a
published ELO rating above 2200 in any national federation.

Could you look into this matter, Larry?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sam_Sloan

Sloan: [After correctly objectiing that his felony convictions were not
for
kidnapping...] Also, although it is true that right now I am rated as
a Class A player, I was a rated expert or master for 40 years and I
recently defeated Bill Brock, a rated expert and former master, in a
chess match with a $1000 stake. Thus, it is generally accepted as
correct to refer to me as a chess master even though my current rating
has fallen to Class A.

Brock: Factually incorrect about Bill Brock, whose peak was rating is
2170 [sic], and therefore makes no claims to be a master.

[Tom Martinak]

>Sam Sloan claims to be a former master. I am
>unaware of his having a published ELO rating
>above 2200 in any national federation.

I only have USCF records back to 1973 (and only the annual supplements
- so ratings can fluctuate over the course of a year). Also the highest
rating information may not include pre-computerization ratings.

Sloan, Sam 11115292
1973 None
1974 1981 Samuel NY
1975 1965 Samuel H VA
1976 1932 NY
1977 2007
1978 2025
1979 1913C (C means highest class was over 1999 but not over 2199)
1980 1947C
1981 2058P (P means highest rating was over 1999 but not over 2099)
1982 2085P VA
1983 None
1984 None
1985 2076*20 CA (*20 means highest rating was 20??)
1986 2126*21 VA (*21 means highest rating was 21??)
1987 None
1988 2130*21 FO (FO is foreign)
1989 2052*21
1990 None
1991 2006*21 VA

>From 1992 on, it is available at:
http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlRtgSupp.php?11115292

So if he was ever a USCF National Master it had to be prior to 1973.

- Tom Martinak

[Taylor Kingston]

parrt...@cs.com wrote:
> GUESS WHO'S COMING TO DINNER
>
> >Now, if you want to believe that America's racial problems stem from economic systems, you have that right. However, the rest of us have the right to consider you an overinflated gasbag.> Taylor Kingston
>
> 2300+ ELO Grand Coulee, NM Taylor Kingston, the man who
> heliumized his chess rating with 500 points of vapor, is calling this
> writer a gasbag filled to overflowing.

Indeed I am, Larry -- a hot air mass to rival anything out of the
Sahara or Washington DC.
Now, I should not have to keep reminding you, but my NM rating was
not a vaporous fantasy, but was an official fact published in your very
own magazine (Chess Life Postal Master list, 4/1985). Unlike,
apparently, the "master" title claimed by your esteemed ally Sam Sloan.
While we're on the subject of inflated résumés, Larry, maybe you
will be so kind as to decide something for me. At my local chess club
in Burlington, Vermont, we have had members from many nations --
Russians, Bosnians, Armenians, Czechs, Canadians (both English- and
French-speaking), a Moldovan, a Lithuanian, a Georgian, and other
nationalities. We hold many Swiss-system tournaments. Sometimes, when
the very strongest members have not played, I have managed to win some
of these tournaments. Can I therefore rightly claim to have "won an
international tournament"?

[politi...@gmail.com]

http://www.game-tricks.net/viewtopic-312236.html

[Vince Hart]

parrt...@cs.com wrote:

> SIDNEY POITIER IS OKAY
>
> And, yes, I do think that the race problem ultimately comes
> down to economics and class.
>
> The classic question asked by parents when hearing that their
> daughter might be marrying a Negro is, "Okay darling, what are we
> talking about here? Is he a nigger with a ghetto-blaster or a colored
> gentlemen with a doctor's bag?"
>
> That question pretty much sums up the common sense of the matter in
> the vast majority of instances.

You got to love Larry's idea of "common sense." Personally, I doubt
that any parent who framed the question that way would ever be able to
sufficiently overcome their fear of the former to accept the latter.

Vince Hart