Sam Sloan's Candidate's Statement for the July Chess Life
Sam Sloan
If you saw the article in the December issue of Atlantic Monthly, you
will have read that I am a chess writer and longtime friend of Bobby
Fischer. In a political maneuver, Fischer was expelled from the United
States Chess Federation last year. I plan to have Fischer reinstated
and brought back into chess.
I have been a member of the USCF and an active tournament player since
1956. I first met Bobby Fischer the same year. I am one of the best
known chess personalities in the US. I have attended several World
Chess Olympiads and am well known internationally as well.
I have a legal and financial background. I have been the registered
principal of a Wall Street securities firm. I argued orally a case
before the United States Supreme Court, the last non-lawyer ever to do
so, and I won the case 9-0. SEC vs. Sloan, 436 US 103 (1978).
I want to build up, expand and improve the USCF, especially in the
area of Scholastic Chess. We need to provide a chess program and chess
curriculum for the schools, especially since many schools are
requesting this. There is suddenly a tremendous interest among
children in learning chess and in competing in chess tournaments. We
need to move aggressively to try to fill that demand. We need to
develop programs, courses and teacher certifications for the schools.
I want to bring back School Mates magazine, which was abolished as a
cost-saving measure.
At the same time, we need to drop Internet chess. There is too much
competition and we have missed the boat. Let them go to the many
available Internet chess servers.
I want to reduce adult membership dues back to $39 and to leave
scholastic dues at $19, while abolishing the no-magazine option. All
members must receive a magazine.
I favor re-organization and financial reform in the USCF. Fortunately,
we have the right man to do this in Frank Niro. For at least the last
seven years I have been nagging the USCF office about its persistent
failure to adopt Generally Accepted Accounting Principles. Finally,
the USCF has agreed to do what I have been demanding ought to be done.
The new financial reports will for the first time adhere to GAAP. The
USCF has lost money six years in a row. I believe that I can help turn
this around.
We cannot continue to view scholastic chess as a loss leader. One of
the main reasons the USCF lost money six years in a row was that we
were servicing scholastic members at below cost. On a more positive
note, there has been a great expansion in the popularity of scholastic
chess. It seems like every school and every library wants a chess
teacher now. We are in demand and we must exploit these opportunities.
Sam Sloan
Paul Rubin
> I plan to have Fischer reinstated and brought back into chess.
Brought back how? By commandos? By men in white suits? Or what?
Matt Nemmers
news:3ebdce99...@ca.news.verio.net...
> If you saw the article in the December issue of Atlantic Monthly, you
> will have read that I am a chess writer and longtime friend of Bobby
> Fischer.
<SNIP>
Apparently, "longtime friends" of Sloan's are anybody who's chair was in the
vicinity of his during a tournament game.
I think Don Henley said it best when he said: "Desperado, why don't you
come to your senses...."
Regards,
Matt
> Sam Sloan
StanB
> I favor re-organization and financial reform in the USCF. Fortunately,
> we have the right man to do this in Frank Niro.
You don't think he is showing signs of burn-out?
For at least the last
> seven years I have been nagging the USCF office about its persistent
> failure to adopt Generally Accepted Accounting Principles. Finally,
> the USCF has agreed to do what I have been demanding ought to be done.
You are a lying sack of shit.
> The new financial reports will for the first time adhere to GAAP. The
> USCF has lost money six years in a row. I believe that I can help turn
> this around.
Do you have any demonstrated successes here? Ones that fall within the law?
StanB
StanB
"Paul Rubin" <http://phr...@NOSPAM.invalid> wrote in message
news:7x3cjmh...@ruckus.brouhaha.com...
> sl...@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:
> > I plan to have Fischer reinstated and brought back into chess.
>
> Brought back how? By commandos? By men in white suits? Or what?
Yea, I missed that one. Yo Sam, who the hell wants him back besides you and
the two Liarrys?
StanB
tomic
thanks for your efforts. I think that everybody who likes chess must admires
Robert Fischer. He is unbeaten world champion. All chess players would
support Sam to bring back Robert Fischer into chess, and not to push him
away. This plan is deeply human, by the way. Robert Fischer was the only
player who visited Mikhail Tal in hospital, 40 years before. He was very
human but very cruel on the board. In my opinion his humanity is big sin
today, when everything is subjected to money. His second sin is that he was
too strong chess player.
That's the real reason that some people don't like him. They have not
humanity and they are not strong chess players. The other reasons they
expose are not real, it's only hiding what I previous mentioned.
Regards,
Goran Tomic
Zelenika, Herceg Novi
Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro)
Briarroot
>
> Sam Sloan's Candidate's Statement for the July Chess Life
>
> If you saw the article in the December issue of Atlantic Monthly, you
> will have read that I am a chess writer and longtime friend of Bobby
> Fischer. In a political maneuver, Fischer was expelled from the United
> States Chess Federation last year. I plan to have Fischer reinstated
> and brought back into chess.
>
> I have been a member of the USCF and an active tournament player since
> 1956. I first met Bobby Fischer the same year. I am one of the best
> known chess personalities in the US. I have attended several World
> Chess Olympiads and am well known internationally as well.
>
> I have a legal and financial background. I have been the registered
> principal of a Wall Street securities firm. I argued orally a case
> before the United States Supreme Court, the last non-lawyer ever to do
> so, and I won the case 9-0. SEC vs. Sloan, 436 US 103 (1978).
Sheesh, what a load! A legend in his own mind. :-/
Briarroot
LOL
Everything human beings do is "deeply human."
Saddam Hussein was deeply human. So was Mother
Theresa. Who ya gonna call?
The reasons many people dislike Fischer are:
a) he punked out in 1972 and let everyone down;
b) while he was always a bit nutty, he's long
since fallen off the deep end of insanity;
c) many Americans are offended by his radio
broadcasts after 9/11 in which he publicly
delighted in the death and destruction wrought
by terrorists, and encouraged more of the same;
d) his virulent anti-Semitism is offensive to
everyone who hears him, except other anti-Semites,
of course;
None of this has anything at all to do with his
strength as a player, which if his match with Spassky
in 1992 is any indication, has understandably eroded
over the decades since he was in World Championship
form.
While we may still take delight in playing over his
games and studying his methods, Fischer has long been
an embarrassment to American chess. I hope his self-
imposed exile remains permanent.
Tim Hanke
We are not surprised that you and the other Serbs think Fischer is "deeply
human." The Serbs are "deeply human" in much the same way Fischer is.
Tim Hanke
--
I am a candidate for the U.S. Chess Federation Executive Board in the 2003
election. Please visit my website at http://www.timothyhanke.net.
tomic
> I am a candidate for the U.S. Chess Federation Executive Board in the 2003
> election. Please visit my website at http://www.timothyhanke.net.
Dear Tim,
I think that the point of your mail is the last sentence. You would like to
be elected. But, this time, we talked about chess, not your ambitious. We
talk about chess strength, about humanity, about people who like chess not
money. Fischer refused a lot of money from magnate to promote their
products. He had (and he has now) a great moral. By the way, he was free to
think and say whatever he want. He was a good friend with Reshevsky (but
ferocious enemy on the board). How do you explain this? Something is wrong
with story about interviews.
Somebody hates other man when he recognizes some of his attribute which he
don't like. So, he can't hate himself but he can hate other man. I think
that it's the same with you. You hate Bobby and you impute him your
character which you don't like. You reveal some no humanity (it doesn't
matter against which nations or religion), and you don't like to have a
chess genius who seemingly has it! I have noted that it's the first reason
which I mentioned in my first mail, why you don't like Bobby! I can only
suppose that you are weak chess player, because you want to be a chess
politician not to play chess. In my country, somebody who couldn't succeed
in music like a singer or performer, he wants to be a music critic. And,
such music critic really fights against music. I hope that it's not the case
with you.
Best wishes,
Holger Weber
"Tim Hanke" <timoth...@attbi.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:Wawva.94921$pa5....@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
> We are not surprised that you and the other Serbs think Fischer is "deeply
> human." The Serbs are "deeply human" in much the same way Fischer is.
>
> Tim Hanke
The above statement makes you a racist just like Fischer. But then I'm
German so you'll probably have something to say about that as well.
Holger Weber
Tim Hanke
>
> "Tim Hanke" <timoth...@attbi.com> schrieb ...
> > We are not surprised that you and the other Serbs think Fischer is
"deeply
> > human." The Serbs are "deeply human" in much the same way Fischer is.
>
> German so you'll probably have something to say about that as well.
>
> Holger Weber
Holger,
Nope, I'm not racist, just commenting on the facts that everyone can see.
Since you asked, the Germans were "deeply human," just like Fischer and
Serbs, in the 1930s and 1940s, but seem to have recovered well since then.
For what it's worth, I have a German last name, and my family came from
eastern Germany in the mid-1800s. We were not actually ethnic Germans; we
were Sorbs (sic), also called Wends, from a marshy region of Germany where a
pocket of Slavs lived surrounded by Germans, but retain to this day their
own culture.
Holger Weber
"Tim Hanke" <webm...@scleroderma.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:DPMva.8697$mw4....@news.primus.ca...
> "Holger Weber" <hg_weber...@yahoo.de> wrote ...
> >
> > "Tim Hanke" <timoth...@attbi.com> schrieb ...
> > > We are not surprised that you and the other Serbs think Fischer is
> "deeply
> > > human." The Serbs are "deeply human" in much the same way Fischer is.
> >
> > The above statement makes you a racist just like Fischer. But then I'm
> > German so you'll probably have something to say about that as well.
> >
> > Holger Weber
>
> Holger,
>
> Nope, I'm not racist, just commenting on the facts that everyone can see.
>
> Since you asked, the Germans were "deeply human," just like Fischer and
> Serbs, in the 1930s and 1940s, but seem to have recovered well since then.
Are you aware how many Germans were gassed in Auschwitz and other KZs
because of their Christian belief, for their political views or just because
they were handicapped? Are you really equaling them with their murderers?
Sounds pretty racist to me.
michael adams
>
> tomic wrote:
> >
> > Dear Sam,
<snip>
That's the real reason that some people don't like him. They have not
> > humanity and they are not strong chess players. The other reasons they
> > expose are not real, it's only hiding what I previous mentioned.
>
> LOL
>
> Everything human beings do is "deeply human."
> Saddam Hussein was deeply human. So was Mother
> Theresa.
I'm afraid everything humans do is not _deeply human_ - Pamela
Anderson's tits for example are 'deeply plastic', economic rationalists
& politically correct 'sheep' are often 'deeply inhumane'..
>
> The reasons many people dislike Fischer are:
<snip>
> c) many Americans are offended by his radio
> broadcasts after 9/11 in which he publicly
> delighted in the death and destruction wrought
> by terrorists, and encouraged more of the same;
Sometimes, for reasons too tedious to enumerate, people say things for
'effect', the point here is whether it's truly meant. I listened in on
some of the above broadcasts. If he really meant it he's a sadistic
c@#t, & deserves a slow, painful death, preferably sown up in the skin
of a pig..
<snip>
tomic
something bothered me about your origin. Why your family had to go away from
Germany? I'm glad to hear that you are Serb (or Sorb) and that can explain
why you hate them and Germans. Maybe the reason is because they are still
Serbs (or Germans) and they didn't change theirs nation and religion.
What will happened if you will elected for the U.S. Chess Federation
Executive Board? You'll constitute some jails for all Serbs, Germans, Jews
(like Fischer), maybe some other nation you don't like(?!) and for all
strong chess players.
But, why do you hate Fischer?! I'll try to explain again. Bobby Fischer is
very human, and he is chess genius. He is the biggest American chess player
(the second is Paul Morphy). Each chess player must admire Robert Fischer
and to be pitiful about his exile.
If you have humanity, and if you like chess, you would push the idea of
return Robert Fischer to USA. Robert Fischer was the promoter of the chess
life in the USA 30 years before. You don't want chess to prosper. You need
only to be elected. You think that's the trend in USA chess to spit on chess
genius. So, you think to get a sympathy and votes of these people. But you
are wrong. I'm sure that 99% chess players would like to see Bobby's return.
I think it's the time in chess forums, to rule people who have humanty and
who are not racists and who like chess (not like you). The time of the
racists and ambitious chameleon politicians who push their own material
interest is gone away. My conclusion is that you don't like chess and make
everything to destroy chess.
michael adams
>
> "Tim Hanke" <webm...@scleroderma.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:DPMva.8697$mw4....@news.primus.ca...
> > "Holger Weber" <hg_weber...@yahoo.de> wrote ...
> > >
> > > "Tim Hanke" <timoth...@attbi.com> schrieb ...
> > > > We are not surprised that you and the other Serbs think Fischer is
> > "deeply
> > > > human." The Serbs are "deeply human" in much the same way Fischer is.
> > >
> > > The above statement makes you a racist just like Fischer. But then I'm
> > > German so you'll probably have something to say about that as well.
> > >
> > > Holger Weber
> >
> > Holger,
> >
> > Nope, I'm not racist, just commenting on the facts that everyone can see.
> >
> > Since you asked, the Germans were "deeply human," just like Fischer and
> > Serbs, in the 1930s and 1940s, but seem to have recovered well since then.
>
> Are you aware how many Germans were gassed in Auschwitz and other KZs
> because of their Christian belief, for their political views or just because
> they were handicapped? Are you really equaling them with their murderers?
> Sounds pretty racist to me.
Ach! you seem to have 'racist' on the mind. I hope you're not another
one of these pc idiots..
michael adams
Hiya Goran,
<snip everything> (sorry)
My proposal here is to change the threadhead to "Deeply Human" or
similar, that way Sloan does'nt get to dine out on 'all' that free
publicity..
Tim Hanke
> My conclusion is that you don't like chess and make
> everything to destroy chess.
>
> Regards,
> Goran Tomic
> Zelenika, Herceg Novi
> Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro)
Goran,
Let me get this straight: because I think Fischer is a lunatic--which he
is--you say I don't like chess and I want to destroy it.
Um, no. You sound pretty screwed up to me, Goran. Just like your country.
However, I do honestly wish you and your country the best. Come out of the
darkness, and civilization will welcome you with open arms.
tomic
thanks for the best wishes to me and my country. We are very well. In my
chess life is very active. We have many our native GM. And you? Where are GM
born in USA? 90% of the competitors on your national championships are from
former Soviet Union. What is the reason for it? I think because there are
people like you in chess forums, chess politician who destroyed chess in
USA. If, I'm wrong let me know. But, what's the real reason why you don't
like Fischer return in USA chess? There is more reasons. He has humanity and
moral. His good is not money! He is very principle man, honest. You want to
project your racism and other negative attributes to him to blame him. Have
you heard Alekhine interview? Is it real? The main reason to expel Bobby was
because he had never flexured under pressures of the establishment. He was
intellectual far above you and other politicians who don't like chess. You
don't like to have free brilliant intellectual mind. I think that it's time
to stop with negative selection in chess forums.
You have problems with votes and you want to be elected. But with your
racism you have no base. Think about it. You'll never be elected.
Take the rough with the smooth.
Best regards,
Goran Tomic
tomic
I think it's the time to recall chess politicians in chess forums to return
to the real values in the life as in the chess. I'm afraid that many of them
don' take care about chess, and that they don't have humanity.
michael adams
>
> Dear Michael,
> I think it's the time to recall chess politicians in chess forums to return
> to the real values in the life as in the chess. I'm afraid that many of them
> don' take care about chess, and that they don't have humanity.
G'day Goran,
Don't worry, the game will survive with or without the 'politicos'..
'gards micky.
Tim Hanke
Goran,
I agree with you I probably won't be elected. That's fine with me, because I
regard myself as a chessplayer, not a chess politician.
It's a pity you are so deluded as to think that Bobby Fischer "has humanity
and moral" as you put it. In fact, he is a crazy man who is despised or
pitied by most people who actually have humanity and morals. Bobby Fischer
also supports killing hundreds of thousands of Jews, simply because they are
Jewish. It may be OK to say these things in your country, but over here that
kind of talk offends a lot of people.
I'm not going to argue with you any more about this, because it seems we are
not going to convince each other.
StanB
"tomic" <tom...@cg.yu> wrote in message
news:b9okkl$ks588$1...@ID-157887.news.dfncis.de...
> thanks for the best wishes to me and my country. We are very well. In my
> chess life is very active. We have many our native GM. And you? Where are
GM
> born in USA? 90% of the competitors on your national championships are
from
> former Soviet Union. What is the reason for it?
Because they are busy doing useful things with their lives. They become
doctors, scientists, businessmen and so on. Our government thought this to
be better than hire chess tutors for our bright young minds. Perhaps this is
why you live in abject poverty and ask us for money. Perhaps this is why
people come here to live and not to that shit hole you live in.
> I think because there are
> people like you in chess forums, chess politician who destroyed chess in
> USA. If, I'm wrong let me know.
You are wrong.
StanB
Don Mihokovich
(snip)
> We are not surprised that you and the other Serbs think Fischer is "deeply
> human." The Serbs are "deeply human" in much the same way Fischer is.
>
> Tim Hanke
______________________________________________
Isn't this comment by Tim more than a bit prejudiced? a bit too
prejudiced for an EB candidate?
KidDon
p.s. Before you go off thinking I find Tim's prejudiced comment
somewhat offensive because of my last name -- be advised that the
ethnic origin of "Mihokovich" is not Serbian -- it is Croatian. I,
however, am not Croatian. I am 100% American, and proud of it.
don
Tim Hanke
> "Tim Hanke" <timoth...@attbi.com> wrote ...
>
> (snip)
> > We are not surprised that you and the other Serbs think Fischer is
"deeply
> > human." The Serbs are "deeply human" in much the same way Fischer is.
> >
> > Tim Hanke
>
> ______________________________________________
>
> Isn't this comment by Tim more than a bit prejudiced? a bit too
> prejudiced for an EB candidate?
>
> KidDon
KidDon,
I'm not prejudiced against Serbs, I just read the news. The Serbs recently
destroyed an entire neighboring culture, raped the women and girls, created
torture camps, filled fields full of dead bodies, leveled great libraries
and other cultural centers that had been standing for a thousand years. I
have a problem with that.
Similarly, I have a problem with how the people of the Congo have been
behaving in the past few days--chopping up babies with machetes, etc. You
probably think I am prejudiced against them, too.
Too bad there are so many people like you, KidDon, who just don't get it.
Luckily for you, there are enough realists around to protect you and keep
you secure in your ignorance of what the world is really like.
Neo Modern
Americans were "deeply human" to Native Americans and to African
Americans! So, what does that say about you Tim. Absolutely
nothing!!!! Just as your comments, Tim, say nothing about others.
NM
StanB
"tomic" <tom...@cg.yu> wrote in message
> I think it's the time to recall chess politicians in chess forums to
return
> to the real values in the life as in the chess. I'm afraid that many of
them
> don' take care about chess, and that they don't have humanity.
And chess has real value in life? How many lives have been saved thank you
to chess?
StanB
Tim Hanke
Neo Modern,
Yes, I agree those were evil things. However, the people who did those
things are mostly dead and gone now.
The Serbs who raped, murdered, and destroyed an entire culture a few years
ago are pretty much all still walking the streets in Serbia. It seems fair
to condemn what they did, does it not?
tomic
where are your native American chess players? Is it Shabalov? Khmelnitsky?
Seirawan? I'll explain you the reason. Maybe you don't want to hear it but
it's the true. You have not chess culture and chess school like Botvinnik's
school. Why?
Because it's not connected with money. It's connected with love, humanity,
moral, and love for chess. Do you personally have these attributes? Does
anyone in your chess forums, who expelled Bobby Fischer from USCF, has any
of these attributes? We are not talking of money. We are not interested in
money. It doesn't matter. If it was notable, the nation with high income
will be the first on the Chess Olympiads. But, as you know the true is that
team of Russian is the first and second Hungary (By the way, my dear country
is in high position 10. with our Yugoslav born chess players.) What do you
think about it. Where are native Americans on Olympiads. How many years had
your Olympic team? Compare with Hungary team! Evidently, something was gone
wrong with USCF. You need people who love chess. You need people who will
put the chess interest on the first place.
You have to reveal the problem, not to function like an ostrich.
You had excellent young chess players, but chess politicians destroyed them.
Your last sentence shows some lack of the education.
I'm by the way chess trainer, and professor. So, I know what is the point of
the education. And you??
Best wishes,
Goran Tomic,
Zelenika, Herceg Novi
Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montengro)
StanB
"Neo Modern" <sllo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:df6c5d89.03051...@posting.google.com...
> Americans were "deeply human" to Native Americans and to African
> Americans! So, what does that say about you Tim. Absolutely
> nothing!!!! Just as your comments, Tim, say nothing about others.
Hey, why stop there? Why not go back to Genghis Kahn and Ramese II. Current
events usually happen in one's lifetime.
StanB
tomic
I'm very glad to hear that you have no more ambitious about USCF election.
That's the small step for you but in the same time big step for the US
chess.
Thanks again!
I'm sure that in another step you'll support Sam's idea to return back Bobby
Fischer, the best American chess player in USCF. Bobby deserve it. Hi
dedicate all his life to chess.
Best wishes,
Tim Hanke
Goran,
Everything you say is correct. Unfortunately, Tim Hanke, who hates chess, is
ruining everything for the Americans. He has no morals and is not "deeply
human" like Bobby Fischer and you Serbs. If only we could get rid of this
guy Hanke, everything would be wonderful and Bobby Fischer would return and
lead American chess back to greatness.
Tim Hanke
Goran,
No problem, Gor, I am doing my part for American chess, however small.
Thanks for your kind words.
But I'm sorry, I can't let Fischer back in the country. I made a deal with
the World Jewish Conspiracy that I would personally make sure Fischer was
exiled from America forever. You see, the Jews pay me a lot of money, and I
am not going to betray them until somebody else offers me a better deal.
Please don't tell anybody I told you this.
tomic
you are talking very similar and you have similar erroneously premises. Like
in chess, it's not enough to be a good player, you have to play good. I
mean, it's not enough to live in big country, you personally have to be big.
You have to possess some intellectual width, not to be slave of the
prejudices.
Try to develop love to chess. Try to develop your humanity. Try to raise
your personal culture. Try to understand other people. Don't be racists.
Bring back your champion, chess genius Robert Fischer. Take his book ("My 60
memorable chess games."). You'll feel better if you do something human.
I hope this help!
tomic
> guy Hanke, everything would be wonderful and Bobby Fischer would return
and
> lead American chess back to greatness.
>
> Tim Hanke
Dear Tim,
I didn't want to heart you. Sorry. But you have to be human in relation
Bobby Fischer. Sam's idea about bring back Robert Fischer is very human and
useful for US chess.
Best wishes,
Goran Tomic,
Zelenika, Herceg Novi
Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro)
Tim Hanke
Goran,
Thank you for your deeply insightful remarks. You are truly the master of
subtlety, and I think I can speak on behalf of Stan when I express our
gratitude for sharing your kindly wisdom with unworthy Americans like
ourselves.
However, I do not want to distract you any longer from raping and pillaging
your neighbors. I myself have to get back to work on my magnum opus, "Why I
Hate Chess," and my forthcoming magazine article, "Bobby Fischer: Deeply
Human or Merely Insane?"
tomic
I'm sending you my apologizes. I didn't want to offend you. I want only to
explain you and Stan that majority of the chess players in the World and in
the US want to bring back Robert Fischer. He don't deserve to live like a
refuge. He was (is) World chess champion. Why you don't like to have
American world chess champion? It doesn't sense. Each hundred years you have
the World champion and you exiled him! You remember how he was in jail (the
tale was that he was similar with criminal). Do you believe that it's real
reason he was imprisoned? That was before "notorious interviews"! Who
defended him then? Your chess forums constantly pushed him away. You have to
recall that chess was (is) his life. If it was the only reason you'd respect
him. But, he has many excellent attributes. By the way he teaches the right
relation toward chess. He had never made draw without fight. He had (has)
honest relation toward chess. And other chess players?
Paul Rubin
> I didn't want to heart you. Sorry. But you have to be human in relation
> Bobby Fischer. Sam's idea about bring back Robert Fischer is very human and
> useful for US chess.
I'd be very happy if Fischer could recover from his illness and get
involved with chess again. However, Fischer seems to have no interest
in coming back to chess, and in any case he despises the USCF. So I
snort at the idea of Sam bringing Fischer back to the USCF kicking and
ranting.
StanB
"tomic" <tom...@cg.yu> wrote in message
> where are your native American chess players?
Playing basketball, baseball, American football, making movies, cutting
records, painting paintings, curing diseases, designing computer chips, and
inventing smart bombs. All such things improve the quality of life for
humanity.
> Is it Shabalov? Khmelnitsky?
> Seirawan? I'll explain you the reason. Maybe you don't want to hear it but
> it's the true. You have not chess culture and chess school like
Botvinnik's
> school. Why?
Because we never asked our government to fund such a frivilous pastime.
> Because it's not connected with money. It's connected with love, humanity,
> moral, and love for chess. Do you personally have these attributes? Does
> anyone in your chess forums, who expelled Bobby Fischer from USCF, has any
> of these attributes? We are not talking of money. We are not interested in
> money. It doesn't matter. If it was notable, the nation with high income
> will be the first on the Chess Olympiads. But, as you know the true is
that
> team of Russian is the first and second Hungary (By the way, my dear
country
> is in high position 10. with our Yugoslav born chess players.) What do you
> think about it. Where are native Americans on Olympiads. How many years
had
> your Olympic team? Compare with Hungary team! Evidently, something was
gone
> wrong with USCF. You need people who love chess. You need people who will
> put the chess interest on the first place.
Why for heavens sake? To beatify some pig like Bobby Fischer?
> You have to reveal the problem, not to function like an ostrich.
> You had excellent young chess players, but chess politicians destroyed
them.
How so?
> Your last sentence shows some lack of the education.
Yes I only went as far as post-gradute studies.
> I'm by the way chess trainer, and professor. So, I know what is the point
of
> the education. And you??
Yes I know the point of education. Also, I know the point of re-education.
Tell me, when the heroes of the Serbian Army raped the little boys and girls
did they cry? I did.
StanB
StanB
"Tim Hanke" <webm...@scleroderma.org> wrote in message
news:qdSva.140$Ch1...@news.primus.ca...
> Goran,
>
> Everything you say is correct. Unfortunately, Tim Hanke, who hates chess,
is
> ruining everything for the Americans. He has no morals and is not "deeply
> human" like Bobby Fischer and you Serbs. If only we could get rid of this
> guy Hanke, everything would be wonderful and Bobby Fischer would return
and
> lead American chess back to greatness.
You have a better chance of Paul Morphy returning from the dead. BTW how
many world champions has the country that was once Yugoslavia, produce?
StanB
StanB
"tomic" <tom...@cg.yu> wrote in message
I think I can speak for Tim when I say you really should stop working in the
poppy fields. It is corrupting your wonderful intelligence. I forget. What
was his name? Glorious Serbian World Champion?
StanB
StanB
"tomic" <tom...@cg.yu> wrote in message
> Dear Tim and Stan,
> you are talking very similar and you have similar erroneously premises.
Like
> in chess, it's not enough to be a good player, you have to play good. I
> mean, it's not enough to live in big country, you personally have to be
big.
> You have to possess some intellectual width, not to be slave of the
> prejudices.
> Try to develop love to chess. Try to develop your humanity. Try to raise
> your personal culture. Try to understand other people. Don't be racists.
> Bring back your champion, chess genius Robert Fischer. Take his book ("My
60
> memorable chess games."). You'll feel better if you do something human.
> I hope this help!
Maybe you study now and become master. Then come tell me child, why I should
listen to you.
StanB
Briarroot
>
> Briarroot wrote:
> >
> > Everything human beings do is "deeply human."
> > Saddam Hussein was deeply human. So was Mother
> > Theresa.
>
> I'm afraid everything humans do is not _deeply human_ - Pamela
> Anderson's tits for example are 'deeply plastic', economic rationalists
> & politically correct 'sheep' are often 'deeply inhumane'..
Her tits may be artificially enlarged, but her desire
to enhance them is entirely human, as is our desire to
look at them.
A humane action would be one characterized by kindness
and concern for one's fellows, but all human actions are
certainly not humane. Perhaps tomic has confused the two
terms.
> > The reasons many people dislike Fischer are:
>
> <snip>
>
> > c) many Americans are offended by his radio
> > broadcasts after 9/11 in which he publicly
> > delighted in the death and destruction wrought
> > by terrorists, and encouraged more of the same;
>
> Sometimes, for reasons too tedious to enumerate, people say things for
> 'effect', the point here is whether it's truly meant. I listened in on
> some of the above broadcasts. If he really meant it he's a sadistic
> c@#t, & deserves a slow, painful death, preferably sown up in the skin
> of a pig..
I agree. However, taken together with his other
broadcast remarks, I believe he meant every word.
Briarroot
>
>
> If you have humanity, and if you like chess, you would push the idea of
> return Robert Fischer to USA. Robert Fischer was the promoter of the chess
> life in the USA 30 years before. You don't want chess to prosper. You need
> only to be elected. You think that's the trend in USA chess to spit on chess
> genius. So, you think to get a sympathy and votes of these people. But you
> are wrong. I'm sure that 99% chess players would like to see Bobby's return.
>
> I think it's the time in chess forums, to rule people who have humanty and
> who are not racists and who like chess (not like you). The time of the
> racists and ambitious chameleon politicians who push their own material
> interest is gone away. My conclusion is that you don't like chess and make
> everything to destroy chess.
... or perhaps just generally confused!
Briarroot
>
> Dear Tim,
> thanks for the best wishes to me and my country. We are very well. In my
> chess life is very active. We have many our native GM. And you? Where are GM
> born in USA? 90% of the competitors on your national championships are from
> people like you in chess forums, chess politician who destroyed chess in
> like Fischer return in USA chess? There is more reasons. He has humanity and
> moral. His good is not money! He is very principle man, honest. You want to
> project your racism and other negative attributes to him to blame him. Have
> you heard Alekhine interview? Is it real? The main reason to expel Bobby was
> because he had never flexured under pressures of the establishment. He was
> intellectual far above you and other politicians who don't like chess. You
> don't like to have free brilliant intellectual mind. I think that it's time
> to stop with negative selection in chess forums.
> You have problems with votes and you want to be elected. But with your
> racism you have no base. Think about it. You'll never be elected.
> Take the rough with the smooth.
Yep. Absolutely confused.
Briarroot
Weren't the native Americans also being deeply human
when they massacred European settlers? Weren't the
Africans who sold their fellows to European slave
traders, also deeply human?
Yes of course. So what?
Briarroot
>
> No problem, Gor, I am doing my part for American chess, however small.
> Thanks for your kind words.
>
> But I'm sorry, I can't let Fischer back in the country. I made a deal with
> the World Jewish Conspiracy that I would personally make sure Fischer was
> exiled from America forever. You see, the Jews pay me a lot of money, and I
> am not going to betray them until somebody else offers me a better deal.
> Please don't tell anybody I told you this.
Heheh. Even now, Sam Sloan is probably broadcasting this
paragraph around the world, and 'knowing' individuals like
tomic are nodding their heads in agreement. :-/
Briarroot
If anyone were under the impression that chess players
were more intelligent than average, tomic's astounding
take on chess and world affairs should provide a startling
counterpoint.
Louis Blair
Anglo-Saxon Protestant communities, I was never racially
prejudiced till I actually met people from other ethnic groups
and learned what they were like; but that's another story, and
one that won't win me many friends in these politically correct
times, so I'll just skip it." - Timothy Hanke (2003-04-22
12:05:29 PST)
"Actually I want to correct what I wrote here, because I didn't
mean to use the word 'racially.' That was a typo; I should
have said 'culturally.' The fact is I am not racially prejudiced
against black, brown, yellow, or red people, but I am
culturally prejudiced. Nowadays it is fashionable to argue
in favor of cultural relativism, but I happen to believe some
cultures do have better values than other cultures. And that,
as Forrest Gump said, is all I am going to say about that."
- Timothy Hanke (2003-04-22 12:15:34 PST)
Steven Rockwell
> Try to develop love to chess. Try to develop your humanity. Try to raise
> your personal culture. Try to understand other people. Don't be racists.
> Bring back your champion, chess genius Robert Fischer. Take his book ("My 60
> memorable chess games."). You'll feel better if you do something human.
> I hope this help!
>
> Regards,
> Goran Tomic
> Zelenika, Herceg Novi
> Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro)
Nobody is saying that Bobby Fischer isn't a chess genius (or wasn't at
his peak). What we're saying is the man is a racist fruitcake that we
don't want to associate with. The ability to push the pieces can only
go so far, and with the bile coming out of Fischer a lot of American
players just assume look only at his games and not even acknowledge
his current existence, especially after his post-9/11 comments.
Thankfully he is a recluse and the only Fischer he have to deal with
on a regular basis is in the game notation he left behind.
michael adams
Sounds like you didn't have such a great tourney, 'course chess has
value. Originally conceived to sate the blood lust of despots, how many
lives were saved when 'they' took it up?..
Steven Rockwell
>How many lives have been saved thank you to chess?
Ahhh, yes. The summer of '68. Those were heady days for me,
backpacking across Europe, protesting the war with my good buddy Bill.
We were both Oxford students. We split up in Vienna because of a
fight over some pot. I wanted him to smoke a big fattie, but he
insisted on not inhaling. I heard he ended up in Moscow, and
eventually became some kind of lawyer in Arkansas. He did have a way
with the ladies, I can tell you. I wonder whatever became of ol'
Bill.
At any rate, I hooked up with a couple of buddies in Paris and we
headed to Istanbul in late June. One of them got a package while we
were passing through Berlin, but I thought nothing of it. Shortly we
crossed into Turkey when the boarder guards began checking our things.
Little did I know what was in that package. Oh, the memories of the
beatings we recieved at the hands of the Turkish police come rushing
back everytime I see "Airplane!" and hear Peter Graves ask, "Jimmy,
have you ever been to a Turkish prison?"
I'll spare you the details of my incarceration, except to tell you
about Ishmael, the head guard and the events of July 30, 1968.
Ishmael was a chess fiend and when he said chess was life, he meant
it. He would randomly pick a prisoner to play against and the loser
would have to play Russian Roulette with an automatic pistol, a' la
"The Deer Hunter" The previous two nights, my friends had failed. It
left only me. After preparing for my game thanks to a regimine of
shower rapings and starvation coupled with beatings, I knew I was
ready.
Ishmael opened with e4. I countered with e5 and was backhanded for my
efforts. Confidently, Ishmael brought forth his knight Nf3. As
quickly as my manicaled hands could move it, I made my move: Nc6.
Ishmael muttered something in Turkish and one of the guards grabbed a
fistful of my hair, and yanked it out. Bb5 was his next move. I knew
I needed to be careful so I moved my pawn to f5. Ishmael merely
squinted as he tried to concentrate, while his trwo guard goons took
turns flicking my earlobes for 10 minutes. At last, Ishmael moved d4
and the guards stopped. A rapid exchange of moves. I took a pawn by
fxe4, he retorted Nxe5, but I countered with Nxe5. His goons punched
me in the teeth while he moved dxe5. I merely smiled with blood
dripping as I moved. c6! Oh, Ishmael shook with rage.
After I awoke from the beating for such a move, I saw Ishmael had
moved: Bc4. I felt I had no choice...Qa5+ For this, I received a
faceful of boiling oil. Though I could barely see through the
stinging tears and the oil, I saw his move: Nc3. Reaching for the
board, I moved my queen Qxe5. For such a trade I was rewarded with an
iron bar struck across the soles of my feet. My tears of pain
suddenly gave way to tears of joy as I saw Ishmael begin to sweat and
he made his cautious move:O-O
I knew I had him at his point. The guards quit rubbing their
cigarette butts out on my face long enough for me to move a pawn d5,
then they continued. Ishmael screamed for silence while he thought of
a move. The gag muffled my screams as clothespins were placed on my
nipples and testicles, but I saw he broguht out his bishop Bb3. It
took every bit of attention for me to make my move: Nf6 followed by a
kick to the grunies. Be3 was followed by Bd6 followed by a boot to
the gut.
After I finished puking up my guts I saw his fatal blunder: g3 My
move was string Bg4! almost as strong as the beating that followed.
The swelling of my eyes nearly prevented me from seeing Qd2. Bf3 was
my strike. The holes in his defense were clear even to someone
getting a hot coffee enema. He tried to plug the hole by Bf4 but I
expanded the hole like a plunger in the rectum with Qh5! Panicked,
Ishmael moved Nd1 and before his goons could resume hitting me with
fists, clubs, shoes, and blocks of cheese I moved Qh3, sealing his
fate. He tried to get out of his doom by Ne3, but I crawled out of
the throng of arms and failing fists in time to move Ng4!
Ishmael knew it was almost over when he saw the warden loading the
gun. Even the guards stopped beating me long enough to see the end.
Ishmael tried Rfe1 and was stopped by Qxh2+. The warden put the gun
to Ishmael's head. He moved...Kf1. The warden cocked the hammer. I
moved my hands and gripped my piece. Qh1 Checkmate. The triggered
was pulled...
A week later I was in Bangkok a rook down with the fate of the free
world at state...but that's a tale for another time. But suffice to
say, yes, at least one life has been saved by chess...mine.
tomic
I'm glad to hear that you have high education. So, I think that you could
understand me. By the way, I finished my post-graduated studies more than 10
years ago.
You must concentrate on the problem. The point is that you have done a big
mistake and expelled Bobby Fischer. He is chess genius. I suggest you to
read Genius in Chess (J. Levitt, 128 pages, Batsford, 1997). When you read
it you'll understand why you must bring back genius home!
Do you love anything? Do you love chess? Have you a high moral? Humanity?
Can you think without rage (when you are angry, you can't think logical, and
that's not you)? I'm sure that you have better attributes then these you
have shown in this mail. But, I'll help you.
You need some creative approach to this problem. You have to accept you have
no strong native born GM. After that you can start to resolve this problem.
Step by step. So, you'll comprehend that you need Bobby.
The hardiest thing to do is to change oneself. But, it's necessary. USCF
need better people than you and Tim (sorry Tim, but it's true). You use
logic like some people 60 years before. Nowadays chess advances in India,
China, Europe, Ukraine, Russia. Why don't you progress? You must give money
to chess! You have to enable young talents to prosper. To pay professional
coaches. To establish chess schools, not only on the college. You have to
make big tournaments like Hastings, Linnares and so on. There are many
things to do (and disburse a lot of money). But you can start. You have to
bring back Bobby Fischer. That's the first step.
I hope this helps!
Best wishes,
Goran Tomic,
Zelenika, Herceg Novi,
Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro)
michael adams
G'day Goran,
Is 'Zelenika' a 'club' name?. My mate Rudi sez Herceg Novi is on the
gold coast, Montenegro. Don't let StanB know how beautiful it is there,
the woman, the food, the wine. He & his trailer trash friends, might
decide to vacation & lower the 'tone'..
michael adams
>
> "Don Mihokovich" <Donald.M...@Ruden.com> wrote ...
> > "Tim Hanke" <timoth...@attbi.com> wrote ...
> >
> > (snip)
> > > We are not surprised that you and the other Serbs think Fischer is
> "deeply
> > > human." The Serbs are "deeply human" in much the same way Fischer is.
> > >
> > > Tim Hanke
> >
> > ______________________________________________
> >
> > Isn't this comment by Tim more than a bit prejudiced? a bit too
> > prejudiced for an EB candidate?
> >
> > KidDon
>
> KidDon,
>
> I'm not prejudiced against Serbs, I just read the news. The Serbs recently
> destroyed an entire neighboring culture, raped the women and girls, created
> torture camps, filled fields full of dead bodies, leveled great libraries
> and other cultural centers that had been standing for a thousand years. I
> have a problem with that.
>
> Similarly, I have a problem with how the people of the Congo have been
> behaving in the past few days--chopping up babies with machetes, etc. You
> probably think I am prejudiced against them, too.
>
> Too bad there are so many people like you, KidDon, who just don't get it.
> Luckily for you, there are enough realists around to protect you and keep
> you secure in your ignorance of what the world is really like.
>
clap, clap, clap, clap, clap.. (vote for Tim.)
michael adams
First, maybe help, if you clean out ears.. (Wang Sing)
tomic
you are right. That's gold coast, Montenegro. Nowadays starts Chess Festival
in Budva.
Herceg Novi is known as a town of artist. There are many sculptors,
painters, writers and others. Our writer who won the Nobel price, Ivo
Andric, "The Bridge Over the Drina", lived in Herceg Novi, too. Near the sea
shore in the lush vegetation there is one of the most striking examples of
the architecture from the time of Baroque on the Adriatic coast. It is
Monastery Savina.
We hope, you can feel the mentality of these people!
Zelenika is a part of Herceg Novi. That word, "Zelenika" mean "Green".
The weather is beautiful, so every day I'm going to the beach, with my
family. I'd like to see Tim and Stan here, I'm sure that they will change
their bad temper after that. Maybe they'll be relaxed so they could think on
right way about Bobby Fischer. He was also in Herceg Novi on strong blitz
tournament 32 years before. Kasparov was also here on the tournament in
1980's. We return him back in world championship cycles (he had some
problems about playing against GM Korchnoi). After that he become World
champion.
Bobby Fischer and Boris Spassky played on glad coast of Montenegro, 1992, in
San Stefan (and after that in Belgrade). That was very fantastic event. They
are really great. Boris is well known like chess gentleman. But he is much
more. Like a Bobby.
I'm sending my best wishes to you and to Rudy,
Regards,
Goran Tomic
Zelenika, Herce Novi
Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro)
Wlodzimierz Holsztynski
>
> [...]
> My proposal here is to change the threadhead to "Deeply Human" or
> similar, that way Sloan does'nt get to dine out on 'all' that free
> publicity..
But either way, it makes no difference.
Wlod
tomic
>Who did we "exile" previously?
What happened with World champion Steinitz? Asylum. Why? And Pillsbury? You
wanted to split his brain hemispheres? The reason was only syphilis? There
are many examples. If somebody don't escape you'll destroy him psychically.
And what happened to Morphy?
If it's not sad, it will be ridiculous!
But, there is a nice time ahead you. But you must change you attitude toward
chess, chess players, people, religion, races and the first of all to
develop humanity. That's the first step in individual grow. After that you
have to ask Robert Fischer to apologize you and come back to his home. After
that you can expect that US chess will be on the place where it have to
be-near top.
Best wishes,
Goran Tomic,
Zelenika, Herceg Novi
Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro)
Don Mihokovich
________________________________
No Tim. "The Serbs" didn't do those things. "Some Serbs" did. It is
the generalization that makes your comments prejudiced. I do get it.
Prejudiced people like you clearly don't.
KidDon
Don Mihokovich
____________________________________
You can now add to that his recent comments condemning the entire
Serbian culture as a whole for the acts of some Serbs. To Tim, it
appears that once a group of people from any culture other than his
own commit a wrong, the entire culture must be condemned as a whole.
And of course, anybody who disagrees with Tim must be "stupid" or
"ignorant" or the like.
StanB
"Steven Rockwell" <rock...@ezwv.com> wrote in message
news:bd3776d4.03051...@posting.google.com...
> A week later I was in Bangkok a rook down with the fate of the free
> world at state...but that's a tale for another time. But suffice to
> say, yes, at least one life has been saved by chess...mine.
I'll be damned!
StanB
StanB
> Is 'Zelenika' a 'club' name?. My mate Rudi sez Herceg Novi is on the
> gold coast, Montenegro. Don't let StanB know how beautiful it is there,
> the woman, the food, the wine. He & his trailer trash friends, might
> decide to vacation & lower the 'tone'..
Serbia is well known for it's abundance of cheap whores.
StanB
tomic
I hope it will be interesting for you and others.
I'll describe our life and work with students.
Each school in my country has a special name of our national heroes, perhaps
a famous writer or scientist ( Mihajlo Pupin,
Nikola Tesla, Ivo Andric, Njegos...)
In May the excursion is organized for the students of the eighth class. It
lasts 5-6 days and they go all over Yugoslavia, visit its capital,
monasteries which are very "rich" with saintly things. They usually visit
the Ostrog Monastery, the Cetinje monastery, the Gracanica Monastery, the
Milesevo monastery and others. The students from high school usually go to
Greece, Italy and Hungary. They go with their form masters by hired bus. The
other classes go to the trips in the neighborhood. At the end of the
school-year the students have an organized party, usually at the hotel. They
always invite teachers who they like best. Some of them have video-cameras
and make a movie so we can watch it again in the classroom.
Our school is by the sea and some teachers sometimes have classes on the
beach, like an Art teacher, P.E. teacher, Biology teacher ...
After that, I'm sending some from our rich culture and history.
CETINJE - A PLACE WHERE CULTURE AND HISTORY MEET
Cetinje, a small town in Montenegro, lies on the slopes of Mt. Lovcen. It is
only about forty kilometers from the well-known Adriatic resorts of Budva
and Kotor.
Ivan Crnojevic founded the town in 1842 and named it after the river Cetina
which then flowed through the valley.
The first printed book of the South Slavs was printed in Cetinje in 1493. It
was an Orthodox prayer book. It is now kept in the Cetinje monastery and it
is valued as a real masterpiece of printing.
Bishop-prince Petar Petrovic Njegos lived and ruled in Cetinje from 1830 to
1851. There he opened two schools and supported the printing of books. A man
of great education and a poet of genius, he traveled a lot abroad and
offered hospitality to many well-known people of the time.
His residence Biljarda has been turned into a museum. The museum includes a
rich library with books written in several languages, and his billiard table
after which the whole building was named. His most important works were writ
ten in the Biljarda: MOUNTAIN WREATH, LIGHT OF THE MICROCOSM, SCEPAN THE
SMALL, and others.
Cetinje is famous as a town-museum. It has five well-known museums, an Art
Gallery, the Central Library of Montenegro, etc.
That's our life. I hope that helps to Stan and Tim to understand that we
know what is worth. We very appreciate our writers, painters (Dado
Djuric...), chess players and so on. We also respect all the universal
values.
We are talking now about chess. Rober Fischer is the biggest chess promoter.
The least you can do is to ask Bobby Fischer to forgive you (not personaly,
he probably don't know that you and Tim exist, but generaly USCF) and to
return back to USA. 99 % of the chess players in USA and 100% aroud the
world will salute it. But it will be the biggest profit for the US chess.
You have to show love to your famous people and chess genius like people in
my country. Each injustice in the world hurt us. Bobby Fischer is universal
wealth. You have not push them away. With him your chess present and history
will be wealthy. Otherwise the history will not forgive you (It's mean not
personaly, you and Tim, but each chess player who can do something in this
direction).
I personaly salute your decision to correct that big mistake.
It's high time to do it!
Warmest regards,
Goran Tomic
Liam Too
>>However, I do not want to distract you any longer from raping and
pillaging
> your neighbors. I myself have to get back to work on my magnum opus, "Why I
> Hate Chess," and my forthcoming magazine article, "Bobby Fischer: Deeply
> Human or Merely Insane?" Tim Hanke<<
I believe that Tim Hanke compared his son with an AS to Bobby Fischer
at one time or another.
I'm sure that the Dr. Blair files had this one archived.
Louis Blair
> I believe that Tim Hanke compared his son with an AS to
> Bobby Fischer at one time or another.
>
> I'm sure that the Dr. Blair files had this one archived.
_
I did not have the quote in my files, but it is easy enough
to find it on Google:
"As I have written before, I believe it likely that Fischer
has a high-functioning variation of autism called Asperger's
Syndrome. One of my sons has this condition. Typical
characteristics include physical clumsiness (like Fischer,
my son has an awkward stride; one Fischer anecdote has
him stabbing himself in the cheek with his fork as he is
trying to eat), underdeveloped interpersonal skills,
stubbornness, rigid morality, sustained concentration,
and obsession with narrow and esoteric fields of
knowledge (if chess doesn't qualify, I don't know what
does).
Persons with Asperger's Syndrome often have high IQs
and may often succeed in fields where interpersonal skills
are less important." - Timothy Hanke (2003-03-31
11:38:32 PST)
Matt Nemmers
> world at state...but that's a tale for another time. But suffice to
> say, yes, at least one life has been saved by chess...mine.
Well, one night in Bangkok makes even a hard man humble.
Regards,
Matt
raylopez99
> "Tim Hanke" <webm...@scleroderma.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:DPMva.8697$mw4....@news.primus.ca...
> > "Holger Weber" <hg_weber...@yahoo.de> wrote ...
> > >
> > > "Tim Hanke" <timoth...@attbi.com> schrieb ...
> Are you aware how many Germans were gassed in Auschwitz and other KZs
> because of their Christian belief, for their political views or just because
> they were handicapped?
Some random thoughts while reading this thread:
I believe that statistics will show that 'only' 130,000 German citizen
Jews were killed in the holocaust, out of the 6 million killed (the 6
million Jews figure is not incorrect, but the vast majority of these
Jews were not German citizens), and that two-thirds of German Jews
escaped German before WWII started in full swing.
I am impressed by the hoary history of Sam Sloan (he had Supreme Court
judge Reinquist opine on him!), even though he has a lot of
detractors. Not that I would vote him into office.
From this tread, Tim Hanke does not sound like Candidate material. I
would not vote for him. Just my opinion.
This newsgroup has a definite "American" flavor, where an entire
life's work is wiped out by (puritanical) moral peccadillos. The fact
that Fischer is a racist, probably clinically insane (though who is
insane in America is often more art than science, and driven by
Medicare funding), is not material IMO for his chess skills and
recognition of same, unless you are trying to promote him as a role
model "for the children". But there are more suitable candidates for
that: Maurice Ashley, the Polgar sisters, etc.
Ray Lopez
Now, back to the circus...
raylopez99
man! The man with the plan! Goran is no 'also-ran'!" (It's a little
too busy for a sound bite I admit).
Goran, you running for anything my friend? Or running *from*
anything? :-)
Anybody who lives in the Balkans gets my vote... if you can survive
there, you can thrive anywhere...
Ray Lopez
"tomic" <tom...@cg.yu> wrote in message news:<b9ovqm$lo6il$1...@ID-157887.news.dfncis.de>...
> Dear Tim and Stan,
> you are talking very similar and you have similar erroneously premises. Like
> in chess, it's not enough to be a good player, you have to play good. I
> mean, it's not enough to live in big country, you personally have to be big.
> You have to possess some intellectual width, not to be slave of the
> prejudices.
> Try to develop love to chess. Try to develop your humanity. Try to raise
> your personal culture. Try to understand other people. Don't be racists.
> Bring back your champion, chess genius Robert Fischer. Take his book ("My 60
> memorable chess games."). You'll feel better if you do something human.
> I hope this help!
>
> Regards,
Briarroot
>
> This newsgroup has a definite "American" flavor, where an entire
> life's work is wiped out by (puritanical) moral peccadillos. The fact
> that Fischer is a racist, probably clinically insane (though who is
> insane in America is often more art than science, and driven by
> Medicare funding), is not material IMO for his chess skills and
> recognition of same, unless you are trying to promote him as a role
> model "for the children". But there are more suitable candidates for
> that: Maurice Ashley, the Polgar sisters, etc.
With Fischer running around loose in the USA[1], making
his insane and insulting observations, embarrassing the
USCF, and generally making a spectacle of himself; the
unfortunate consequences would be that chess would be
further marginalized in the minds of the vast majority
of citizens, who aren't players anyway and don't care
about the game. Fischer would be a disaster for US chess.
I think we in the US are lucky he has kept himself so far
away from us, here's hoping he continues to stay away.
There are definitely better candidates to be held up in
front of the public than Fischer. I'd accept almost any
one but him. GM Ashley would be a fine spokesman.
Fischer's life's work has not been "wiped out," we continue
to enjoy his published games, and don't forget that it was
his decision to stop playing. No one forced him to quit.
Recall that several people went to great lengths to accommodate
him back in 1972, bending over so far backwards one could almost
hear their spines cracking! There's no one to blame for Fischer's
continuing absence but the man himself.
[1] The fact that Fischer doesn't seem to *want* to come
back to the USA seems to be overlooked in these discussions.
For the moment, he can't come back anyway, without facing the
legal consequences resulting from his ignoring the Executive
Order banning business/trade with the former Yugoslavia in 1992.
John A. Swartz
> His second sin is that he was
> too strong chess player.
> That's the real reason that some people don't like him.
That is the ONLY reason to like Fischer...
Reasons to dislike Fischer are many, and have been gone over ad
nauseum.
John
John A. Swartz
> Are you aware how many Germans were gassed in Auschwitz and other KZs
> because of their Christian belief, for their political views or just because
> they were handicapped?
Are you not aware that the Holocaust never happened? Bobby Fischer said
so! ;-)
John A. Swartz
tomic wrote:
>
> Dear Tim,
> thanks for the best wishes to me and my country. We are very well. In my
> chess life is very active. We have many our native GM. And you? Where are GM
> born in USA? 90% of the competitors on your national championships are from
> former Soviet Union. What is the reason for it? I think because there are
> people like you in chess forums, chess politician who destroyed chess in
> USA. If, I'm wrong let me know.
IMHO, you are wrong.
> But, what's the real reason why you don't
> like Fischer return in USA chess? There is more reasons. He has humanity and
> moral. His good is not money!
I assume you mean "God". And with Fischer, how can you say his good
(sic) is not money when he demands so much?
> He is very principle man, honest. You want to
> project your racism and other negative attributes to him to blame him.
Have you listened to Fischer's racism lately?
> The main reason to expel Bobby was
> because he had never flexured under pressures of the establishment. He was
> intellectual far above you and other politicians who don't like chess.
Bobby is under indictment for defying his Government for playing the
1992 match. He also owes tax money to his (former?) country. He was
"expelled" from USCF recently for his extremely hateful disparaging
remarks against the U.S. after the 9/11 attacks. None of that has
anything to do with his intellect or politics.
> You have problems with votes and you want to be elected. But with your
> racism you have no base. Think about it. You'll never be elected.
> Take the rough with the smooth.
>
Tim's got my vote - Sam does not.
John
John A. Swartz
> Try to understand other people. Don't be racists.
> Bring back your champion, chess genius Robert Fischer.
Sure, so we can all enjoy Fischer's racism???
tomic
news:3EC3AE6F...@mitre.org...
Dear John,
I don't know what mean "nauseum". Can you explain detailed?
You must remember that Bobby is a Jew and his friend Reshevsky was a Jew. So
please, can you take a benigner word. He deserves admiration, not courses
and ugly words.
Everybody know that he didn't do anything wrong. But some people exiled him.
They are talking about some words, he said.
I cite something: "In 1992 Fischer stunned the chess world. After 20 years'
hibernation he decided to play a rematch with Spassky. No less sensational
were his statements at the press conferences in Yugoslavia that all the
matches between Karpov and Kasparov had been prearranged and fixed. The
American grandmaster's words seemed eccentric and even insulting."
That's the origin of his present troubles. Chess forums don't like such
true. I have much to say, but I don't know if you are interested in these
facts.
John A. Swartz
tomic wrote:
>
> "John A. Swartz" <jsw...@mitre.org> wrote in message
> news:3EC3AE6F...@mitre.org...
> >
> > > His second sin is that he was
> > > too strong chess player.
> > > That's the real reason that some people don't like him.
> >
> > That is the ONLY reason to like Fischer...
> >
> > Reasons to dislike Fischer are many, and have been gone over ad
> > nauseum.
> >
> > John
>
> Dear John,
> I don't know what mean "nauseum". Can you explain detailed?
I'll give you the dictionary definition:
ad nauseam - to a sickening degree
(note: sorry, I apparently spelled "ad nauseam" incorrectly, although
apparently it is often misspelled as I did)
> You must remember that Bobby is a Jew and his friend Reshevsky was a Jew. So
> please, can you take a benigner word.
Bobby would tell you himself that he is NOT a Jew. He would further
tell you that they are "lying, theiving bastards", that are criminal and
shoud be "wiped out". These are Fischer's words, not mine.
> I cite something: "In 1992 Fischer stunned the chess world. After 20 years'
> hibernation he decided to play a rematch with Spassky. No less sensational
> were his statements at the press conferences in Yugoslavia that all the
> matches between Karpov and Kasparov had been prearranged and fixed. The
> American grandmaster's words seemed eccentric and even insulting."
>
> That's the origin of his present troubles. Chess forums don't like such
> true. I have much to say, but I don't know if you are interested in these
> facts.
>
Oh, that's the origin of his troubles? Maybe you should listen to all
his radio interviews and hear more of what comes from the mind of this
genius. I believe there are many more "facts" that you choose to ignore
with regard to Fischer...
John
tomic
> I assume you mean "God". And with Fischer, how can you say his good
> (sic) is not money when he demands so much?
He deserves much more. But can you tell me what he has done wrong? You want
to say that he think wrong?! I must ask you (like Tim Hanke and StanB-I hope
that you are not the same person with three e-mail addresses) what's your
QI? Higher than Bobby's? Have you intellectual ability to criticize him?
What do you think, when somebody will invite you and Bobby on TV dispute
about anything (it needn't be chess theme), who will be the winner in that
discussion? I know what will happened. And you, I'm sure.
Each man who is against Bobby has some intellectual fault and he don't like
perfect intellect. Because it will remember them that they a lower ability,
and they can get some complex. So, they don't like Bobby. But that's the
attempt to escape of the introspect. You can resolve your psychic problems
without course chess genius Bobby.
Best wishes,
tomic
> ad nauseam - to a sickening degree
> (note: sorry, I apparently spelled "ad nauseam" incorrectly, although
> apparently it is often misspelled as I did)
>
> > You must remember that Bobby is a Jew and his friend Reshevsky was a
Jew. So
> > please, can you take a benigner word.
>
> Bobby would tell you himself that he is NOT a Jew. He would further
> tell you that they are "lying, theiving bastards", that are criminal and
> shoud be "wiped out". These are Fischer's words, not mine.
Dar John,
I think that Bobby would offend on you if he read your very ugly word. But,
I think he will forgive you because he is very honest man. He didn't do
anything wrong. You have made a fatal mistake when you expelled him. Who has
rested? The players from former USSR. That's fine. They are good players.
They are your citizens. But, Fischer who has born in your country, who
brought glory to your country, he is expelled.
Don't be like Tim Hanke. He wants to destroy everything he don't understand.
So he is going to destroy chess in US. It's better to make an effort to
understand, or to hear what somebody want to say.
John A. Swartz
tomic wrote:
>
> "John A. Swartz" <jsw...@mitre.org> wrote in message
> news:3EC3B0F2...@mitre.org...
>
> > I assume you mean "God". And with Fischer, how can you say his good
> > (sic) is not money when he demands so much?
>
> He deserves much more. But can you tell me what he has done wrong? You want
> to say that he think wrong?!
As I have said, Fischer's "wrongs" have been discussed here and
elsewhere "ad nauseam". The guy may have done a lot of good for the
game of chess and I aspire to play the game as he did. But he also
shows many qualities that I dislike.
> I must ask you (like Tim Hanke and StanB-I hope
> that you are not the same person with three e-mail addresses)
No, I am not the same person as Tim or Stan - and for the record, there
have been plenty more who have criticized Fischer on this very forum -
it isn't one person posting under dozens of different names. Perhaps I
should assume that all those that would support Fischer here are just
YOU posting under different names?
> what's your QI? Higher than Bobby's? Have you intellectual ability to criticize him?
> What do you think, when somebody will invite you and Bobby on TV dispute
> about anything (it needn't be chess theme), who will be the winner in that
> discussion? I know what will happened. And you, I'm sure.
1. I don't know my "IQ" (not "QI"). But it was high enough to earn a
degree from one of the world's most prestigious engineering institutions
(M.I.T.) with a respectable GPA (4.1 out of 5.0).
2. Intelligence is hardly the issue. Intelligence doesn't make you a
decent human being.
3. And being a great (phenomenal) chess player with a high IQ doesn't
mean that Bobby can debate me or anyone else with a lower IQ on ANY
subject and be the winner.
4. Take a listen to some of Bobby's interviews - the audio is available
on the web. The guy doesn't sound like a rocket scientist to me. And
in some cases he sounds quite insane.
> Each man who is against Bobby has some intellectual fault and he don't like
> perfect intellect. Because it will remember them that they a lower ability,
> and they can get some complex. So, they don't like Bobby. But that's the
> attempt to escape of the introspect. You can resolve your psychic problems
> without course chess genius Bobby.
Maybe YOU need Bobby to resolve some psychic (??) problems that you
have. Bobby Fischer has done nothing for me, other than inspire me to
play better chess. If I went around spouting off a lot of his non-chess
beliefs though, I think that I would be labelled (rightfully so) a bigot
and racist at best and a lunatic at worst. So, no thank you, I don't
need Bobby Fischer these days for anything.
And, for the record, I have no jealousy toward Bobby. I admit I will
never come anywhere near what Bobby accomplished in chess. That is not
my life, and I am at peace with that. I have no jealousy for Bobby's
success or his genius. But that doesn't give him a pass on other
things. There are many other great chess players - most of us don't
feel the same sort of way toward them as we do toward Fischer --
shouldn't we also be jealous of THEIR intellect and success in chess?
John
John A. Swartz
tomic wrote:
>
> "John A. Swartz" <jsw...@mitre.org> wrote in message
> news:3EC3B7B3...@mitre.org...
>
> > ad nauseam - to a sickening degree
> > (note: sorry, I apparently spelled "ad nauseam" incorrectly, although
> > apparently it is often misspelled as I did)
> >
> > > You must remember that Bobby is a Jew and his friend Reshevsky was a
> Jew. So
> > > please, can you take a benigner word.
> >
> > Bobby would tell you himself that he is NOT a Jew. He would further
> > tell you that they are "lying, theiving bastards", that are criminal and
> > shoud be "wiped out". These are Fischer's words, not mine.
>
> Dar John,
> I think that Bobby would offend on you if he read your very ugly word.
WHAT ugly word? I am telling you what FISCHER has said himself.
> But,
> I think he will forgive you because he is very honest man.
He'd probably look at my name, "Swartz", and figure that it came from
the Jewish name "Schwartz" and label me a "dirty Jew". Go listen to his
interviews - this is what he does with everyone who would disagree with
him.
> You have made a fatal mistake when you expelled him. Who has
> rested? The players from former USSR. That's fine. They are good players.
> They are your citizens. But, Fischer who has born in your country, who
> brought glory to your country, he is expelled.
Fischer has NOT been expelled - he is free to come back to the U.S.
anytime he wants.
>
> Don't be like Tim Hanke. He wants to destroy everything he don't understand.
> So he is going to destroy chess in US. It's better to make an effort to
> understand, or to hear what somebody want to say.
>
At least Tim is looking at the current problems facing the USCF and
trying to solve them, and not waxing poetic about someone who, with the
exception of 1992, has pretty much abandoned the game for 30 years.
John
tomic
> > > Bobby would tell you himself that he is NOT a Jew. He would further
> > > tell you that they are "lying, theiving bastards", that are criminal
and
> > > shoud be "wiped out". These are Fischer's words, not mine.
Dear John,
you have many prejudices. You don't know what will Bobby say. Do you know
that Bobby was a guest of Polgars after the match in Yugoslavia 1992. They
are also Jews, like Fischer. It's nonsense to acuse a Jew that he hate Jaws.
There are no argument that he did anything wrong. You can expell somebody
because he think about something you don't like.
I'll answer you more serious than Tim Hanke or StanB (What's his name? Why
he don't want to say his name? I can only suppose it.), because I feel that
you are on higher level than they.
So, here is one Fischer's quote (from Genius in Chess):
--
"I like to do what I want to do and not what other people want me to do.
This is what life is all about, I think."
--
That's the problem. He is not slave of these chess forum with ambitious
chess politicians, who like money and perks. He don't want to listen them.
Why?
I'll use one more fragment from Genius in Chess:
'Genius' is another widely used word with at least three different meanings:
--
A productive creator. People who create values and move the whole culture.
This is the hardest way to be a genius since these guys (historically they
usually have been male, but who knows what the future will bring?) are
always 'damn good at something' and usually have a high IQ, too. In this
meaning the 'something' is typically in one of the fields: science, math's,
music, art or literature.
--
They don't want productive creator! They don't want man who create values
and move whole culture. Tim, Stan and every man in USCF who expelled Fischer
want that inferior people move the whole culture. So, the result of that is
obvious. You have not any stronger native born GM. They destroyed each
talent.
I think you can see that.
Something you have to change!
tomic
> No, I am not the same person as Tim or Stan - and for the record, there
> have been plenty more who have criticized Fischer on this very forum -
> it isn't one person posting under dozens of different names. Perhaps I
> should assume that all those that would support Fischer here are just
> YOU posting under different names?
Dear John,
I realy enjoy in discussion with you. You use the arguments. But, you have
not right. I'll quote something more about inteligence (fragment from Genius
in Chess): I repeat the las sentence (Note: The writer give Fischer's QI 187
on one IQ test!!!):
------------
IQ (S.D. = 15) Attributes
185 High natural neuro-kinesthetic control; high curiosity drive; anti
trivia; in a hurry
180 New creation
175 Knows intelligent (and right!)
165 Formalisation; beginnings of self confidence; less hiding
160 Interest in logic; paranoia; minor creation; recognises good work; art;
music
150 Trivial formalisation
145 Below this level and often above is everywhere found a slavery to
conditioning'
Perhaps the last word should be given to Bobby Fischer (who, incidentally,
scored 187 on one IQ test): 'Genius. It's a word. What does it really mean?
If I win I'm a genius. If I don't, I'm not.'
------------
You can perceive that man with 187 is anti trivia. That's very dangerous for
chess forums in USCF. So they do what they can. Expelled him. It's not
justice. It's their fear of the genius.
Regards,
PJDBAD
>I don't know what mean "nauseum". Can you explain detailed?
>You must remember that B
"ad nauseum" basically means "to sickness" Too much of one thing is not good
and it is worse if it is bad to begin with. Think of the neighbor's dog
barking all night or someone who only has one topic of conversation.. Usually
when someone says they don't want to talk, it really means that they don't want
to listen.
tomic
"PJDBAD" <pjd...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030515231623...@mb-m27.aol.com...
> "ad nauseum" basically means "to sickness" Too much of one thing is not
good
> and it is worse if it is bad to begin with. Think of the neighbor's dog
What does it mean "PJDBAD"? Maybe "StanB"? Or something else. Why you don't
want to design your name. Are you ashamed of your name? Culture? Origin?
History? Country? You can see that I'm from (my dear) Yugoslavia (Serbia and
Montenegro). I'm proud of it. So you can be proud of your country. Don't
kick it. But I don't know from which country are you. Please, let me know.
It's the only condition to help you. To reveal these mysteries.
Best wishes and more courage (don't be bashful like StanB, if you are not
the same person, everything happens wit such people...sorry for this cruel
fact).
michael adams
>
> "John A. Swartz" <jsw...@mitre.org> wrote in message
> news:3EC3B7B3...@mitre.org...
>
> > ad nauseam - to a sickening degree
> > (note: sorry, I apparently spelled "ad nauseam" incorrectly, although
>
Nah John, you spelt the 'nausea' out ok..
Nausea = sick, sick feelings, unsettled etc. We unnerstand John, no need
to get 'babtisimal' about it..
Nausea: Stupid book by equally stupid French author about the nature of
existence, since been traduced & consigned to historical dustbin..Pls.
refer G. Sands, V. Woolfe & if you manage to get your end in either, let
me know all about it sonny..
micky..
Nausea = a sick feeling, a feeling of loss, something is wrong etc..
Tim Hanke
>
> Don't be like Tim Hanke. He wants to destroy everything he don't
understand.
> So he is going to destroy chess in US.
Goran,
This is a pretty good quote. Can I use it on my campaign website?
Thanks.
Tim Hanke
--
I am a candidate for the U.S. Chess Federation Executive Board in the 2003
election. Please visit my website at http://www.timothyhanke.net.
Marky-Mark
So he's prejudiced. What can you do? At least he doesn't deny it. Some
people have no qualms about passing judgment on a particular
race/culture/sex/etc. and that's just the way things are in this
world. These people (particularly the ones who claim that their
prejudice has a factual basis) are simply ignorant.
Bashing Tim isn't going to change the fact that he's a bigot.
Donald.M...@Ruden.com (Don Mihokovich) wrote in message news:<538985f4.03051...@posting.google.com>...
> Louis Blair <bla...@mrs.umn.edu> wrote in message news:<3EC02E31...@mrs.umn.edu>...
> > "as a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant growing up in White
> > Anglo-Saxon Protestant communities, I was never racially
> > prejudiced till I actually met people from other ethnic groups
> > and learned what they were like; but that's another story, and
> > one that won't win me many friends in these politically correct
> > times, so I'll just skip it." - Timothy Hanke (2003-04-22
> > 12:05:29 PST)
> >
> > "Actually I want to correct what I wrote here, because I didn't
> > mean to use the word 'racially.' That was a typo; I should
> > have said 'culturally.' The fact is I am not racially prejudiced
> > against black, brown, yellow, or red people, but I am
> > culturally prejudiced. Nowadays it is fashionable to argue
> > in favor of cultural relativism, but I happen to believe some
> > cultures do have better values than other cultures. And that,
> > as Forrest Gump said, is all I am going to say about that."
> > - Timothy Hanke (2003-04-22 12:15:34 PST)
>
> ____________________________________
>
> You can now add to that his recent comments condemning the entire
> Serbian culture as a whole for the acts of some Serbs. To Tim, it
> appears that once a group of people from any culture other than his
> own commit a wrong, the entire culture must be condemned as a whole.
> And of course, anybody who disagrees with Tim must be "stupid" or
> "ignorant" or the like.
tomic
"Tim Hanke" <webm...@scleroderma.org> wrote ....nothing (sorry, it's a
joke)
Dear Tim,
I like your sense for humor. Where have you learned it? Hereditary?
But let's be serious. I'll cite you:
"Fischer forfeited many opportunities to play for the title due to his own
mental and emotional instability."
Tim Henke
Do you agree that's your sentence?
I think that you will not denied it. So, you don't like mental and emotional
instability. We can say that you hate it. Why? There some people who are
mental and emotional instability who are creators of the masterpieces. So
that doesn't diminish their work. But I feel that's very important for you.
Why?
I'll try to answer. These psychic attributes belongs to you, not to Bobby
Fischer. You have shown it with your letter. You have started to lose your
nerves. But I know why. I have cited Martin Luther King.
I must repeat, (sorry):
I feel that you like Martin Luther King. So....
When you are right, you cannot be too radical; When you are wrong, you
cannot be too conservative.
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
So you have fallen in rage. Why. Everybody know. You have shown it several
times. You don't like clever people. You hate genius. You are afraid that
you'll be ridiculous in the same milieu. You want them far from you. But you
can go far from your country and allowed them to return in their motherland.
And you don't like some people especially. Why?! That's evident.
But let's see some hypothetical situation. Bobby Fischer returned to USA and
became the President of the USCF. What will you do? And, after that he
kicked you out to Japan (or Philippines). How would you feel? Can you feel
something? Where are your human values? Which are they? You must develop
them. I'm sure that you can. Try. That will be the start of your psychic
stability. But you can do it! I believe in you! Go Tim, go!
Thanks in advance!
Warmest regards,
Tim Hanke
Goran,
You are a wacko, but an entertaining wacko.
John A. Swartz
> Dear John,
> I realy enjoy in discussion with you. You use the arguments.
The feeling is not mutual because you dismiss my arguments out of hand.
You seem to feel that having a high IQ completely absolves an individual
from any wrong doing, and you are in denial of the fact that the only
"expulsion" of Bobby Fischer is from an organization whom he has totally
disassociated himself from, and, based on his past statements, wouldn't
rejoin if we paid him to.
Therefore I will not discuss this further with you.
My apologies to the forum,
John
tomic
> You seem to feel that having a high IQ
Dear John,
I must apologize to you but you have reveal the truth. I have general IQ 140
(I'm serious), so I really appreciate people with higher IQ. I appreciate
the most chess genius (you know). But don't forget Fischer's human
attributes.
After all, you know that was only a game with you, Tim Hanke and StanB. Like
a simultaneous chess game. GM against three patzers (sorry for that
comparison, maybe it's not too far from the truth, sorry again for the
sincerity). They could not match with me, so they take their weapon - ugly
words. So what? They express themselves to everybody! StanB (if it's not Tim
Hanke's pseudonym) retired on time. But poor Tim go further and shows
himself better. I have vindication. I want to help them. So I want to help
you. I want to make you, Stan and Tim better than you are now. I tank hat
you'll not offend on some evaluation. You have assessed my IQ, so I would
assess your. It's IQ 110. Tim's IQ is 100. StanB's (whatever it men) IQ 100.
(That's not joke-sorry).
Fischer IQ 170 (or maybe 187). So....do you want to expel me? (it's a joke).
I'm really sorry that you'll never discussed with me. Bu I understand you.
I'm so sorry because you are cleverer than Tim and StanB. But it's your
decision. Sorry. Bye John. It's difference in category.
Bye again, (Tears)
tomic
"Tim Hanke" <webm...@scleroderma.org> wrote ... nothing (again).
Sorry for this.
Dear Tim,
I really enjoy to talk with you. Thanks Tim. You hate wacko? Why? You know
the answer. We have revealed many things you don't like. But what do you
like? Yourself? No. You are your enemy. You hate your attributes. But let's
go on the seriously theme. Bobby. Robert Fischer. Martin Luther King. You
have not answer me about him (what do you mean?). So I'll repeat you (third
time):
----
I feel that you like Martin Luther King. So....
When you are right, you cannot be too radical; When you are wrong, you
cannot be too conservative.
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
-----
I have something more. I'll cite you about Fischer:
----
We wonder why so many rules were bent or broken and so many social and
ethical norms were ignored to accommodate him, and why so many worthy
people devoted so much time and energy to the thankless task of promoting
his erratic progress toward the title".
Tim Hanke
-------
That's prove that you have scared of broken your life norms (the norms of
mediocre) and to up chess on more level (and you couldn't follow him). But I
think that you could follow him (not in every area like in chess). But you
must go step by step. I'll help you if you want! Tell me...
Regards,
StanB
"Tim Hanke" <webm...@scleroderma.org> wrote in message
news:n15xa.11220$_o4....@news.primus.ca...
> "tomic" <tom...@cg.yu> gibbered like chimpanzee ...
> >
> > Don't be like Tim Hanke. He wants to destroy everything he don't
> understand.
> > So he is going to destroy chess in US.
>
> Goran,
>
> This is a pretty good quote. Can I use it on my campaign website?
This guy is starting to smell an awful lot like Bwana Nick and Lance Smith.
StanB
tomic
What's your name? Are you shame of it? When you tell me I'll help you! It's
a condition (I have almost told it). You have in hurry to help your friend
(if you are not the same person) Tim. But....You have to fill a
condition....
The warmest regards to ..nobody (It's a joke, please forgive me. Could
you????). But you had to know your name?! Or..No...It's impossible....
By the way, what's your texts have common with subject: Sam Sloan's
Candidate's Statement for the July Chess Life?
Warmest regards,
Don Mihokovich
> In Tim Hanke's defense, even though I don't know the man:
>
> So he's prejudiced. What can you do?
What can you do? How about exercise your right to vote, taking what
you call "the fact that he's a bigot" into account.
bhnews
intelligent, and dedicated to chess. If I disagree with some of what he
believes, it doesn't detract from the type of person he seems to be and what
he can potentially bring to USCF. At least he takes a definite stand, and
doesn't try to be "all things to all people" (Ford's characterization of
Jimmy Carter in the 1976 election).
"Marky-Mark" <heil_t...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Louis Blair
> I support Timothy Hanke's candidacy in USCF. He is honest,
_
Does bhnews believe the things that Timothy Hanke claimed
about Al Lawrence?
"Al, ... According to your specious arguments, we
shouldn't believe anything bad about Ilyumzhinov till he
is convicted by a jury of his peers." - Timothy Hanke
(2003-03-20 11:46:06 PST)
In his 2003-03-20 18:16:54 PST note, Timothy Hanke gave us
this quote:
"Has any objective court since these allegations were made in
the press years ago come to the conclusion about the murder?"
- Al Lawrence (2003-03-19 07:34:12 PST)
Unfortunately, Timothy Hanke chose to snip the very next
sentence:
"Were there any of the trappings generally considered to
be proof--eyewitnesses, forensic evidence, etc.--discussed
either in or out of court?" - Al Lawrence (2003-03-19
07:34:12 PST)
Thus, Timothy Hanke left out the clear reference to evidence
"out of court". For that alone, Timothy Hanke owes Al Lawrence
an apology.
"I am disappointed that more people don't register their
understanding of and objection to Hanke's Big Lie tactics.
...
If he does this with one topic, he'll do it with another. If
he's done it to one person, he'll do it to others.
He has to be the least desirable of the pack of candidates.
You're certainly right that I won't be voting for Hanke."
- Al Lawrence (2003-04-03 16:22:30 PST)
bhnews wrote (Sat, 17 May 2003 15:29:07 GMT):
> [Timothy Hanke] is ... direct,
_
"RGCP won't make or break anybody's chances."
- Timothy Hanke (2003-03-31 06:33:46 PST)
Things seem to be different when it comes to what Timothy
Hanke writes for Chess Life readers.
------------------------------------------------------------
"I'd recommend getting rid of the delegates and giving their
power to the Executive Board" - Timothy Hanke (2003-04-08
11:43:31 PST)
Has Timothy Hanke been direct to Chess Life readers about
the delegates?
"It's time to adopt a new organizational model
...
For years I believed OMOV was the answer to the USCF's
problems. I thought openness and democracy would help us
get beond old ways of doing things.
But I have changed my mind.
...
I have done a little reading about how NASCAR got started.
Basically it was Big Bill France and a bunch of cronies in a
hotel room in 1949. For many years France ran NASCAR
with an iron fist, ...
... Someone or some group that can move ahead, take
chances, and do what makes sense, needs to take over."
- Timothy Hanke (2002-12-07 07:30:10 PST)
Has Timothy Hanke been direct to Chess Life readers about
his OMOV opinions?
"This is an important reason to get the kids out of USCF
into their own organization, ..." - Timothy Hanke (Thu,
24 Apr 2003 16:57:01 -0400)
Has Timothy Hanke been direct to Chess Life readers about
the importance that he attaches to getting the kids out of the
USCF?
"I would also cut the USCF postal chess operation totally."
- Timothy Hanke (2003-02-11 19:43:34 PST)
Has Timothy Hanke been direct to Chess Life readers about
postal chess?
"In my vision of the future, the USCF prints NO TLAs
in the magazine, and instead prints EVERYONE'S TLAs
on the website FREE OF CHARGE." - Timothy Hanke
(Tue, 06 May 2003 23:36:52 GMT)
Has Timothy Hanke been direct to Chess Life about his
TLA opinions?
"my idea is to decouple the magazine from membership,
and make the magazine optional.
That way, you could afford to charge much less for adult
dues (say, $25), while keeping the $49 rate for people who
are willing to pay an extra $24 for the magazine." - Timothy
Hanke (2003-03-18 08:36:54 PST)
Has Timothy Hanke been direct to Chess Life readers about
the nature of his plan for "cutting adult dues"?
"If we make the magazine optional as I propose, and
don't significantly improve the magazine, that would
not be good for our revenue." - Timothy Hanke
(2003-05-07 12:52:56 PST)
"you and I know it's all a pipe dream--USCF will not
provide a cheap playing membership, will not significantly
ugrade the magazine, etc., etc., etc." - Timothy Hanke
(2003-05-05 06:25:25 PST)
Has Timothy Hanke been direct to Chess Life readers about
the probability that his plan for dues will take place?
"even if the USCF shrinks drastically, it may not go out of
business. This would make it harder to start over with a new
organization and all new people and all new ways of doing
things. In other words, the best hope for all of us might just
be for the USCF to go out of business." - Timothy Hanke
(2002-12-10 13:59:45 PST)
Has Timothy Hanke been direct to Chess Life readers about
"the best hope for all of us"?
Has Timothy Hanke been direct to Chess Life readers about
what he thinks of others:
"Most of the recent Board members had their brains
devoured by worms long ago" - Timothy Hanke
(2003-02-20 08:50:07 PST)
"I don't see anybody else like me on the board now, or
running in this election. I see a lot of insiders and
time-servers, who lack the imagination or the daring to
make major changes." - Timothy Hanke (2003-04-20
19:28:46 PST)
"most of [the delegates] refuse to consider the good of
the organization as a whole, and instead insist on voting
their pocketbooks or in favor of what they perceive to
be their respective constituents' interests." - Timothy
Hanke (Fri, 02 May 2003 01:57:06 GMT)
"... Looked at this way, Big Scholastic Chess is really a
Big Con perpetrated on the kids and their families,
designed to extract money from their wallets without
providing a corresponding benefit." - Timothy Hanke
(Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:21:33 -0400)
"I think many people (including, yes, AMERICANS) are
too fat and complacent, and lack any understanding of what
it means to be free or how hard it is to become free or stay
free" - Timothy Hanke (2003-04-18 06:36:53 PST)
"... people 'who live the life of a free man with an
independent mind' must put up with a certain amount
of criticism from the cowardly masses. It comes with
the territory. ..." - Timothy Hanke (2002-12-06 07:01:37
PST)
"Once I have made up my mind about the proper course
of action, my goal is to influence what other people do,
not let them influence what I do. Most people are clueless
anyway, need to be told what to do, and welcome having
somebody else tell them. (For the benefit of you civilians:
you learn this in the military.)" - Timothy Hanke (Wed,
7 May 2003 13:51:48 -0400)
Nick
Here's another of Tim Hanke's recent comments:
In the RGCM thread, 'Zhang Zhong revisited' (2 June 2003), Tim Hanke wrote
to Bill Smythe: 'Bugger the Chinese....'
In this case, evidently, the Chinese did *not* do anything 'wrong', apart from
having a calendar different to the one that Hanke prefers to use.
--Nick
Bill Anderson
"Nick" <nickbo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Surely this is all just made up. Nobody could really be as stupid as Hanke
is being presented here? Right?
Igor
moderator of these newsgroups would kick him out. He doesn't deserve to
be a member of these newsgroup.
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