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The Horny Goat
Feb 14, 2022, 5:44:53 PM2/14/22
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Does anyone know if there is a currently in print tournament book from
the 1948 World Championship match - tournament? Figurine algebraic
would be preferred but will take what I can get. I figure I've got
about 2/3 of the games in my database but would prefer a book.
#2 - same question for the 1962 Candidates Tournament in Curacao won
by Petrosian
Lastly - happy 100th anniversary Yuri Averbakh! (birthday was last
week on Feb 8th)
https://chess24.com/en/read/news/yuri-averbakh-celebrates-100th-birthday#:~:text=Yuri%20Averbakh%20was%20born%20in,Championship%20title%20from%20Emanuel%20Lasker.
I'm not positive but believe he is the first GM ever to make it to
100.
the 1948 World Championship match - tournament? Figurine algebraic
would be preferred but will take what I can get. I figure I've got
about 2/3 of the games in my database but would prefer a book.
#2 - same question for the 1962 Candidates Tournament in Curacao won
by Petrosian
Lastly - happy 100th anniversary Yuri Averbakh! (birthday was last
week on Feb 8th)
https://chess24.com/en/read/news/yuri-averbakh-celebrates-100th-birthday#:~:text=Yuri%20Averbakh%20was%20born%20in,Championship%20title%20from%20Emanuel%20Lasker.
I'm not positive but believe he is the first GM ever to make it to
100.
Ken Blake
Feb 14, 2022, 6:03:52 PM2/14/22
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:44:49 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
wrote:
>Does anyone know if there is a currently in print tournament book from
>the 1948 World Championship match - tournament?
Tournament. A match is between two players.
>Figurine algebraic
>would be preferred but will take what I can get. I figure I've got
>about 2/3 of the games in my database but would prefer a book.
I had such a book years ago, but it's long gone now. However looking
at Amazon, I see that there are several you can get.
wrote:
>Does anyone know if there is a currently in print tournament book from
>the 1948 World Championship match - tournament?
>Figurine algebraic
>would be preferred but will take what I can get. I figure I've got
>about 2/3 of the games in my database but would prefer a book.
at Amazon, I see that there are several you can get.
William Hyde
Feb 14, 2022, 11:29:31 PM2/14/22
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On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:03:52 PM UTC-5, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:44:49 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
> wrote:
> >Does anyone know if there is a currently in print tournament book from
> >the 1948 World Championship match - tournament?
> Tournament. A match is between two players.
Events with more than two rounds are sometimes called match-tournaments. This one, in particular, is often described as such.
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:44:49 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
> wrote:
> >Does anyone know if there is a currently in print tournament book from
> >the 1948 World Championship match - tournament?
> Tournament. A match is between two players.
> >Figurine algebraic
> >would be preferred but will take what I can get. I figure I've got
> >about 2/3 of the games in my database but would prefer a book.
> I had such a book years ago, but it's long gone now. However looking
> at Amazon, I see that there are several you can get.
William Hyde
Eli Kesef
Feb 15, 2022, 1:19:04 AM2/15/22
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On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 6:29:31 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
> Time, perhaps, that I sent in an order. But I am still waiting for a chess book from my first Amazon order, sent in 1997.
Bs"d
> Time, perhaps, that I sent in an order. But I am still waiting for a chess book from my first Amazon order, sent in 1997.
William, I think it is best when by now you stop waiting for that book, and instead start doing something constructive with your life. Go out, meet people, and do fun things. Play some chess!
And above all; don't be afraid to give Amazon another try. I've heard that in most cases the books you order actually do arrive. So the chances are in your favor.
Good luck!
https://tinyurl.com/interesting-chess
Ken Blake
Feb 15, 2022, 11:13:21 AM2/15/22
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 20:29:30 -0800 (PST), William Hyde
<wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:03:52 PM UTC-5, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:44:49 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
>> wrote:
>> >Does anyone know if there is a currently in print tournament book from
>> >the 1948 World Championship match - tournament?
>> Tournament. A match is between two players.
>
>Events with more than two rounds are sometimes called match-tournaments.
Perhaps by some people, but I've never seen or heard of a
<wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:03:52 PM UTC-5, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:44:49 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
>> wrote:
>> >Does anyone know if there is a currently in print tournament book from
>> >the 1948 World Championship match - tournament?
>> Tournament. A match is between two players.
>
>Events with more than two rounds are sometimes called match-tournaments.
"match-tournament."
> This one, in particular, is often described as such.
>> >Figurine algebraic
>> >would be preferred but will take what I can get. I figure I've got
>> >about 2/3 of the games in my database but would prefer a book.
>> I had such a book years ago, but it's long gone now. However looking
>> at Amazon, I see that there are several you can get.
>
>
>Time, perhaps, that I sent in an order. But I am still waiting for a chess book from my first Amazon order, sent in 1997.
never had a problem.
The Horny Goat
Feb 15, 2022, 3:07:40 PM2/15/22
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 16:03:51 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
wrote:
>On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:44:49 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>Does anyone know if there is a currently in print tournament book from
>>the 1948 World Championship match - tournament?
>
>
>Tournament. A match is between two players.
Obviously I am aware of that but that was the official designation of
the event.
The circumstances were that Alekhine had died with the world
championship and the event was to determine a new world champion.
Botvinnik, Keres, Smyslov, Reshevsky and Euwe. Reuben Fine was invited
but declined (can't remember but think he was doing his psychiatric
residency at the time). Each played 5 games against each other and
Botvinnik won by 3 pts with Smyslov surprising everybody by finishing
second 1/2 pt ahead of Keres and Reshevsky.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_1948
It was the second major postwar chess event after Groningen 1946 which
as a Canadian I particularly remember as that's the event where Abe
Yanofsky (Canada's first GM - I knew Abe personally during the 4 years
I lived in Winnipeg as an active TD - he did the occasional
fundraising simul and was a guest of honor at a Canadian Junior
Championship in Winnipeg) beat Botvinnik but otherwise had a
undistinguished tournament. He used the Canadian version of the GI
bill to put himself through law school.
Here's the game:
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032134
I vividly remember in the early 80s when he tried (unsuccessfully) to
persuade a teenager to stay in school - the kid had just made master
and wanted to quit school for a year 'to see if he could follow Bobby'
meaning Fischer. Yanofsky told him that due to the connections he'd
made through chess (while he was establishing his law practice his
supporters were telling prospective clients "you want a smart lawyer?
This young man beat the best the Russians had - at chess!") he'd
earned far more than Fischer ever had at the board. (This was a
discussion in the skittles room between rounds over coffee at an
event) Yanofsky even offered to pay his tournament and travel expenses
during the entire summer for as many events as he could handle if he
promised to stay in school but the kid still declined.
wrote:
>On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:44:49 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>Does anyone know if there is a currently in print tournament book from
>>the 1948 World Championship match - tournament?
>
>
>Tournament. A match is between two players.
the event.
The circumstances were that Alekhine had died with the world
championship and the event was to determine a new world champion.
Botvinnik, Keres, Smyslov, Reshevsky and Euwe. Reuben Fine was invited
but declined (can't remember but think he was doing his psychiatric
residency at the time). Each played 5 games against each other and
Botvinnik won by 3 pts with Smyslov surprising everybody by finishing
second 1/2 pt ahead of Keres and Reshevsky.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_1948
It was the second major postwar chess event after Groningen 1946 which
as a Canadian I particularly remember as that's the event where Abe
Yanofsky (Canada's first GM - I knew Abe personally during the 4 years
I lived in Winnipeg as an active TD - he did the occasional
fundraising simul and was a guest of honor at a Canadian Junior
Championship in Winnipeg) beat Botvinnik but otherwise had a
undistinguished tournament. He used the Canadian version of the GI
bill to put himself through law school.
Here's the game:
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032134
I vividly remember in the early 80s when he tried (unsuccessfully) to
persuade a teenager to stay in school - the kid had just made master
and wanted to quit school for a year 'to see if he could follow Bobby'
meaning Fischer. Yanofsky told him that due to the connections he'd
made through chess (while he was establishing his law practice his
supporters were telling prospective clients "you want a smart lawyer?
This young man beat the best the Russians had - at chess!") he'd
earned far more than Fischer ever had at the board. (This was a
discussion in the skittles room between rounds over coffee at an
event) Yanofsky even offered to pay his tournament and travel expenses
during the entire summer for as many events as he could handle if he
promised to stay in school but the kid still declined.
The Horny Goat
Feb 15, 2022, 6:04:28 PM2/15/22
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 09:13:17 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
more rounds of each other. I've never heard the term used with less
than 4 games against each opponent.
>Perhaps by some people, but I've never seen or heard of a
>"match-tournament."
>
>> This one, in particular, is often described as such.
>
>Often? *Never* in my experience.
Actually some of the early Candidates were described that way notably
Curacao 1962 (that was the one Tal pulled out of 3/4 way through due
to health problems related to his kidneys. From what I've heard the
chess world was darned lucky not to lose him at that time)
Besides the 50s/early 60s Candidates and of course 1948 I can't think
of any.
>>> >Figurine algebraic
>>> >would be preferred but will take what I can get. I figure I've got
>>> >about 2/3 of the games in my database but would prefer a book.
>>> I had such a book years ago, but it's long gone now. However looking
>>> at Amazon, I see that there are several you can get.
>>
>>Time, perhaps, that I sent in an order. But I am still waiting for a chess book from my first Amazon order, sent in 1997.
Ouch! Did they charge you?
>I order something from Amazon around once every week or two. I've
>never had a problem.
At this point with respect to Informants I tend to feel "Stockholm
syndrome-ish" since I have a complete set (I've been collecting since
my teens - my favorite is still #12 which includes all of
Fischer-Spassky 1972 and that year's Olympiad) They're up to #150 now
and I have told my wife in no uncertain terms that if I'm gone she
must never ever allow the set to be broken up and if the children
don't claim it who it is to go to. (Someone who is considered a
Canadian chess historian who has been publishing a monthly e-journal
for nearly 10 years. Anybody who can publish 300 issues has my
respect!)
I told her I would be surprised if there were more than 100 complete
Informant sets in the world since at least up to #100 there were never
more than 5000 to their publication run. (I suspect it's probably not
much more than that now due to online subscription based database
services)
wrote:
>On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 20:29:30 -0800 (PST), William Hyde
><wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:03:52 PM UTC-5, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:44:49 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>> >Does anyone know if there is a currently in print tournament book from
>>> >the 1948 World Championship match - tournament?
>>> Tournament. A match is between two players.
>>
>>Events with more than two rounds are sometimes called match-tournaments.
What he means is a round robin where each of the players play 2 or
>On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 20:29:30 -0800 (PST), William Hyde
><wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:03:52 PM UTC-5, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:44:49 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>> >Does anyone know if there is a currently in print tournament book from
>>> >the 1948 World Championship match - tournament?
>>> Tournament. A match is between two players.
>>
>>Events with more than two rounds are sometimes called match-tournaments.
more rounds of each other. I've never heard the term used with less
than 4 games against each opponent.
>Perhaps by some people, but I've never seen or heard of a
>"match-tournament."
>
>> This one, in particular, is often described as such.
>
>Often? *Never* in my experience.
Curacao 1962 (that was the one Tal pulled out of 3/4 way through due
to health problems related to his kidneys. From what I've heard the
chess world was darned lucky not to lose him at that time)
Besides the 50s/early 60s Candidates and of course 1948 I can't think
of any.
>>> >Figurine algebraic
>>> >would be preferred but will take what I can get. I figure I've got
>>> >about 2/3 of the games in my database but would prefer a book.
>>> I had such a book years ago, but it's long gone now. However looking
>>> at Amazon, I see that there are several you can get.
>>
>>Time, perhaps, that I sent in an order. But I am still waiting for a chess book from my first Amazon order, sent in 1997.
>I order something from Amazon around once every week or two. I've
>never had a problem.
syndrome-ish" since I have a complete set (I've been collecting since
my teens - my favorite is still #12 which includes all of
Fischer-Spassky 1972 and that year's Olympiad) They're up to #150 now
and I have told my wife in no uncertain terms that if I'm gone she
must never ever allow the set to be broken up and if the children
don't claim it who it is to go to. (Someone who is considered a
Canadian chess historian who has been publishing a monthly e-journal
for nearly 10 years. Anybody who can publish 300 issues has my
respect!)
I told her I would be surprised if there were more than 100 complete
Informant sets in the world since at least up to #100 there were never
more than 5000 to their publication run. (I suspect it's probably not
much more than that now due to online subscription based database
services)
Ken Blake
Feb 15, 2022, 6:16:34 PM2/15/22
to
On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 15:04:23 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
came about significantly later than that, that's probably why I had
never heard it.
wrote:
>On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 09:13:17 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 20:29:30 -0800 (PST), William Hyde
>><wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:03:52 PM UTC-5, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:44:49 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >Does anyone know if there is a currently in print tournament book from
>>>> >the 1948 World Championship match - tournament?
>>>> Tournament. A match is between two players.
>>>
>>>Events with more than two rounds are sometimes called match-tournaments.
>
>What he means is a round robin where each of the players play 2 or
>more rounds of each other. I've never heard the term used with less
>than 4 games against each opponent.
>
>>Perhaps by some people, but I've never seen or heard of a
>>"match-tournament."
>>
>>> This one, in particular, is often described as such.
>>
>>Often? *Never* in my experience.
>
>Actually some of the early Candidates were described that way notably
>Curacao 1962
My days in the chess world were mostly in the late 1950s. If the term
>On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 09:13:17 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 20:29:30 -0800 (PST), William Hyde
>><wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:03:52 PM UTC-5, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:44:49 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >Does anyone know if there is a currently in print tournament book from
>>>> >the 1948 World Championship match - tournament?
>>>> Tournament. A match is between two players.
>>>
>>>Events with more than two rounds are sometimes called match-tournaments.
>
>What he means is a round robin where each of the players play 2 or
>more rounds of each other. I've never heard the term used with less
>than 4 games against each opponent.
>
>>Perhaps by some people, but I've never seen or heard of a
>>"match-tournament."
>>
>>> This one, in particular, is often described as such.
>>
>>Often? *Never* in my experience.
>
>Actually some of the early Candidates were described that way notably
>Curacao 1962
came about significantly later than that, that's probably why I had
never heard it.
William Hyde
Feb 15, 2022, 8:11:25 PM2/15/22
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On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 11:13:21 AM UTC-5, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 20:29:30 -0800 (PST), William Hyde
> <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:03:52 PM UTC-5, Ken Blake wrote:
> >> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:44:49 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
> >> wrote:
> >> >Does anyone know if there is a currently in print tournament book from
> >> >the 1948 World Championship match - tournament?
> >> Tournament. A match is between two players.
> >
> >Events with more than two rounds are sometimes called match-tournaments.
> Perhaps by some people, but I've never seen or heard of a
> "match-tournament."
> > This one, in particular, is often described as such.
> Often? *Never* in my experience.
From the "Oxford Companion to Chess"
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 20:29:30 -0800 (PST), William Hyde
> <wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:03:52 PM UTC-5, Ken Blake wrote:
> >> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:44:49 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
> >> wrote:
> >> >Does anyone know if there is a currently in print tournament book from
> >> >the 1948 World Championship match - tournament?
> >> Tournament. A match is between two players.
> >
> >Events with more than two rounds are sometimes called match-tournaments.
> Perhaps by some people, but I've never seen or heard of a
> "match-tournament."
> > This one, in particular, is often described as such.
> Often? *Never* in my experience.
"Match-tournament: A tournament in which players meet each other a predetermined number of times, giving the event the character of match play..."
It goes on to say that while there is no formal lower limit, double round robins don't qualify and from the word "predetermined" elimination events like London 1851 don't either.
Google gives some examples:
https://www.chesscentral.com/the-hague-moscow-1948-match-tournament-for-the-world-chess-championship/
though the book title uses the form Match/Tournament.
The 1941 event gets the same name:
https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Championship-Chess-Match-tournament-Absolute-U.S.S.R/30376452502/bd
Perhaps the term is more common in British translations?
> >> >Figurine algebraic
> >> >would be preferred but will take what I can get. I figure I've got
> >> >about 2/3 of the games in my database but would prefer a book.
> >> I had such a book years ago, but it's long gone now. However looking
> >> at Amazon, I see that there are several you can get.
> >
> >
> >Time, perhaps, that I sent in an order. But I am still waiting for a chess book from my first Amazon order, sent in 1997.
> I order something from Amazon around once every week or two. I've
> never had a problem.
William Hyde
William Hyde
Feb 15, 2022, 8:22:02 PM2/15/22
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these events.
> >>> >Figurine algebraic
> >>> >would be preferred but will take what I can get. I figure I've got
> >>> >about 2/3 of the games in my database but would prefer a book.
> >>> I had such a book years ago, but it's long gone now. However looking
> >>> at Amazon, I see that there are several you can get.
> >>
> >>Time, perhaps, that I sent in an order. But I am still waiting for a chess book from my first Amazon order, sent in 1997.
> Ouch! Did they charge you?
I ordered John Wheeler's autobiography from the American Institute of Physics in 1992, finally bought a used copy at Douglas Mason books on Bloor in 2015. That wasn't even a rare book.
> >I order something from Amazon around once every week or two. I've
> >never had a problem.
> At this point with respect to Informants I tend to feel "Stockholm
> syndrome-ish" since I have a complete set (I've been collecting since
> my teens - my favorite is still #12 which includes all of
> Fischer-Spassky 1972 and that year's Olympiad) They're up to #150 now
> and I have told my wife in no uncertain terms that if I'm gone she
> must never ever allow the set to be broken up and if the children
> don't claim it who it is to go to. (Someone who is considered a
> Canadian chess historian who has been publishing a monthly e-journal
> for nearly 10 years. Anybody who can publish 300 issues has my
> respect!)
William Hyde
William Hyde
Feb 15, 2022, 11:39:35 PM2/15/22
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William Hyde
The Horny Goat
Feb 15, 2022, 11:57:48 PM2/15/22
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:16:31 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
wrote:
>My days in the chess world were mostly in the late 1950s. If the term
>came about significantly later than that, that's probably why I had
>never heard it.
Well the tournament referred to was the 1948 world championship where
Botvinnik won the title.
https://www.chess.com/article/view/clash-of-champions-the-haguemoscow-1948
Like I say I've heard the term "match-tournament" used of Curacao 1962
and if you look at the crosstable for each you'll see what they have
in common.
https://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/6163$cix.htm
Probably the most embarassing moment of my childhood was when I told
my grandfather who taught me chess "I don't want to play with you
anymore grandad - you're too WEAK!"
As for 'late 50s' I was thinking a lot further back than that today -
I'm the national secretary of the Chess Federation of Canada and was
spending time in contact with FIDE today trying to find out how we get
a celebratory header on their website for the CFC's 150th anniversary
(1872-2022) - among other things we're a charter member of FIDE...
wrote:
>My days in the chess world were mostly in the late 1950s. If the term
>came about significantly later than that, that's probably why I had
>never heard it.
Botvinnik won the title.
https://www.chess.com/article/view/clash-of-champions-the-haguemoscow-1948
Like I say I've heard the term "match-tournament" used of Curacao 1962
and if you look at the crosstable for each you'll see what they have
in common.
https://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/6163$cix.htm
Probably the most embarassing moment of my childhood was when I told
my grandfather who taught me chess "I don't want to play with you
anymore grandad - you're too WEAK!"
As for 'late 50s' I was thinking a lot further back than that today -
I'm the national secretary of the Chess Federation of Canada and was
spending time in contact with FIDE today trying to find out how we get
a celebratory header on their website for the CFC's 150th anniversary
(1872-2022) - among other things we're a charter member of FIDE...
Ken Blake
Feb 16, 2022, 10:57:14 AM2/16/22
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 20:57:43 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
wrote:
>On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:16:31 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>My days in the chess world were mostly in the late 1950s. If the term
>>came about significantly later than that, that's probably why I had
>>never heard it.
>
>Well the tournament referred to was the 1948 world championship where
>Botvinnik won the title.
Yes I know. I wasn't playing competitively that far back (I was only
11 in 1948), but I played over all the games from it years later, and
I don't remember ever seeing the term "match-tournament."
But I'll grant you that I could be wrong and have just forgotten (I've
forgotten a lot from those days), or perhaps the book I used didn't
use the term but others did.
>https://www.chess.com/article/view/clash-of-champions-the-haguemoscow-1948
>
>Like I say I've heard the term "match-tournament" used of Curacao 1962
>and if you look at the crosstable for each you'll see what they have
>in common.
>
>https://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/6163$cix.htm
>
>Probably the most embarassing moment of my childhood was when I told
>my grandfather who taught me chess "I don't want to play with you
>anymore grandad - you're too WEAK!"
My stepfather taught me when I was six. As I became stronger, he
stopped playing with me, so I never had the opportunity to say
something like that to him.
I never studied Chess in those days and didn't start until I was 12 or
13. The first Chess book I got from the library was one of Alekhine's
collections of his games. I still remember liking a game in which he
played the King's Indian Defense. So the next game I played as Black,
I played what I thought was the King's Indian Defense.
The game went
1. P-K4 (almost nobody in the US used algebraic notation in those
days)
1... N-KB3 (dummy that I was, I didn't realize you couldn't play the
King's Indian Defense against 1. P-K4)
2. P-K5 (I was flabbergasted. I don't remember what I replied nor who
won the game).
>As for 'late 50s' I was thinking a lot further back than that today -
>I'm the national secretary of the Chess Federation of Canada and was
Congratulations!
wrote:
>On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:16:31 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>My days in the chess world were mostly in the late 1950s. If the term
>>came about significantly later than that, that's probably why I had
>>never heard it.
>
>Well the tournament referred to was the 1948 world championship where
>Botvinnik won the title.
11 in 1948), but I played over all the games from it years later, and
I don't remember ever seeing the term "match-tournament."
But I'll grant you that I could be wrong and have just forgotten (I've
forgotten a lot from those days), or perhaps the book I used didn't
use the term but others did.
>https://www.chess.com/article/view/clash-of-champions-the-haguemoscow-1948
>
>Like I say I've heard the term "match-tournament" used of Curacao 1962
>and if you look at the crosstable for each you'll see what they have
>in common.
>
>https://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/6163$cix.htm
>
>Probably the most embarassing moment of my childhood was when I told
>my grandfather who taught me chess "I don't want to play with you
>anymore grandad - you're too WEAK!"
stopped playing with me, so I never had the opportunity to say
something like that to him.
I never studied Chess in those days and didn't start until I was 12 or
13. The first Chess book I got from the library was one of Alekhine's
collections of his games. I still remember liking a game in which he
played the King's Indian Defense. So the next game I played as Black,
I played what I thought was the King's Indian Defense.
The game went
1. P-K4 (almost nobody in the US used algebraic notation in those
days)
1... N-KB3 (dummy that I was, I didn't realize you couldn't play the
King's Indian Defense against 1. P-K4)
2. P-K5 (I was flabbergasted. I don't remember what I replied nor who
won the game).
>As for 'late 50s' I was thinking a lot further back than that today -
>I'm the national secretary of the Chess Federation of Canada and was
The Horny Goat
Feb 16, 2022, 3:56:02 PM2/16/22
to
On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:57:12 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
the Queens Gambit when it first came out I figured I should read the
book espec given who wrote it. I'm only 1/4 way through but no
question there's a lot more tranquilizer talk than in the show
Doesn't that picture at
https://s3.amazonaws.com/files.saturdayeveningpost.com/uploads/reprints/Have_Pawn_Will_Travel/index.html?X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAI3QGKNAHC7QBOIAA%2F20220216%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220216T205037Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Signature=6f24ebb9cae9bc25dff65d6490dc1289f01cf864a08cc721d3787f36b9769184
look like one of the Queens Gambit tournaments? (I assume you
recognize Fischer in the photo)
>>As for 'late 50s' I was thinking a lot further back than that today -
>>I'm the national secretary of the Chess Federation of Canada and was
>
>Congratulations!
>
Well I've been doing it for 10 years so not nearly as exciting as when
I took it on. My biggest job is overseeing security on the board of
governors section of our web forum (which is important as there's some
highly confidential stuff discussed there) and redirecting e-mails
from FIDE that were sent to me rather than the president or FIDE rep.
You can safely assume there's currently a lot of talk about COVID
since different parts of the country are recovering at different rates
and while some areas are playing face to face (mostly with masks)
others aren't there yet. Obviously this and within the country travel
issues have implications for national championship events! Both the US
and Canada are large by European standards so travel is a bigger deal
for us and the USCF than over there.
These days FIDE is mostly fine but can be a bit obtuse at times about
certain things. (Which sorry I'm NOT going to discuss in a public
forum! I don't want our board grumpy with me)
USCF (founded 1939) are newbies by comparison but there were regional
federations long before that that merged to make the USCF you and I
know.
Up till Marshall the US championship was decided by match play but
when Marshall retired in 1936 he specified it should be done by
tournament (first won by Reshevsky in 1936) and provided rules that
were good enough they lasted with only minor changes through the 60s.
That was how the world championship was done pre WW2 but when
Alekhine died in 1946 FIDE took over the title and has done a
respectable job since Fischer and Kasparov notwithstanding.
Lastly a request: in 1964 Fischer published an article "The Russians
Have Fixed World Chess" in Sports Illustrated. Google says it's on the
SI site but gave a dead link. So I went to the SI site and couldn't
find it anywhere. Anyone know of an alternate source for this article?
(Historically it's fairly important as FIDE re-organized the structure
of the World Championship in response to it so that there was no
longer a Candidates tournament but 1 on 1 knockout matches)
wrote:
>On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 20:57:43 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:16:31 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>>wrote:
>On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 20:57:43 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:16:31 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>>wrote:
>The game went
>
>1. P-K4 (almost nobody in the US used algebraic notation in those
>days)
>
>1... N-KB3 (dummy that I was, I didn't realize you couldn't play the
>King's Indian Defense against 1. P-K4)
>
>2. P-K5 (I was flabbergasted. I don't remember what I replied nor who
>won the game).
Oh dear. That sounds like VERY early Beth Harmon.....having watched
>
>1. P-K4 (almost nobody in the US used algebraic notation in those
>days)
>
>1... N-KB3 (dummy that I was, I didn't realize you couldn't play the
>King's Indian Defense against 1. P-K4)
>
>2. P-K5 (I was flabbergasted. I don't remember what I replied nor who
>won the game).
the Queens Gambit when it first came out I figured I should read the
book espec given who wrote it. I'm only 1/4 way through but no
question there's a lot more tranquilizer talk than in the show
Doesn't that picture at
https://s3.amazonaws.com/files.saturdayeveningpost.com/uploads/reprints/Have_Pawn_Will_Travel/index.html?X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAI3QGKNAHC7QBOIAA%2F20220216%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220216T205037Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Signature=6f24ebb9cae9bc25dff65d6490dc1289f01cf864a08cc721d3787f36b9769184
look like one of the Queens Gambit tournaments? (I assume you
recognize Fischer in the photo)
>>As for 'late 50s' I was thinking a lot further back than that today -
>>I'm the national secretary of the Chess Federation of Canada and was
>
>Congratulations!
>
I took it on. My biggest job is overseeing security on the board of
governors section of our web forum (which is important as there's some
highly confidential stuff discussed there) and redirecting e-mails
from FIDE that were sent to me rather than the president or FIDE rep.
You can safely assume there's currently a lot of talk about COVID
since different parts of the country are recovering at different rates
and while some areas are playing face to face (mostly with masks)
others aren't there yet. Obviously this and within the country travel
issues have implications for national championship events! Both the US
and Canada are large by European standards so travel is a bigger deal
for us and the USCF than over there.
These days FIDE is mostly fine but can be a bit obtuse at times about
certain things. (Which sorry I'm NOT going to discuss in a public
forum! I don't want our board grumpy with me)
>
>>spending time in contact with FIDE today trying to find out how we get
>>a celebratory header on their website for the CFC's 150th anniversary
>>(1872-2022) - among other things we're a charter member of FIDE...
>>
This is the item that's mostly got my attention at the moment. The
>>spending time in contact with FIDE today trying to find out how we get
>>a celebratory header on their website for the CFC's 150th anniversary
>>(1872-2022) - among other things we're a charter member of FIDE...
>>
USCF (founded 1939) are newbies by comparison but there were regional
federations long before that that merged to make the USCF you and I
know.
Up till Marshall the US championship was decided by match play but
when Marshall retired in 1936 he specified it should be done by
tournament (first won by Reshevsky in 1936) and provided rules that
were good enough they lasted with only minor changes through the 60s.
That was how the world championship was done pre WW2 but when
Alekhine died in 1946 FIDE took over the title and has done a
respectable job since Fischer and Kasparov notwithstanding.
Lastly a request: in 1964 Fischer published an article "The Russians
Have Fixed World Chess" in Sports Illustrated. Google says it's on the
SI site but gave a dead link. So I went to the SI site and couldn't
find it anywhere. Anyone know of an alternate source for this article?
(Historically it's fairly important as FIDE re-organized the structure
of the World Championship in response to it so that there was no
longer a Candidates tournament but 1 on 1 knockout matches)
Eli Kesef
Feb 16, 2022, 4:17:12 PM2/16/22
to
On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 10:56:02 PM UTC+2, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:57:12 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 20:57:43 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:16:31 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
> >>wrote:
> >The game went
> >
> >1. P-K4 (almost nobody in the US used algebraic notation in those
> >days)
> >
> >1... N-KB3 (dummy that I was, I didn't realize you couldn't play the
> >King's Indian Defense against 1. P-K4)
> >
> >2. P-K5 (I was flabbergasted. I don't remember what I replied nor who
> >won the game).
> Oh dear. That sounds like VERY early Beth Harmon.....having watched
> the Queens Gambit when it first came out I figured I should read the
> book espec given who wrote it. I'm only 1/4 way through but no
> question there's a lot more tranquilizer talk than in the show
>
> Doesn't that picture at
> https://s3.amazonaws.com/files.saturdayeveningpost.com/uploads/reprints/Have_Pawn_Will_Travel/index.html?X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAI3QGKNAHC7QBOIAA%2F20220216%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220216T205037Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Signature=6f24ebb9cae9bc25dff65d6490dc1289f01cf864a08cc721d3787f36b9769184
> look like one of the Queens Gambit tournaments? (I assume you
> recognize Fischer in the photo)
Bs"d
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:57:12 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 20:57:43 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:16:31 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
> >>wrote:
> >The game went
> >
> >1. P-K4 (almost nobody in the US used algebraic notation in those
> >days)
> >
> >1... N-KB3 (dummy that I was, I didn't realize you couldn't play the
> >King's Indian Defense against 1. P-K4)
> >
> >2. P-K5 (I was flabbergasted. I don't remember what I replied nor who
> >won the game).
> Oh dear. That sounds like VERY early Beth Harmon.....having watched
> the Queens Gambit when it first came out I figured I should read the
> book espec given who wrote it. I'm only 1/4 way through but no
> question there's a lot more tranquilizer talk than in the show
>
> Doesn't that picture at
> https://s3.amazonaws.com/files.saturdayeveningpost.com/uploads/reprints/Have_Pawn_Will_Travel/index.html?X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAI3QGKNAHC7QBOIAA%2F20220216%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220216T205037Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Signature=6f24ebb9cae9bc25dff65d6490dc1289f01cf864a08cc721d3787f36b9769184
> look like one of the Queens Gambit tournaments? (I assume you
> recognize Fischer in the photo)
I get this for that picture: AccessDeniedRequest has expired3002022-02-16T20:55:37Z2022-02-16T21:11:36ZDQ8EVQHQFNSY05NTqJ3IqPExrkSqz+9Vf2VsURpqPbcsco2v+5Fxweac2VnBYery0Hxld2dKaock/G8GCwq5XLUUTs8=
Just a friendly tip: There is something like https://tinyurl.com and with that you can turn a half page url into a normal one.
https://tinyurl.com/Q-gambit-pill
Ken Blake
Feb 16, 2022, 4:53:23 PM2/16/22
to
On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 12:55:57 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
wasn't crazy about it.
>book espec given who wrote it. I'm only 1/4 way through but no
>question there's a lot more tranquilizer talk than in the show
>
>Doesn't that picture at
>https://s3.amazonaws.com/files.saturdayeveningpost.com/uploads/reprints/Have_Pawn_Will_Travel/index.html?X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAI3QGKNAHC7QBOIAA%2F20220216%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220216T205037Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Signature=6f24ebb9cae9bc25dff65d6490dc1289f01cf864a08cc721d3787f36b9769184
>look like one of the Queens Gambit tournaments?
I wasn't able to open it. Access Denied.
It's an extremely long URL. Are you sure it's correct?
>(I assume you
>recognize Fischer in the photo)
If Fischer was there, I'd recognize him. As you probably know, I knew
him well.
>>>As for 'late 50s' I was thinking a lot further back than that today -
>>>I'm the national secretary of the Chess Federation of Canada and was
>>
>>Congratulations!
>>
>Well I've been doing it for 10 years so not nearly as exciting as when
>I took it on. My biggest job is overseeing security on the board of
>governors section of our web forum (which is important as there's some
>highly confidential stuff discussed there) and redirecting e-mails
>from FIDE that were sent to me rather than the president or FIDE rep.
>
>You can safely assume there's currently a lot of talk about COVID
>since different parts of the country are recovering at different rates
>and while some areas are playing face to face (mostly with masks)
>others aren't there yet. Obviously this and within the country travel
>issues have implications for national championship events! Both the US
>and Canada are large by European standards so travel is a bigger deal
>for us and the USCF than over there.
>
>These days FIDE is mostly fine but can be a bit obtuse at times about
>certain things. (Which sorry I'm NOT going to discuss in a public
>forum! I don't want our board grumpy with me)
Speaking of FIDE, back in my days at the Manhattan Chess Club, I used
to know Florencio Campomanes. He was not someone I liked. I only
played against him once, in a rapids tournament, but I won easily.
>>
>>>spending time in contact with FIDE today trying to find out how we get
>>>a celebratory header on their website for the CFC's 150th anniversary
>>>(1872-2022) - among other things we're a charter member of FIDE...
>>>
>This is the item that's mostly got my attention at the moment. The
>USCF (founded 1939) are newbies by comparison but there were regional
>federations long before that that merged to make the USCF you and I
>know.
>
>Up till Marshall the US championship was decided by match play but
Marshall died in 1944, when I was seven, well before I became an
active player. So I never knew him, but I knew his wife, who ran the
Marshall Chess Club. I was a member of both the Manhattan and the
Marshall.
>when Marshall retired in 1936 he specified it should be done by
>tournament
If I ever knew that I had forgotten.
> (first won by Reshevsky in 1936) and provided rules that
>were good enough they lasted with only minor changes through the 60s.
>
>That was how the world championship was done pre WW2 but when
>Alekhine died in 1946 FIDE took over the title and has done a
Yes, I know.
>respectable job since Fischer and Kasparov notwithstanding.
>
>Lastly a request: in 1964 Fischer published an article "The Russians
>Have Fixed World Chess" in Sports Illustrated. Google says it's on the
>SI site but gave a dead link. So I went to the SI site and couldn't
>find it anywhere. Anyone know of an alternate source for this article?
I just searched and couldn't find any. I think I read it years ago,
but I'm not sure.
wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:57:12 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 20:57:43 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:16:31 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>>>wrote:
>>The game went
>>
>>1. P-K4 (almost nobody in the US used algebraic notation in those
>>days)
>>
>>1... N-KB3 (dummy that I was, I didn't realize you couldn't play the
>>King's Indian Defense against 1. P-K4)
>>
>>2. P-K5 (I was flabbergasted. I don't remember what I replied nor who
>>won the game).
>
>Oh dear. That sounds like VERY early Beth Harmon.....having watched
>the Queens Gambit when it first came out I figured I should read the
I never saw it, but I read the book. It was mildly entertaining, but I
>On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:57:12 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 20:57:43 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:16:31 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>>>wrote:
>>The game went
>>
>>1. P-K4 (almost nobody in the US used algebraic notation in those
>>days)
>>
>>1... N-KB3 (dummy that I was, I didn't realize you couldn't play the
>>King's Indian Defense against 1. P-K4)
>>
>>2. P-K5 (I was flabbergasted. I don't remember what I replied nor who
>>won the game).
>
>Oh dear. That sounds like VERY early Beth Harmon.....having watched
>the Queens Gambit when it first came out I figured I should read the
wasn't crazy about it.
>book espec given who wrote it. I'm only 1/4 way through but no
>question there's a lot more tranquilizer talk than in the show
>
>Doesn't that picture at
>https://s3.amazonaws.com/files.saturdayeveningpost.com/uploads/reprints/Have_Pawn_Will_Travel/index.html?X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAI3QGKNAHC7QBOIAA%2F20220216%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220216T205037Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Signature=6f24ebb9cae9bc25dff65d6490dc1289f01cf864a08cc721d3787f36b9769184
>look like one of the Queens Gambit tournaments?
It's an extremely long URL. Are you sure it's correct?
>(I assume you
>recognize Fischer in the photo)
him well.
>>>As for 'late 50s' I was thinking a lot further back than that today -
>>>I'm the national secretary of the Chess Federation of Canada and was
>>
>>Congratulations!
>>
>Well I've been doing it for 10 years so not nearly as exciting as when
>I took it on. My biggest job is overseeing security on the board of
>governors section of our web forum (which is important as there's some
>highly confidential stuff discussed there) and redirecting e-mails
>from FIDE that were sent to me rather than the president or FIDE rep.
>
>You can safely assume there's currently a lot of talk about COVID
>since different parts of the country are recovering at different rates
>and while some areas are playing face to face (mostly with masks)
>others aren't there yet. Obviously this and within the country travel
>issues have implications for national championship events! Both the US
>and Canada are large by European standards so travel is a bigger deal
>for us and the USCF than over there.
>
>These days FIDE is mostly fine but can be a bit obtuse at times about
>certain things. (Which sorry I'm NOT going to discuss in a public
>forum! I don't want our board grumpy with me)
to know Florencio Campomanes. He was not someone I liked. I only
played against him once, in a rapids tournament, but I won easily.
>>
>>>spending time in contact with FIDE today trying to find out how we get
>>>a celebratory header on their website for the CFC's 150th anniversary
>>>(1872-2022) - among other things we're a charter member of FIDE...
>>>
>This is the item that's mostly got my attention at the moment. The
>USCF (founded 1939) are newbies by comparison but there were regional
>federations long before that that merged to make the USCF you and I
>know.
>
>Up till Marshall the US championship was decided by match play but
active player. So I never knew him, but I knew his wife, who ran the
Marshall Chess Club. I was a member of both the Manhattan and the
Marshall.
>when Marshall retired in 1936 he specified it should be done by
>tournament
> (first won by Reshevsky in 1936) and provided rules that
>were good enough they lasted with only minor changes through the 60s.
>
>That was how the world championship was done pre WW2 but when
>Alekhine died in 1946 FIDE took over the title and has done a
>respectable job since Fischer and Kasparov notwithstanding.
>
>Lastly a request: in 1964 Fischer published an article "The Russians
>Have Fixed World Chess" in Sports Illustrated. Google says it's on the
>SI site but gave a dead link. So I went to the SI site and couldn't
>find it anywhere. Anyone know of an alternate source for this article?
but I'm not sure.
William Hyde
Feb 16, 2022, 6:30:08 PM2/16/22
to
On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 3:56:02 PM UTC-5, The Horny Goat wrote:
w.
>
> Up till Marshall the US championship was decided by match play
There were a number of tournaments to establish the US champion in the second half of the 1800s. Captain Mackenzie won most of them. Morphy, of course, won the first.
w.
>
> Up till Marshall the US championship was decided by match play
The match system occupied less than fifty years in total, almost half of it Marshall's nearly match-free reign. In the early years of match play things were rather confused. Lipschutz, then champion, moved to California for his health. Some east coast players seem to have regarded this as resigning the title, and held a match for the championship. When Lipschutz heard of this he was not amused.
but
> when Marshall retired in 1936 he specified it should be done by
> tournament (first won by Reshevsky in 1936)
Mind you, the 1942 tournament should be retroactively awarded to Kashdan given that the TD erroneously awarded a point to Reshevsky. But he would remain an eight time champion as he won a match with Kashdan shortly after.
William Hyde
The Horny Goat
Feb 17, 2022, 4:30:38 AM2/17/22
to
On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 14:53:20 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
lost her last round game when all she needed for solo victory was a
draw. This is when she's crossed 2200 for the first time.
wrapped around usually need the >'s taken out to work.
>>(I assume you
>>recognize Fischer in the photo)
>
>If Fischer was there, I'd recognize him. As you probably know, I knew
>him well.
Never met Fischer and one of my few regrets from my teen years is that
I live in Vancouver and thus had the chance to go to the university to
see one or more of the Fischer-Taimanov games. My parents felt it was
too long a bus ride for me though 3 months later I played in the 1971
Canadian Open in a larger venue on the same campus that was much
further away from the main bus loop than the Student Union theatre
which is where Fischer - Taimanov was played. (4 years later as a
freshman at that school I visited that theatre and no question it
would have been a great venue for a match but too small for an
international 16 player round robin) of the type that were common in
the 1970s
See what I mean?
https://m.facebook.com/TheatreUBC/photos/a.10152466662997966.1073741839.84835972965/10152466665152966/?type=3&_ft_=top_level_post_id.10152466670137966%3Atl_objid.10152466665152966%3Athid.84835972965%3A306061129499414%3A69%3A1388563200%3A1420099199%3A-8239785390272478728
(apologies for the long URL)
The hall where we had the Canadian Open was where I met and got yelled
at by Max Euwe then president of FIDE for making too much noise in the
skittles room (so that our noise was getting back to the main hall!)
and also where I met Spassky who was watching my board with interest
and I was so distracted by him I blundered a piece in a completely won
middlegame by grabbing on h7. Given the move everyone remembers from
game 1 of Fischer-Spassky the following year one wonders if Spassky
remembered that distraught Canadian teenager as I made the blunder
directly in front of him. During the post-mortem my opponent confirmed
that that was indeed Spassky! (since our board was right on the aisle
that led to the top boards I wasn't really in doubt)
knew Nathan Divinsky (Canada's longtime FIDE rep and spoke on behalf
of the Chess Federation of Canada at his funeral) having taken his
vector calculus class at UBC before I knew him from chess. I later got
to knew him VERY well after graduation as Divinsky and I are the two
longest serving Chess Federation of Canada secretaries and regularly
attended the same tournaments.
one of my first chess books and purchased at the same time as MCO 10
from the university book store.
you can search for it on SI's site and it appears to "find" it but
comes up with a blank screen as if the PDF had been purged or moved to
a different folder.
Any article that led directly to reorganization of the Candidates is
an important article regardless of where it's published.
wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 12:55:57 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:57:12 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 20:57:43 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:16:31 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>The game went
>>>
>>>1. P-K4 (almost nobody in the US used algebraic notation in those
>>>days)
>>>
>>>1... N-KB3 (dummy that I was, I didn't realize you couldn't play the
>>>King's Indian Defense against 1. P-K4)
>>>
>>>2. P-K5 (I was flabbergasted. I don't remember what I replied nor who
>>>won the game).
>>
>>Oh dear. That sounds like VERY early Beth Harmon.....having watched
>>the Queens Gambit when it first came out I figured I should read the
>
>I never saw it, but I read the book. It was mildly entertaining, but I
>wasn't crazy about it.
I'm now at the part where she's tied for 1st in the US Open having
>On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 12:55:57 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:57:12 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 20:57:43 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:16:31 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>The game went
>>>
>>>1. P-K4 (almost nobody in the US used algebraic notation in those
>>>days)
>>>
>>>1... N-KB3 (dummy that I was, I didn't realize you couldn't play the
>>>King's Indian Defense against 1. P-K4)
>>>
>>>2. P-K5 (I was flabbergasted. I don't remember what I replied nor who
>>>won the game).
>>
>>Oh dear. That sounds like VERY early Beth Harmon.....having watched
>>the Queens Gambit when it first came out I figured I should read the
>
>I never saw it, but I read the book. It was mildly entertaining, but I
>wasn't crazy about it.
lost her last round game when all she needed for solo victory was a
draw. This is when she's crossed 2200 for the first time.
>
>
>>book espec given who wrote it. I'm only 1/4 way through but no
>>question there's a lot more tranquilizer talk than in the show
>>
>>Doesn't that picture at
>>https://s3.amazonaws.com/files.saturdayeveningpost.com/uploads/reprints/Have_Pawn_Will_Travel/index.html?X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAI3QGKNAHC7QBOIAA%2F20220216%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220216T205037Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Signature=6f24ebb9cae9bc25dff65d6490dc1289f01cf864a08cc721d3787f36b9769184
>>look like one of the Queens Gambit tournaments?
>
>I wasn't able to open it. Access Denied.
>
>It's an extremely long URL. Are you sure it's correct?
Yep - just double checked it just now. Admittedly long URLs that get
>
>>book espec given who wrote it. I'm only 1/4 way through but no
>>question there's a lot more tranquilizer talk than in the show
>>
>>Doesn't that picture at
>>https://s3.amazonaws.com/files.saturdayeveningpost.com/uploads/reprints/Have_Pawn_Will_Travel/index.html?X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAI3QGKNAHC7QBOIAA%2F20220216%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220216T205037Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Signature=6f24ebb9cae9bc25dff65d6490dc1289f01cf864a08cc721d3787f36b9769184
>>look like one of the Queens Gambit tournaments?
>
>I wasn't able to open it. Access Denied.
>
>It's an extremely long URL. Are you sure it's correct?
wrapped around usually need the >'s taken out to work.
>>(I assume you
>>recognize Fischer in the photo)
>
>If Fischer was there, I'd recognize him. As you probably know, I knew
>him well.
I live in Vancouver and thus had the chance to go to the university to
see one or more of the Fischer-Taimanov games. My parents felt it was
too long a bus ride for me though 3 months later I played in the 1971
Canadian Open in a larger venue on the same campus that was much
further away from the main bus loop than the Student Union theatre
which is where Fischer - Taimanov was played. (4 years later as a
freshman at that school I visited that theatre and no question it
would have been a great venue for a match but too small for an
international 16 player round robin) of the type that were common in
the 1970s
See what I mean?
https://m.facebook.com/TheatreUBC/photos/a.10152466662997966.1073741839.84835972965/10152466665152966/?type=3&_ft_=top_level_post_id.10152466670137966%3Atl_objid.10152466665152966%3Athid.84835972965%3A306061129499414%3A69%3A1388563200%3A1420099199%3A-8239785390272478728
(apologies for the long URL)
The hall where we had the Canadian Open was where I met and got yelled
at by Max Euwe then president of FIDE for making too much noise in the
skittles room (so that our noise was getting back to the main hall!)
and also where I met Spassky who was watching my board with interest
and I was so distracted by him I blundered a piece in a completely won
middlegame by grabbing on h7. Given the move everyone remembers from
game 1 of Fischer-Spassky the following year one wonders if Spassky
remembered that distraught Canadian teenager as I made the blunder
directly in front of him. During the post-mortem my opponent confirmed
that that was indeed Spassky! (since our board was right on the aisle
that led to the top boards I wasn't really in doubt)
>
>>>>As for 'late 50s' I was thinking a lot further back than that today -
>>>>I'm the national secretary of the Chess Federation of Canada and was
>>>
>>>Congratulations!
>>>
>>Well I've been doing it for 10 years so not nearly as exciting as when
>>I took it on. My biggest job is overseeing security on the board of
>>governors section of our web forum (which is important as there's some
>>highly confidential stuff discussed there) and redirecting e-mails
>>from FIDE that were sent to me rather than the president or FIDE rep.
>>
>>You can safely assume there's currently a lot of talk about COVID
>>since different parts of the country are recovering at different rates
>>and while some areas are playing face to face (mostly with masks)
>>others aren't there yet. Obviously this and within the country travel
>>issues have implications for national championship events! Both the US
>>and Canada are large by European standards so travel is a bigger deal
>>for us and the USCF than over there.
>>
>>These days FIDE is mostly fine but can be a bit obtuse at times about
>>certain things. (Which sorry I'm NOT going to discuss in a public
>>forum! I don't want our board grumpy with me)
>
>Speaking of FIDE, back in my days at the Manhattan Chess Club, I used
>to know Florencio Campomanes. He was not someone I liked. I only
>played against him once, in a rapids tournament, but I won easily.
>
Sorry never met him. The only FIDE president I met was Euwe though I
>>>>As for 'late 50s' I was thinking a lot further back than that today -
>>>>I'm the national secretary of the Chess Federation of Canada and was
>>>
>>>Congratulations!
>>>
>>Well I've been doing it for 10 years so not nearly as exciting as when
>>I took it on. My biggest job is overseeing security on the board of
>>governors section of our web forum (which is important as there's some
>>highly confidential stuff discussed there) and redirecting e-mails
>>from FIDE that were sent to me rather than the president or FIDE rep.
>>
>>You can safely assume there's currently a lot of talk about COVID
>>since different parts of the country are recovering at different rates
>>and while some areas are playing face to face (mostly with masks)
>>others aren't there yet. Obviously this and within the country travel
>>issues have implications for national championship events! Both the US
>>and Canada are large by European standards so travel is a bigger deal
>>for us and the USCF than over there.
>>
>>These days FIDE is mostly fine but can be a bit obtuse at times about
>>certain things. (Which sorry I'm NOT going to discuss in a public
>>forum! I don't want our board grumpy with me)
>
>Speaking of FIDE, back in my days at the Manhattan Chess Club, I used
>to know Florencio Campomanes. He was not someone I liked. I only
>played against him once, in a rapids tournament, but I won easily.
>
knew Nathan Divinsky (Canada's longtime FIDE rep and spoke on behalf
of the Chess Federation of Canada at his funeral) having taken his
vector calculus class at UBC before I knew him from chess. I later got
to knew him VERY well after graduation as Divinsky and I are the two
longest serving Chess Federation of Canada secretaries and regularly
attended the same tournaments.
>>>
>>>>spending time in contact with FIDE today trying to find out how we get
>>>>a celebratory header on their website for the CFC's 150th anniversary
>>>>(1872-2022) - among other things we're a charter member of FIDE...
>>>>
>>This is the item that's mostly got my attention at the moment. The
>>USCF (founded 1939) are newbies by comparison but there were regional
>>federations long before that that merged to make the USCF you and I
>>know.
>>
>>Up till Marshall the US championship was decided by match play but
>
>Marshall died in 1944, when I was seven, well before I became an
>active player. So I never knew him, but I knew his wife, who ran the
>Marshall Chess Club. I was a member of both the Manhattan and the
>Marshall.
>
I have never been to NYC but know the reputation of both clubs well.
>>>>spending time in contact with FIDE today trying to find out how we get
>>>>a celebratory header on their website for the CFC's 150th anniversary
>>>>(1872-2022) - among other things we're a charter member of FIDE...
>>>>
>>This is the item that's mostly got my attention at the moment. The
>>USCF (founded 1939) are newbies by comparison but there were regional
>>federations long before that that merged to make the USCF you and I
>>know.
>>
>>Up till Marshall the US championship was decided by match play but
>
>Marshall died in 1944, when I was seven, well before I became an
>active player. So I never knew him, but I knew his wife, who ran the
>Marshall Chess Club. I was a member of both the Manhattan and the
>Marshall.
>
>
>>when Marshall retired in 1936 he specified it should be done by
>>tournament
>
>If I ever knew that I had forgotten.
Reshevsky spells all this out in his collection of his games which was
>>when Marshall retired in 1936 he specified it should be done by
>>tournament
>
>If I ever knew that I had forgotten.
one of my first chess books and purchased at the same time as MCO 10
from the university book store.
>
>> (first won by Reshevsky in 1936) and provided rules that
>>were good enough they lasted with only minor changes through the 60s.
>>
>>That was how the world championship was done pre WW2 but when
>>Alekhine died in 1946 FIDE took over the title and has done a
>
>Yes, I know.
>
>>respectable job since Fischer and Kasparov notwithstanding.
>>
>>Lastly a request: in 1964 Fischer published an article "The Russians
>>Have Fixed World Chess" in Sports Illustrated. Google says it's on the
>>SI site but gave a dead link. So I went to the SI site and couldn't
>>find it anywhere. Anyone know of an alternate source for this article?
>
>I just searched and couldn't find any. I think I read it years ago,
>but I'm not sure.
>
>>(Historically it's fairly important as FIDE re-organized the structure
>>of the World Championship in response to it so that there was no
>>longer a Candidates tournament but 1 on 1 knockout matches)
Regretably I've not yet found Fischer's Sports Illustrated article -
>> (first won by Reshevsky in 1936) and provided rules that
>>were good enough they lasted with only minor changes through the 60s.
>>
>>That was how the world championship was done pre WW2 but when
>>Alekhine died in 1946 FIDE took over the title and has done a
>
>Yes, I know.
>
>>respectable job since Fischer and Kasparov notwithstanding.
>>
>>Lastly a request: in 1964 Fischer published an article "The Russians
>>Have Fixed World Chess" in Sports Illustrated. Google says it's on the
>>SI site but gave a dead link. So I went to the SI site and couldn't
>>find it anywhere. Anyone know of an alternate source for this article?
>
>I just searched and couldn't find any. I think I read it years ago,
>but I'm not sure.
>
>>(Historically it's fairly important as FIDE re-organized the structure
>>of the World Championship in response to it so that there was no
>>longer a Candidates tournament but 1 on 1 knockout matches)
you can search for it on SI's site and it appears to "find" it but
comes up with a blank screen as if the PDF had been purged or moved to
a different folder.
Any article that led directly to reorganization of the Candidates is
an important article regardless of where it's published.
Ken Blake
Feb 17, 2022, 11:01:27 AM2/17/22
to
On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 01:30:33 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
I never crossed 2200. At my peak (around 1958), I was about 2000, and
not having played in years, I'm probably much weaker now.
>>>book espec given who wrote it. I'm only 1/4 way through but no
>>>question there's a lot more tranquilizer talk than in the show
>>>
>>>Doesn't that picture at
>>>https://s3.amazonaws.com/files.saturdayeveningpost.com/uploads/reprints/Have_Pawn_Will_Travel/index.html?X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAI3QGKNAHC7QBOIAA%2F20220216%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220216T205037Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Signature=6f24ebb9cae9bc25dff65d6490dc1289f01cf864a08cc721d3787f36b9769184
>>>look like one of the Queens Gambit tournaments?
>>
>>I wasn't able to open it. Access Denied.
>>
>>It's an extremely long URL. Are you sure it's correct?
>
>Yep - just double checked it just now. Admittedly long URLs that get
>wrapped around usually need the >'s taken out to work.
Even without the >s, I get
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Can you try using tinyurl or some similar site? Maybe such a URL will
I met Euwe when I played against him in a simultaneous he gave at the
Manhattan. We drew. It was the only time I played against someone in a
simultaneous and didn't lose.
>knew Nathan Divinsky (Canada's longtime FIDE rep and spoke on behalf
>of the Chess Federation of Canada at his funeral) having taken his
>vector calculus class at UBC before I knew him from chess. I later got
>to knew him VERY well after graduation as Divinsky and I are the two
>longest serving Chess Federation of Canada secretaries and regularly
>attended the same tournaments.
>>>>
>>>>>spending time in contact with FIDE today trying to find out how we get
>>>>>a celebratory header on their website for the CFC's 150th anniversary
>>>>>(1872-2022) - among other things we're a charter member of FIDE...
>>>>>
>>>This is the item that's mostly got my attention at the moment. The
>>>USCF (founded 1939) are newbies by comparison but there were regional
>>>federations long before that that merged to make the USCF you and I
>>>know.
>>>
>>>Up till Marshall the US championship was decided by match play but
>>
>>Marshall died in 1944, when I was seven, well before I became an
>>active player. So I never knew him, but I knew his wife, who ran the
>>Marshall Chess Club. I was a member of both the Manhattan and the
>>Marshall.
>>
>I have never been to NYC but know the reputation of both clubs well.
I think the Marshall still exists, but the Manhattan is long gone.
>>>when Marshall retired in 1936 he specified it should be done by
>>>tournament
>>
>>If I ever knew that I had forgotten.
>
>Reshevsky spells all this out in his collection of his games which was
>one of my first chess books and purchased at the same time as MCO 10
>from the university book store.
I used to have that book, so I must have known it too, but had
forgotten.
I never had an MCO 10, but I still have an MCO 8, the last version I
bought. I's one of the very few chess books I still own, but it's
certainly not a book I still need, since I never play anymore.
not having played in years, I'm probably much weaker now.
>>>book espec given who wrote it. I'm only 1/4 way through but no
>>>question there's a lot more tranquilizer talk than in the show
>>>
>>>Doesn't that picture at
>>>https://s3.amazonaws.com/files.saturdayeveningpost.com/uploads/reprints/Have_Pawn_Will_Travel/index.html?X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAI3QGKNAHC7QBOIAA%2F20220216%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220216T205037Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Signature=6f24ebb9cae9bc25dff65d6490dc1289f01cf864a08cc721d3787f36b9769184
>>>look like one of the Queens Gambit tournaments?
>>
>>I wasn't able to open it. Access Denied.
>>
>>It's an extremely long URL. Are you sure it's correct?
>
>Yep - just double checked it just now. Admittedly long URLs that get
>wrapped around usually need the >'s taken out to work.
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Can you try using tinyurl or some similar site? Maybe such a URL will
Manhattan. We drew. It was the only time I played against someone in a
simultaneous and didn't lose.
>knew Nathan Divinsky (Canada's longtime FIDE rep and spoke on behalf
>of the Chess Federation of Canada at his funeral) having taken his
>vector calculus class at UBC before I knew him from chess. I later got
>to knew him VERY well after graduation as Divinsky and I are the two
>longest serving Chess Federation of Canada secretaries and regularly
>attended the same tournaments.
>>>>
>>>>>spending time in contact with FIDE today trying to find out how we get
>>>>>a celebratory header on their website for the CFC's 150th anniversary
>>>>>(1872-2022) - among other things we're a charter member of FIDE...
>>>>>
>>>This is the item that's mostly got my attention at the moment. The
>>>USCF (founded 1939) are newbies by comparison but there were regional
>>>federations long before that that merged to make the USCF you and I
>>>know.
>>>
>>>Up till Marshall the US championship was decided by match play but
>>
>>Marshall died in 1944, when I was seven, well before I became an
>>active player. So I never knew him, but I knew his wife, who ran the
>>Marshall Chess Club. I was a member of both the Manhattan and the
>>Marshall.
>>
>I have never been to NYC but know the reputation of both clubs well.
>>>when Marshall retired in 1936 he specified it should be done by
>>>tournament
>>
>>If I ever knew that I had forgotten.
>
>Reshevsky spells all this out in his collection of his games which was
>one of my first chess books and purchased at the same time as MCO 10
>from the university book store.
forgotten.
I never had an MCO 10, but I still have an MCO 8, the last version I
bought. I's one of the very few chess books I still own, but it's
certainly not a book I still need, since I never play anymore.
William Hyde
Feb 17, 2022, 5:23:43 PM2/17/22
to
On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 4:30:38 AM UTC-5, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 14:53:20 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
> wrote:
>
> Sorry never met him. The only FIDE president I met was Euwe though I
> knew Nathan Divinsky (Canada's longtime FIDE rep and spoke on behalf
> of the Chess Federation of Canada at his funeral) having taken his
> vector calculus class at UBC before I knew him from chess. I later got
> to knew him VERY well after graduation as Divinsky and I are the two
> longest serving Chess Federation of Canada secretaries and regularly
> attended the same tournaments.
When I was a professor at Dalhousie I noticed that one of my colleagues had a math book that belonged to Nathan Divinsky. I chided him about stealing books from the Prime Minister's ex-husband.
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 14:53:20 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
> wrote:
>
> Sorry never met him. The only FIDE president I met was Euwe though I
> knew Nathan Divinsky (Canada's longtime FIDE rep and spoke on behalf
> of the Chess Federation of Canada at his funeral) having taken his
> vector calculus class at UBC before I knew him from chess. I later got
> to knew him VERY well after graduation as Divinsky and I are the two
> longest serving Chess Federation of Canada secretaries and regularly
> attended the same tournaments.
I myself have a book by Divinsky, "Rings and Radicals", a math text from the U of T math
series. While I didn't steal it, I got it on sale for 98 cents, which is almost the same thing. When I mentioned this on another newsgroup I was offered $75 US for it. Apparently it is a bit of a
classic. Of course I didn't sell. After 49 years I still haven't finished it!
William Hyde
The Horny Goat
Feb 18, 2022, 3:28:13 AM2/18/22
to
On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 09:01:23 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
wrote:
>I never had an MCO 10, but I still have an MCO 8, the last version I
>bought. I's one of the very few chess books I still own, but it's
>certainly not a book I still need, since I never play anymore.
I got my MCO 8 LONG after the advice in it was still current - can't
remember whether 13 or 14 was out by then.
Got MCO 10 in the late 60s when it was fairly new and the paperback
cover has long been dilapidated. (That was the one Larry Evans editted
if I recall correctly)
That was back in the days when an expensive chess book was $5!
I've now finished The Queen's Gambit - who else but Walter Tevis would
have the protagonist steal a copy of Chess Life?
Am still trying to figure out whether I preferred the ending of the
book or the Netflix show.
Either way Anya Taylor-Joy was a superb choice of casting and clearly
was a breakout role for her career. For obvious reasons the Netflix
version de-emphasized her abuse of tranquilizers since presumably
they'd get a more adult rating than they wanted had they covered that
angle to the degree Tevis did in his book.
And I really enjoyed what they did with Ivanchuk-Wolff (Biel
Interzonal 1993) as the climactic game. What was on the show was a
variation not the entire game.
wrote:
>I never had an MCO 10, but I still have an MCO 8, the last version I
>bought. I's one of the very few chess books I still own, but it's
>certainly not a book I still need, since I never play anymore.
remember whether 13 or 14 was out by then.
Got MCO 10 in the late 60s when it was fairly new and the paperback
cover has long been dilapidated. (That was the one Larry Evans editted
if I recall correctly)
That was back in the days when an expensive chess book was $5!
I've now finished The Queen's Gambit - who else but Walter Tevis would
have the protagonist steal a copy of Chess Life?
Am still trying to figure out whether I preferred the ending of the
book or the Netflix show.
Either way Anya Taylor-Joy was a superb choice of casting and clearly
was a breakout role for her career. For obvious reasons the Netflix
version de-emphasized her abuse of tranquilizers since presumably
they'd get a more adult rating than they wanted had they covered that
angle to the degree Tevis did in his book.
And I really enjoyed what they did with Ivanchuk-Wolff (Biel
Interzonal 1993) as the climactic game. What was on the show was a
variation not the entire game.
Ken Blake
Feb 18, 2022, 11:33:43 AM2/18/22
to
On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 00:28:10 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 09:01:23 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I never had an MCO 10, but I still have an MCO 8, the last version I
>>bought. I's one of the very few chess books I still own, but it's
>>certainly not a book I still need, since I never play anymore.
>
>I got my MCO 8 LONG after the advice in it was still current - can't
>remember whether 13 or 14 was out by then.
>
>Got MCO 10 in the late 60s when it was fairly new and the paperback
>cover has long been dilapidated. (That was the one Larry Evans editted
>if I recall correctly)
>
>That was back in the days when an expensive chess book was $5!
>
>I've now finished The Queen's Gambit - who else but Walter Tevis would
>have the protagonist steal a copy of Chess Life?
Beats me. I've never heard of Walter Tevis except as author of "The
Queen's Gambit."
In my day, it was still called "Chess Review." I still have a tattered
copy of the January 1960 issue, because it has a postal game I played.
I also have a photocopy of the cover of the January 1956 issue, since
I'm in the picture on the cover.
wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 09:01:23 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I never had an MCO 10, but I still have an MCO 8, the last version I
>>bought. I's one of the very few chess books I still own, but it's
>>certainly not a book I still need, since I never play anymore.
>
>I got my MCO 8 LONG after the advice in it was still current - can't
>remember whether 13 or 14 was out by then.
>
>Got MCO 10 in the late 60s when it was fairly new and the paperback
>cover has long been dilapidated. (That was the one Larry Evans editted
>if I recall correctly)
>
>That was back in the days when an expensive chess book was $5!
>
>I've now finished The Queen's Gambit - who else but Walter Tevis would
>have the protagonist steal a copy of Chess Life?
Queen's Gambit."
In my day, it was still called "Chess Review." I still have a tattered
copy of the January 1960 issue, because it has a postal game I played.
I also have a photocopy of the cover of the January 1956 issue, since
I'm in the picture on the cover.
The Horny Goat
Feb 18, 2022, 2:38:56 PM2/18/22
to
On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 09:33:39 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
Oh boy - Tevis wrote several novels that became big name movies the
best known being "The Man Who Fell to Earth" which in the movie
version starred David Bowie. "The Queen's Gambit" is comparatively
small fry by comparison much as I think Netflix did a very good job
capturing the late 60s/early70s chess scene. (I remember a lot of my
early tournament rooms and the ones in the show looked weirdly
familiar though by the late 60s when I started the rating system was
firmly in place and it didn't take 4 months to get one)
Beth Harmon is clearly modelled on Fischer but has many differences.
(No evidence Fischer ever abused drugs or alcohol and he very
definitely did have a family. I am not aware any right wing Christian
group ever tried to make him make anti-Soviet statements - he did
that on his own - and long before he hooked up with the Armstrongites!
And obviously Anja Taylor-Joy is much more photogenic! The book says
that Harmon made her own clothing choices and the outfits in the show
faithfully reflected that - tasteful but not flashy)
Borgov was a clear Botvinnik-Spassky mix and I do think the Netflix
gang made an excellent choice in their version of the Harmon-Borgov
game at the end (actually a variation from Ivanchuk-Wolff, Biel
Interzonal 1993)
best known being "The Man Who Fell to Earth" which in the movie
version starred David Bowie. "The Queen's Gambit" is comparatively
small fry by comparison much as I think Netflix did a very good job
capturing the late 60s/early70s chess scene. (I remember a lot of my
early tournament rooms and the ones in the show looked weirdly
familiar though by the late 60s when I started the rating system was
firmly in place and it didn't take 4 months to get one)
Beth Harmon is clearly modelled on Fischer but has many differences.
(No evidence Fischer ever abused drugs or alcohol and he very
definitely did have a family. I am not aware any right wing Christian
group ever tried to make him make anti-Soviet statements - he did
that on his own - and long before he hooked up with the Armstrongites!
And obviously Anja Taylor-Joy is much more photogenic! The book says
that Harmon made her own clothing choices and the outfits in the show
faithfully reflected that - tasteful but not flashy)
Borgov was a clear Botvinnik-Spassky mix and I do think the Netflix
gang made an excellent choice in their version of the Harmon-Borgov
game at the end (actually a variation from Ivanchuk-Wolff, Biel
Interzonal 1993)
The Horny Goat
Feb 18, 2022, 2:52:06 PM2/18/22
to
On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 09:33:39 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
wrote:
>In my day, it was still called "Chess Review." I still have a tattered
>copy of the January 1960 issue, because it has a postal game I played.
>I also have a photocopy of the cover of the January 1956 issue, since
>I'm in the picture on the cover.
My apologies for replying twice but you might want to check the USCF
archive which has complete sets of both Chess Life and Chess Review in
PDF format going back to the beginning. (Shout out to the USCF for
offering this!)
The Jan 56 issue you mention is found at
http://uscf1-nyc1.aodhosting.com/CL-AND-CR-ALL/CR-ALL/CR1956/CR1956_01.pdf
and I would guess you're one of the kids at the simul. From the story
on page 6 it's a Fischer simul though he's not on the cover. (At least
I didn't see him)
The main archive page is at
https://new.uschess.org/chess-life-digital-archives
and you will have to choose either Chess Life or Chess Review then the
year you want to view (which can be downloaded)
I never saw Fischer in person though I SHOULD have - I live in
Vancouver and was 14 when Fischer-Taimanov came to town and my mother
figured I was too young to take the bus all the way to the university
(though I did 3 months later to play in the Canadian Open in a larger
hall on the same campus and met Spassky and Euwe there. I liked
Spassky - and saw a lot of him at the event - though Euwe was yelling
at us teenagers for making too much noise in the skittles room.
Apparently I also missed out on seeing Tal as he was Taimanov's second
in Vancouver 1971)
wrote:
>In my day, it was still called "Chess Review." I still have a tattered
>copy of the January 1960 issue, because it has a postal game I played.
>I also have a photocopy of the cover of the January 1956 issue, since
>I'm in the picture on the cover.
archive which has complete sets of both Chess Life and Chess Review in
PDF format going back to the beginning. (Shout out to the USCF for
offering this!)
The Jan 56 issue you mention is found at
http://uscf1-nyc1.aodhosting.com/CL-AND-CR-ALL/CR-ALL/CR1956/CR1956_01.pdf
and I would guess you're one of the kids at the simul. From the story
on page 6 it's a Fischer simul though he's not on the cover. (At least
I didn't see him)
The main archive page is at
https://new.uschess.org/chess-life-digital-archives
and you will have to choose either Chess Life or Chess Review then the
year you want to view (which can be downloaded)
I never saw Fischer in person though I SHOULD have - I live in
Vancouver and was 14 when Fischer-Taimanov came to town and my mother
figured I was too young to take the bus all the way to the university
(though I did 3 months later to play in the Canadian Open in a larger
hall on the same campus and met Spassky and Euwe there. I liked
Spassky - and saw a lot of him at the event - though Euwe was yelling
at us teenagers for making too much noise in the skittles room.
Apparently I also missed out on seeing Tal as he was Taimanov's second
in Vancouver 1971)
Ken Blake
Feb 18, 2022, 3:52:05 PM2/18/22
to
On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 11:38:51 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
If you say so, but as I said, I don't know the name and never read any
others of his nor saw any of the movies.
>"The Queen's Gambit" is comparatively
>small fry by comparison much as I think Netflix did a very good job
>capturing the late 60s/early70s chess scene.
OK. By the early 60s I was gone from the chess scene and know very
little about it.
>(I remember a lot of my
>early tournament rooms and the ones in the show looked weirdly
>familiar though by the late 60s when I started the rating system was
>firmly in place and it didn't take 4 months to get one)
If you say so. I never saw the movie.
>Beth Harmon is clearly modelled on Fischer but has many differences.
>(No evidence Fischer ever abused drugs or alcohol and he very
I didn't know him after the 1950s, but as far as I know, he never
did. I met only once after 1960 or so; it was around 1968-70, I was
walking down upper Broadway in Manhattan, and we bumped into each
other. I didn't think he would remember me, but he did and he was very
friendly.
>definitely did have a family.
Yes, a mother and a sister, but I think they drifted far apart at an
early age for him. I think I met his mother only once when he was
about 11 and she brought him to the Manhattan. Perhaps he didn't want
to have anything to do with her because she was Jewish
>I am not aware any right wing Christian
>group ever tried to make him make anti-Soviet statements - he did
>that on his own
No, I don't think there was anyone who tried to make him make
anti-Soviet statements, but he was very much a part of the Nazi
log-cabin chess club, and was very friendly with Forry Laucks, who ran
(and founded, I think) the club. Forry taught him to be an
anti-semite. He always claimed not to be Jewish, because he claimed
not to be Jewish because his mother didn't count in his being what he
called himself, and he never met his father, who he claimed wasn't
Jewish (he was, as you probably know).
Forry took him and other log-cabin members on a tour of the US,
playing (and usually beating) other chess clubs all over.
>- and long before he hooked up with the Armstrongites!
>And obviously Anja Taylor-Joy is much more photogenic!
If you say so. As I said, I never saw the movie.
others of his nor saw any of the movies.
>"The Queen's Gambit" is comparatively
>small fry by comparison much as I think Netflix did a very good job
>capturing the late 60s/early70s chess scene.
little about it.
>(I remember a lot of my
>early tournament rooms and the ones in the show looked weirdly
>familiar though by the late 60s when I started the rating system was
>firmly in place and it didn't take 4 months to get one)
>Beth Harmon is clearly modelled on Fischer but has many differences.
>(No evidence Fischer ever abused drugs or alcohol and he very
did. I met only once after 1960 or so; it was around 1968-70, I was
walking down upper Broadway in Manhattan, and we bumped into each
other. I didn't think he would remember me, but he did and he was very
friendly.
>definitely did have a family.
early age for him. I think I met his mother only once when he was
about 11 and she brought him to the Manhattan. Perhaps he didn't want
to have anything to do with her because she was Jewish
>I am not aware any right wing Christian
>group ever tried to make him make anti-Soviet statements - he did
>that on his own
anti-Soviet statements, but he was very much a part of the Nazi
log-cabin chess club, and was very friendly with Forry Laucks, who ran
(and founded, I think) the club. Forry taught him to be an
anti-semite. He always claimed not to be Jewish, because he claimed
not to be Jewish because his mother didn't count in his being what he
called himself, and he never met his father, who he claimed wasn't
Jewish (he was, as you probably know).
Forry took him and other log-cabin members on a tour of the US,
playing (and usually beating) other chess clubs all over.
>- and long before he hooked up with the Armstrongites!
>And obviously Anja Taylor-Joy is much more photogenic!
The Horny Goat
Feb 18, 2022, 5:24:37 PM2/18/22
to
On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 13:52:02 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
wrote:
>No, I don't think there was anyone who tried to make him make
>anti-Soviet statements, but he was very much a part of the Nazi
>log-cabin chess club, and was very friendly with Forry Laucks, who ran
>(and founded, I think) the club. Forry taught him to be an
>anti-semite. He always claimed not to be Jewish, because he claimed
>not to be Jewish because his mother didn't count in his being what he
>called himself, and he never met his father, who he claimed wasn't
>Jewish (he was, as you probably know).
>
Uh you don't think "The Russians have Fixed World Chess" (the title of
his Sports Illustrated article) was an anti-Soviet statement?
I am very disappointed that Sports Illustrated's archives which at
first glance seem to be as good or better as the USCF's do have a link
for the issue that contained that article BUT when I went there I got
a dead link.
I appreciate not too many folks are diving into 1961 SI's and wouldn't
have been shocked not to find an archive on their site but for sure I
would have liked to read the article.
Any article that more or less single handedly led directly to changing
the method of how winners at the Interzonal get to play the world
champion has to be considered significant - and is an article I would
love to read preferably in the original like the CR issue I linked you
to.
The strongest player I ever really knew well was Peter Biyiasas who
20-30 years later mocked me for some silly things 11 year old me had
said when my late grandfather gave him and several other players a
lift after a tournament. And of course a ton of players I met from
being a junior TD at the 2003 Canadian Championship (I had directed
100+ events at that point but was glad to get that invitation as it
sealed my international arbiter title)
I also had the 'pleasure' of contacting FIDE after Abe Yanofsky's
passing because while they had removed him from the GM list they
missed the IA list - the fact that he had both titles had been
forgotten. And then there was the time I asked our national FIDE rep
to contact FIDE as the FIDE rating list had me as female and another
IA Mrs Lynn Stringer as male which definitely would have surprised her
! I later told her that between rounds and we had a good chuckle.
She's probably the best known director here on Canada's west coast.
(Alas she's now deep in dementia though she is one who will DEFINITELY
have an annual memorial tournament in her name when the time comes -
definitely not like me)
wrote:
>No, I don't think there was anyone who tried to make him make
>anti-Soviet statements, but he was very much a part of the Nazi
>log-cabin chess club, and was very friendly with Forry Laucks, who ran
>(and founded, I think) the club. Forry taught him to be an
>anti-semite. He always claimed not to be Jewish, because he claimed
>not to be Jewish because his mother didn't count in his being what he
>called himself, and he never met his father, who he claimed wasn't
>Jewish (he was, as you probably know).
>
his Sports Illustrated article) was an anti-Soviet statement?
I am very disappointed that Sports Illustrated's archives which at
first glance seem to be as good or better as the USCF's do have a link
for the issue that contained that article BUT when I went there I got
a dead link.
I appreciate not too many folks are diving into 1961 SI's and wouldn't
have been shocked not to find an archive on their site but for sure I
would have liked to read the article.
Any article that more or less single handedly led directly to changing
the method of how winners at the Interzonal get to play the world
champion has to be considered significant - and is an article I would
love to read preferably in the original like the CR issue I linked you
to.
The strongest player I ever really knew well was Peter Biyiasas who
20-30 years later mocked me for some silly things 11 year old me had
said when my late grandfather gave him and several other players a
lift after a tournament. And of course a ton of players I met from
being a junior TD at the 2003 Canadian Championship (I had directed
100+ events at that point but was glad to get that invitation as it
sealed my international arbiter title)
I also had the 'pleasure' of contacting FIDE after Abe Yanofsky's
passing because while they had removed him from the GM list they
missed the IA list - the fact that he had both titles had been
forgotten. And then there was the time I asked our national FIDE rep
to contact FIDE as the FIDE rating list had me as female and another
IA Mrs Lynn Stringer as male which definitely would have surprised her
! I later told her that between rounds and we had a good chuckle.
She's probably the best known director here on Canada's west coast.
(Alas she's now deep in dementia though she is one who will DEFINITELY
have an annual memorial tournament in her name when the time comes -
definitely not like me)
Ken Blake
Feb 18, 2022, 5:31:21 PM2/18/22
to
On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 11:52:01 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 09:33:39 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>In my day, it was still called "Chess Review." I still have a tattered
>>copy of the January 1960 issue, because it has a postal game I played.
>>I also have a photocopy of the cover of the January 1956 issue, since
>>I'm in the picture on the cover.
>
>My apologies for replying twice but you might want to check the USCF
>archive which has complete sets of both Chess Life and Chess Review in
>PDF format going back to the beginning. (Shout out to the USCF for
>offering this!)
>
>The Jan 56 issue you mention is found at
>http://uscf1-nyc1.aodhosting.com/CL-AND-CR-ALL/CR-ALL/CR1956/CR1956_01.pdf
>and I would guess you're one of the kids at the simul.
No. I was much older than any of them (18). See my other message and
you'll see who I am. I was also probably still slightly stronger than
Fischer then. By the end of that year, he was much better than me.
>From the story
>on page 6 it's a Fischer simul
Yes.
> though he's not on the cover. (At least
>I didn't see him)
Yes, he is. He's standing directly in front of me, looking at one of
the boards, with a girl (I think) playing against him.
>The main archive page is at
>https://new.uschess.org/chess-life-digital-archives
>and you will have to choose either Chess Life or Chess Review then the
>year you want to view (which can be downloaded)
Thanks. No time now, but I'll take a look later.
wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 09:33:39 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>In my day, it was still called "Chess Review." I still have a tattered
>>copy of the January 1960 issue, because it has a postal game I played.
>>I also have a photocopy of the cover of the January 1956 issue, since
>>I'm in the picture on the cover.
>
>My apologies for replying twice but you might want to check the USCF
>archive which has complete sets of both Chess Life and Chess Review in
>PDF format going back to the beginning. (Shout out to the USCF for
>offering this!)
>
>The Jan 56 issue you mention is found at
>http://uscf1-nyc1.aodhosting.com/CL-AND-CR-ALL/CR-ALL/CR1956/CR1956_01.pdf
>and I would guess you're one of the kids at the simul.
you'll see who I am. I was also probably still slightly stronger than
Fischer then. By the end of that year, he was much better than me.
>From the story
>on page 6 it's a Fischer simul
> though he's not on the cover. (At least
>I didn't see him)
the boards, with a girl (I think) playing against him.
>The main archive page is at
>https://new.uschess.org/chess-life-digital-archives
>and you will have to choose either Chess Life or Chess Review then the
>year you want to view (which can be downloaded)
William Hyde
Feb 18, 2022, 5:59:00 PM2/18/22
to
USCF published a house magazine "Chess Life", the two merged on Horowitz' retirement to form "Chess Life and Review". Later the name was changed again to "Chess Life".
"Chess Review" was a good magazine, as was "Chess Life and Review". "Chess Life", in its later incarnation, was terrible. I was glad to see they'd taken the "review" off of it as Horowitz wouldn't want to be associated with such a feeble effort.
I subscribed to CL&R from 70-74, to CL from 86-91.
William Hyde
Ken Blake
Feb 18, 2022, 6:24:49 PM2/18/22
to
On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 14:24:33 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 13:52:02 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>No, I don't think there was anyone who tried to make him make
>>anti-Soviet statements, but he was very much a part of the Nazi
>>log-cabin chess club, and was very friendly with Forry Laucks, who ran
>>(and founded, I think) the club. Forry taught him to be an
>>anti-semite. He always claimed not to be Jewish, because he claimed
>>not to be Jewish because his mother didn't count in his being what he
>>called himself, and he never met his father, who he claimed wasn't
>>Jewish (he was, as you probably know).
>>
>
>Uh you don't think "The Russians have Fixed World Chess" (the title of
>his Sports Illustrated article) was an anti-Soviet statement?
I'm not sure why you think I said that, but I didn't. What I said was
thinking may have been influenced by others)
>I am very disappointed that Sports Illustrated's archives which at
>first glance seem to be as good or better as the USCF's do have a link
>for the issue that contained that article BUT when I went there I got
>a dead link.
>
>I appreciate not too many folks are diving into 1961 SI's and wouldn't
>have been shocked not to find an archive on their site but for sure I
>would have liked to read the article.
>
>Any article that more or less single handedly led directly to changing
>the method of how winners at the Interzonal get to play the world
>champion has to be considered significant - and is an article I would
>love to read preferably in the original like the CR issue I linked you
>to.
>
>The strongest player I ever really knew well was Peter Biyiasas who
I knew two very strong players well: Fischer and Lombardy. I knew lots
of other grandmasters and near grandmasters, but nowhere near as well
wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 13:52:02 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>No, I don't think there was anyone who tried to make him make
>>anti-Soviet statements, but he was very much a part of the Nazi
>>log-cabin chess club, and was very friendly with Forry Laucks, who ran
>>(and founded, I think) the club. Forry taught him to be an
>>anti-semite. He always claimed not to be Jewish, because he claimed
>>not to be Jewish because his mother didn't count in his being what he
>>called himself, and he never met his father, who he claimed wasn't
>>Jewish (he was, as you probably know).
>>
>
>Uh you don't think "The Russians have Fixed World Chess" (the title of
>his Sports Illustrated article) was an anti-Soviet statement?
"I don't think there was anyone who tried to make him make anti-Soviet
statements." He decided to make the statement himself (but his
thinking may have been influenced by others)
>I am very disappointed that Sports Illustrated's archives which at
>first glance seem to be as good or better as the USCF's do have a link
>for the issue that contained that article BUT when I went there I got
>a dead link.
>
>I appreciate not too many folks are diving into 1961 SI's and wouldn't
>have been shocked not to find an archive on their site but for sure I
>would have liked to read the article.
>
>Any article that more or less single handedly led directly to changing
>the method of how winners at the Interzonal get to play the world
>champion has to be considered significant - and is an article I would
>love to read preferably in the original like the CR issue I linked you
>to.
>
>The strongest player I ever really knew well was Peter Biyiasas who
of other grandmasters and near grandmasters, but nowhere near as well
Ken Blake
Feb 18, 2022, 6:34:02 PM2/18/22
to
much better, although we certainly weren't close.
>USCF published a house magazine "Chess Life",
>the two merged on Horowitz' retirement to form "Chess Life and Review".
> Later the name was changed again to "Chess Life".
>"Chess Review" was a good magazine,
in others. I remember there being lots of articles I disliked.
>as was "Chess Life and Review". "Chess Life", in its later incarnation, was terrible.
about it.
>I was glad to see they'd taken the "review" off of it as Horowitz wouldn't want to be associated with such a feeble effort.
>
>I subscribed to CL&R from 70-74, to CL from 86-91.
>William Hyde
The Horny Goat
Feb 18, 2022, 11:41:55 PM2/18/22
to
On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 13:52:02 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
wrote:
>No, I don't think there was anyone who tried to make him make
>anti-Soviet statements, but he was very much a part of the Nazi
>log-cabin chess club, and was very friendly with Forry Laucks, who ran
>(and founded, I think) the club. Forry taught him to be an
>anti-semite. He always claimed not to be Jewish, because he claimed
>not to be Jewish because his mother didn't count in his being what he
>called himself, and he never met his father, who he claimed wasn't
>Jewish (he was, as you probably know).
NAZI Log Cabin club? I've heard of that club though I've never heard
that word used of them nor any political comment about any club except
possibly some of those ethnic clubs whose members come from either
various nationalities within the Soviet Union or countries overrun by
them.
The closest I've ever seen to any of that was at the local Hungarian
Cultural Center where we had a few tournaments and there was a glass
case showing a map of Hungary - although the map showed not the
boundaries we know but the boundaries during 1940-44 with Hungary
owning Transylvania) After the war the Soviets rolled the boundaries
back to what they had been which were basically what they had been
pre-war but with Stalin keeping his annexed territory in the Baltics,
eastern Poland, Czechoslovakia and Romania and of course the big
change being with the Poles moved westwards to their present western
frontier.
As for photogenic, Fischer once did a photoshoot (Sport Illustrated
again I think) in Reykjavik which showed him in swimsuit around a
pool. Somehow I don't think he was the sort that men who read the
swimsuit issue would have fancied!
But while I would enjoy having met Fischer (I know I will always
remember my encounter with Spassky even though we didn't speak -
obviousl since I was at the board with him watching us in action) I
suspect I would find an afternoon with Anya Taylor-Joy being more fun
particularly since she's known for being fairly discreet and not prone
to the kind of outbursts Bobby was.
I wish her well - she did an excellent job as Beth Harmon.
wrote:
>No, I don't think there was anyone who tried to make him make
>anti-Soviet statements, but he was very much a part of the Nazi
>log-cabin chess club, and was very friendly with Forry Laucks, who ran
>(and founded, I think) the club. Forry taught him to be an
>anti-semite. He always claimed not to be Jewish, because he claimed
>not to be Jewish because his mother didn't count in his being what he
>called himself, and he never met his father, who he claimed wasn't
>Jewish (he was, as you probably know).
that word used of them nor any political comment about any club except
possibly some of those ethnic clubs whose members come from either
various nationalities within the Soviet Union or countries overrun by
them.
The closest I've ever seen to any of that was at the local Hungarian
Cultural Center where we had a few tournaments and there was a glass
case showing a map of Hungary - although the map showed not the
boundaries we know but the boundaries during 1940-44 with Hungary
owning Transylvania) After the war the Soviets rolled the boundaries
back to what they had been which were basically what they had been
pre-war but with Stalin keeping his annexed territory in the Baltics,
eastern Poland, Czechoslovakia and Romania and of course the big
change being with the Poles moved westwards to their present western
frontier.
As for photogenic, Fischer once did a photoshoot (Sport Illustrated
again I think) in Reykjavik which showed him in swimsuit around a
pool. Somehow I don't think he was the sort that men who read the
swimsuit issue would have fancied!
But while I would enjoy having met Fischer (I know I will always
remember my encounter with Spassky even though we didn't speak -
obviousl since I was at the board with him watching us in action) I
suspect I would find an afternoon with Anya Taylor-Joy being more fun
particularly since she's known for being fairly discreet and not prone
to the kind of outbursts Bobby was.
I wish her well - she did an excellent job as Beth Harmon.
The Horny Goat
Feb 19, 2022, 3:57:55 AM2/19/22
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:24:44 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
outside input in any way.
least not in THIS world! :)
Hopefully I'll end up in the same place the good father expects to...
wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 14:24:33 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 13:52:02 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 14:24:33 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 13:52:02 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>Uh you don't think "The Russians have Fixed World Chess" (the title of
>>his Sports Illustrated article) was an anti-Soviet statement?
>
>I'm not sure why you think I said that, but I didn't. What I said was
>"I don't think there was anyone who tried to make him make anti-Soviet
>statements." He decided to make the statement himself (but his
>thinking may have been influenced by others)
OK I understand - I agree that article was entirely Fischer without
>>his Sports Illustrated article) was an anti-Soviet statement?
>
>I'm not sure why you think I said that, but I didn't. What I said was
>"I don't think there was anyone who tried to make him make anti-Soviet
>statements." He decided to make the statement himself (but his
>thinking may have been influenced by others)
outside input in any way.
>
>I knew two very strong players well: Fischer and Lombardy. I knew lots
>of other grandmasters and near grandmasters, but nowhere near as well
Have read both but never met either. Obviously won't be either - at
>I knew two very strong players well: Fischer and Lombardy. I knew lots
>of other grandmasters and near grandmasters, but nowhere near as well
least not in THIS world! :)
Hopefully I'll end up in the same place the good father expects to...
The Horny Goat
Feb 19, 2022, 4:04:15 AM2/19/22
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:33:58 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>Yes, I know. I met Kashdan only once or twice, but I knew Horowitz
>much better, although we certainly weren't close.
>
>>USCF published a house magazine "Chess Life",
>
>Yes, I know. I used to always get it.
>
>>the two merged on Horowitz' retirement to form "Chess Life and Review".
Is that the story? Have always wondered about that - ok it makes
sense.
>Yes, I know.
>
>> Later the name was changed again to "Chess Life".
>
>Yes, I know.
>
>>"Chess Review" was a good magazine,
It's interesting Tevis mentions CR but not CL - I've only read a few
of the 60s era Chess Life's so from what I've read am not surprised as
it's clear to me which magazine the teenage me would have wanted to
read. Again I'm in Canada so didn't have ready access to either in my
teens.
>As far as I'm concerned, it was good in some respects, but not so good
>in others. I remember there being lots of articles I disliked.
>
>>as was "Chess Life and Review". "Chess Life", in its later incarnation, was terrible.
>
>That was after my chess days, so I didn't get it and have no opinions
>about it.
>
>>I was glad to see they'd taken the "review" off of it as Horowitz wouldn't want to be associated with such a feeble effort.
>>
>>I subscribed to CL&R from 70-74, to CL from 86-91.
>
>I subscribed to CR from about 1953-1959. CL about the same.
>
I WAS a USCF member for a couple of years (mostly for the magazine as
I never played in WA state) but eventually gave it up as I was then at
university and didn't figure I had time to read both the Canadian and
US magazines.
It was early to mid 70s by then.
>>William Hyde
wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 14:58:58 -0800 (PST), William Hyde
><wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:33:43 AM UTC-5, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 00:28:10 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>> >On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 09:01:23 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>>> >wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 14:58:58 -0800 (PST), William Hyde
><wthyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 11:33:43 AM UTC-5, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 00:28:10 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>> >On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 09:01:23 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>>> >wrote:
>>> In my day, it was still called "Chess Review." I still have a tattered
>>> copy of the January 1960 issue, because it has a postal game I played.
>>> I also have a photocopy of the cover of the January 1956 issue, since
>>> I'm in the picture on the cover.
>>
>>"Chess Review" was a magazine founded by Horowitz and Kashdan in the depression. Kashdan didn't hang around, and Horowitz was the editor until the late 1960s.
I knew about Horowitz's involvement of course but not Kashdans.
>>> copy of the January 1960 issue, because it has a postal game I played.
>>> I also have a photocopy of the cover of the January 1956 issue, since
>>> I'm in the picture on the cover.
>>
>>"Chess Review" was a magazine founded by Horowitz and Kashdan in the depression. Kashdan didn't hang around, and Horowitz was the editor until the late 1960s.
>Yes, I know. I met Kashdan only once or twice, but I knew Horowitz
>much better, although we certainly weren't close.
>
>>USCF published a house magazine "Chess Life",
>
>Yes, I know. I used to always get it.
>
>>the two merged on Horowitz' retirement to form "Chess Life and Review".
sense.
>Yes, I know.
>
>> Later the name was changed again to "Chess Life".
>
>Yes, I know.
>
>>"Chess Review" was a good magazine,
of the 60s era Chess Life's so from what I've read am not surprised as
it's clear to me which magazine the teenage me would have wanted to
read. Again I'm in Canada so didn't have ready access to either in my
teens.
>As far as I'm concerned, it was good in some respects, but not so good
>in others. I remember there being lots of articles I disliked.
>
>>as was "Chess Life and Review". "Chess Life", in its later incarnation, was terrible.
>
>That was after my chess days, so I didn't get it and have no opinions
>about it.
>
>>I was glad to see they'd taken the "review" off of it as Horowitz wouldn't want to be associated with such a feeble effort.
>>
>>I subscribed to CL&R from 70-74, to CL from 86-91.
>
>I subscribed to CR from about 1953-1959. CL about the same.
>
I never played in WA state) but eventually gave it up as I was then at
university and didn't figure I had time to read both the Canadian and
US magazines.
It was early to mid 70s by then.
>>William Hyde
Ken Blake
Feb 19, 2022, 10:19:17 AM2/19/22
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 20:41:52 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 13:52:02 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>No, I don't think there was anyone who tried to make him make
>>anti-Soviet statements, but he was very much a part of the Nazi
>>log-cabin chess club, and was very friendly with Forry Laucks, who ran
>>(and founded, I think) the club.
By the way, the club met in Forry's house in New Jersey.
>>Forry taught him to be an
>>anti-semite. He always claimed not to be Jewish, because he claimed
>>not to be Jewish because his mother didn't count in his being what he
>>called himself, and he never met his father, who he claimed wasn't
>>Jewish (he was, as you probably know).
>
>NAZI Log Cabin club? I've heard of that club though I've never heard
>that word used of them nor any political comment about any club except
>possibly some of those ethnic clubs whose members come from either
>various nationalities within the Soviet Union or countries overrun by
>them.
Forry Laucks was clearly a Nazi, or at least a Nazi sympathizer. He
never tried to hide it. He was also a bitter anti-semite. That's not
to say that all the members were Nazis, but I'm almost sure that
Forry's political views influenced Fischer.
I tried to find a graphic of the Log Cabin Chess Clubs' logo on the
Internet, but I couldn't find one. But I'll describe it:
It had an image of a chess board in the center with a log on each
side, and each log protruded past one side of the board. From the
protruding ends of the logs were the words Log, Cabin, Chess, Club,
one word on each log.
It looked something like this
| LOG
____________
C ____ | C
L | | | A
U | | | B
B__ _|___ | | I
| N
CHESS|
My attempt at drawing it is admittedly terrible, but if you saw the
actual logo, you'd immediately recognize that it was a swastika.
wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 13:52:02 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>No, I don't think there was anyone who tried to make him make
>>anti-Soviet statements, but he was very much a part of the Nazi
>>log-cabin chess club, and was very friendly with Forry Laucks, who ran
>>(and founded, I think) the club.
>>Forry taught him to be an
>>anti-semite. He always claimed not to be Jewish, because he claimed
>>not to be Jewish because his mother didn't count in his being what he
>>called himself, and he never met his father, who he claimed wasn't
>>Jewish (he was, as you probably know).
>
>NAZI Log Cabin club? I've heard of that club though I've never heard
>that word used of them nor any political comment about any club except
>possibly some of those ethnic clubs whose members come from either
>various nationalities within the Soviet Union or countries overrun by
>them.
never tried to hide it. He was also a bitter anti-semite. That's not
to say that all the members were Nazis, but I'm almost sure that
Forry's political views influenced Fischer.
I tried to find a graphic of the Log Cabin Chess Clubs' logo on the
Internet, but I couldn't find one. But I'll describe it:
It had an image of a chess board in the center with a log on each
side, and each log protruded past one side of the board. From the
protruding ends of the logs were the words Log, Cabin, Chess, Club,
one word on each log.
It looked something like this
| LOG
____________
C ____ | C
L | | | A
U | | | B
B__ _|___ | | I
| N
CHESS|
My attempt at drawing it is admittedly terrible, but if you saw the
actual logo, you'd immediately recognize that it was a swastika.
Ken Blake
Feb 19, 2022, 11:37:50 AM2/19/22
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 08:19:13 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
Even worse when I saw it when reading my message. But it's a little
better here quoted.
better here quoted.
The Horny Goat
Feb 19, 2022, 12:16:57 PM2/19/22
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 08:19:13 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
wrote:
>It looked something like this
>
>
> | LOG
> ____________
> C ____ | C
> L | | | A
> U | | | B
> B__ _|___ | | I
> | N
> CHESS|
>
>
>My attempt at drawing it is admittedly terrible, but if you saw the
>actual logo, you'd immediately recognize that it was a swastika.
Am not visualizing it and I assure you I certainly can recognize a
swastika when I see it.
I was in a local political squabble about 15 years ago and somebody on
the other side posted a wretched cartoon on a web forum of a map of my
neighborhood pretending their side was sweeping into our neighborhood
(they showed themselves as the Allies of course) and with hand drawn
swastikas over the locations of the homes of people who opposed them -
one of them being my own home.
You do remember things like that - and never ever forgot nor forgive
those responsible. I know the cartoon said "not real Nazis" but when
the swastikas are over specific peoples' homes you don't forget --
ever -- or forgive. My "crime" was opposing their scheme to convert a
nearby public park to their exclusive sports use.
wrote:
>It looked something like this
>
>
> | LOG
> ____________
> C ____ | C
> L | | | A
> U | | | B
> B__ _|___ | | I
> | N
> CHESS|
>
>
>My attempt at drawing it is admittedly terrible, but if you saw the
>actual logo, you'd immediately recognize that it was a swastika.
swastika when I see it.
I was in a local political squabble about 15 years ago and somebody on
the other side posted a wretched cartoon on a web forum of a map of my
neighborhood pretending their side was sweeping into our neighborhood
(they showed themselves as the Allies of course) and with hand drawn
swastikas over the locations of the homes of people who opposed them -
one of them being my own home.
You do remember things like that - and never ever forgot nor forgive
those responsible. I know the cartoon said "not real Nazis" but when
the swastikas are over specific peoples' homes you don't forget --
ever -- or forgive. My "crime" was opposing their scheme to convert a
nearby public park to their exclusive sports use.
Ken Blake
Feb 19, 2022, 12:48:35 PM2/19/22
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 09:16:51 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
wrote:
>On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 08:19:13 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>It looked something like this
>>
>>
>> | LOG
>> ____________
>> C ____ | C
>> L | | | A
>> U | | | B
>> B__ _|___ | | I
>> | N
>> CHESS|
>>
>>
>>My attempt at drawing it is admittedly terrible, but if you saw the
>>actual logo, you'd immediately recognize that it was a swastika.
>
>Am not visualizing it
OK, I'm trying again, this time using a fixed font.
|LOG
|
C |
L |__|____C
U | | A
B___|__| B
| I
| N
CHESS|
Is this better?
> and I assure you I certainly can recognize a
>swastika when I see it.
Yes, I'm also sure. It's a rare person who couldn't
wrote:
>On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 08:19:13 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>It looked something like this
>>
>>
>> | LOG
>> ____________
>> C ____ | C
>> L | | | A
>> U | | | B
>> B__ _|___ | | I
>> | N
>> CHESS|
>>
>>
>>My attempt at drawing it is admittedly terrible, but if you saw the
>>actual logo, you'd immediately recognize that it was a swastika.
>
>Am not visualizing it
|LOG
|
C |
L |__|____C
U | | A
B___|__| B
| I
| N
CHESS|
Is this better?
> and I assure you I certainly can recognize a
>swastika when I see it.
The Horny Goat
Feb 19, 2022, 2:44:12 PM2/19/22
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 10:48:31 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
a bit better - not that I want to spend my Saturday analysing
swastikas!
Will have to try to find the Reykjavik 1972 book - it's the one with
the white cover and I know Gligoric was involved in some way but can't
remember whether it was the intro or the main analysis.
The fact I remember which Informant covered that match 50 years later
without having to check should tell you something - I will never
forget games 5 and 11 of that match!
swastikas!
Will have to try to find the Reykjavik 1972 book - it's the one with
the white cover and I know Gligoric was involved in some way but can't
remember whether it was the intro or the main analysis.
The fact I remember which Informant covered that match 50 years later
without having to check should tell you something - I will never
forget games 5 and 11 of that match!
William Hyde
Feb 19, 2022, 5:13:23 PM2/19/22
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A few notes on Lauks I found via google:
http://tartajubow.blogspot.com/2013/03/e-forry-laucks.html
William Hyde
Ken Blake
Feb 19, 2022, 6:58:43 PM2/19/22
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