Barcza Opening - for beginner ?
Markku Siipola
that beginners (as white), should play the Barca Opening:
1. Nf3 ...
2. g3 ...
3. Bg2 ...
4. 0-0 ...
Is this a good idea or should I continue with the e4-e5 openings.
I'm a begginer (FICS rating about 1400).
JeffC 1474
Yeah I thought that was a little weird. It's a rather *safe* opening in the
sense that you're not likely to get crushed in the first 10 moves. In fact the
first time I played against this opening, it seemed so passive - I didn't see
much to attack against as black, so I "just developed" and then all of a sudden
the center opened, he brought out his last piece to it's best square, and
proceeded to rip me open! I ended up losing the exchange plus a pawn, but the
endgame was closed (after all that) and it was a draw. I'm no master, but I
can tell what I think most teachers would tell you - stick with e4 at your
level! (and I'm not far ahead of you)
Regards,
Jeff
Todd Durham
JeffC 1474 wrote:
In his new book _The_Sorcerer's_Apprentice_, David Bronstein (with Tom Furstenberg)
recommends that the novice start with the sequence recommended by Seirawan above.
Todd
Ron Moskovitz
Markku Siipola <markku....@telia.com> wrote:
>Yasser Seirawan suggests in his book 'Winning Chess Openings',
>that beginners (as white), should play the Barca Opening:
>
>1. Nf3 ...
>2. g3 ...
>3. Bg2 ...
>4. 0-0 ...
>
>Is this a good idea or should I continue with the e4-e5 openings.
>I'm a begginer (FICS rating about 1400).
Obviously, there is no iron-clad law about how you should open
a chess game. I understand and share the concerns of people who
think that this opening might not be the best thing to build you
up in the fundamentals of the game like opening 1.e4 will, but
on the other hand it was one huge advantage:
It completely de-emphasizes the opening.
Most beginners place way to much emphasis on the opening, and,
unfortunately, the suggestion that they play 1.e4 doesn't neccesarily
help things in that regard (although there are plenty of other
solid reasons for playing it).
By playing this, you essentially remove the "theory" component of
your games and get right into actually playing chess. Clearly, there's
something to be said for this approach.
-Ron
Mark S. Williams
news:38B9813C...@telia.com...
> Yasser Seirawan suggests in his book 'Winning Chess Openings',
> that beginners (as white), should play the Barca Opening:
>
> 1. Nf3 ...
> 2. g3 ...
> 3. Bg2 ...
> 4. 0-0 ...
>
> Is this a good idea or should I continue with the e4-e5 openings.
> I'm a begginer (FICS rating about 1400).
Seirawan is not alone. GM Portisch writes in How to Open A Chess Game:
"...when beginners ask me for the best way to open a game, I often advise 1
Nf3, 2 g3, 3 Bg2 and 4 O-O, after which few troubles loom for White. As a
player's strength increases, of course, so do the demands on his ability to
play the openings. It is necessary, therefore, to develop such skills
beyond the mere memorization of a few opening moves." He then uses 2
Fischer games (Fischer-Miagmasuren, Sousse 1967 and Fischer-Ivkov, Santa
Monica 1966) to illustrate ways in which White can develop a king-side
attack. It is safe, solid, a bit slow, but if Black is not careful he can
get wiped out.
rRa...@x5yun4i.com
>>Yasser Seirawan suggests in his book 'Winning Chess Openings',
>>that beginners (as white), should play the Barca Opening:
>>
>>1. Nf3 ...
>>2. g3 ...
>>3. Bg2 ...
>>4. 0-0 ...
>>
>>Is this a good idea or should I continue with the e4-e5 openings.
>>I'm a begginer (FICS rating about 1400).
i'm a 20xx player and i still have little clue as to how the 1.Nf3
openings work.
i spent years on the e4 and d4 openings and slowly gained the correct
understanding of the various strategical planks, and associated
tactical motifs.
if you feel you can derive the same solid basic strategical principles
from the more nebulous, and divergent 1.Nf3, then more power to you. i
know i couldn't.
Rich Martin Jr.
Rich Martin Jr.
Mark S. Williams <mar...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:bqnu4.2534$%f3....@news.swbell.net...
> Markku Siipola <markku....@telia.com> wrote in message
> news:38B9813C...@telia.com...
> > Yasser Seirawan suggests in his book 'Winning Chess Openings',
> > that beginners (as white), should play the Barca Opening:
> >
> > 1. Nf3 ...
> > 2. g3 ...
> > 3. Bg2 ...
> > 4. 0-0 ...
> >
> > Is this a good idea or should I continue with the e4-e5 openings.
> > I'm a begginer (FICS rating about 1400).
>
anonymous
Attack was used. Without checking, I think you'll find it listed
that way in MCO-8, under the rubric of Reti Opening, certainly.
(Named after the Hungarian master Gedeon Barcza.)
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Reysha
As a beginner, it might be of interest to you in that it quickly takes
you into the middle game. It will help you from being 'taken
advantage of' in the opening by someone who is 'booked-up', and also
help you stay clear from many prepared 'opening traps'.
However, the reasons I rejected are:
1) I just felt that it didn't suite my style
2) As an intermediate player, much of my benefit now comes from
studying the games of my favourite players.
Whether *your* favourite player turns out to be Capablanca, Alekine,
Tal, Botvinnik, Fischer, Morphy, Steinitz, Lasker, Kasparov, (etc)...
no doubt you will eventually have one or two favourites, and going
over their games will be a source of both great entertainment, and
education.
By playing similar openings as your favourite player (or, more
specifically, openings that lead to similar middle-game positions) you
will find that you can relate more to their games... and that they
will therefore be more rewarding.
You're probably not interested right now in going over a bunch of
annotated games, but it might be something to kind in mind for down
the road.
If you are interested, here are some good collections:
My Chess Career - Capablanca
My Best Games - A. Alekhine
My 60 Most Memorable Games - Fischer
Zurich International - Bronstein (on the tournament)
200 Open Game - Bronstein
100 Selected Games - Botvinnik
Life and Games of Tal - Mikhail Tal
500 Master Games - Tarkatower?
If you decide to stick with e4 (usually recommended until you're about
1600) you specifically might be interested in Fischer's 60 Memorable,
Bronstein's 200 Open, and Tal's Life and Games.
Good luck.
-Reysha
Jaster Mereel
Emanuel Laskar The Life of a Chess Master by Dr J Hannak is more a biography
than a "chess" book, but it does have over 100 of his games, some of which are
classics.
You will find a lot of Ruy Lopez.
>If you are interested, here are some good collections:
>My Chess Career - Capablanca
>My Best Games - A. Alekhine
>My 60 Most Memorable Games - Fischer
>Zurich International - Bronstein (on the tournament)
>200 Open Game - Bronstein
>100 Selected Games - Botvinnik
>Life and Games of Tal - Mikhail Tal
>500 Master Games - Tarkatower?
>
>If you decide to stick with e4 (usually recommended until you're about
>1600) you specifically might be interested in Fischer's 60 Memorable,
>Bronstein's 200 Open, and Tal's Life and Games.
>
>Good luck.
>-Reysha
>
>>>Yasser Seirawan suggests in his book 'Winning Chess Openings',
>>>that beginners (as white), should play the Barca Opening:
>>>
>>>1. Nf3 ...
>>>2. g3 ...
>>>3. Bg2 ...
>>>4. 0-0 ...
>>>
>>>Is this a good idea or should I continue with the e4-e5 openings.
>>>I'm a begginer (FICS rating about 1400).
Jaster
jaste...@aol.com
JeffC 1474
Outstanding book by the way, at least as far as a chess book can be exciting,
which frankly isn't a lot IMO.
Regards,
Jeff
Reysha
than anyone else and was able to score remarkable well even into his
later years. There's good argument that he may have held onto his
title against Capablanca... had he made an effort to do so. Many
people feel that Lasker didn't found a school of chess. Others say
that his school is the 'psychological' one. I personally think that
to say he didn't have a style is to misunderstand him. Rather, he was
a 'street-fighter'or çoffee-house' type player who used ingenuity or
'street smarts'to come up with what works to win the game. A quote
that comes to mind, in answer to who was the best player ever is:
Ïf chess is a science... it's Capablanca. If it's an art - Alekhine.
If it's a fight - Lasker""
Lasker was also Mikhail Tal's favourite player. I've hear (in this
thread?) that even Bobby Fischer didn't understand his play.
I have the book by Hannak which is very good, but like you say, mostly
biography.
Lasker's seminal work, of course, is "Lasker Manual of Chess"- a true
classic and a must read... escpecially the section on combinations.
I'm not sure how good, or how many, annotated games there are. I know
there is a section at the end which contains some, but I haven't gone
through them.
Other books I forgot to mention:
Morphy's Games of Chess by Sergeant
The Most Instructive Games of Chess Ever Played by Cherven
Logical Chess, Move by Move, by Cherven.
TTYL
- Reysha
On 29 Feb 2000 02:18:03 GMT, jaste...@aol.com (Jaster Mereel) wrote:
>What about Laskar?
>
>Emanuel Laskar The Life of a Chess Master by Dr J Hannak is more a biography
>than a "chess" book, but it does have over 100 of his games, some of which are
>classics.
>
>You will find a lot of Ruy Lopez.
>
>>If you are interested, here are some good collections:
>>My Chess Career - Capablanca
>>My Best Games - A. Alekhine
>>My 60 Most Memorable Games - Fischer
>>Zurich International - Bronstein (on the tournament)
>>200 Open Game - Bronstein
>>100 Selected Games - Botvinnik
>>Life and Games of Tal - Mikhail Tal
JeffC 1474
>Logical Chess, Move by Move, by Cherven.
Chernev. "Logical Chess" is better for beginner/intermediates probably, of the
2.
Regards,
Jeff