1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nd4
dtar...@popd.ix.netcom.com
Does anyone here know what this opening is called? Black's 3rd move is
unusal but intriguing as it does seem to pose a few challenges for
white. I'm having a hard time finding this opening in any of the
opening literature I have. What's it called, and what's its refutation?
Thanks.
Don
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nd4
Charles Blair
This is referred to in the second edition of the OXFORD CHESS COMPANION
as the ``Blackburne shilling gambit.'' The trap is 4 Nxe5 Qg5, but
I have seen claims that white can survive after this with 5 Bxf7+ Ke7
6 O-O. Oxford companion recommends 4 O-O. Pachman's THE OPENING GAME
IN CHESS and MCO 10 recommend 4 c3.
Joshua K Bromberg
In article <5b3raq$o...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, c-b...@staff.uiuc.edu
(Charles Blair) wrote:
What happens after
4. Nxe5 Qg5
5. Bxf7+ Ke7
6. 0-0 d6! (kicking the knight)
Joshua K Bromberg
> This is referred to in the second edition of the OXFORD CHESS COMPANION
> as the ``Blackburne shilling gambit.'' The trap is 4 Nxe5 Qg5, but
> I have seen claims that white can survive after this with 5 Bxf7+ Ke7
> 6 O-O. Oxford companion recommends 4 O-O. Pachman's THE OPENING GAME
> IN CHESS and MCO 10 recommend 4 c3.
I have found it better to just castle. Then black has nothing for his
silly move to d4 and his e5 pawn is hanging again.
DENNIS C BAKER
It's called moving the knight twice in the opening before developing the
rest of your pieces :)
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Anthony Miller
On Thu, 9 Jan 1997 dtar...@popd.ix.netcom.com wrote:
> Does anyone here know what this opening is called? Black's 3rd move is
> unusal but intriguing as it does seem to pose a few challenges for
> white. I'm having a hard time finding this opening in any of the
> opening literature I have. What's it called, and what's its refutation?
> Thanks.
>
> Don
>
> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nd4
>
I believe this is Blackburn's famous Shilling Gambit. It seems he used to
win shillings with it.
A few years ago, I was able to use it to win a skittles game. After
playing 5.Nxf7, my opponent said "Tony, I thought you were a better player
than this." He has not spoken to me since.
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nd4 4.Nxe5 Qg5 5.Nxf7 Qxg2 6.Rf1 Qxe4+ 7.Be2 Nf3+ #
Note: after 5.Bxf7, I don't know who's winning.
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Best Regards,
Tony --ajmi...@teleport.com
kINGfISHER
DENNIS C BAKER <dc...@gnofn.org> wrote in article
<Pine.GSO.3.95.970110...@sparkie.gnofn.org>...> > Does anyone here know what this opening is called? ... and what's its
refutation?
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Don
> >
> > 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nd4
>
> rest of your pieces :)
>
Nyet, nyet, it's One-Knight-Two-Move Defence, and after greedy play
4.Nxe5?! Qg5 5.Nxf7?? Qxg2 6.Rf1 Qxe4+ 7.Be2 Nf3#! it becomes One
Knight, Two move, Three mate Counterattack!
A recurring theme with patzers when they play petter-patter instead of
chess!
4.0-0; 4.Nxd4; 4.c3 are good choice for replies.
kINGfISHER
Tim Mirabile
c-b...@staff.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) wrote:
> This is referred to in the second edition of the OXFORD CHESS COMPANION
>as the ``Blackburne shilling gambit.'' The trap is 4 Nxe5 Qg5, but
>I have seen claims that white can survive after this with 5 Bxf7+ Ke7
>6 O-O. Oxford companion recommends 4 O-O. Pachman's THE OPENING GAME
>IN CHESS and MCO 10 recommend 4 c3.
I actually fell for this once :(
(My rating at the time was too low to be entered into ChessBase :) )
Mirabile,Tim - Rottman,George (1675) [C50]
4th Nassau Random Insanity (6), 1986
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nd4 4.Nxe5 Qg5 5.Nxf7 Qxg2 6.Rf1 Qxe4+ 7.Be2 Nf3# 0-1
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CosmicZap
I read in the "Even More Complete Chess Addict" that this opening is
called the Blackburne-Shilling Gambit because Blackburne always used to
win a few shillings now and then with it in his casual games. It seems
unlikely that it can stand up as anything but a surprise move, but I did
admittedly get the mate on move 7 with Black recently against a friend of
comparable ability. I'm sure it's the shortest win I've had since I was
under 10 years old, when I assume I pulled off many four move wins as
white against less well-read fellow pipsqueaks.
Charles Blair
As previously mentioned, this is known in the Oxford Chess companion
as the Blackburne shilling gambit, after a large number of coffeehouse
wins at small stakes by J. H. Blackburne.
I was unable to find any mention of this in the Dover book of Blackburne's
best games. Is it possible that JHB wanted to protect this income source?
DENNIS C BAKER
On 11 Jan 1997, kINGfISHER wrote:
> DENNIS C BAKER <dc...@gnofn.org> wrote in article
> <Pine.GSO.3.95.970110...@sparkie.gnofn.org>...
> > On Thu, 9 Jan 1997 dtar...@popd.ix.netcom.com wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone here know what this opening is called? ... and what's its
> refutation?
> > >
> > > 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nd4
> >
> > It's called moving the knight twice in the opening before developing the
> > rest of your pieces :)
> >
>
> Nyet, nyet, it's One-Knight-Two-Move Defence, and after greedy play
> 4.Nxe5?! Qg5 5.Nxf7?? Qxg2 6.Rf1 Qxe4+ 7.Be2 Nf3#! it becomes One
> Knight, Two move, Three mate Counterattack!
>
> A recurring theme with patzers when they play petter-patter instead of
> chess!
>
> 4.0-0; 4.Nxd4; 4.c3 are good choice for replies.
Well gee, yes. After your opponent moves his piece twice in the opening,
it doesn't follow that you then move yours twice (4.Nxe5).
Thomas A. Dupuis
> > unusal but intriguing as it does seem to pose a few challenges for
> > white. I'm having a hard time finding this opening in any of the
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Don
> >
> > 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nd4
>
> It's called moving the knight twice in the opening before developing the
> rest of your pieces :)
>
> Dennis C. Baker dc...@gnofn.org
> Automation Department 504-838-1101 voice
> Jefferson Parish Library 504-838-1110 fax
> Metairie, La.
Browns? If so , hello from an old member .Tom Dupuis from Crowley
and a member of the Lafayette Chess Club in the 70's and 80's.
Joshua K Bromberg
In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.97011...@sparkie.gnofn.org>,
DENNIS C BAKER <dc...@gnofn.org> wrote:
Nyet, nyet, it's One-Knight-Two-Move Defence, and after greedy play
> > 4.Nxe5?! Qg5 5.Nxf7?? Qxg2 6.Rf1 Qxe4+ 7.Be2 Nf3#! it becomes One
> > Knight, Two move, Three mate Counterattack!
Well, as long as we're on the subject of cheap opening traps, try this one
sometime!
1. e4 c6
2. d4 d5
3. Nc3 dxe4
4. Nxe4 Nd7
5. Qe2?! Ngf6??
6. Nd6 mate
DENNIS C BAKER
On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Thomas A. Dupuis wrote:
> hello Dennis Are you the same Dennis Baker from the Berwick Bay
> Browns? If so , hello from an old member .Tom Dupuis from Crowley
> and a member of the Lafayette Chess Club in the 70's and 80's.
Yep, c'est moi. I still have my Berwick Bay Browns t-shirt -- the Berwick
Bay Browns were in the National Chess League, a telephone league back in
the late 70s and... maybe early 80s. Loads of fun. Here's one game I
played:
Dennis Baker 1700+ - Bob Underwood 1800+
National Chess League 1977
New Orleans Maple Leafs vs. Atlanta Rooks
4 Knights Opening
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Bc5 4.Nxe5 Nxe5 5.d4
Bd6 6.dxe5 Bxe5 7.Bc4 d6 8.O-O Be6 9.Qe2 Ne7
10.f4 Bd4+ 11.Kh1 O-O 12.Bxe6! Bxc3 13.Bb3!
Ba5 14.Rf3 Kh8 15.Rh3 f5?? 16.Rxh7+ 1-0
DENNIS C BAKER
On 14 Jan 1997, Joshua K Bromberg wrote:
> In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.97011...@sparkie.gnofn.org>,
> DENNIS C BAKER <dc...@gnofn.org> wrote:
>
> Nyet, nyet, it's One-Knight-Two-Move Defence, and after greedy play
> > > 4.Nxe5?! Qg5 5.Nxf7?? Qxg2 6.Rf1 Qxe4+ 7.Be2 Nf3#! it becomes One
> > > Knight, Two move, Three mate Counterattack!
You misquoted. That was the *other* guy who said this.
Dave Gomboc
In article <mystic-1001...@pmb10.j51.com>,
Joshua K Bromberg <mys...@j51.com> wrote:
>In article <5b3raq$o...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, c-b...@staff.uiuc.edu
>(Charles Blair) wrote:
>
>> This is referred to in the second edition of the OXFORD CHESS COMPANION
>> as the ``Blackburne shilling gambit.'' The trap is 4 Nxe5 Qg5, but
>> I have seen claims that white can survive after this with 5 Bxf7+ Ke7
>> 6 O-O. Oxford companion recommends 4 O-O. Pachman's THE OPENING GAME
>> IN CHESS and MCO 10 recommend 4 c3.
>
>
>4. Nxe5 Qg5
>5. Bxf7+ Ke7
>6. 0-0 d6! (kicking the knight)
It seems to me that White is better after either 7. Nf3 or 7. f4.
What is wrong with the first move to come to mind, 6...Qe5?
Dave Gomboc
drgo...@a.stu.athabascau.ca
Rick Kennedy
Dave,
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nd4 4.Nxe5 Qg5 5.Bxf7+ Ke7 6.O-O Qxe5
7.Bxg8 Rxg8 8.c3 Nc6 9.d4 Keres
"The latter continuation may nonetheless be unsound, but the defense of
such positions could only be to the taste of a Steinitz or Korchnoy"
Harding _Counter Gambits_ 1973