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Sam Sloan
Someone said that Fischer becoming a GM at 15 was remarkable since there
wasn't as much in chess as a whole interest in 1955 as there is in 1998.
Even though Fischer got serious help from GM William Lombardy and GM Robert
Byrne.
Also, about the 2450 performance rating, usually that is much higher than
the actual one, isn't it? When Fischer wiped out Larsen and Taimanov in
1971, he had a performance rating of over 3000, but that didn't mean
Fischer would get up to 3000, you know?
Good luck Hikaru.
Regards,
Phil.
Sam Sloan <sl...@ishipress.com> wrote in article
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>There was some discussion about this earlier on.
>
>Someone said that Fischer becoming a GM at 15 was remarkable since there
>wasn't as much in chess as a whole interest in 1955 as there is in 1998.
>Even though Fischer got serious help from GM William Lombardy and GM Robert
>Byrne.
That and the level of professionalism in chess was nothing compared to
the work ethic players, even juniors, evince today. That's why the
Soviets were so far beyond the rest of the world, they systematized
the study of the game while everyone else was relying exclusively on
talent, as was customary. Fischer was one of the first western players
to really dedicated himself fully to the study of chess and his
personal improvement. That he did it largely on his own without the
benefit of a chess academy, trainers, etc., was remarkable.
Nowadays the juniors study as hard as the pros which is why the
"youngest..." records keep being broken. It's also why junior success
is not as accurate an indicator of future success as it used to be.
When a 16-year-old won a big tourney 50 or even 25 years ago you knew
he was pure talent and would go far if he learned to study and apply
that talent. Now a junior with an impressive performance may already
be studying 10 hours a day, but this can mask a lower "talent peak."
Work ethic is important at all levels, of course, it's just that more
people have the ability to study hard than have the natural talent to
be a world championship candidate!
>Also, about the 2450 performance rating, usually that is much higher than
>the actual one, isn't it? When Fischer wiped out Larsen and Taimanov in
>1971, he had a performance rating of over 3000, but that didn't mean
>Fischer would get up to 3000, you know?
It's only higher if you do well! For everyone whose performance rating
is above their actual elo there's another guy at the bottom of the
crosstable who's PR is much lower than his rating. Some very high PRs
are common, but a 2450 rating from a 10-year-old is amazing. Anything
100+ points over your actual elo is quite a leap, and this was around
250 more, I believe. He obviously has GM written all over him. One
excellent performance doesn't guarantee future stardom, but it's about
as good an indicator of potential as you can have. But potential si
only that. I think Morozevich (Lloyds Bank Open, 1994) and Sofia
Polgar (Rome Open, 1989) have both had near-3000 performance ratings.
I never paid much attention to them until I got software that shows
them automatically. Now it's hard for me to resist checking my own PR
even during tournaments. I've had two 2400+ PRs, one in an eight-round
swiss where I beat an IM and drew two more and a GM (okay, I also lost
to an IM and a GM), but know my actual rating won't see 2400 unless I
win the lottery, give up everything for chess for two years, and start
taking smart pills. And now we have Hikaru to rub it in!
saludos, Mig
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There seems to be a lot of discussion regarding "talent peaks", work
ethics, becoming a 2900 (FIDE, not USCF) player at age 13, etc. What most
people don't realize is that all humans are chess grandmasters at birth. In
fact, most primates are, too. It is just that the muscles and the like
(mere appendices..) take a while to develop, and hence, almost all new-borns
are forced to play blindfold chess, often simultaneously, with themselves.
As an infant grows, he or she has a lot of distraction in the form of
parents, environment, etc. and slowly but surely there is a decay of chess
talent. In some cases, it disappears almost entirely, and the infant grows
up to become an editor or engineer or whatever, without retaining any of the
chess. (Most chessplayers and chess-lovers are married to such people) In
few other cases, either the chess talent is not completely lost or there is
a rapid regression, leading to what we normally come to know as young chess
masters and grandmasters.
Though the above theory seems implausible, it has never been proven
wrong.
- Neel
> Though the above theory seems implausible, it has never been proven
> wrong.
>
The theory that some pigs can fly has never been proven wrong either... ;>)
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I think that a 2450 performance rating by a 10 year old is amazing, and I
also have to agree with you that nowadays, the kids are studying just as hard
as the adults, which is somewhat "funny".
I can't help it but laugh when I think of a little 5 - 10 year old kid
sitting down at a chessboard concentrating on the position, moving piece by
piece and wondering afterwards if he has what it takes to be the world
champion. Than after he's made a blunder, he gets mad, and then starts over
again.
While at the same time, there are dozens of kids outside playing baseball,
basketball, soccer, etc...
What's even more funny is that 10 years ago, such stories would be so rare.
A 10 year old kid playing that good in a tournament. The kid would be on
evening news!
CHESS INTERVIEW:
PERSON1: "I have a son that just became a master." PERSON2: "Oh yea? That's
great. How old is he?" PERSON1: "He's 15 years old." PERSON2: "He's pretty
old. I have a daughter who just made it at 13, a son who just hit it at 13,
and my dog who just made FM at 12."
PERSON1: "Your dog became a FM!?" PERSON2: "Sure! He's entering the dog
chess championships next week, but I doubt if he'll win." PERSON1: "Why?"
PERSON2: "Because he's not in the top 10 yet."
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