Playchess.com is full of cheaters
Sameone
computer assistance in their games..
raylopez99
> Its my opinion that Playchess.com is full of cheaters and people that have
> computer assistance in their games..
What level of play? All levels or just at the lower levels of
1200-1800 Elo?
RL
MikeMurray
Good point. When breaking in a new handle, I found lots of cheating
until I got to about 1750. And unrated games seem to have problems.
raylopez99
> On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 13:12:47 -0800 (PST), raylopez99
>
> >On Dec 1, 9:05 pm, "Sameone" <nos...@no.spam> wrote:
> >> Its my opinion that Playchess.com is full of cheaters and people that have
> >> computer assistance in their games..
>
> >What level of play? All levels or just at the lower levels of
> >1200-1800 Elo?
>
> >RL
>
> Good point. When breaking in a new handle, I found lots of cheating
> until I got to about 1750. And unrated games seem to have problems.
Unrated games have problems? Wow. That means people are logging in
as "Guests23482"--a one time use handle--and cheating! Man that's
desperate. They are so afraid of losing they want to convince
themselves they are strong by cheating!?
As for above 1750, I am a bit suspicious about some of the strong
players--I think they also cheat sometimes--I've seen a few suspicious
ratings.
RL
SolomonW
> Its my opinion that Playchess.com is full of cheaters and people that have
> computer assistance in their games..
True
What I have noticed is that people cheat with the time a lot too. I was
winning and my opponent ran out of time, suddenly he had 14 seconds, then
when that ran out, he had more time, then when the more time ran out, he
had still more time again.
MikeMurray
<raylo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>As for above 1750, I am a bit suspicious about some of the strong
>players--I think they also cheat sometimes--I've seen a few suspicious
>ratings.
It may be that the higher rated cheats are just cleverer about it.
On occasion, multiple players use a single account -- a strategem
intended more to cheat PlayChess than the opponent, although it has
the effect of handing out "free" rating points to some while
undeservedly taking rating points from others.
Rob Sharp
How does one tell if your opponent is using computer assistance,
especially is correspondence chess? How can you tell the difference
between a player making the best move though skill, luck or CPU help?
Rob
MikeMurray
wrote:
>An honest question...
>
>How does one tell if your opponent is using computer assistance,
>especially is correspondence chess? How can you tell the difference
>between a player making the best move though skill, luck or CPU help?
>
>Rob
Just looking at the moves for a single game? Pretty hard. If someone
cheats all the time, they'll get a high rating and you won't be
playing them at all. Playchess audits the software running on your
machine while you are playing -- they often catch cheats and broadcast
the penalties.
The lag cheats are pretty easy to spot. Time gets tight well into the
game and they start developing longer and longer lags. Or, the
cheater offers to let you take back your move, and if you respond, you
get in an endless loop.
None
> An honest question...
>
> How does one tell if your opponent is using computer assistance,
> especially is correspondence chess? How can you tell the difference
> between a player making the best move though skill, luck or CPU help?
That's easy. if you lost they're cheating and if you win they're not
cheating.
raylopez99
> On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 02:58:13 -0800 (PST), raylopez99
>
> >As for above 1750, I am a bit suspicious about some of the strong
> >players--I think they also cheat sometimes--I've seen a few suspicious
> >ratings.
>
> It may be that the higher rated cheats are just cleverer about it.
>
> On occasion, multiple players use a single account -- a strategem
> intended more to cheat PlayChess than the opponent, although it has
> the effect of handing out "free" rating points to some while
> undeservedly taking rating points from others.
I just thought of a strategy that will win you points. Set up
multiple accounts. Use a computer to win lots of points early in one
account, call it the 'cheater account'. Then log on with a different
browser to your handle that you want to inflate, call it the 'balloon
account'. Then have the
cheater account lose all its games to the 'balloon account'.
Eventually the cheater account will be booted by Playchess.com, but,
in the meantime the same user can setup multiple accounts that also
cheat, and also deliberately lose to the 'balloon account'. After a
few months, the balloon account will be rated Elo 3000. Sort of like
that VA con Sam Sloan talked about, Blood*.
Do you think this will work? Probably some desperate people willing
to do anything to inflate their earnings, like Dr. Fart, are thinking
of doing it now!
RL
MikeMurray
<raylo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Do you think this will work?
Yes. For a while, at least. And if getting the points meant enough,
one could buy several old copies of Fritz on ebay and have a whole
herd of point gatherers.
SolomonW
A good test is if suddenly they take a long time on a move that is in a
very difficult position.