CHESSMASTER 8000-9000? UPGRADE COUPONS???
Melissa in Colorado
my currently owned version 6000 won't run now on my newer XP computer and
because of the uncertainty that 8000 would run on it either.
But if they were giving coupons out with 8000, for the next version that WILL
run on XP, I'd probably just go ahead and get 8000 now and try it, knowing
that at least if it didn't work, I could get the one that would, when it
comes out.
What do you say Chessmaster?
--
- Melissa
Somewhere in Colorado
Troy Edwards
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I think Chessmaster is losing a lot of customers by not outright supporting
XP and NT. (Although 9000 MIGHT support XP)
I've enjoyed their line so far, but won't be picking it up anymore.
VINCENT
i have, 4000,5000,6000 and 8000 all work perfect just use the compatibility
wizard
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Players like Kasparov and Kramnik use Fritz not CM
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Melissa in Colorado
from news:3c8faec4$1...@news2.vip.uk.com:
> i keep reading about the incompatibility problem between xp and chess
> master i have, 4000,5000,6000 and 8000 all work perfect just use the
> compatibility wizard
Hmm, I didn't try that when I tried 6000 but it said it couldn't find some
vbx file, so I don't know if even that would have helped.
Melissa in Colorado
saying from news:2TSj8.18531$lM....@news2.bloor.is:
> Melissa, Chessmaster is a toy compared to Fritz...buy Fritz from
> www.chessbase.com
What do you mean by a toy? I'm primarily looking for tutorials that can
improve my play, and nice looking boards, not an engine, because I know any
engine can be me.
John Merlino
9000 will DEFINITELY support XP. It will almost certainly NOT support
NT/2000, though.
jm
John Merlino
I have no idea if Ubi Soft has an upgrade policy in place for ANY of
their programs, let alone Chessmaster, which they have owned for less
than a year. The best way to find out would be to go to
support.ubi.com and follow the appropriate links.
jm
John Merlino
> i keep reading about the incompatibility problem between xp and chess master
> i have, 4000,5000,6000 and 8000 all work perfect just use the compatibility
> wizard
You're lucky. 4000 and 8000 are known to be LIKELY to work well on XP,
but they are certainly not guaranteed. 5000, 5500 and 6000 owners have
had very little success, even with the compatibilitiy wizard. 7000
appears to be moderately successful.
jm
Cliff Daniel
>
> 9000 will DEFINITELY support XP. It will almost certainly NOT support
> NT/2000, though.
That's sad. I actually went back to Win2k on my Wintendo. Installed
CM8k and it ran for about 4 minutes before locking up. From previous
threads it would appear that certains controls they implement are
portable between various windows versions. However, fritz seems to run
just fine and their controls suit me just fine. I will most likely not
be buying CM9k if it doesn't support Win2k.
Cliff
james liggett
Melissa unless your a expert or master you don't want to buy fritz.
Fritz has no tutorials, no lessons, no annotated games, smaller
database
no drills. Can't save custom computer players.
What fritz has that CM don't is it's database has a few things like
sorts by tactics,sacs,mates ect. Sparring mode which is good up to a
point.
A window for book moves (to learn a opening it's good for that) but
not much else.
Some people will say fritz has a stronger engine but if a program
plays at a GM level what diff will a few more rating points make to
the learning avg player?
The only thing a stronger playing chess engine is good for cheating on
the internet!
BTW kasparov programs his own chess programs and if someone pays a
million dollars to play fritz I guess any GM will play fritz too.
If your just learning chess CM is the best out there. More bang for
the buck.
CM avg cost is $25.00 fritz 7 I paid $55.50 from chessbaseusa.com
I use CM8000 75% of the time the rest fritz 7.
Mostly for the reason I can set the playing strength and pick the
opening it plays vs me. Like the sicilian at a est rating of 2300+
with a random move order. Or any other opening I want to learn. Then
save that personality and play it the next time I start CM.
I can't do that with fritz7.
Reinhold Stansich
describe. I have Fritz, but the only way to have it playing a specific
strength is at a level called "Wertungspartie" in German, may be this
translates to "rated game" in the English version.
But now that CM9K is announced I am not sure if to buy the CM8K or wait
for the 9K version. I haven't seen anything about which additional
features the new version will have. Does anyone anything about it - is
it worth waiting for the new version?
Thx in advance
james liggett wrote:
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Vienna, Austria (No Kangaroos, but Mozart)
reinhold...@gmx.at
John Merlino
> www.chessbase.com
>
> Players like Kasparov and Kramnik use Fritz not CM
I love it when people say things like that.
As for Chessmaster being a "toy", this kind of statement has been shot
down so many times, it is surprising that people still say it. I'll
start by posting this:
----------------------------
Tournament T2002 by chessfriend Rolf Bühler, Zurich
***************Played 100 of 100 rounds*************
3 x Athlon 1.3/256
Engine-Matches [normally=1 round per day]
Fritz6-GUI
64 MB hashtables
ponder=off
4 men TBS
Each program with its own opening book
TheKing312X with Nz7book.ctg
Book Options: Use Book, Tournament book, Minimum games=2, Optimize
40/120' + 20/60' + 30' for rounds 1-10 [normal book options]
40/80' + 20/40' + 30' for rounds 11-25
60/120' + 30/60' + 30' for rounds 26-100
***Results round 100***
100.1) 0-1 Fritz7002 vs Junior7
100.2) 1/2 ChessTiger14 vs Shredder6
100.3) 1-0 TheKing 3.12X vs Hiarcs732
***Final standing after 100 rounds***
Program Score % Av.Op. Elo + -
Draws
1 TheKing 3.12 X :58.5/100 58.5 2390 2450 62 51
39.0 %
2 Fritz 7002 :56.5/100 56.5 2392 2438 64 47
43.0 %
3 Shredder 6 :48.0/100 48.0 2402 2388 47 49
40.0 %
4 Junior 7 :48.0/100 48.0 2402 2388 49 69
36.0 %
5 Chess Tiger 14.0 :47.5/100 47.5 2403 2385 46 68
41.0 %
6 Hiarcs 7.32 :41.5/100 41.5 2410 2350 55 62
33.0 %
----------------------------
Now, before you start arguing that obviously this test is flawed, a
few facts.
1) "TheKing 3.12 X" is a custom personality that was specifically
designed for tournament time controls. It was NOT designed to be
anti-computer, though.
2) This tournament has been going on for about four months, about one
round per day. Each round's games have been posted on CCC.
3) Many of the best chess engine authors post (or visit) CCC
regularly, and nobody has made the slightest suggestion that this test
is flawed.
So, when you suggest that CM is a toy, it is obviously not because it
doesn't have one of the strongest engines available.
Perhaps it is because of the closed-minded argument that, since CM is
not designed for GMs (and, you claim, not even USED by GMs), it
obviously isn't any good. Well, how do you know that Kasparov and
Kramnik do not use CM? I don't know either, but I DO know that at
least three ex-US Champions (and countless other GMs around the world)
DO use CM regularly.
I suspect that, if a GM has (for some strange reason) only one chess
program, it is probably more likely that it will be Fritz. But, if
they own TWO chess programs, I'd put my money that one of them is some
version of CM.
But, if you want to dismiss CM as a toy instead of an excellent chess
program and learning tool, I certainly can't stop you.
jm
Thomas T. Veldhouse
wrote:
>
>Melissa unless your a expert or master you don't want to buy fritz.
>
>Fritz has no tutorials, no lessons, no annotated games, smaller
>database
>no drills. Can't save custom computer players.
I like Fritz and I am not a master.
>
>What fritz has that CM don't is it's database has a few things like
>sorts by tactics,sacs,mates ect. Sparring mode which is good up to a
>point.
The sorting by tatics is completely broken if you apply the January
Update (at least on Windows XP it is).
>A window for book moves (to learn a opening it's good for that) but
>not much else.
There is an excellent coach that will watch you play and help you
along, depending upon the level you set it at.
>Some people will say fritz has a stronger engine but if a program
>plays at a GM level what diff will a few more rating points make to
>the learning avg player?
None, unless they they want a particular style of play or perhaps run
engine comptetions.
>
>The only thing a stronger playing chess engine is good for cheating on
>the internet!
No, it is good for analysis of games as well.
>
>BTW kasparov programs his own chess programs and if someone pays a
>million dollars to play fritz I guess any GM will play fritz too.
>
>If your just learning chess CM is the best out there. More bang for
>the buck.
It bangs often too -- if you are using Windows NT, 2000 or XP. They
simply will not support it and it does not reliably work -- especially
if you have an NVidia video card (why is that anyway?).
>
>CM avg cost is $25.00 fritz 7 I paid $55.50 from chessbaseusa.com
I paid $47 for my Fritz and I paid $29 for CM7 a year or two ago.
>
>I use CM8000 75% of the time the rest fritz 7.
>Mostly for the reason I can set the playing strength and pick the
>opening it plays vs me. Like the sicilian at a est rating of 2300+
>with a random move order. Or any other opening I want to learn. Then
>save that personality and play it the next time I start CM.
>
>I can't do that with fritz7.
Yes, I wish that Fritz could be told to play a given opening. That
would make learning openings much easier. How exactly do you get
ChessMaster to play a particular opening?
Tom Veldhouse
vel...@yahoo.com
VINCENT
sorry no soloutions take care
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Create a personality that uses a specific opening book and then
play against that personality.
>
> Tom Veldhouse
> vel...@yahoo.com
>
>
DK
> Yes, I wish that Fritz could be told to play a given opening. That
> would make learning openings much easier.
You can! Check out the link below about how to create a new opening
book for Fritz using only the openings you want it to play.
http://www.chessbase.com/support/support.asp?pid=140
Also, check out T-Notes on ChessBase frequently for tips on how to use
Fritz. There are many articles on how to learn a new opening with the
help of Fritz.
http://www.chessbase.com/support/index.asp?cat=T%2DNotes+2001
DK
james liggett
> I was already thinking of buying CM8K, because of the advantages you
> describe. I have Fritz, but the only way to have it playing a specific
> strength is at a level called "Wertungspartie" in German, may be this
> translates to "rated game" in the English version.
>
> But now that CM9K is announced I am not sure if to buy the CM8K or wait
> for the 9K version. I haven't seen anything about which additional
> features the new version will have. Does anyone anything about it - is
> it worth waiting for the new version?
>
> Thx in advance
The next version is due to be released in about 2 or 3 months. Here are the
intended features for CM9000 (some of these may change or even be dropped
before the program is released).
-- True 3D Boards and Pieces. Fifteen boards and twenty-four piece sets to
choose from and view from any angle and resize at will. Some of the piece
sets are "flat", making them useful for users who prefer 2D boards. Requires
DirectX 8.0 or higher.
-- Chessmaster Live restored on Ubi Soft servers. One big community for all
Chessmaster owners to play against each other and chat. Persistent data
keeps all users' records on file at all times. Requires internet connection.
-- Updated version of The King chess engine
-- Sudden Death time control
-- Endgame Database Support, including all utilities to create and manage
the files
-- New drill types, and all drills will report number of moves to mate
-- Blunder Alert, alerting you instantly when you make a "blunder" (a move
which shows a loss of more than a pawn, although this minimum value can be
changed by the user from between 0.5 to 3.0)
-- New "Mentor Lines" window that shows either the N best moves overall
(similar to Chessbase) or the single best move over time (the way CM8000
displayed its output in the Thinking Lines window)
-- Style settings for personalities are now "mirrored", meaning that there
is now MY King Safety and OPPONENT'S King Safety, MY Pawn Weakness and
OPPONENT'S Pawn Weakness, etc. Five more personality settings to play with!
-- Standard content updates to Database and Classic Games
-- Josh Waitzkin's "Psychology of Competition" Audio Course
-- Endgame Quiz from GM Larry Evans
-- Four new GM personalities (Kramnik, Najdorf, Paulsen and Zukertort)
-- Improved Opening Book format, allowing for "unlimited" moves in any book
-- Completely updated GM opening books
-- Random and/or hidden opponents for Tournaments and Rated Games
-- Increased number of players that can be in Tournaments. Round Robin
Tournaments now support up to 32 players, and Swiss Tournaments now support
up to 128 players.
-- Users can now define their initial ratings
-- Users can now define ratings for user-created personalities
-- Ability to edit the biography and playing style descriptions of
user-created personalities
-- Copy and Paste PGN/FEN
-- Mentor engine activity status messages
-- Mentor engine settings dialog (Hash Table size and Blunder Alert
threshhold)
-- Thinking Lines window available in Tournament Room
-- Side-to-move indicator in Visual Thinking window
-- Compatible with Windows XP/ME/98/95
cm
james liggett
In chessmaster 8000 it's much easyer to do.
Download the opening books file (all opening books in 1 file)
put them in to the opening books directory.
Pick a personality (or a make new one of your own up) then pick the
opening that you want and save.
Done!
takes no more the 5 mins including download time.
John Merlino
> >the buck.
>
> It bangs often too -- if you are using Windows NT, 2000 or XP. They
> simply will not support it and it does not reliably work -- especially
> if you have an NVidia video card (why is that anyway?).
The next version will support XP. The current version does not support
XP because XP was released after CM8000 was released.
As for NVidia cards, I had no idea that they are a problem. But, if
they ARE a problem, it is most likely because of old or buggy drivers.
CM8000 does nothing special as far as video goes.
> >
> >I use CM8000 75% of the time the rest fritz 7.
> >Mostly for the reason I can set the playing strength and pick the
> >opening it plays vs me. Like the sicilian at a est rating of 2300+
> >with a random move order. Or any other opening I want to learn. Then
> >save that personality and play it the next time I start CM.
> >
> >I can't do that with fritz7.
>
> Yes, I wish that Fritz could be told to play a given opening. That
> would make learning openings much easier. How exactly do you get
> ChessMaster to play a particular opening?
You can either make your own opening book via a PGN file that contains
only games with that opening, or you can simply download the opening
books that the development team created. You can get them by going to
www.chessmaster.com and clicking on the "Downloads" button -- look for
"New Chessmaster Opening Books". All of the directions are there.
jm
Dave Roberts
acd2ca8c.02031...@posting.google.com, "james liggett"
<redzo...@att.net> wrote:
>
> Melissa unless your a expert or master you don't want to buy fritz.
>
> Fritz has no tutorials, no lessons, no annotated games, smaller
> database
> no drills. Can't save custom computer players.
>
> What fritz has that CM don't is it's database has a few things like
> sorts by tactics,sacs,mates ect. Sparring mode which is good up to a
> point.
> A window for book moves (to learn a opening it's good for that) but
> not much else.
> Some people will say fritz has a stronger engine but if a program
> plays at a GM level what diff will a few more rating points make to
> the learning avg player?
>
> The only thing a stronger playing chess engine is good for cheating on
> the internet!
>
Hi all,
This is a stupid fight. Fritz and ChessMaster are both fine programs. If you
like one or the other, go for it. I have CM from about 4000 to 7000 and have
now switched to Fritz 7. I am certainly not a master, but find Fritz to be
more helpful for my learning - I like the blunder mode and the friend mode.
I also very much like the Fritz server. On the flipside, I do like the
tutorials and annotated games. CM is "prettier" but I prefer that the
program play chess not use PC resources on looking good. Both programs would
crush me, so the Chess engine seems to be less important for playing,
although maybe not for analysis. For what it's worth, I had Fritz play CM
7000 on identical machines in one of our labs, and Fritz won +19 =14 -17. So
I suspect that the engines are too close to call. And who really cares who
is using which program? Kasparov, Kramnik and Pono all play chess on a far
higher level than us mere mortals. The question is which program will best
help you improve your play. Another big plus for CM is the fact that John M.
posts here regularly. Thanks John!
Now that I've spouted off, I will put my flame retardant suit on and return
to lurking.
Dave Roberts
Reinhold Stansich
sounds that for people like me who own Fritz as well the CM8K version
will do as well (at least I think that the additions are not worth
paying 40 Euro more).
Melissa in Colorado
saying from news:cae6db3d.02031...@posting.google.com:
That's odd, because isn't XP almost the same as NT? In fact I think they
call it NT 5.1?
Melissa in Colorado
by saying from news:slrna90pg0...@ohno.cluestore.net:
> * John Merlino <JVMe...@aol.com>:
>>
>> 9000 will DEFINITELY support XP. It will almost certainly NOT support
>> NT/2000, though.
>
> That's sad. I actually went back to Win2k on my Wintendo. Installed
> CM8k and it ran for about 4 minutes before locking up. From previous
> threads it would appear that certains controls they implement are
> portable between various windows versions. However, fritz seems to run
> just fine and their controls suit me just fine.
But will Fritz do everything Chessmaster does? Like nice boards, a good
tutorial etc?
Melissa in Colorado
news:3c90d93b$1...@news1.vip.uk.com:
> i cant speak for 7000 havent got that one but honestly all others work ok.
I tried 6000 and it couldn't find a vbx file somewhere, so I had to uninstall
it.
Melissa in Colorado
by saying from news:acd2ca8c.02031...@posting.google.com:
Ok, that was my impression too, but people keep saying; Get Fritz!
> What fritz has that CM don't is it's database has a few things like
> sorts by tactics,sacs,mates ect. Sparring mode which is good up to a
> point.
> A window for book moves (to learn a opening it's good for that) but
> not much else.
> Some people will say fritz has a stronger engine but if a program
> plays at a GM level what diff will a few more rating points make to
> the learning avg player?
I'm only rated around 1100 now on WCN so almost any engine can beat me 100%
of the time.
> The only thing a stronger playing chess engine is good for cheating on
> the internet!
Whoopee.
> If your just learning chess CM is the best out there. More bang for
> the buck.
Thanks, but I may still have to wait for the XP version. I don't want to
spend $35 and have it possibly not work on XP and get told "too bad" by the
company that sells it.
> CM avg cost is $25.00
Where? I haven't seen 8000 for any less than $26, even on Ebay. ( except
for that site that hasn't changed their web page offering it for $13, in
over a year, and won't reply to my emails about it )
> I use CM8000 75% of the time the rest fritz 7.
> Mostly for the reason I can set the playing strength and pick the
> opening it plays vs me. Like the sicilian at a est rating of 2300+
> with a random move order. Or any other opening I want to learn. Then
> save that personality and play it the next time I start CM.
>
> I can't do that with fritz7.
I see.
Melissa in Colorado
by saying from news:acd2ca8c.02031...@posting.google.com:
> Reinhold Stansich <reinhold...@NOSPAM.gmx.at> wrote in message
> news:<3C90D09B...@NOSPAM.gmx.at>...
>> I was already thinking of buying CM8K, because of the advantages you
>> describe. I have Fritz, but the only way to have it playing a specific
>> strength is at a level called "Wertungspartie" in German, may be this
>> translates to "rated game" in the English version.
>>
>> But now that CM9K is announced I am not sure if to buy the CM8K or wait
>> for the 9K version. I haven't seen anything about which additional
>> features the new version will have. Does anyone anything about it - is
>> it worth waiting for the new version?
>>
>> Thx in advance
>
> The next version is due to be released in about 2 or 3 months. Here are
> the intended features for CM9000 (some of these may change or even be
> dropped before the program is released).
Chessmaster says 4-5 months now.
BTW, I just put my Chessmaster 6000 on Ebay and am planning on using the
proceeds towards the next version when it comes out.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2010058671
Melissa in Colorado
saying from news:cae6db3d.02031...@posting.google.com:
Even their support people said they didn't know, when I asked them that via
email, and said to ask someone else.
dph
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drovar
"Melissa in Colorado" <mel...@NODARNSPAMupalliance.org> wrote in message
Melissa
One feature I really like about CM8000, is Josh Waitzkin's voice annotated
games collection, very enjoyable, instructive and worth going through.
dph
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His enthusiam is infectious.
This is off-topic, but I wonder whether there is any football software
that has chalkboard-style annotated offensive and defensive plays?
james liggett
> redzo...@att.net (james liggett) bestowed such eternal wisdom upon us
> by saying from news:acd2ca8c.02031...@posting.google.com:
>
>
>
> Where? I haven't seen 8000 for any less than $26, even on Ebay. ( except
> for that site that hasn't changed their web page offering it for $13, in
> over a year, and won't reply to my emails about it )
>
I got mine for $17.00 I way back last yr.
You can get CM8k for CHESSMASTER 8000
(JEWEL CASE)
LEARNING CO
PC
$14.95 at http://www.game-port.com/games-cp.htm
this place has it for $16.95 http://www.msbcd.com/cds4sale/8455.html
or you can pay more if you want it in the box at
http://compwizz.safeshopper.com/12/cat12.htm for $23.99
and if you don't want to buy it from them. I will sell you mine for
what I paid for it + shipping.
Melissa in Colorado
us by saying from news:B8B770C5.35BA%d.e.r...@abdn.ac.uk:
...
> Hi all,
>
> This is a stupid fight. Fritz and ChessMaster are both fine programs. If
> you like one or the other, go for it. I have CM from about 4000 to 7000
> and have now switched to Fritz 7. I am certainly not a master, but find
> Fritz to be more helpful for my learning - I like the blunder mode and
> the friend mode. I also very much like the Fritz server. On the
> flipside, I do like the tutorials and annotated games. CM is "prettier"
> but I prefer that the program play chess not use PC resources on looking
> good.
:-) In my case I have a 1.4 GHz AMD XP machine with 512 megs RAM and
wouldn't be using it for anything else while playing, so....
> Both programs would crush me, so the Chess engine seems to be less
> important for playing, although maybe not for analysis. For what it's
> worth, I had Fritz play CM 7000 on identical machines in one of our
> labs, and Fritz won +19 =14 -17. So I suspect that the engines are too
> close to call. And who really cares who is using which program?
> Kasparov, Kramnik and Pono all play chess on a far higher level than us
> mere mortals. The question is which program will best help you improve
> your play. Another big plus for CM is the fact that John M. posts here
> regularly. Thanks John! Now that I've spouted off, I will put my flame
> retardant suit on and return to lurking.
No, you're right. The thing is that I want it mostly for the tutorials and
the pretty boards, so... :-)
Melissa in Colorado
saying from news:a6t9ea$ghf$1...@iac5.navix.net:
The very reasons I want Chessmaster is to find ways of improving my game.
I've never even read a book on chess in the 43 years I've been occasionally
playing it for fun. My biggest problem over all that time was not having
someone to play with most of the time. Now I discovered online chess so
that one is solved.
But I need something that can take the place of reading some dry boring
book, for me. Something WITH pretty boards and something that can teach me
about the various styles of openings, what they do, etc...
--
- Melissa
Somewhere in Colorado
BTW, I just put my Chessmaster 6000 on Ebay and am planning
Melissa
by saying from news:acd2ca8c.02031...@posting.google.com:
> Melissa in Colorado <mel...@NODARNSPAMupalliance.org> wrote in message
> news:<3c910075$1...@omega.dimensional.com>...
>> redzo...@att.net (james liggett) bestowed such eternal wisdom upon
>> us by saying from news:acd2ca8c.02031...@posting.google.com:
>>
>>
>> CM avg cost is $25.00
>>
>> Where? I haven't seen 8000 for any less than $26, even on Ebay. (
>> except for that site that hasn't changed their web page offering it for
>> $13, in over a year, and won't reply to my emails about it )
>>
>
> I got mine for $17.00 I way back last yr.
> You can get CM8k for CHESSMASTER 8000
> (JEWEL CASE)
> LEARNING CO
> PC
> $14.95 at http://www.game-port.com/games-cp.htm
Hmm, do you know they're legit? I don't want pirated stuff.
And why do I see so many company names with CM8000?
Just on that one page, I see it from Mattel and Learning Company. Isn't
8000 owned by some company called BPI now?
> this place has it for $16.95 http://www.msbcd.com/cds4sale/8455.html
Whoa, not anymore. $39.
> or you can pay more if you want it in the box at
>
> http://compwizz.safeshopper.com/12/cat12.htm for $23.99
> and if you don't want to buy it from them. I will sell you mine for
> what I paid for it + shipping.
How much?
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John Merlino
> redzo...@att.net (james liggett) bestowed such eternal wisdom upon us
> by saying from news:acd2ca8c.02031...@posting.google.com:
>
> > Melissa in Colorado <mel...@NODARNSPAMupalliance.org> wrote in message
> > news:<3c910075$1...@omega.dimensional.com>...
> >> redzo...@att.net (james liggett) bestowed such eternal wisdom upon
> >> us by saying from news:acd2ca8c.02031...@posting.google.com:
> >>
> >>
> >> CM avg cost is $25.00
> >>
> >> Where? I haven't seen 8000 for any less than $26, even on Ebay. (
> >> except for that site that hasn't changed their web page offering it for
> >> $13, in over a year, and won't reply to my emails about it )
> >>
> >
> > I got mine for $17.00 I way back last yr.
> > You can get CM8k for CHESSMASTER 8000
> > (JEWEL CASE)
> > LEARNING CO
> > PC
> > $14.95 at http://www.game-port.com/games-cp.htm
>
> Hmm, do you know they're legit? I don't want pirated stuff.
>
> And why do I see so many company names with CM8000?
> Just on that one page, I see it from Mattel and Learning Company. Isn't
> 8000 owned by some company called BPI now?
>
Over the last several years, the Chessmaster software line has gone
through many ownership changes. Within 10 years, the names on the box
have been, in order:
The Software Toolworks
Mindscape (actually, just a name change here, not owned by a different
company)
The Learning Company
Mattel Interactive
Ubi Soft
And there have been a few other ownership changes in between there
that did not change the name on the box (i.e. The Learning Company was
bought by Pearson PLC, sold to Mattel and renamed to Mattel
Interactive, then sold to Gores Technologies and renamed back to The
Learning Company, etc.)
However, there are still a couple of people currently on Chessmaster
who have been there since The Software Toolworks days.
jm
james liggett
> redzo...@att.net (james liggett) bestowed such eternal wisdom upon us
> by saying from news:acd2ca8c.02031...@posting.google.com:
>
> > Melissa in Colorado <mel...@NODARNSPAMupalliance.org> wrote in message
> > news:<3c910075$1...@omega.dimensional.com>...
> >> redzo...@att.net (james liggett) bestowed such eternal wisdom upon
> >> us by saying from news:acd2ca8c.02031...@posting.google.com:
> >>
> >>
> >> CM avg cost is $25.00
> >>
> >> Where? I haven't seen 8000 for any less than $26, even on Ebay. (
> >> except for that site that hasn't changed their web page offering it for
> >> $13, in over a year, and won't reply to my emails about it )
> >>
> >
> > I got mine for $17.00 I way back last yr.
> > You can get CM8k for CHESSMASTER 8000
> > (JEWEL CASE)
> > LEARNING CO
> > PC
> > $14.95 at http://www.game-port.com/games-cp.htm
>
> Hmm, do you know they're legit? I don't want pirated stuff.
>
The reason they are cheap is low overhead and jewel case. No box,
no owners manual just the cds and the case they come in.
retail stores markup at least 100% that's why you see them for 29.00
and up.
>
And why do I see so many company names with CM8000?
> Just on that one page, I see it from Mattel and Learning Company. Isn't
> 8000 owned by some company called BPI now?
>
The learning company was the owners when 8000 was put out.
> > this place has it for $16.95 http://www.msbcd.com/cds4sale/8455.html
>
> Whoa, not anymore. $39. is the box price.
>
Better put your glasses on look at the right side of the screen 2nd
one down is chessmaster 8000 for $16.95 !!!!!!!!!!
>
> or you can pay more if you want it in the box at
> >
> > http://compwizz.safeshopper.com/12/cat12.htm for $23.99
> > and if you don't want to buy it from them. I will sell you mine for
> > what I paid for it + shipping.
>
> How much? $20.00 del. via us mail
Melissa
saying from news:cae6db3d.02031...@posting.google.com:
I can see that happening over years, but just during version 8000?
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Melissa
Oh, ok, I hadn't seen that one. I did a search on Chessmaster 8000, in the
search box on that page, and the one I found says $34 now. Mixed up site.
Philip Cavanagh
Gunny Bunny wrote:
>
> Melissa, Chessmaster is a toy compared to Fritz...buy Fritz from
> www.chessbase.com
>
> Players like Kasparov and Kramnik use Fritz not CM
Yes, but are we Kasparov and Kramnik?!? No! Many players enjoy the CM
program, hence why it sells so well. I've got every version from 2000
up, and always enjoyed using it. I bought Shredder and don't like it/use
it much. I wish I had bought Fritz 7 when I had the chance, but only
because of the analysis option. Nuff said.
> "Melissa in Colorado" <mel...@NODARNSPAMupalliance.org> wrote in message
> news:3c8ef27b$1...@omega.dimensional.com...
> > The main reason I'm holding back on buying Chessmaster right now, is
> because
> > my currently owned version 6000 won't run now on my newer XP computer and
> > because of the uncertainty that 8000 would run on it either.
> >
> > But if they were giving coupons out with 8000, for the next version that
> WILL
> > run on XP, I'd probably just go ahead and get 8000 now and try it, knowing
> > that at least if it didn't work, I could get the one that would, when it
> > comes out.
> >
> > What do you say Chessmaster?
> >
Michael Burnem
> "VINCENT" <v...@pgen.net> bestowed such eternal wisdom upon us by saying
from
> news:3c90d93b$1...@news1.vip.uk.com:
>
> > i cant speak for 7000 havent got that one but honestly all others work
ok.
>
> I tried 6000 and it couldn't find a vbx file somewhere, so I had to
uninstall
> it.
I've even gotten it working in linux, with wine running win2k base system!
=)
Michael Burnem
news:acd2ca8c.02031...@posting.google.com...
They have definetly taken into account feedback! =)
Thomas T. Veldhouse
>Thomas T. Veldhouse <vel...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<esl19uotmpl8v7sr7...@4ax.com>...
>> >If your just learning chess CM is the best out there. More bang for
>> >the buck.
>>
>> It bangs often too -- if you are using Windows NT, 2000 or XP. They
>> simply will not support it and it does not reliably work -- especially
>> if you have an NVidia video card (why is that anyway?).
>
>The next version will support XP. The current version does not support
>XP because XP was released after CM8000 was released.
That is not the reason they don't support it. If it were, they would
already support Windows 2000. The real reason that I see is that
their GUI programmers are technologically stale and haven't kept up.
>
>As for NVidia cards, I had no idea that they are a problem. But, if
>they ARE a problem, it is most likely because of old or buggy drivers.
>CM8000 does nothing special as far as video goes.
NVidia cards (or their drivers) have had compatibility problems with
many games/applications (Civilization 3 is one recent release). This
has been the result of poor programming on the software end and bugs
in the drivers.
Tom Veldhouse
vel...@yahoo.com
John Merlino
Yep -- three different owners during the life of CM8000 (Mattel
Interactive, The Learning Company, Ubi Soft).
jm
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Melissa
saying from news:cae6db3d.02031...@posting.google.com:
>> > who have been there since The Software Toolworks days.
>>
>> I can see that happening over years, but just during version 8000?
>
> Yep -- three different owners during the life of CM8000 (Mattel
> Interactive, The Learning Company, Ubi Soft).
Can you spell "gang bang" boys and girls? :)
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matt -`;'-
I like the alleged CM9000 features! Hopefully it will get all those and
more...
My most favorite thing about CM8000 is the way you can create custom
players - very custom players.
I like tweaking my GM hatchlings and then watching them grow. Its fun to
create players, then play them against each other until their strength is
enhanced, then I play against them myself. Oh the pain, the pain...
Usually by the time I have played them out against each other and have
refined their styles and tweaked them to perfection during playoffs - they
are quite strong. This is the best Chess program I know for creating custom
players, and if CM9000 is going to add more tweaking abilities I am going to
be very pleased!
I also liked the onboard players with their many different
styles/strengths/weaknesses.
The one thing I did not like completely about CM8000 was the interface in
some areas was not as direct as I would wish. It wasn't bad, and the
outstanding graphics and other features made up for it to some extent.
But I think that a more direct access, maybe by selecting Tabs or something
would enhance CM9000.
I like to jump to certain tasks very directly, without having to lose screen
real estate in order to do so.
The Icon menu on the left was nice looking, but I think Tabs or Buttons on
the Top or Bottom of the screen would be a better feature for moving from
task to task. I have seen Tabs used successfully in non-chess type programs
to rapidly access other tasks/pages/screens.
Even so, I still have to rate CM8000 very high, and overall I like it better
than any other chess program I own. It can do things that even the
"Big-Boys of Chess programs" - can not. And it just looks better too.
I have to hope that the 2D screens will get as much attention as the 3D
screens - because I can't do any serious playing on a 3D screen.
If anyone of the creators of CM9000 are reading: Clear/quality/variety for
chess pieces and chess boards. And a means to resize the board to custom
sizes as opposed to small/big - if possible, would be great!
Just my 2 cents...
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--- matt -`;'-