Problem with posting is solved
Komputer Korner
The solution was simple and it was my ISP. It seems that Netscape warns you
if your previous post info is too long and then in conjunction with Netcom
will refuse to let you post unless you snip almost all of it out. IE gives
you a warning but will then send your post to oblivion without telling you.
It doesn't happen all the time but enough of the time to make me start
snipping again.
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Komputer Korner
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Jim Caccamise
Glad you solved your posting problem. I did enough research to
know these problems are related to ISP and browser setup differences.
(Even though you doubted this was your cause.) I believe my problem
is also ISP related - but not sure if it's the same. Thanks for
posting your problem resolution, now others (including myself) can
check for this source of posting problems.
Jim Caccamise
Komputer Korner <kor...@netcom.ca> wrote in article
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Jim Caccamise
I frequently get the Internet News message window :
" More than 80% of your message is quoted from the message to which
you are responding.
Most newsgroups consider this rude. Try reducing the amount of text
from that message.
Are you sure you want to post?"
I usually respond yes when my message is a brief response to a
previous post that isn't too large.
Is this the warning that you are seeing with responses that sometimes
fail to post?
Did your internet provider confirm this problem?
Carl Tillotson
In article <01bcc620$24e0d9e0$76cc68ce@jimc>, Jim Caccamise wrote:
> I frequently get the Internet News message window :
>
> " More than 80% of your message is quoted from the message to which
> you are responding.
> Most newsgroups consider this rude. Try reducing the amount of text
> from that message.
> Are you sure you want to post?"
>
> I usually respond yes when my message is a brief response to a
> previous post that isn't too large.
>
Maybe learning to use cut&paste a bit more would be the best course of
action.
Carl Tillotson
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Komputer Korner
If you don't cut and paste with Internet Explorer and you have an ISP like
Netcom the post will never show. You must pare the previous responses
almost down to nothing, no more than 10-12 lines
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Komputer Korner
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Please do not email both me and the r.g.c.c. at the same time. I read all
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> In article <01bcc620$24e0d9e0$76cc68ce@jimc>, Jim Caccamise wrote:
Komputer Korner
I haven't talked to Netcom about this, but after i started snipping every
post started showing up.
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Komputer Korner
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Jim Caccamise <c...@magicnet.net> wrote in article
<01bcc620$24e0d9e0$76cc68ce@jimc>...
> I frequently get the Internet News message window :
>
> " More than 80% of your message is quoted from the message to which
> you are responding.
> Most newsgroups consider this rude. Try reducing the amount of text
> from that message.
> Are you sure you want to post?"
>
> I usually respond yes when my message is a brief response to a
> previous post that isn't too large.
>
Carl Tillotson
In article <01bcc658$4c8f1b40$a15ab5cf@ALAN>, Komputer Korner wrote:
> I haven't talked to Netcom about this, but after i started snipping every
> post started showing up.
I use Netcom, it is not the ISP that is at fault. You hit the nail on the
head when you said you never had the problem with Netscape but you do with
IE. Does it ring any bells ?
Keith Ian Price
>In article <01bcc658$4c8f1b40$a15ab5cf@ALAN>, Komputer Korner wrote:
>> I haven't talked to Netcom about this, but after i started snipping every
>> post started showing up.
>
>I use Netcom, it is not the ISP that is at fault. You hit the nail on the
>head when you said you never had the problem with Netscape but you do with
>IE. Does it ring any bells ?
>
>
>Carl Tillotson
>=============
Microsoft have decided you shall obey (Imperative case) the rules of
Netiquette. And what's wrong with this? But, here in the US, they have
a new commercial for IE 4. It shows downloads at T1 speeds and with
Latin chanting in the background for effect. Then the usual "where do
you want to go today?" Unfortunately, the chant is "Confutatis
maledictis, flammis acribus addictis", which, if I am told correctly,
translates to "when the damned are cast down into the searing flames."
Not where I want to go today.
Hmm, maybe there's something to the fact that the decimal values of
the uppercase ASCII letters BILL GATES when added to 3 (because he is
Wm. Gates III) equal 666. Go back to Netscape, Korner. Or better yet,
get Free Agent.
kp
Komputer Korner
Does Netcom let you post as much original postings as you want in a reply?
I think not. The 2 are connected. Browser and ISP. The difference is that
while Netscape prevents you from posting a lot of previous stuff without
snipping, IE sends your post into a black hole. If you go with an ISP that
allows this, then you have no problem, but then you will have more
restrictions on how many days your newsgroups postings stay active and how
large the total number of postings that your ISP's newserver can handle.
Snipping is important and I am now back to snipping.
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Komputer Korner
The inkompetent komputer
If you see a 1 in my email address, take it out before replying.
Please do not email both me and the r.g.c.c. at the same time. I read all
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Carl Tillotson <anti...@anti.spam.somewhere.com> wrote in article
<VA.00000291.0090c3ee@dad>...
> In article <01bcc658$4c8f1b40$a15ab5cf@ALAN>, Komputer Korner wrote:
> > I haven't talked to Netcom about this, but after i started snipping
every
> > post started showing up.
>
> I use Netcom, it is not the ISP that is at fault. You hit the nail on the
> head when you said you never had the problem with Netscape but you do
with
> IE. Does it ring any bells ?
>
>
> Carl Tillotson
> =============
>
Robert Hyatt
Komputer Korner (kor...@netcom.ca) wrote:
: Does Netcom let you post as much original postings as you want in a reply?
: I think not. The 2 are connected. Browser and ISP. The difference is that
: while Netscape prevents you from posting a lot of previous stuff without
: snipping, IE sends your post into a black hole. If you go with an ISP that
: allows this, then you have no problem, but then you will have more
: restrictions on how many days your newsgroups postings stay active and how
: large the total number of postings that your ISP's newserver can handle.
: Snipping is important and I am now back to snipping.
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: Komputer Korner
: The inkompetent komputer
This whole discussion is pointless. Most browsers that post have a
configuration mechanism to disable this "quoted text" limit. If yours
doesn't, simply edit the response, and add something unique to the front
of each line. The posting software will then think all lines are
unique additions by you and will post with no problems.
Of course, this is no problem, normally, because you shouldn't quote
everything. But there are occasions where 30 lines needs to be quoted,
to add a 5 line response. just add --> to the front of each line before
you then add your new lines, your posting software will be happy, as will
you.
However, I don't know of any posting software that doesn't tell you when
a post is rejected for having too much quoted material. But you have to
be careful and watch what it is saying as it finishes processing the
post request...
Komputer Korner
I will repeat. IE 3.02 puts your post into a black hole without telling you
this. It says you are rude for sending all that info but IT doesn't tell
you that it will send your post into a black hole. The discussion isn't
pointless because it is a lot of work to rearrange a lot of previous
posting that you want shown. We have all done this but I grind my teeth
every time I do it. Netcom seems to have a limit that no browser can get
around.
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Komputer Korner
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If you see a 1 in my email address, take it out before replying.
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Robert Hyatt <hy...@crafty.cis.uab.edu> wrote in article
<605rck$7...@juniper.cis.uab.edu>...
Carl Tillotson
In article <01bcc71b$13dc9980$645ab5cf@ALAN>, Komputer Korner wrote:
> Does Netcom let you post as much original postings as you want in a reply?
> I think not. The 2 are connected.
I have PROVED in another posting, sorry folks but KK just won't be told, that
I can quote the whole message and just send it back without even having to
add anything !
So wake up, the ISP is not stopping you. Nevertheless, it is a darn good idea
to stop it since a lot of people don't have the courtesy of cut&paste.
Why don't you purchase a decent OLR, try http://www.vamail.com for starters.
Carl Tillotson
In article <01bcc71b$13dc9980$645ab5cf@ALAN>, Komputer Korner wrote:
> Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.computer
> Subject: Re: Problem with posting question
> Date: 22 Sep 1997 01:57:31 EDT
>
> Does Netcom let you post as much original postings as you want in a reply?
> while Netscape prevents you from posting a lot of previous stuff without
> snipping, IE sends your post into a black hole. If you go with an ISP that
> allows this, then you have no problem, but then you will have more
> restrictions on how many days your newsgroups postings stay active and how
> large the total number of postings that your ISP's newserver can handle.
> Snipping is important and I am now back to snipping.
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> Komputer Korner
>
> The inkompetent komputer
>
> If you see a 1 in my email address, take it out before replying.
> Please do not email both me and the r.g.c.c. at the same time. I read all
> the postings on r.g.c.c.
>
> <VA.00000291.0090c3ee@dad>...
> > In article <01bcc658$4c8f1b40$a15ab5cf@ALAN>, Komputer Korner wrote:
> > > I haven't talked to Netcom about this, but after i started snipping
> every
> > > post started showing up.
> >
> > I use Netcom, it is not the ISP that is at fault. You hit the nail on the
>
> > head when you said you never had the problem with Netscape but you do
> with
> > IE. Does it ring any bells ?
> >
> >
Jim Caccamise
Carl, sorry you haven't "PROVED" anything. I believe KK said SOME of
his reply's with this message get lost - same for me even though I have a
different ISP. Also, just because you are using netcom doesn't mean KK
gets the same netcom server, or even that you get the same netcom server
from their server "farm" every time. (Maybe this is why only some of the
reply's with warnings get deleted. )
Jim Caccamise
P.S. Posting this reply, as a test, even though I will get that pesky
warning. There is a good chance this will not post. But if it does it
doesn't prove anything, since some of my reply's with this message do get
lost. I haven't isolated the cause of my problem with 100% confidence
yet, but I do suspect that my ISP server "farm" may be involved in some
of my problems.
Carl Tillotson <anti...@anti.spam.somewhere.com> wrote in article
<VA.00000293.001ade86@dad>...
> In article <01bcc71b$13dc9980$645ab5cf@ALAN>, Komputer Korner wrote:
>
> > Does Netcom let you post as much original postings as you want in a
reply?
> > I think not. The 2 are connected.
>
> I have PROVED in another posting, sorry folks but KK just won't be
told, that
> I can quote the whole message and just send it back without even having
to
> add anything !
>
> So wake up, the ISP is not stopping you. Nevertheless, it is a darn
good idea
> to stop it since a lot of people don't have the courtesy of cut&paste.
>
> Why don't you purchase a decent OLR, try http://www.vamail.com for
starters.
>
Jim Caccamise
Correction - I think - (from your descriptions) : it is not IE 3.02
that puts your message into a black hole - but netcom and perhaps other
ISP's. IE 3.02 allows posting of these messages if your ISP will accept
them. Believe me, this annoys me too because I suffer from lost reply's
- not sure yet if mine has the same cause. But, it may be unfair to blame
Microsoft for ISP related problems. If KK's description is correct, IE
3.02 will allow you to post messages that other news readers won't, if
your ISP allows it. If you know your ISP rejects these messages - than
you can head the IE 3.02 warning message that allows you to change your
reply before sending. (I get these warning messages frequently, and I
don't consider it rude to post a 5 line reply to a 15 line quoted
message. )
What is needed is for the ISP news software to send a message when posts
are rejected. Is there a standard protocol for doing this? Can Microsoft
Internet News accept these messages? If netcom is rejecting these
reply's, why does it only reject some of them? (Perhaps explained if the
ISP has a news server "farm" with different servers handling reply's
differently. If this is the case, it is possible to explicitly select
your news server ID. )
Also, I wonder how the ISP knows to reject these messages. Does the
ISP's software determine this on it's own (I think not), or does the
senders news reader send a "net etiquette" violation flag with the
message? If the later is the case, then a way to disable the flag from
within the news reader would alleviate the problem. The ideal solution -
from both sender and ISP perspectives - would be to send a flag that the
reply violates net etiquette guidelines but the sender wants to post
anyway. If the ISP wants to enforce net etiquette or rejects a post for
any other reason, the ISP should send a post rejected message back to
the sender. (Of course the news reader needs to be able to display these
ISP messages.)
Jim Caccamise
P.S. I have cross posted this to microsoft.public.internet.news, so that
Microsoft Internet News support is aware of these problems.
Komputer Korner <kor...@netcom.ca> wrote in article
<01bcc77b$379d6ce0$a55ab5cf@ALAN>...
> I will repeat. IE 3.02 puts your post into a black hole without telling
you
> this. It says you are rude for sending all that info but IT doesn't
tell
> you that it will send your post into a black hole. The discussion isn't
> pointless because it is a lot of work to rearrange a lot of previous
> posting that you want shown. We have all done this but I grind my teeth
> every time I do it. Netcom seems to have a limit that no browser can
get
> around.
Carl Tillotson
In article <01bcc84f$c8bafb00$76cc68ce@jimc>, Jim Caccamise wrote:
> P.S. Posting this reply, as a test, even though I will get that pesky
> warning. There is a good chance this will not post. But if it does it
> doesn't prove anything, since some of my reply's with this message do get
> lost. I haven't isolated the cause of my problem with 100% confidence
> yet, but I do suspect that my ISP server "farm" may be involved in some
> of my problems.
Well it got here, sorry if I seemed a bit abrupt with KK, but he keeps
persisting. I merely pointed out that his premise that it was 80% of a
previous message was rubbish in this instance because I was able to quote
100% of his message and send it back in it's entire form, using the same ISP
as he does.
However, I would accept that some servers may have a problem with the SIZE of
a message but that is a different issue entirely. Some ISP's do put some
limits on the size of an message, but I would have thought that this would
have brought the alt.binaries groups to a standstill :-)
Komputer Korner
I never said anything about 80%. I don't know where you got that from. If
you are using Netscape or IE how do you set either one so that all of the
previous postings will be kept?,
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>
Carl Tillotson
In article <01bcc892$81ecee20$505ab5cf@ALAN>, Komputer Korner wrote:
> I never said anything about 80%. I don't know where you got that from.
Whoops my mistake it was you quoting someone else who had said 80%, but
difficult to say since you always seem to include all what's gone before :-)
My apologies !