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Susan Polgar, a Non-Member, is listed as Number One US Woman Player

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samsloan

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Jan 3, 2010, 12:28:25 PM1/3/10
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After years of being off the top-women rating lists due to inactivity,
Susan Polgar is now listed as number one, even though she was expelled
from the USCF in August.

http://main.uschess.org/component/option,com_top_players/Itemid,371?op=list&month=0912&f=TopWomen&h=Top%20Women

She got this number one ranking by playing a single exhibition game
against Fred Gruenberg, a 1500 rated player.

Should there not be some rule against this?

Sam Sloan

EJAY

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Jan 3, 2010, 1:11:21 PM1/3/10
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On Jan 3, 12:28 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> After years of being off the top-women rating lists due to inactivity,
> Susan Polgar is now listed as number one, even though she was expelled
> from the USCF in August.
>
> http://main.uschess.org/component/option,com_top_players/Itemid,371?o...

>
> She got this number one ranking by playing a single exhibition game
> against Fred Gruenberg, a 1500 rated player.
>
> Should there not be some rule against this?
>
> Sam Sloan

Perhaps they want to stack a future US Women's Team...

EJAY

The Masked Bishop

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Jan 3, 2010, 1:14:01 PM1/3/10
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Susan Polgar is awesome, and invaluable to the promotion of chess in
the US. Whatever her relationship with the USCF, we need her a lot
more than she needs us. I for one celebrate ANY announcement of her
involvement in our beleaguered hobby.

TMB

Forsythe

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Jan 3, 2010, 2:34:45 PM1/3/10
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It would be interesting if she did play under a different flag at a
FIDE event as a protest!

The Masked Bishop

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Jan 3, 2010, 2:37:27 PM1/3/10
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You can be part of US chess and not part of the USCF. One does not
necessarily presume the other.

TMB

ChessFire

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Jan 3, 2010, 2:50:18 PM1/3/10
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On Jan 3, 2:34 pm, Forsythe <douglasforsy...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> It would be interesting if she did play under a different flag at a
> FIDE event as a protest!

2 years ago we [with Susan's permission] foisted an April Fool's Joke
on the New York Times Blog about Susan moving back to Hungary and
taking over an estate to promote women's chess, naturally her sisters
would run the place with her - said nunnery was of course an ancient
estate possibly to do with the Templars? etc., and received the
unwitting promotion to NY Times by Sam Sloan. We had to address all
fans within 24 hours since both Susan and Chessville had received
thousands of inquiries registering dismay that she was leaving the US.

One actually frightening to me as a chess player exposition by Susan
was watching her play a blitz game against a master, except he had 5
minutes, she had 2. What was frightening was her immediate
apprehension of the board, and as immediately moved. He got into time
trouble, she didn't. I think this sequence was filmed by National
Geographic for a film now released to 100 countries.

Now USCF have expelled this person, who seems to even FIDE as the
biggest promoter of chess, in the USA and elsewhere. Shall we concur
that USCF are not interested in promoting chess at all, and don't like
those who 'rock the boat' rather than 'rock the cradle' of money
making scholastic chess - but don't care what happens thereafter?

Among the main promoters of chess in the USA I would say what I wrote
above is no hyperbole, and everyone who does try to shift things on
the chess spectrum knows exactly what I am referring to.

Howsomever, I do not think that Susan Polgar should continue with USCF
and should resign. The organization has absolutely no stated plan to
follow its own mission and reason for existence; to promote chess to
USA. Therefore, since Czar Goichberg is in for a life term, favoring
those who are as he is, why continue to associate with this bunch of
losers?

I have said so to Susan before, and as directly.

Phil Innes
Vermont


The Masked Bishop

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Jan 3, 2010, 3:02:47 PM1/3/10
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I have blessedly little knowledge of all the back-and-forth lawsuits
going on, except that some of them seem to be predicated on something
as silly and substanceless as usenet postings.

My sense is the USCF has never really grasped the Internet, and tends
to over-emphasize some aspects of it while ignoring others that might
be more profitable for them. They are not alone in this...many
individuals, organizations and media outlets have gone down flailing
in the face of digital information.

I said earlier I don't see what use the Executive Board has ever been,
regardless who is on it. I would suggest that if you really want the
Board to make a difference, you people it with millionaire donors and
celebrities, like what most successful non-profit organizations do.
Putting rank-and-file chess players on the USCF board seems counter-
productive...I can't see a zoo or museum doing something like that,
loading their board with ticket-paying patrons.

Forsythe

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Jan 3, 2010, 3:20:55 PM1/3/10
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sd

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Jan 3, 2010, 4:26:01 PM1/3/10
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On Jan 3, 2:02 pm, The Masked Bishop <tmb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I said earlier I don't see what use the Executive Board has ever been,
> regardless who is on it. I would suggest that if you really want the
> Board to make a difference, you people it with millionaire donors and
> celebrities, like what most successful non-profit organizations do.

Please provide evidence of this. In my own experience with non-
profits, "millionaires" are rarely donors (our last "millionaire"
Board member wasted more money than Bill G. ever will) and celebrities
do it for the exposure, rather than providing anything useful.

The Masked Bishop

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Jan 3, 2010, 5:18:07 PM1/3/10
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Millionaire DONORS....as in, you pay a million or so to the USCF to
get on the board.

That's how it works at your local city museum, trust me.

TMB

The Masked Bishop

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Jan 3, 2010, 5:35:18 PM1/3/10
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Also, people who have invested a considerable amount of money into an
organization are generally much less prone to fritter it away. I'm not
sure what the total personal dollar investment into the USCF of our
current board is, but I'm guessing NOT MUCH.

As for celebrities on the board, they bring in money, sponsorship
opportunities, connections, and publicity. Imagine the USCF with
Sandra Bullock or Michael Phelps sitting on its board. I have no idea
of either of those two play chess, but you get the drift.

Mike Murray

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Jan 3, 2010, 7:07:29 PM1/3/10
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On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:35:18 -0800 (PST), The Masked Bishop
<tmb...@gmail.com> wrote:


>As for celebrities on the board, they bring in money, sponsorship
>opportunities, connections, and publicity. Imagine the USCF with
>Sandra Bullock or Michael Phelps sitting on its board. I have no idea
>of either of those two play chess, but you get the drift.


How about Dustin Diamond ?

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