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Offramp

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Sep 17, 2012, 10:17:41 AM9/17/12
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What exactly did Nigel Short say in his obituary of Tony Miles in that has caused such lasting resentment?

Taylor Kingston

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Sep 17, 2012, 3:35:04 PM9/17/12
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On Monday, September 17, 2012 7:17:41 AM UTC-7, Offramp wrote:
> What exactly did Nigel Short say in his obituary of Tony Miles in that has caused such lasting resentment?

I don't have the obit handy so I can't give you a direct quote, but Short's Wikipedia entry says:

"Following the death of Tony Miles in 2001, Short wrote an obituary in the Sunday Telegraph in which he claimed that during the 27th Chess Olympiad in Dubai he had slept with Miles's then-girlfriend."

raylopez99

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Sep 17, 2012, 5:30:54 PM9/17/12
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On Monday, September 17, 2012 3:35:04 PM UTC-4, Taylor Kingston wrote:
> On Monday, September 17, 2012 7:17:41 AM UTC-7, Offramp wrote:
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> > What exactly did Nigel Short say in his obituary of Tony Miles
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> I don't have the obit handy so I can't give you a direct quote, but
> Short's Wikipedia entry says:

Well by repeating that defamation, if it is not true, you just reoffended T. Miles estate. So once again you've broken the law.

RL

Taylor Kingston

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Sep 18, 2012, 3:38:04 PM9/18/12
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Yep, that's me: wanted dead or alive. Bon Jovi sings about me here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRvCvsRp5ho
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Taylor Kingston

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Sep 18, 2012, 4:48:15 PM9/18/12
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On Monday, September 17, 2012 7:17:41 AM UTC-7, Offramp wrote:
> What exactly did Nigel Short say in his obituary of Tony Miles in that has caused such lasting resentment?

I found the obit posted on Kevin Spragget's website:

http://kevinspraggett.blogspot.com/2011/11/tony-miles-and-dying-young.html

Completely disdaining any of the traditional obituary niceties, Short says many uncomplimentary things about Miles. Concerning Alan's query, relevant part seems to be this:

"By the time of the Dubai Olympiad such was the difference in our rankings it was clear to the unbiased observer that Tony's decade-long grip on the top spot was over. Nevertheless with Tony as a selector I found myself occupying board three to the incredulity of most, including an astonished Kasparov. An American reporter who unwisely mentioned this irregularity in the tournament bulletin was punched to the ground by the robust Tony. I obtained a measure of revenge by not only eclipsing him in terms of chess performance but also by sleeping with his girlfriend, which was definitely satisfying but perhaps not entirely gentlemanly."

raylopez99

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Sep 18, 2012, 9:43:32 PM9/18/12
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On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 4:48:16 PM UTC-4, Taylor Kingston wrote:

> I found the obit posted on Kevin Spragget's website:
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Again, re-defamating Miles' reputation, like the outlaw you are.

And the blurb below about Short, who is a well known sex philander (or so I've read, and he was booted from his column for making some sort of obscene sexist remarks or conduct), shows that it's the pot calling the kettle black, no?

Also Short says that Miles made repeated draw offers and this is illegal. Is this true? How can you enforce this? Does the arbiter decide the position is not a draw and do what, deduct time from the offending player?

RL

When he died, everyone was shocked, especially since he kept his health issues to himself. I was one of the pallbearers at his funeral several weeks later. I remember ,vaguely, hearing harsh comments about an obituary that had been written by Nigel Short--the one who had replaced Tony as England's number one--and I noted the outrage expressed about how one could publish such stuff in England.
I did not bother to read the obituary in question. I had no interest; Tony was my friend and I already knew that Short was at times given to hyperbolic swings in his behaviour and relations with others. Besides, I wanted to distance myself from the politics of English chess.
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Taylor Kingston

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Sep 18, 2012, 10:59:14 PM9/18/12
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On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 6:43:32 PM UTC-7, raylopez99 wrote:
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> And the blurb below about Short, who is a well known sex philander [sic]

Among the various types of philandering, sex is probably the most popular.

raylopez99

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Sep 19, 2012, 12:13:14 PM9/19/12
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What other kind is there, shiite for brains? Once again you make no sense, Mr. Nonsense.

RL

Taylor Kingston

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Sep 19, 2012, 12:33:18 PM9/19/12
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Heck, Ray, it was you who used the term "sex philander," not me. Read your own post above.

Offramp

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Sep 19, 2012, 2:30:55 PM9/19/12
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You didn't say where Short philands.

MikeMurray

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Sep 19, 2012, 3:46:28 PM9/19/12
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On Monday, September 17, 2012 7:17:41 AM UTC-7,

Wasn't Sam Sloan the American "knocked to the ground"?

Taylor Kingston

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Sep 19, 2012, 3:52:40 PM9/19/12
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On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 12:46:29 PM UTC-7, MikeMurray wrote:
> On Monday, September 17, 2012 7:17:41 AM UTC-7,
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> Wasn't Sam Sloan the American "knocked to the ground"?

I know Sloan was at the Dubai Olympiad, but not if he was Miles' target. Maybe he will tell us himself here.

Taylor Kingston

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Sep 19, 2012, 5:26:25 PM9/19/12
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On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 6:43:32 PM UTC-7, raylopez99 wrote:
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> Short says that Miles made repeated draw offers and this is illegal. Is this true? How can you enforce this? Does the arbiter decide the position is not a draw and do what, deduct time from the offending player?

I'm not sure what the FIDE rule is now, but some decades ago, I believe at Botvinnik's insistence, a rule was set that if a draw offer was declined, the player who had made the offer was prohibited from making any further such offers unless and until his opponent had made one. The idea was to prevent repeated draw offers being used to distract and unsettle the opponent. I believe the penalty was forfeiture of the game, to be enforced by the arbiter.

raylopez99

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Sep 22, 2012, 12:35:15 PM9/22/12
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On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 3:46:29 PM UTC-4, MikeMurray wrote:
> On Monday, September 17, 2012 7:17:41 AM UTC-7,
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> Wasn't Sam Sloan the American "knocked to the ground"?

Miles vs. Sloan, first round goes to the Brit!

You guys here are a font of chess trivial wisdom.

RL

Taylor Kingston

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Sep 22, 2012, 1:00:08 PM9/22/12
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On Saturday, September 22, 2012 9:35:15 AM UTC-7, raylopez99 wrote:
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> You guys here are a font of chess trivial wisdom.

Waddya know, Ray, for once you've written something clever, at least accidentally. "Trivial wisdom" — I like that; it has a nice oxymoronic quality. Might make a good title for a poetry anthology.

raylopez99

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Sep 23, 2012, 8:10:41 PM9/23/12
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On Saturday, September 22, 2012 1:00:08 PM UTC-4, Taylor Kingston wrote:
> Waddya know, Ray, for once you've written something clever,
> at least accidentally. "Trivial wisdom" — I like that;

Everything I write is clever, but you don't always see it. I guess we don't see eye to eye TK, as you're beneath me.

RL
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Taylor Kingston

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Sep 23, 2012, 8:28:50 PM9/23/12
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On Sunday, September 23, 2012 5:10:41 PM UTC-7, raylopez99 wrote:
> On Saturday, September 22, 2012 1:00:08 PM UTC-4, Taylor Kingston wrote:
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> > Waddya know, Ray, for once you've written something clever,
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> > at least accidentally. "Trivial wisdom" — I like that;
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> Everything I write is clever,

Only in your own badly befogged mind, Ray. An illusion fostered by too much sex philanding with the quaddros.

abc

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Oct 10, 2012, 5:59:52 PM10/10/12
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Who is this raylopez clown?
abc

Taylor Kingston

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Oct 10, 2012, 6:25:04 PM10/10/12
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On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:00:12 PM UTC-7, abc wrote:
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> Who is this raylopez clown?

A foul-mouthed, pseudonymous troll who fancies himself an expert on chess and many other things about which he is not very knowledgeable. Often quite offensive, but also very cowardly: doesn't have the courage to post under his own name. Seems to be American, but has claimed to be living in Greece and/or Indonesia, and to be involved in multi-million-dollar business deals.
Occasionally he comes up with an interesting post, but these are greatly outnumbered by ridiculous ones. If he acts in person the way he acts on newsgroups, he will probably find himself badly beaten in a dark alley someday.

raylopez99

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Oct 12, 2012, 7:26:53 AM10/12/12
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On Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:25:04 AM UTC+3, Taylor Kingston wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:00:12 PM UTC-7, abc wrote:
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[slander deleted]

Hey TK: marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2012/10/the-spread-of-priority-queueing.html

"For the pointer I thank Ray Lopez." said the future Nobelian.

RL

raylopez99

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Oct 12, 2012, 7:28:41 AM10/12/12
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On Monday, September 24, 2012 3:28:50 AM UTC+3, Taylor Kingston wrote:
> On Sunday, September 23, 2012 5:10:41 PM UTC-7, raylopez99 wrote:
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> > On Saturday, September 22, 2012 1:00:08 PM UTC-4, Taylor Kingston wrote:
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"For the pointer I thank Ray Lopez." said the future Nobel Prize winner in Economics. marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2012/10/the-spread-of-priority-queueing.html

RL

Taylor Kingston

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Oct 12, 2012, 3:24:47 PM10/12/12
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On Friday, October 12, 2012 4:28:41 AM UTC-7, raylopez99 wrote:
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> "For the pointer I thank Ray Lopez." said the future Nobel Prize winner in Economics.

This honeymoon is doomed to be short, once Dr. Cowen disagrees with our Ray, and Ray replies with his usual insults.

micky

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Oct 12, 2012, 7:30:39 PM10/12/12
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Rude to point..

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micky

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Oct 12, 2012, 7:37:56 PM10/12/12
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Yep, it will end in tears.. I vote they both be put in the drink with a
pointer (a White one)..

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raylopez99

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Oct 13, 2012, 2:20:14 PM10/13/12
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On Friday, October 12, 2012 10:24:48 PM UTC+3, Taylor Kingston wrote:

> This honeymoon is doomed to be short, .

Nigel Short is my next door neighbor here in Athens. Have not screwed up the courage to ask him to play chess with me, for a fee of course. I wonder if he three-peats the upcoming Gibraltar Open--it's amazing he won twice in a row, and in an amazing fashion last year, winning the tournament on the last game against the #2 rated player in India.

RL

Phil Innes

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Oct 13, 2012, 3:37:12 PM10/13/12
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On Monday, September 17, 2012 10:17:41 AM UTC-4, Offramp wrote:
> What exactly did Nigel Short say in his obituary of Tony Miles in that has caused such lasting resentment?

I know what Miles said about Short, from an interaction in a Russian tournament; that he said "Good Morning, to Short who is still searching for a witty response". Recently I spoke with Danny Gormley about Our Nigel — The Diplomat, and /laugh/ nothing that can be repeated here. Phil Innes

raylopez99

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Oct 13, 2012, 3:50:21 PM10/13/12
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Hey Phil, not too many posters here can rub elbows like you can with the chess glitterati. It's because strong chess players, unless they are paid coaches, are natural snobs. They won't deign to waste time with patzers such as most of us here, but limit their chess related conversations to those that are nearly an IM and above. I can't blame them for that--they are bored easily by patzer play. Especially those patzers--who shall go unnamed [TK]--who have never made a 'Greek Gift' sacrifice OTB. Imagine being in the top 50 (supposedly) US correspondence players and having never made a GG sac! <gg>

RL

Andrew B

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Oct 13, 2012, 4:34:29 PM10/13/12
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Assuming you mean Danny Gormally: if my main claim to chess fame was
that I'd got drunk at an Olympiad, tried to start a fight with Aronian,
and left the event early after getting beaten up by his team-mates, I
wouldn't be sarcastically calling someone else "The Diplomat".
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