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Livermore's Legacy

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Sam Sloan

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Nov 9, 2001, 9:49:28 AM11/9/01
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There is a debate going on in the chess politics newsgroup as to why
chess players, including even famous grandmasters, are required to
bring their own sets, boards and clocks to chess tournaments.

I need to explain that we owe this tradition to Vincent Livermore.

Vincent Livermore was a chess master who formed the basis for the
character "Vinney" in the movie "Searching for Bobby Fischer".

In addition to being a chess hustler, Vincent Livermore made his
living as a chess clock thief. One good thing about Livermore: If your
chess clock ever went missing at a chess tournament, at least you
could buy it back from Livermore at the next event.

This is why tournament organizers stopped providing chess equipment at
tournaments.

Vincent Livermore died of AIDS in 1993 just before the movie in which
he was immortalized came out. I cannot find his name in the Social
Security Death Index. I suspect that his real name was something
different.

Sam Sloan
http://www.samsloan.com/chess.htm

Bob

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Nov 9, 2001, 3:17:53 PM11/9/01
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Sam Sloan wrote:

WHY was this posted to rec.arts.movies.current-films?
(which I removed from the posting list)
Bob


John Savard

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Nov 9, 2001, 3:47:00 PM11/9/01
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On Fri, 09 Nov 2001 12:17:53 -0800, Bob <chil...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote, in part:

>WHY was this posted to rec.arts.movies.current-films?
>(which I removed from the posting list)

Yes. "Searching for Bobby Fischer" was released more than three years
ago, so that would mean it should have been in
rec.arts.movies.past-films - this was explained to me after I
discussed a movie that was on video in r.a.m.p thinking that r.a.m.c
was only for movies currently in initial release.

But you're also right that even if the posting referred to a film, if
it wasn't really of interest to movie buffs per se, then the posting
wasn't _really_ on topic to a movie group. Still, it *did* provide a
tidbit of movie trivia.

John Savard
http://plaza.powersurfr.com/jsavard/index.html

Greg Kennedy

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Nov 9, 2001, 11:54:45 PM11/9/01
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> There is a debate going on in the chess politics newsgroup as to why
> chess players, including even famous grandmasters, are required to
> bring their own sets, boards and clocks to chess tournaments.
> In addition to being a chess hustler, Vincent Livermore made his
> living as a chess clock thief. One good thing about Livermore: If your
> chess clock ever went missing at a chess tournament, at least you
> could buy it back from Livermore at the next event.
> This is why tournament organizers stopped providing chess equipment at
> tournaments.
> I suspect that his real name was something
> different.


Mike Wiseman?


Sam Sloan

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Nov 10, 2001, 5:01:31 AM11/10/01
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So, do you feel that this should have been posted on
rec.arts.movies.past-films instead of on rec.arts.movies.current-films
?

John Savard

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Nov 10, 2001, 12:48:49 PM11/10/01
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On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:01:31 GMT, sl...@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan)
wrote, in part:

>So, do you feel that this should have been posted on
>rec.arts.movies.past-films instead of on rec.arts.movies.current-films
>?

Whether that, or to neither, was a question on which I did not have a
definite opinion to express: I simply noted there were arguments
either way.

John Savard
http://plaza.powersurfr.com/jsavard/index.html

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