Fritz 6 vs. Fritz 8
Darek
Nowadays, I have got Fritz 6. Is it Fritz 8 stronger than Fritz 6?
Thanks in advance!
best regards,
Darek
Michael Varney
"Darek" <inter...@NOSPAMpoczta.onet.pl> wrote in message
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> Hello!
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> Nowadays, I have got Fritz 6. Is it Fritz 8 stronger than Fritz 6?
>
> Thanks in advance!
Question is: Is Fritz six stronger than you?
Darek
Użytkownik "Michael Varney" <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu>:
> Question is: Is Fritz six stronger than you?
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It depends on position. Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
So?
regards,
Darek
Leonardo Ljubicic
:-))
Leonardo
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Darek
Użytkownik "Leonardo Ljubicic" <leonardo...@st.hinet.hr> napisał w
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> No, Fritz 8 is seriously weaker than Fritz 6.
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> :-))
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> Leonardo
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It is not funny!!!
If you don't know to help, don't answer in this stupid way!
Darek
Seeker3333361465
>From: "Darek" inter...@NOSPAMpoczta.onet.pl
>Date: 1/29/04 9:58 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <bvbhho$fiq$1...@korweta.task.gda.pl>
Fritz 8 is the best program 4 the money
it claims a rating of 2701 , but in fact its about
2668 , Shredder 7.04 is 2699(but costs 2 much)
Chessmaster 9 k claims 2748
but its only 2550
the strongest of all is deep junior at 2748
but I think U need multiple computers 2 run it
Seeker3333361465
>From: "Michael Varney" varney@colorado_no_spam.edu
>Date: 1/29/04 1:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Of course it is but that aint the point
U should play the strongest thing U can get ypur hands on , so U know your
tactics work on the best players
HD
From where did you get those ratings???
Who or what did the programs play to obtain them (I haven't them before).
And the prices: Except for DF-programs, I always pay the same for
Shredder, Junior, Fritz and so on - bought at Chessbase, that is.
I thought I knew a little, but it seems I'm completely wrong!
(I suppose you mean multiprocessor?!)
BTW: Yes, Fritz 8 is overall stronger than F6 - no doubt.
HD
Michael Varney
"Darek" <interdarekb@[bez_spamu]poczta.onet.pl> wrote in message
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Then you would do well to play fritz 8. However, Fritz 6 could beat 99% of
the strong players in the world, so constantly upgrading to a stronger
engine just for the sake of claiming to own the strongest engine is rather
silly.
If you wish to use it for analysis, that is a different question. If you
want an engine that plays more human-like chess, that is a different
question.
Michael Varney
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> Użytkownik "Leonardo Ljubicic" <leonardo...@st.hinet.hr> napisał w
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> > No, Fritz 8 is seriously weaker than Fritz 6.
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> > :-))
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> > Leonardo
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> It is not funny!!!
I was laughing my ass off, so it was funny.
> If you don't know to help, don't answer in this stupid way!
The answer seemed to be precisely tailored to the level of the question.
Michael Varney
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I am not sure you would be able to tell what would work on the strongest
players by noting any differences in your play with either fritz 6 or 8
unless you could beat both with regularity at its strongest setting. The
bleeding edge in this case is far beyond the needs of even A players.
Seeker3333361465
>From: HD h...@aab11.dk
>Date: 1/30/04 6:35 AM Pacific Standard Time
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>Seeker3333361465 skrev:
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>>>Subject: Fritz 6 vs. Fritz 8
>>>From: "Darek" inter...@NOSPAMpoczta.onet.pl
>>>Date: 1/29/04 9:58 AM Pacific Standard Time
>>>Message-id: <bvbhho$fiq$1...@korweta.task.gda.pl>
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>>>Hello!
>>>
>>>Nowadays, I have got Fritz 6. Is it Fritz 8 stronger than Fritz 6?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>>best regards,
>>>Darek
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>> Fritz 8 is the best program 4 the money
>> it claims a rating of 2701 , but in fact its about
>> 2668 , Shredder 7.04 is 2699(but costs 2 much)
>> Chessmaster 9 k claims 2748
>> but its only 2550
>> the strongest of all is deep junior at 2748
>> but I think U need multiple computers 2 run it
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> From where did you get those ratings???
Some website dont remember the name of it
I was looking to buy a tabletop
chess computer , especially Novaq Star diamond , but it cost 2 much money 4
me
+ this website had all these ratings it was clamining 4 various tabletops +
software
all of the were well below the ratings claimined , most by 200-300 points
Maybe they R full of shit I dont know
But I set the chessmaster 9k at
1600 , I draw it , I am about equall 2 it set at
1600-1700 , I dont think Im that strong
US chess fed rated me at 1300
8 years ago , mayB I inproved
I dont know , I also only give it 15 minutes
to make all its moves(and me as well) , + I dont think any of those chess
tabletops or software can run full strength with such time limits
can they ?
arent U supposed 2 give em 3 minutes a move
? My 15 minute game 4 each side thats about
only 20 seconds a move'
But I cant focus 4 any longer then that
cause of short attention span
So if I only give the damn thing 20 seconds a move when it should have 3
minutes a move
I must B cutting its strength by at least 600 points correct ?
So if I am playing CM 9 K + I set it at
1600 , but only give it 20 seconds per move when it should have 3 minutes
then I probably am only really playing a
opponent of 1000 cause of the time limit
correct ?(keep in mind I set the same time limit on myself)
Now 4 fun I often play the Stanley personality
which is a monkey rated at 1
I dont really think a monkey could play chess
could it ?
>Who or what did the programs play to obtain them (I haven't them before).
>And the prices: Except for DF-programs, I always pay the same for
>Shredder, Junior, Fritz and so on - bought at Chessbase, that is.
>
>I thought I knew a little, but it seems I'm completely wrong!
U probably know more then me
your ratings probably higher then mine
I suck at chess even though I like it
I think Im only 1250-1300 myself
my problem is I make lots of stupid blunders
I will be playing fine , then I do some dumbass thing like throw a knight away
4 nothing
or let my king get in 2 trouble
Seeker3333361465
>Date: 1/30/04 6:39 AM Pacific Standard Time
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>"Darek" <interdarekb@[bez_spamu]poczta.onet.pl> wrote in message
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>> Użytkownik "Michael Varney" <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu>:
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>> > Question is: Is Fritz six stronger than you?
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>> It depends on position. Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
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>> So?
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>Then you would do well to play fritz 8. However, Fritz 6 could beat 99% of
>the strong players in the world, so constantly upgrading to a stronger
>engine just for the sake of claiming to own the strongest engine is rather
>silly.
I disagree how else R U supposed 2 become the best unless U play the best ?
>If you wish to use it for analysis, that is a different question. If you
>want an engine that plays more human-like chess, that is a different
>question.
Humans play nasty , in the chess club the B and A players would kick my ass
mostly because of pawns, they were much more aggressive with their pawns then I
was
even seemed more aggresive w/pawns then
the computers
I would be playing fine then get fucked up by
enemy pawns + have 2 resign
I play fine w/all the rest of the pieces
except pawns + knights(both of which I hate)
I especially hate knights , I hate the way they move , and I try to exchange
them off as early in the game as possible , often willing 2 trade
my bishops 4 enemy knights , just 2 get rid of em, Im not supposed 2 do that
cause Bishops R worth slightly more then knights
especially 2 bishops together
I am ecstatic if I can trade my knights 4 enemy knights early in the game , and
thus get em all off the board early in the game
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Michael Varney
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> Michael Varney <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote:
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> > Question is: Is Fritz six stronger than you?
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> you use it for analysis, you may get MUCH better results with the newer
> engines that are becoming more positionally aware.
Agreed.
henri Arsenault
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> >Subject: Re: Fritz 6 vs. Fritz 8
> >From: "Michael Varney" varney@colorado_no_spam.edu
> >Date: 1/30/04 6:39 AM Pacific Standard Time
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> >"Darek" <interdarekb@[bez_spamu]poczta.onet.pl> wrote in message
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> I especially hate knights , I hate the way they move , and I try to exchange
> them off as early in the game as possible , often willing 2 trade
> my bishops 4 enemy knights , just 2 get rid of em, Im not supposed 2 do that
> cause Bishops R worth slightly more then knights
> especially 2 bishops together
I think it was Tartakover who said "Chess is easy. Just play your knight
to e5, and eventually sacrifice it on f7 to win".
Have youtried that?
henri
Yves Surmont
(or just better).
There are several cases of IMs saying in their youth they would play through
games of world champions and not understanding the logic of the moves, so
they did not learn from those games. Instead, when playing through games of
IMs they did understand the plans and motives - so they learnt more from
"weaker than best" players.
Personally, I think if you play a game against a human which is sth like
100-200 elo stronger, and after you lost, he explains you why you lost, you
learn a lot more than when losing to a IGM; who may briefly say you why you
lost, but using strategies which are beyond your comprehension.
I think it was Khalifman who wrote a book, explaining IGM games for three
different levels of players; let's say club players, 2100 strength and IM
level. He had the funny experience that he had to give a "!" to a subtle
move on IM level, while according a "?" to that same move for the club
player level. (I believe I have this from an interview in a NIC magazine -
now quoting from memory).
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http://users.pandora.be/yves.surmont/comp.htm
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