It's a horse, not a knight!

[Eli Kesef]

Bs"d

Let's be serious; when you look at a horse, do you see anywhere a knight??

NO!! What you see is a HORSE.

So let's call a spade a spade, and let's call a horse a horse.

As the horny goat informed us, IM Jeremy Silman regularly calls a horse a horse, and also the IM Levy Rozman calls a spade a spade and a horse a horse in this youtube, at 26:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dieM4IDbJsQ

Slowly the truth is coming out.

There is no stopping the truth!

https://tinyurl.com/horse-not-knight

[Ken Blake]

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 14:26:36 -0700 (PDT), Eli Kesef
<nastyho...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Bs"d
>
>Let's be serious; when you look at a horse, do you see anywhere a knight??
>
>NO!! What you see is a HORSE.
>
>So let's call a spade a spade, and let's call a horse a horse.

It's a knight, not a horse. It doesn't matter what it looks like. It's
standard English name is "knight" and that's the name used by the vast
majority of English speaking chess players.

There may be an occasional player who calls it a "horse," but except
for young children and an occasional boob who foolishly wants to call
it by the wrong name, almost nobody does. I'd be amazed if as many as
1% of English speaking chess players who weren't complete beginners
called it a "horse."


The same goes for "rook." It's "rook," not "castle."

--
The real, original Ken Blake, not some other newcomer

[Andy Walker]

On 23/03/2022 22:54, Ken Blake wrote:
> There may be an occasional player who calls it a "horse," [...].

Actually, "horsey" is perhaps more usual than "horse", as
in "Tell me again, how does the horsey move?". But that may just
be a juvenile UK thinggy amongst advanced players.

--
Andy Walker, Nottingham.
Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music
Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Lange

[Eli Kesef]

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:54:06 AM UTC+2, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 14:26:36 -0700 (PDT), Eli Kesef
> <nastyho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Bs"d
> >
> >Let's be serious; when you look at a horse, do you see anywhere a knight??
> >
> >NO!! What you see is a HORSE.
> >
> >So let's call a spade a spade, and let's call a horse a horse.
> It's a knight, not a horse. It doesn't matter what it looks like. It's
> standard English name is "knight" and that's the name used by the vast
> majority of English speaking chess players.

Bs"d

And that is exactly why we have to make a change. We cannot tolerate this wrong name to continue.

We have to organize, and maybe start a NGO to promote our cause, to right a terrible wrong.

> There may be an occasional player who calls it a "horse," but except
> for young children and an occasional boob who foolishly wants to call
> it by the wrong name, almost nobody does. I'd be amazed if as many as
> 1% of English speaking chess players who weren't complete beginners
> called it a "horse."
>
>
> The same goes for "rook." It's "rook," not "castle."

So you don't object when I say I do the long rooking?

https://tinyurl.com/waste-life

[Eli Kesef]

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:25:41 AM UTC+2, Andy Walker wrote:
> On 23/03/2022 22:54, Ken Blake wrote:
> > There may be an occasional player who calls it a "horse," [...].
>
> Actually, "horsey" is perhaps more usual than "horse", as
> in "Tell me again, how does the horsey move?". But that may just
> be a juvenile UK thinggy amongst advanced players.

Bs"d

I can live with "horsey", it is an enormous step in the right direction, but I myself stick to "horse".

https://tinyurl.com/horsey-mug

[Ken Blake]

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 22:21:50 -0700 (PDT), Eli Kesef

<nastyho...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:54:06 AM UTC+2, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 14:26:36 -0700 (PDT), Eli Kesef
>> <nastyho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Bs"d
>> >
>> >Let's be serious; when you look at a horse, do you see anywhere a knight??
>> >
>> >NO!! What you see is a HORSE.
>> >
>> >So let's call a spade a spade, and let's call a horse a horse.
>> It's a knight, not a horse. It doesn't matter what it looks like. It's
>> standard English name is "knight" and that's the name used by the vast
>> majority of English speaking chess players.
>
>Bs"d
>
>And that is exactly why we have to make a change. We cannot tolerate this wrong name to continue.

It's not a wrong name, and yes, we (all 99.something % of us) can
tolerate it. Almost everyone but you prefers to call it by its correct
name--"knight."

*You* don't want to use it, and as I said, calling it a horse makes
you look like a silly nine-year-old beginner at chess.

I have to admit, though, that I think you play better than a
nine-year-old beginner does. I think I never played better than you do
until I was about 13 or 14.

>We have to organize, and maybe start a NGO to promote our cause, to right a terrible wrong.

Feel free to start whatever you want. You might even find three or
four people willing to join you in it.

>> There may be an occasional player who calls it a "horse," but except
>> for young children and an occasional boob who foolishly wants to call
>> it by the wrong name, almost nobody does. I'd be amazed if as many as
>> 1% of English speaking chess players who weren't complete beginners
>> called it a "horse."
>>
>>
>> The same goes for "rook." It's "rook," not "castle."
>
>So you don't object when I say I do the long rooking?

I'm sure you know what my answer would be, so I won't reply to your
dumb question.

[Quadibloc]

And I thought that a horse was a horse _here_:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5sYTcchq2o

Although it is true that in some countries, chess diagrams show
a horse's head for a knight... and a knight's head for... a
BISHOP!

John Savard

[Eli Kesef]

Bs"d

It is clear that this cannot go on any longer.

Something has to be done!

https://tinyurl.com/horsey-T-sh