Liability for Ms. Alarie??
MrVidmar
today, is that Donna Alarie has had the Mottershead Report up on her
chess club's web site at http://www.chesspals.com/USCF%20Issues.html
A link to the MR appears to have been placed there by Ms. Alarie on
October 11, 2007. There is also a link there from 12/17/2007 to the
Ulivetch Report. And yet, come August, 2008 Ms. Alarie who presumably
has "defamed" Ms. Polgar just like everyone else and whose home address
was asked for by Polgar, amazingly isn't joined in this action by
Polgar. But, no deal was struck according to Ms. Alarie. There's an
expression in West Texas I'm told that goes, "When you see a turtle on
top of a fence post, you know how it didn't get there."
If this case doesn't settle, don't be too surprised if some of the
defendants consult counsel and cross/third party claim against Ms.
Alarie. If we're at risk for publishing the MR, she should be also.
samsloan
> What's also interesting, which I completely forgot about until just
> today, is that Donna Alarie has had the Mottershead Report up on her
>
> A link to the MR appears to have been placed there by Ms. Alarie on
> October 11, 2007. There is also a link there from 12/17/2007 to the
> Ulivetch Report. And yet, come August, 2008 Ms. Alarie who presumably
> has "defamed" Ms. Polgar just like everyone else and whose home address
> was asked for by Polgar, amazingly isn't joined in this action by
> Polgar. But, no deal was struck according to Ms. Alarie. There's an
> expression in West Texas I'm told that goes, "When you see a turtle on
> top of a fence post, you know how it didn't get there."
>
> If this case doesn't settle, don't be too surprised if some of the
> defendants consult counsel and cross/third party claim against Ms.
> Alarie. If we're at risk for publishing the MR, she should be also.
I agree with you that Donna Alarie made some sort of agreement with
Pogar and Truong to save herself from being sued.
Perhaps it was not a "deal" but it was an agreement of some sort.
It is plainly obvious that everything Donna has said since tends to
favor Polgar and Truong.
Sam Sloan
Wick
> What's also interesting, which I completely forgot about until just
> today, is that Donna Alarie has had the Mottershead Report up on her
>
> A link to the MR appears to have been placed there by Ms. Alarie on
> October 11, 2007. There is also a link there from 12/17/2007 to the
> Ulivetch Report. And yet, come August, 2008 Ms. Alarie who presumably
> has "defamed" Ms. Polgar just like everyone else and whose home address
> was asked for by Polgar, amazingly isn't joined in this action by
> Polgar. But, no deal was struck according to Ms. Alarie. There's an
> expression in West Texas I'm told that goes, "When you see a turtle on
> top of a fence post, you know how it didn't get there."
>
> If this case doesn't settle, don't be too surprised if some of the
> defendants consult counsel and cross/third party claim against Ms.
> Alarie. If we're at risk for publishing the MR, she should be also.
As a matter of litigation strategy, this would be idiotic.
Wick
MrVidmar
Alarie miss out on the fun. :-)
Wick
For someone who mentions Rule 11 as often as you do, I would think the
answer is pretty obvious.
Kenneth Sloan
Why should this surprise you?
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ChessFire
> Wick wrote:
> > On Nov 21, 1:44 pm, MrVidmar <vid...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> What's also interesting, which I completely forgot about until just
> >> today, is that Donna Alarie has had the Mottershead Report up on her
> >> chess club's web site athttp://www.chesspals.com/USCF%20Issues.html
>
> >> A link to the MR appears to have been placed there by Ms. Alarie on
> >> October 11, 2007. There is also a link there from 12/17/2007 to the
> >> Ulivetch Report. And yet, come August, 2008 Ms. Alarie who presumably
> >> has "defamed" Ms. Polgar just like everyone else and whose home address
> >> was asked for by Polgar, amazingly isn't joined in this action by
> >> Polgar. But, no deal was struck according to Ms. Alarie. There's an
> >> expression in West Texas I'm told that goes, "When you see a turtle on
> >> top of a fence post, you know how it didn't get there."
>
> >> If this case doesn't settle, don't be too surprised if some of the
> >> defendants consult counsel and cross/third party claim against Ms.
> >> Alarie. If we're at risk for publishing the MR, she should be also.
>
> > As a matter of litigation strategy, this would be idiotic.
>
> > Wick
>
> Why should this surprise you?
What might surprise anyone here is that Donna has looked at the
Mottershead report and challenged it.
This is a 'surprise' only to those who have not appreciated said
report, and resent other views - hers.
I do not associate my own comments and knowledge with Alarie's but
similarly do not attach the typical response to her reports iby
agitprop newsgroup people writing here.
How interesting that the Sloan in initially celebrated Donna Alarie's
investigation, ---though --- when he saw the result of that to vere
toward Polgar, that he abandoned her invigilation. Obviously the Sloan
hates this sort of reporting, since it seems based on fact rather than
his own ego.
Naturally, those people who do not like to actually look and speak
straight about what they see do not [now] like Alarie.
This is a choice, but either a personal one, as per the typical Sloan
post, or something actually examined and subject to group appreciation
as per Alarie.
Phil Innes
> --
> Kenneth Sloan KennethRSl...@gmail.com
Wick
> Wick wrote:
> > On Nov 21, 1:44 pm, MrVidmar <vid...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> What's also interesting, which I completely forgot about until just
> >> today, is that Donna Alarie has had the Mottershead Report up on her
> >> chess club's web site athttp://www.chesspals.com/USCF%20Issues.html
>
> >> A link to the MR appears to have been placed there by Ms. Alarie on
> >> October 11, 2007. There is also a link there from 12/17/2007 to the
> >> Ulivetch Report. And yet, come August, 2008 Ms. Alarie who presumably
> >> has "defamed" Ms. Polgar just like everyone else and whose home address
> >> was asked for by Polgar, amazingly isn't joined in this action by
> >> Polgar. But, no deal was struck according to Ms. Alarie. There's an
> >> expression in West Texas I'm told that goes, "When you see a turtle on
> >> top of a fence post, you know how it didn't get there."
>
> >> If this case doesn't settle, don't be too surprised if some of the
> >> defendants consult counsel and cross/third party claim against Ms.
> >> Alarie. If we're at risk for publishing the MR, she should be also.
>
> > As a matter of litigation strategy, this would be idiotic.
>
> > Wick
>
> Why should this surprise you?
>
> --
> Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
> University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
> Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/
Ken:
Whatever makes you think I was surprised?
jkh001
Has she? I can't recall seeing any statement from her to that effect.
What she seems to be challenging is the "joint defense agreement"
among all the defendants except Sloan. She thinks it's costing the
USCF money. The USCF and its attorneys don't agree.
The Historian
> On Nov 21, 2:46 pm, ChessFire <onech...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 21, 4:57 pm, Kenneth Sloan <KennethRSl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Wick wrote:
> > > > On Nov 21, 1:44 pm, MrVidmar <vid...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > > >> What's also interesting, which I completely forgot about until just
> > > >> today, is that Donna Alarie has had the Mottershead Report up on her
> > > >> chess club's web site athttp://www.chesspals.com/USCF%20Issues.html
>
> > > >> A link to the MR appears to have been placed there by Ms. Alarie on
> > > >> October 11, 2007. There is also a link there from 12/17/2007 to the
> > > >> Ulivetch Report. And yet, come August, 2008 Ms. Alarie who presumably
> > > >> has "defamed" Ms. Polgar just like everyone else and whose home address
> > > >> was asked for by Polgar, amazingly isn't joined in this action by
> > > >> Polgar. But, no deal was struck according to Ms. Alarie. There's an
> > > >> expression in West Texas I'm told that goes, "When you see a turtle on
> > > >> top of a fence post, you know how it didn't get there."
>
> > > >> If this case doesn't settle, don't be too surprised if some of the
> > > >> defendants consult counsel and cross/third party claim against Ms.
> > > >> Alarie. If we're at risk for publishing the MR, she should be also.
>
> > > > As a matter of litigation strategy, this would be idiotic.
>
> > > > Wick
>
> > > Why should this surprise you?
>
> > What might surprise anyone here is that Donna has looked at the
> > Mottershead report and challenged it.
(Snip other Innes twaddle)
> Has she? I can't recall seeing any statement from her to that effect.
The statement His I-ness alleges Ms. Alaire made "challenging" the
Mottershead report is probably on the order of His I-ness' news story
about the Secret Service raiding Gregory Alexander's home - non-
existent.
samsloan
> If this case doesn't settle, don't be too surprised if some of the
> defendants consult counsel and cross/third party claim against Ms.
> Alarie. If we're at risk for publishing the MR, she should be also.
Another ridiculous pseudo-claim by ex-lawyer Lafferty.
They already tried to make a third party claim with Paul Truong and it
was dismissed by Judge Cummings. How could we possibly make a claim
against Donna Alarie? Under what theory, even assuming, as I agree,
that Donna has switched sides?
Sam Sloan
MrVidmar
Apples and Oranges.
samsloan
> What might surprise anyone here is that Donna has looked at the
> Mottershead report and challenged it.
>
> Phil Innes
It will certainly surprise Donna, as she has done no such thing.
What we all wonder is what kind of deal does Phil Innes have with
Polgar that causes him to make such ridiculous and stupid statements.
Sam Sloan
MrVidmar
If the cases don't settle and we have to go to trial, I suspect we will
find out.
samsloan
I do not think the cases will or even can settle naturally. I think
that Polgar's lawyers are close to dropping out.
Sam Sloan
parrt...@cs.com
<I do not think the cases will or even can settle naturally. I think
that Polgar's lawyers are close to dropping out.> -- Sam Sloan
As long as lawyers are being paid, won't they play to the last pawn?
Wick
> PREMATURE RESIGNATION?
>
> <I do not think the cases will or even can settle naturally. I think
> that Polgar's lawyers are close to dropping out.> -- Sam Sloan
>
> As long as lawyers are being paid, won't they play to the last pawn?
>
Depends. If they are on a contingency fee, they may drop the case.
If their concern about Rule 11 liability exceeds their fee
expectation, they may drop the case.
Teddybear
"Wick" <wick...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 22, 10:47 am, "parrthe...@cs.com" <parrthe...@cs.com> wrote:
> PREMATURE RESIGNATION?
>
> <I do not think the cases will or even can settle naturally. I think
> that Polgar's lawyers are close to dropping out.> -- Sam Sloan
>
> As long as lawyers are being paid, won't they play to the last pawn?
>
> Depends. If they are on a contingency fee, they may
> drop the case.
> If their concern about Rule 11 liability exceeds their fee
> expectation, they may drop the case.
The stakes are a little higher than that, Sanctions under FRCP 11, almost
always result in disbarment.
ChessFire
And here goes neil Brennan withe maximum amount of spin, including
secret service did not...
Brennan usually likes to confuse things by dissimulation, and here he
confirms this sense of his /own/ activity being something deliberately
glossed over.
Watchers! Note who is drawn to the pyre - they are hardly conscious of
their own motivation, and you can draw them like Picasso.
Phil Innes
ChessFire
> On Nov 21, 5:46 pm, ChessFire <onech...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > What might surprise anyone here is that Donna has looked at the
> > Mottershead report and challenged it.
>
> > Phil Innes
>
> It will certainly surprise Donna, as she has done no such thing.
Say Swami Sloan who fell out with Donna Alarie months ago, when she
made up her own mind, but tells us what she has done - as if the Sloan
knowns.
> What we all wonder is what kind of deal does Phil Innes have with
What we wonder is the extent of paranoic response that Sam Sloan could
make, and if we even reached its limit?
And who is 'all' Sloan?
You often write this way, but since it seems only your pov, then are
you not being desperate and cheap in public?
That is to say, normally discursive from your prospective?
Phil Innes
> Sam Sloan
ChessFire
> PREMATURE RESIGNATION?
>
> <I do not think the cases will or even can settle naturally. I think
> that Polgar's lawyers are close to dropping out.> -- Sam Sloan
>
> As long as lawyers are being paid, won't they play to the last pawn?
>
As far as USCF are concerned, they will pay to the last member's pawn?
Phil Innes
samsloan
Polgar's strategy is clearly to break the USCF, drive it into
bankruptcy and out of business.
However, Polgar will not succeed and the USCF will survive, although
just barely.
Sam Sloan
Wick
> "Wick" <wick.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Not so much, unless Texas is markedly different from the rest of the
country.