Will Tim Hanke actually take his seat on the USCF Executive Board?
Sam Sloan
As soon as it became apparent that Tim Hanke had won election to the
USCF Executive Board, somebody asked whether Hanke would be willing to
serve since, during the election campaign, Hanke had not seemed
serious about wanting to be elected.
Indeed, throughout the campaign, Hanke had constantly made racist,
sexist, obscene and derogatory remarks, the kind of remarks that
nobody makes who wants to be elected. It seemed apparent that Hanke
was running as a lark. He was not running as a serious candidate.
Now that Hanke has won the election, he is suddenly complaining that
he wants his expenses paid, including his airplane ticket and hotel
bills for a week of delegate meetings next month. Apparently, Hanke
did not realize that he is running for a VOLUNTEER POSITION. Delegates
do not have, and have never had, their expenses paid.
Probably one reason Hanke did not know this is that he has never
attended a USCF meeting of any kind. Hanke did not even attend the
2001 USCF Delegate's meeting in Boston, although he lives in Boston.
Had Hanke ever attended a meeting, he would know that these meetings
are attended by more than one hundred delegates, none of whom have any
of their expenses paid.
Ever since winning the election on Wednesday, Hanke has been calling
the USCF offices asking to be provided with airplane tickets to fly to
Los Angeles. He has made it clear that he will not attend the meetings
unless his expenses are paid.
Let me make this clear, Mr. Hanke: You have been elected to a
volunteer position with a four year term of office. This is only the
beginning. The Executive Board will meet four times a year for the
next four years. Each of those meetings will last two or three days.
You will be expected to attend those meetings. You will not be
compensated for your time in attending those meetings. Some of your
expenses will be paid, but not all of your expenses. You will never be
paid in advance of the meetings. You will be required to pay your own
expenses, and then apply for reimbursement. You will be reimbursed if
and only if the secretary signs off that you are entitled to
reimbursement.
You cannot expect to come out ahead on this deal. Your incentive for
serving on the board will be your love of chess and your interest in
the development of chess. You are expected to spend both your time and
your money for these purposes, without compensation.
If you did not understand this, you should not have run for this
election. Now that you do understand this, you should decline the
office unless you are prepared to serve under these conditions.
Here are some recent quotes from Tim Hanke on this subject:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:14:56 -0400, in rec.games.chess.politics "Tim
Hanke" <webm...@scleroderma.org> wrote:
>The frigging process as it stands now is far from reasonable.
>
>This morning I talked to Barb Vandermark, Frank Niro's assistant. I asked
>her (among other questions) when I would hear anything official from USCF
>about my election to the Board.
>
>She said my election wouldn't be official till the Delegates ratify the
>election. This won't happen till just before the new Board meets on August
>11. Obviously I will have to buy plane tickets to L.A. weeks before that, if
>I am to get any kind of reasonable price and arrive on time for the meeting.
>
>But wait, there's more. Because I won't be a Board member till the Delegates
>ratify the election results, USCF (per USCF President John McCrary, whom
>Barb consulted) won't pay my expenses before that date. Till August 10 or
>so, I'm a non-person as far as USCF is concerned.
>
>Problem is, all the USCF committee meetings (Financial Committee, Bylaws,
>etc.), where the real work gets done, are scheduled for *before* the
>Delegates meeting. So if I want to participate in any of the real work of
>the USCF's annual meeting, I will have to pay the cost of several days of
>hotel & meals.
>
>This does not exactly encourage me to attend the committee meetings and hit
>the ground running, fully-informed and knowing all the key people, when the
>new Board finally meets.
>
>Meanwhile, all the members of the lame-duck Board are fully covered for
>their expenses throughout the committee meetings, even if they will not be
>on the Board any longer when the Board actually meets Aug. 11.
>
>To me, this is all frigging ridiculous. I am fully prepared to give up my
>hard-earned vacation time to help the USCF, but I was expecting at least to
>get reimbursed for major out-of-pocket expenses. As a working person, my
>time is money; I am also giving up my family vacation.
>
>Tim Hanke
On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:55:54 -0400, in rec.games.chess.politics "Tim
Hanke" <webm...@scleroderma.org> wrote:
>But if I hadn't been elected, I would certainly not be using my hard-earned
>summer vacation to travel across the continent to L.A., without my family,
>at my own expense. I mean, let's be realistic. I'm only going to this thing
>if I have a role to play.
>
>Tim Hanke
Tim Hanke
>
> Indeed, throughout the campaign, Hanke had constantly made racist,
> sexist, obscene and derogatory remarks, the kind of remarks that
> nobody makes who wants to be elected. It seemed apparent that Hanke
> was running as a lark. He was not running as a serious candidate.
False.
> Delegates
> do not have, and have never had, their expenses paid.
False. Please note: I am a Board member, not a Delegate. The USCF Office
told me Board members are eligible for expense reimbursement, but not till
they take office.
> Probably one reason Hanke did not know this is that he has never
> attended a USCF meeting of any kind. Hanke did not even attend the
> 2001 USCF Delegate's meeting in Boston, although he lives in Boston.
> Had Hanke ever attended a meeting, he would know that these meetings
> are attended by more than one hundred delegates, none of whom have any
> of their expenses paid.
I am not a DELEGATE, you idiot.
> Ever since winning the election on Wednesday, Hanke has been calling
> the USCF offices asking to be provided with airplane tickets to fly to
> Los Angeles.
False again. I called the USCF once, and I did not ask "to be provided with
plane tickets" or anything else. I merely asked what the policy was.
> He has made it clear that he will not attend the meetings
> unless his expenses are paid.
False. I never said that, and I plan to attend the meetings whether my
expenses are paid or not.
Sam, I'm sorry for your unhappiness over the election results. But surely
you knew your chances were minimal. It's time for you to pull yourself
together and move on.
Tim Hanke
Sam Sloan
<timoth...@comcast.net> wrote:
>"Sam Sloan" <sl...@ishipress.com> wrote ...
>>
>> Indeed, throughout the campaign, Hanke had constantly made racist,
>> sexist, obscene and derogatory remarks, the kind of remarks that
>> nobody makes who wants to be elected. It seemed apparent that Hanke
>> was running as a lark. He was not running as a serious candidate.
>
>False.
Louis Blair, I am sure, will provide us with 50 direct quotes where
you made racist, sexist, obscene and derogatory remarks, during the
election campaign. I do not have time to look them up, but here is one
example:
From: Tim Hanke (timh...@streetfighterpress.com)
Subject: Re: Yo Candidate Hanke
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics
Date: 2003-01-30 18:45:52 PST
P.S. I am shocked and appalled that a thread with my name on it has
degenerated into a discussion of strippers and copulation with young
girls. Shocked and appalled. We might as well stop discussing chess
politics and start mud-wrestling.
I call I get to mud-wrestle with Beatriz.
Tim Hanke
--
I am a candidate for the U.S. Chess Federation Executive Board in the
2003 election. Please visit my website at http://www.timothyhanke.net.
>> Delegates do not have, and have never had, their expenses paid.
>
>False. Please note: I am a Board member, not a Delegate. The USCF Office
>told me Board members are eligible for expense reimbursement, but not till
>they take office.
You are just amazing. You are not a member of the Board, and you know
it. You will not become a member of the board until August 11 and then
only provided that the delegates certify the election results. Based
upon your conduct since winning the election, I think it is possible
that the delegates will refuse to certify your election.
>> Probably one reason Hanke did not know this is that he has never
>> attended a USCF meeting of any kind. Hanke did not even attend the
>> 2001 USCF Delegate's meeting in Boston, although he lives in Boston.
>> Had Hanke ever attended a meeting, he would know that these meetings
>> are attended by more than one hundred delegates, none of whom have any
>> of their expenses paid.
>
>I am not a DELEGATE, you idiot.
If you are not even a delegate, then why do you expect your air fare
and hotel expenses and meals to be paid so that you can attend the
meetings?
>> Ever since winning the election on Wednesday, Hanke has been calling
>> the USCF offices asking to be provided with airplane tickets to fly to
>> Los Angeles.
>
>False again. I called the USCF once, and I did not ask "to be provided with
>plane tickets" or anything else. I merely asked what the policy was.
If you were running for election, you should have known what the
policy was. All of the other candidates knew it.
>> He has made it clear that he will not attend the meetings
>> unless his expenses are paid.
>
>False. I never said that, and I plan to attend the meetings whether my
>expenses are paid or not.
This is certainly not suggested by your remarks.
>Sam, I'm sorry for your unhappiness over the election results. But surely
>you knew your chances were minimal. It's time for you to pull yourself
>together and move on.
>
>Tim Hanke
This is not about the election. I knew that with the host of heavy
weights attacking me, including Jim Eade, Al Lawrence, Bill Goichberg,
John Fernandez, Bruce Draney, George John, Stan Booz, Neil Brennen,
Tom Klem, Richard Peterson and several others who attacked me
relentlessly, my chances of winning were not that good. However,
several of those who attacked me did not attack you because they
thought that you had no chance to be elected. They are probably having
second thoughts now, especially Jim Eade, who must not have
appreciated your frequent comments suggesting sex with his wife's
sister.
Sam Sloan
Tim Hanke
> that the delegates will refuse to certify your election.
BWAHAHAHAHA
From all the evidence I have seen, I think it is remarkable you were even
certified as a candidate.
You are going back in my killfile now, but it's been fun reading your
interesting point of view. :-)
Tim Hanke
ASCACHESS
>You are going back in my killfile now, but it's been fun reading your
>interesting point of view. :-)
>
>Tim Hanke
Kilfiling Sam Sloan is the heart of wisdom.
Spam Scone
> Will Tim Hanke actually take his seat on the USCF Executive Board?
Yes.
> As soon as it became apparent that Tim Hanke had won election to the
> USCF Executive Board, somebody...
Most probably Sam Sloan.
...asked whether Hanke would be willing to
> serve since, during the election campaign, Hanke had not seemed
> serious about wanting to be elected.
Snip Sam Sloan drivel.
Chris
May I suggest just ignoring Sam. I know when someone makes accusations that
you may feel compelled to defend yourself. In Sam's case I would just
ignore him. By defending yourself you truly are sinking to his level.
Chris
"Tim Hanke" <timoth...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:JbySa.92577$GL4.26186@rwcrnsc53...
Paul Rubin
> Apparently, Hanke did not realize that he is running for a VOLUNTEER
> POSITION. Delegates do not have, and have never had, their expenses
> these meetings are attended by more than one hundred delegates, none
> of whom have any of their expenses paid.
Hanke ran and was elected to the EB, not the Delegates. Whether Delegates
get expenses paid is irrelevant.
What has the past practice been about EB members (not Delegates) getting
expenses? I seem to remember hearing about other EB members getting
quite a few expenses reimbursed in the past, as well as stuff like
fax machines paid for.
Paul Rubin
> From all the evidence I have seen, I think it is remarkable you were even
> certified as a candidate.
I think few people would deny that Sam is certifiable.
Russ Chewning a.k.a. Pogue
I hardly EVER post to the group, but let me make my stance
abundantly clear. I voted for Tim because he seems to be a person who
has the best interests of chess in mind. It really was a toss up
between him and you. Why did I not pick you? Because your people
skills are ABSOLUTELY ATROCIOUS. Having read only a few of your
posts, you strike me as a sad sad person who likes to attack others,
likes to brag, and thinks little of other people's opinions. You did
have some good ideas for the USCF, but you would have driven the other
Board members nuts, and they would have hated you, and you would have
gotten no work done.
Now, you lost.. Get over it. If you ever aspire to making a
change in the USCF, you really need to sit back and take a look at the
stuff you post on here. Conspiracy theories, personal attacks, etc.
Get...a...life...
Pogue
sl...@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<3f1aa6ef...@ca.news.verio.net>...
George John
"Chris" <ch...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:iLzSa.6542$R46....@fe3.columbus.rr.com...
-snip-
> May I suggest just ignoring Sam. I know when someone makes accusations
that
> you may feel compelled to defend yourself. In Sam's case I would just
> ignore him. By defending yourself you truly are sinking to his level.
I think this is generally good advice. But my concern has been how many
readers will accept these "fantasies" as "facts", especially newbie's who
haven't learned that certain posters have a longstanding history of
frequently posting "facts" that are grossly misleading, grossly distorted,
and flat out wrong.
Some of these "facts" have been directed at me over the years. I have
largely ignore them, but not completely. What is in some ways most annoying
is that once a "fact" has been demonstrated as false, it all too often
reappears later as a "fact". It makes me think that the poster is either a
pathological liar, has a poor memory, or has a poor grasp of reality.
-snip-
George
Bruce Draney
Actually George, no one listens to you, because you were killed several
months ago in a car crash in Budapest, Hungary, while analyzing a chess
position in the back of a taxi. Didn't you hear about it?
Best Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Draney
>
> Sam,
>
> I hardly EVER post to the group, but let me make my stance
> abundantly clear. I voted for Tim because he seems to be a person who
> has the best interests of chess in mind. It really was a toss up
> between him and you. Why did I not pick you? Because your people
> skills are ABSOLUTELY ATROCIOUS. Having read only a few of your
> posts, you strike me as a sad sad person who likes to attack others,
> likes to brag, and thinks little of other people's opinions. You did
> have some good ideas for the USCF, but you would have driven the other
> Board members nuts, and they would have hated you, and you would have
> gotten no work done.
>
> Now, you lost.. Get over it. If you ever aspire to making a
> change in the USCF, you really need to sit back and take a look at the
> stuff you post on here. Conspiracy theories, personal attacks, etc.
>
> Get...a...life...
>
> Pogue
>
Actually, he's never been better. Other than these few small flaws
though, wouldn't you say he's an all around great guy?
Best Regards,
Bruce
Sam Sloan
<http://phr...@NOSPAM.invalid> wrote:
What I believe you are referring to is an incident back in about 1998
when Tom Dorsch complained that the USCF has purchased a FAX machine
for Rachel Lieberman, who was USCF Secretary for six years.
Rachel Liebeman of course needed a FAX machine because as USCF
Secretary she was sending and receiving FAXes all the time. Buying her
a FAX machine was a minor expense, considering the amount of time and
work she was providing FREE OF CHARGE.
The fact that this created a big controversy illustrates the fact that
Board members do not always get their expenses paid. Also, they never
get their expenses paid before the event. They have to lay out the
money and then apply for reimbursement, which is sometimes given and
sometimes not. Reimbursement must be approved by the USCF Treasurer,
who is Frank Camaratta at present. Do you think that Camaratta is
going to give Hanke the money he wants?
It is outrageous and unprecedented that Tim Hanke would ask to be paid
even before he is on the Board. Nobody has ever done that before.
Sam Sloan
Paul Rubin
> >What has the past practice been about EB members (not Delegates) getting
> >expenses? I seem to remember hearing about other EB members getting
> >quite a few expenses reimbursed in the past, as well as stuff like
> >fax machines paid for.
>
> What I believe you are referring to is an incident back in about 1998
> when Tom Dorsch complained that the USCF has purchased a FAX machine
> for Rachel Lieberman, who was USCF Secretary for six years.
The fax machine I was thinking about went to Don Schultz. I'm not
claiming anything was wrong with that.
Spam Scone
> weights attacking me, including Jim Eade, Al Lawrence, Bill Goichberg,
> John Fernandez, Bruce Draney, George John, Stan Booz, Neil Brennen,
> Tom Klem, Richard Peterson and several others who attacked me
> relentlessly, my chances of winning were not that good.
Is there any other cause that could serve to unite Jim Eade, Al
Lawrence, Bill Goichberg, John Fernandez, Bruce Draney, George John,
Stan Booz, Neil Brennen, Tom Klem, and Richard Peterson?
BTW, I don't think the term "heavy weights" applies to James Eade or
George John - they both look pretty fit. Stan's OK as well.
However,
> several of those who attacked me did not attack you because they
> thought that you had no chance to be elected.
And you know this how?
They are probably having
> second thoughts now, especially Jim Eade, who must not have
> appreciated your frequent comments suggesting sex with his wife's
> sister.
> Sam Sloan
This should be amusing, watching Sam Sloan try to make common cause
with James Eade. That should happen about the same time I buy an
interest in Phil Innes' sensory boards.
StanB
"George John" <geo...@neosoft.com> wrote in message
news:ZjASa.90398$hV.64...@twister.austin.rr.com...
> Some of these "facts" have been directed at me over the years. I have
> largely ignore them, but not completely. What is in some ways most
annoying
> is that once a "fact" has been demonstrated as false, it all too often
> reappears later as a "fact". It makes me think that the poster is either
a
> pathological liar, has a poor memory, or has a poor grasp of reality.
Sam subscribes to the Larry Parr school of journalism. Allude to something
and later on treat it as a given.
StanB
George John
"Sam Sloan" <sl...@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:3f1ade93...@ca.news.verio.net...
Sam,
-snip-
> It is outrageous and unprecedented that Tim Hanke would ask to be paid
> even before he is on the Board. Nobody has ever done that before.
The training and development of new Board members SHOULD be a priority of
the USCF. We WANT Tim at those workshops, especially the Finance Workshop.
We want him at the Board of Delegate meeting. He should be and I totally
expect will be devoting his time for free far over and above the typical
delegate . I think the USCF paying for his reasonable expenses associated
with his Board service and that includes his flying in just before the time
the new Board is seated.
The fact that this is even an issue for Tim or any new board member
demonstrates just how incredibly FUBAR the USCF is. It's really very sad.
-snip-
George
George John
-snip-
> I think the USCF paying for his reasonable expenses associated
> with his Board service and that includes his flying in just before the
time
> the new Board is seated.
What I meant to say is the USCF should not only pay for his flight to Los
Angeles, but also all reasonable expenses associated with his flying in
early so that he can attend the key workshops that all Board members should
(but do not always) attend.
George
Mhoulsby
>Date: 20/07/03 17:50 GMT Daylight Time
>Message-id: <iLzSa.6542$R46....@fe3.columbus.rr.com>
>
>Tim,
>
>May I suggest just ignoring Sam. I know when someone makes accusations that
>you may feel compelled to defend yourself. In Sam's case I would just
>ignore him. By defending yourself you truly are sinking to his level.
>
>Chris
You're posting this to Hanke, who *starts* troll threads?
Notice how Hanke begins this troll post with the words:
' The Internet Stalker "Nick" '
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1A123555
The Internet Stalker "Nick" <nickbo...@hotmail.com> wrote ...
>
> Lately, Tim Hanke has been insisting to me that he adheres to 'the rules
> of these newsgroups' by writing posts only about chess subjects.
Nick,
I never said that. As usual, you are not being truthful. Your nose must be a
yard long by now.
The truth is, I *often* write on subjects related to the newsgroups I post
on, whereas you *rarely* do. Your chess newsgroup posts probably break down
like this:
66% Attacks on Tim Hanke in which you quote me out of context or outright
lie
33% Random pretentious musings heavily padded by quotes
1% Random pretentious musings with a tenuous connection to chess
Tim Hanke
--
I am a candidate for the U.S. Chess Federation Executive Board in the 2003
election. Please visit my website at http://www.timothyhanke.net.
Posted by: Tim Hanke
Date: 2003-06-13 18:30:56 PST
Do read the entire thread.
If you can figure out *why* Hanke keeps attacking Bourbaki, let me know,
please...
Mhoulsby
>Date: 20/07/03 18:26 GMT Daylight Time
>Message-id: <510319e7.03072...@posting.google.com>
>
>Sam,
>
> I hardly EVER post to the group
It's too expensive, huh?
Have a nice day, now.
Mark
John Fernandez
> This is not about the election. I knew that with the host of heavy
> weights attacking me, including Jim Eade, Al Lawrence, Bill Goichberg,
> John Fernandez, Bruce Draney, George John, Stan Booz, Neil Brennen,
> Tom Klem, Richard Peterson and several others who attacked me
> relentlessly, my chances of winning were not that good.
I'm pretty flattered to be on this list, although maybe I'm in more for the
"heavy weight" reason.
Perhaps you should stop to consider why so many people are against you?
Is this THAT shocking, considering that you couldn't even be voted in as an
Alternate Delegate in your own state?
John Fernandez
Sam Sloan
wrote:
>George John
As everybody knows, the USCF is in financial difficulty.
Now, you propose that the USCF spend several thousand dollars to
"train" Tim Hanke to do something which he declared that he new how to
do by running for election.
Sam Sloan
Matt Nemmers
news:20030720201957...@mb-m07.aol.com...
> Perhaps you should stop to consider why so many people are against you?
Don'cha know? It's a conspiracy, John. C-O-N......spiracy.
>
> Is this THAT shocking, considering that you couldn't even be voted in as
an
> Alternate Delegate in your own state?
Ouch.....
Regards,
Matt
>
> John Fernandez
Tony D.
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As a newbie myself, I suggest that all newbies peruse Sloan's web site. Besides
it being hugely entertaining in a perverse sort of way, it is eveident from the
beginning that he is not to be taken seriously. Every circus needs a clown.
"Ever since I lost a lung to cancer, I've cut my smoking in half"
Tony D.
George John
Sam,
-snip-
> Now, you propose that the USCF spend several thousand dollars to
> "train" Tim Hanke to do something which he declared that he new how to
> do by running for election.
Even the most experienced of new employees will benefit from some on the job
training. Tim no doubt has learned a great deal from his working for a
not-for-profit, but he will still need to learn the particulars of the USCF.
A very good way of doing that is the face-to-face contact he will get in Los
Angeles. The USCF *should* reimburse him for his round trip travel to LA
for the EB meeting he will participate in beginning the Monday after the BOD
meeting. It makes sense for them to get him in early and pay for a few
extra nights of hotel so that he can attend the key workshops, the BOD
meeting, and ad hoc meetings with his new Board members and others.
Yes, the USCF is in extreme financial difficulty. That said, if we can't
afford to reimburse the reasonable expenses of our seven volunteer Board
members, we should either cut back the number of members on the Board or
eliminate the board completely. While we are at it, we should eliminate the
Board of Delegates as well.
-snip-
George
Jane Adams
What planet are you suggesting for Sam's internement?
Jane
http://www.lvcm.com/jadams
michael adams
Let's get of this tiresome little detail in life, shall we chaps?. The
bigger question surely is if the M-16 is prone to jam in the sands of
Iraq, how long to un-jam?. Is the AK-47 prone to such un-god sanctioned
'jamming'?..
Briarroot
>
>
> Let's get of this tiresome little detail in life, shall we chaps?. The
> bigger question surely is if the M-16 is prone to jam in the sands of
> Iraq, how long to un-jam?. Is the AK-47 prone to such un-god sanctioned
> 'jamming'?..
I recently read "Steel My Soldiers' Hearts" by Col. David Hackworth.
It's an account of his time as a battalion commander in Viet Nam
during 1969.
While preparing the ground for a new base, a bulldozer uncovered
a buried corpse still holding an AK-47. Col. Hackworth, after
first checking to see that the barrel was not plugged, proceeded
to pull back the bolt and fire off the entire clip into the air.
Even after being buried in the mud for months, the weapon worked
flawlessly!
Sam Sloan
>I am no fan of Tim Henke but he is 100 percent right on this one. He MUST. be
>given his expences. Here is a theory as to where his mysterious votes came
>from. Folks thought they were voting for yours truly, Jrrry HaNKEn! YHR.
>
I am very surprised at your remark. Tim Hanke is not on the board yet.
He will not be on the board until the conclusion of the delegate's
meetings in Los Angeles. He is not entitled to have his ticket paid to
Los Angeles. No incoming board member has EVER had his ticket paid.
You have been on the board several times, so you know that.
In this case, there is doubt that Hanke will ever serve on the board.
I am certain that he will not serve out his four year term. He will
drop out, the only question is when.
Hanke is simply an Internet Gadfly who posts a lot. He has been
posting since 1994 that I know of. He has never expesssed an interest
in the serious business of chess governance. His election points out a
serious weakness in the OMOV System. Under the old system, Hanke would
not have received even one vote, not even his own, because he has
never been a delegate or a voting member.
Your theory as to why Hanke got elected has some merit. His name, Tim
Hanke, is similar to your name, Jerry Hanken. I doubt that anybody
voted for you thinking that he was voting for him, however.
Jerry Hanken did not receive even one write-in vote, incidentally. I
have the complete list of 95 persons who received write-in votes. Just
about everybody who is anybody is on that list, except for you.
I have heard that you got Beatriz Marinello elected. You circulated
petitions for her in Los Angeles when she could not get enough
signatures in New York. Is that true?
Sam Sloan
Tim Hanke
The word in the barracks is that the M-16 is more accurate but jams easily.
The AK-47 is less accurate but functions more reliably.
I have fired both, and I can verify the M-16 jams *a lot*. In fact, when my
platoon was engaged in a marksmanship competition with other platoons, let
me tell you how I helped us win the competition. I am a lousy shot, because
I can't close my non-firing eye and I see double, but I have a few smarts.
So when it was my turn to go up and fire at the pop-up targets, I took my
own weapon and told my buddy to *leave his weapon* at the firing point. Sure
enough, about halfway through my qualification, my weapon jammed and I
couldn't clear it quickly. This was a crisis becase the targets are still
popping up, moving around, etc.--they wait for no man. So I grabbed the
extra weapon, switched my clip to it, and used my buddy's weapon to qualify
successfully. If I had not had the extra M-16, I would not have qualified
successfully and we would not have won the competition.
Tim Hanke
StanB
"Tim Hanke" <webm...@scleroderma.org> wrote in message
news:QyRSa.2275$jh5....@nntp-post.primus.ca...
> So when it was my turn to go up and fire at the pop-up targets, I took my
> own weapon and told my buddy to *leave his weapon* at the firing point.
Sure
> enough, about halfway through my qualification, my weapon jammed and I
> couldn't clear it quickly. This was a crisis becase the targets are still
> popping up, moving around, etc.--they wait for no man. So I grabbed the
> extra weapon, switched my clip to it, and used my buddy's weapon to
qualify
> successfully. If I had not had the extra M-16, I would not have qualified
> successfully and we would not have won the competition.
Wow! Captain Kirk did the same thing at Starfleet Academy.
StanB
Beatchess
"I have heard that you got Beatriz Marinello elected. You circulated
petitions for her in Los Angeles when she could not get enough
signatures in New York. Is that true?
Sam Sloan"
Sam,
Could you please clarify this statement? As I made clear in an other group.
You were at the Marshall Chess Club in NYC, in one of the occasions that I was
there collecting signatures for my petition, and you even signed it yourself.
Yours for Chess,
Beatriz Marinello
Sam Sloan
What you say is correct. I signed your petition at the Marshall Chess
Club and I am certain that 30 other people did as will.
Therefore, I am certain that you did not need Mr. Hanken's help.
Nevertheless, I am asking Mr. Hanken about a remark somebody else made
that Hanken got you elected.
Sam Sloan
Beatchess
"What you say is correct. I signed your petition at the Marshall Chess
Club and I am certain that 30 other people did as will.
Therefore, I am certain that you did not need Mr. Hanken's help.
Nevertheless, I am asking Mr. Hanken about a remark somebody else made
that Hanken got you elected.
Sam Sloan"
Sam,
Thank you for the clarification!
Mike Nolan
>Nevertheless, I am asking Mr. Hanken about a remark somebody else made
>that Hanken got you elected.
Jerry has claimed to have elected a number of board members over the
years, the only one he seems to regret having helped get elected was
Ed Butler over Woody Harris.
--
Mike Nolan
michael adams
Y'know, if Hancke has allready demonstrated unalloyed greed & contempt,
by flagrantly, already rifling the tills of USCF. Well, shan't the
beckoning future prove interesting times indeed? for some!..
Tim Hanke
>
> Jerry has claimed to have elected a number of board members over the
> years, the only one he seems to regret having helped get elected was
> Ed Butler over Woody Harris.
Mike,
When I was one of the editors of American Chess Journal, USCF sold ACJ in
its catalog. The catalog listing was "American Chess Journal, Chabris and
Hanken."
"Sic transit gloria," as anonymouse "Nick Bourbaki" might say.
Tim Hanke
Mhoulsby
>Date: 22/07/03 16:35 GMT Daylight Time
>Message-id: <wRcTa.3144$ri5....@nntp-post.primus.ca>
Timothy,
Once again, Bourbaki's true identity is clear to anyone with as much
intelligence as a smart six-year-old. "Anonumouse" he is not.
Why don't *you* use his real name, therefore?
"Observe the obvious!" as anonymouse Briarroot does say, frequently (but not as
frequently as he says the "L" words: "Liar" and "Lickspittle").
Mark Houlsby
Tim Hanke
>
> Once again, Bourbaki's true identity is clear to anyone with as much
> intelligence as a smart six-year-old. "Anonumouse" he is not.
>
> Why don't *you* use his real name, therefore?
Mark,
Errrm ... because I have less intelligence than a smart six-year-old?
So who is he? John Nunn? Bobby Fischer? Quite a lot of people here, well
maybe not "quite a lot" but some few at least, are wondering who "Nick
Bourbaki" is.
Tim Hanke
Mhoulsby
>Date: 22/07/03 18:07 GMT Daylight Time
>Message-id: <ZaeTa.118201$ye4.86886@sccrnsc01>
>
>"Mhoulsby" <mhou...@aol.com-remove-> wrote ...
>>
>> Once again, Bourbaki's true identity is clear to anyone with as much
>> intelligence as a smart six-year-old. "Anonumouse" he is not.
>>
>> Why don't *you* use his real name, therefore?
>
>Mark,
>
>Errrm ... because I have less intelligence than a smart six-year-old?
>
It takes a big man to admit that he has a problem.
This, indeed, is the same problem which undermines your starting troll threads,
such as this one, attacking Bourbaki, here:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?T2E963A55
which, incidentally, you crossposted to RGCM, against the rules of these
groups.
Your inclusion of descriptions like:
"The Internet Stalker "Nick" <nickbourbaki@..."
Tim Hanke 2003-06-13 18:30:56 PST
...is *identical* to the behaviour of "Dr. Robert Faurisson" who, as pointed
out by Mr. John Macnab, here:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W33A32A55
...may be a reincarnation of the notorious troll Jason Repa (apparently his
real name) who polluted these groups a little while ago.
Here is an example of Dr. Faurisson's exhibiting *exactly the same trolling
behaviour as you have* (that is, he uses the term "cyber stalking") in this
personal attack on me, posted in RGCC a couple of days ago:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N56A16A55
""Mhoulsby" <mhou...@aol.com-remove-> wrote in message
news:20030721085952...@mb-m21.aol.com...
> >From: "Dr. Robert Faurisson" dontyoud...@shaw.caIreallyhatespam
> >Date: 21/07/03 13:17 GMT Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <VRQSa.476646$ro6.11...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>
> >
> >
> >"Mhoulsby" <mhou...@aol.com-remove-> wrote in message
> >news:20030721053553...@mb-m07.aol.com...
> >> >From: "Dr. Robert Faurisson" dontyoud...@shaw.caIreallyhatespam
> >> >Date: 21/07/03 06:06 GMT Daylight Time
> >> >Message-id: <vxKSa.473473$ro6.11...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Your behaviour is typical of psychopathic trolls who *project* their
*own*
> >> >> shortcomings onto others...
> >> >>
> >> >> Interestingly enough it is you that is projecting housby! How long have
> >> >you been diagnosed with psychotic schitzophrenia? I feel sorry for you
boy.
> >> >You were not blessed with intelligence, and you were not blessed with a
sane
> >> >mind either. You clearly have no life whatsoever outside of the internet.
I
> >> >suppose this is an idea place for you to hide. Better than use state
money
> >> >keeping you locked up in a facility. Good luck with your treatment
> >> >housby....you will need it!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks for proving my point again.
> >
> >Actually, you've proven my point kid! Good luck with the treatment!
> >
> >
>
> Ok. Let's take a step back here. Let's do some research, gather some data,
and
> analyse those data, shall we?
Now the idiot troll housby is resorting to cyber stalking. Go find a gay
chat room where you can be at home housby. This chatroom is for discussing
computer chess. And I like girls"
Posted by: Dr. Robert Faurisson
2003-07-21 06:05:07 PST
To me, Faurisson's behaviour is a little sad, since it indicates that he is
probably mentally ill. Whoever he is, I hope he recovers.
Now for the $1,000,000 question:
What is *your* justification for *your* trolling behaviour? Where is your
*evidence* of Bourbaki's "lies"?
>So who is he? John Nunn? Bobby Fischer? Quite a lot of people here, well
>maybe not "quite a lot" but some few at least, are wondering who "Nick
>Bourbaki" is.
>
>Tim Hanke
>
Here's a clue: Bourbaki is none of the above. Those of us who know who he is
have been greatly surprised by the gross stupidity exhibited not just by you,
but by your ardent adherents StanB and Briarroot, these past few months...
If you wish to continue to make fools of yourselves, be my guest...
If not, you should publicly apologise to Bourbaki and me for these numerous and
continuing unfounded personal attacks, and, once Bourbaki has replied to *every
post* in which either you, or your adherents StanB and Briarroot have attacked
him, completely unwarrantedly (a right which he reserved some time ago) we
would be able, I think, to consider the matter closed...
What will it be?
Will you make the dumb move, or the smart one?
Mark Houlsby
p.s. Take the webpages down, too, there's a good chap. I'm no Eric Idle (much
as I might wish to be) and Bourbaki is no Bob Hope (I have no idea whether or
not he wishes to be Mr. Hope).
Briarroot
Houlsby (Nick's Lickspittle) can't tell you. Just as he can't
tell you where Nick hails from. He will continue *pretending*
that he can though, and he'll continue to use the term "smart
six-year old" to indicate anyone who can't divine his fantasies.
So don't ask him for proof, he hasn't got any! ;-)
StanB
"Beatchess" <beat...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030721225417...@mb-m16.aol.com...
> Therefore, I am certain that you did not need Mr. Hanken's help.
>
> Nevertheless, I am asking Mr. Hanken about a remark somebody else made
> that Hanken got you elected.
>
> Thank you for the clarification!
See Bea, it is just another "Leko is Dead" story from Sam Sociopath.
StanB
Mhoulsby
>Date: 22/07/03 21:43 GMT Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3F1DA1FC...@iwon.com>
See what I mean, Timothy? It's your call...
Are you a Disraeli or a Gladstone? Surely you're not Neville Chamberlain?
Mark Houlsby
Nick
> From: Briarroot woo...@iwon.com
> Date: 22/07/03 21:43 GMT Daylight Time
> Message-id: <3F1DA1FC...@iwon.com>
> >tell you where Nick hails from. He will continue *pretending*
> >that he can though, and he'll continue to use the term "smart
> >six-year old" to indicate anyone who can't divine his fantasies.
> >So don't ask him for proof, he hasn't got any! ;-)
>
> See what I mean, Timothy? It's your call...
> Are you a Disraeli or a Gladstone? Surely you're not Neville Chamberlain?
'The man who enters public life has to choose between political infidelity
and a destructive creed.'
--Benjamin Disraeli (Coningsby)
Dear Mr. Houlsby,
Tim Hanke (evidently, alias 'M.T. Scriboman', alias 'Doctor Alekhine')
seems more like an ersatz Oswald Mosley.
As you might recall, Tim Hanke once described me as an 'effete Brit' or perhaps
he was describing all British people as 'effete'. I don't know to what extent
the members of the SAS and the SBS would be amused to be considered 'effete'.
Indeed, I really don't know what Hanke considers 'effete', perhaps that I am
am a Francophone or perhaps that I don't belong to a neo-Fascist militia.
"The chances are that a man cannot get into Congress now without resorting to
arts and means that should render him unfit to go there."
--Mark Twain (The Gilded Age)
Americans such as Tim Hanke, Stan Booz, and "Briarroot" seem to assume that
everyone else naturally must be flag-waving jingoists like themselves. But
many people, including some Americans, feel quite differently about what their
'homeland' means to them.
"We are born, so to speak, provisionally, it does not matter where; it is only
gradually that we compose, within ourselves, our true place of origin, so that
we may be born there retrospectively."
--Rainer Maria Rilke
I might be an admiral in the Swiss Navy, which should be more famous if two
'facts' about it were more known. First, it has a tradition of invincibility,
having never been defeated in any sea battle. Second, it has perfected 'stealth'
technology; its warships cannot be detected by even the most advanced means.
I might have been mentioned in 'The Bourbaki Gambit' by Carl Djerassi.
Here's a revision of a merry jingle of the Second Empire:
'Ce jeu exquis
Par les gens acquis,
Ils le doivent a qui?
A Bourbaki!'
--Nick
David Ames
Second Empire? well, that's news to me! I always thought Nicolas
Bourbaki was a collaborative of mathematicians that authored a series
of books.
David Ames
Nick
> > 'Ce jeu exquis
> > Par les gens acquis,
> > Ils le doivent a qui?
> > A Bourbaki!'
>
> Bourbaki was a collaborative of mathematicians that authored a series
> of books.
Dear Mr. Ames,
Yes, but General Charles Bourbaki (1816-1897) was the last French army
commander in the field during the Franco-German War (1870-1). In February 1871,
he and more than 80000 men (known as the 'Bourbakis') entered internment in
neutral Switzerland and were received with much sympathy by the Swiss people.
Today the Bourbaki Panorama Luzern displays the world's largest painting
(114 metres in circumference and 10 metres, originally 14+ metres, in height),
by Edouard Castres (1881), depicting the arrival of the 'Bourbakis'.
'No one despises learning that has pretensions to it.'
--Samuel Richardson (Sir Charles Grandison)
--Nick