No Sponsers for Kasparov-Shirov. Let a Shirov vs Anand match decide Kasparov's challenger.

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Phil Leone

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Dec 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/29/98
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Shirov beat Kramnik for the right to challenge Gary Kasparov for the WCC
title. Shirov was robbed and It does not appear that Shirov will get to play
Kasparov for the title. I propose this, Shirov vs Anand to determine the
challenger to Kasparov. If Shirov wins no one can question his chances
againest Kasparov. Though its unfair that Alexey would have to win matches
againest the world 2 and 3 to play Kasparov at least the chess public would
get another high quality match. But If I were Shirov I get it in writing.

Remco Gerlich

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Dec 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/30/98
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Shirov did get a chance, but *he* turned it down because the prize money
was too low. Matches have a "market value" these days, and apparently it
isn't easy to find a sponsor who pays enough.

Shirov v Anand would have the same problem, and if Shirov wins, Shirov v
Kasparov would still have it. For Kasparov v Anand, on the other hand,
it would be easy to find a sponsor in India (but I believe Kasparov
refuses to play there, because of personal security fears).

The situation isn't simple, Kasparov isn't denying Shirov a match, but
Shirov seems to be asking too much.

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Dec 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/30/98
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On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:23:25 GMT, scar...@dds.nl (Remco Gerlich)
wrote:

>Shirov did get a chance, but *he* turned it down because the prize money
>was too low. Matches have a "market value" these days, and apparently it
>isn't easy to find a sponsor who pays enough.
>
>Shirov v Anand would have the same problem,

Shirov v Anand has the problem that Anand has refused to compete for a
non-FIDE title.

Hot2day924

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Dec 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/30/98
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>>Shirov did get a chance, but *he* turned it down because the prize money
>>was too low. Matches have a "market value" these days, and apparently it
>>isn't easy to find a sponsor who pays enough.
>>

As the challenger if Shirov feels he truely can beat Kasparov, he should take
whatever money is offered, beat the champ, then HE can dictate the
terms...let's see him win first and make demands later

Ron Moskovitz

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Dec 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/30/98
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In article <76cuup$52c$1...@info.service.rug.nl>,
Remco Gerlich <scar...@dds.nl> wrote:

>Shirov did get a chance, but *he* turned it down because the prize money
>was too low. Matches have a "market value" these days, and apparently it
>isn't easy to find a sponsor who pays enough.

Uh, this was a report which I believe Shirov denied.

Let's not pass it off as fact just yet.

Besides which, Shirov agreed to play for a certain amout of money; even if
he was then offered less, I'd say he's on reasonably solid footing if he
wants to demand what he originally agreed to.


Remco Gerlich

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Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
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rm...@netcom.com (Ron Moskovitz) wrote:
>In article <76cuup$52c$1...@info.service.rug.nl>,
>Remco Gerlich <scar...@dds.nl> wrote:
>
>>Shirov did get a chance, but *he* turned it down because the prize money
>>was too low. Matches have a "market value" these days, and apparently it
>>isn't easy to find a sponsor who pays enough.
>
> Uh, this was a report which I believe Shirov denied.
>
> Let's not pass it off as fact just yet.
>
Um, ok.

> Besides which, Shirov agreed to play for a certain amout of money; even if
>he was then offered less, I'd say he's on reasonably solid footing if he
>wants to demand what he originally agreed to.
>

Yes, but I don't think Kasparov has a duty to pay that prize money
himself, and if noone else wants to pay it...

I still don't understand why the original Rentero deal didn't work.
Wasn't there a contract?

anti...@spam.demon.co.uk

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Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
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In article <368a44cb...@news1.sympatico.ca>, wrote:

> Shirov v Anand has the problem that Anand has refused to compete for a
> non-FIDE title.

So does that mean he would turn down an offer to go against Kasparov.
Somehow I think not.


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i45.5yul4...@chi.com

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Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
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On Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:02:32 GMT, anti...@spam.demon.co.uk wrote:

>In article <368a44cb...@news1.sympatico.ca>, wrote:
>
>> Shirov v Anand has the problem that Anand has refused to compete for a
>> non-FIDE title.
>
>So does that mean he would turn down an offer to go against Kasparov.
>Somehow I think not.

You are incorrect. He is a man of much integrity.

anti...@spam.demon.co.uk

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Jan 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/1/99
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In article <368c0f7...@news1.sympatico.ca>, wrote:

> You are incorrect. He is a man of much integrity.

If he was such a fellow, why did he play against Kasparov in 1995?

Easy, he wanted two bites of the cherry. Nothing wrong in that. If he
was so concerned about staying in the FIDE ranks he shouldn't have
played against Kasparov.

Ron Moskovitz

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Jan 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/2/99
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In article <VA.000003a5.000af9d4@carl-tillotson>,

<anti...@spam.demon.co.uk > wrote:
>In article <368a44cb...@news1.sympatico.ca>, wrote:
>
>> Shirov v Anand has the problem that Anand has refused to compete for a
>> non-FIDE title.
>
>So does that mean he would turn down an offer to go against Kasparov.
>Somehow I think not.

Well, you may have noticed that he already did, by declining to participate
in the offerd match with Kramnik.

If you read his book, you'll note that he really didn't enjoy the way
his last match with Kasparov was organized. I think that may have left
a sour taste in his mouth which he's not to thrilled about repeating.


i45.5yul4...@chi.com

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Jan 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/2/99
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On Fri, 01 Jan 1999 18:20:32 GMT, anti...@spam.demon.co.uk wrote:

>In article <368c0f7...@news1.sympatico.ca>, wrote:
>
>> You are incorrect. He is a man of much integrity.
>
>If he was such a fellow, why did he play against Kasparov in 1995?

You don't understand. Anand agreed not to compete for a non-fide title
when he participated in the speed chess tournament for the fide title.
That was after 1995.

Mig

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Jan 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/2/99
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Even that most gracious of champion, Max Euwe, couldn't hold in a dram
of bitterness in recapping his loss to Alekhine in the return WC
match. The loser is always going to find problems with the
organization and the incumbent champion is always going to have more
pull and influence with the organizers, just the way of the world.
When both challenger and champion were Soviets most of this acrimony
was swept under the communist carpet, but not anymore.

Anand's recent, and current, disregard for meeting Kaspy in a match
have more to do with his distaste for playing politics and his
financial independence. I believe you could call it taking the high
road. You could also call it taking the path of least resistance. Both
views have their grains of truth, no doubt.

saludos, Mig

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Tonek Jansen

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Jan 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/4/99
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Remco Gerlich (scar...@dds.nl) wrote:
: Shirov did get a chance, but *he* turned it down because the prize money
: was too low. Matches have a "market value" these days, and apparently it
: isn't easy to find a sponsor who pays enough.

As this originates from Kasparov, I was curious to what Shirov had to
say about it. According to the latest New in Chess Shirov did not turn
down the offer, but he and Kasparov could not agree on how to divide the
prize money between winner and loser.

Tonek Jansen

anti...@spam.demon.co.uk

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Jan 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/4/99
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In article <368e87d5...@news1.sympatico.ca>, wrote:
> You don't understand. Anand agreed not to compete for a non-fide title
> when he participated in the speed chess tournament for the fide title.
> That was after 1995.

Surely a man with *true integrity* wouldn't have played Kasparov in the
first place.

One cannot make an argument that "Anand won't play Kasparov for his
title, hence the title is not valid", if the only thing stopping the
player is a "contractual arrangement" he undertook which because of his
'integrity' stops him from doing so.

gunjan...@gmail.com

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Nov 13, 2017, 6:02:39 AM11/13/17
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just stumbled upon this post.. and checked Shirov vs Kasparov score.. not saying that means he wasn't true contender, but just something to note.
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