A funny game between GetClub & Jester.
Sanny
Beginner Level, It lost a winning game. It was ahead of a Rook but
still lost the game See and tell me if you see any mistake by GetClub
Beginner Level.
Today GetClub Game was much improved so you will find very good games
at GetClub Chess.
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Game Played between Jester and beginner at GetClub.com
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Jester: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM15934&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(Jester) -- (beginner)
1. e2-e4{2} d7-d6{0}
2. d2-d4{6} Ng8-f6{0}
3. Nb1-c3{6} g7-g6{0}
4. Bc1-g5{6} c7-c6{10}
5. Bg5-f6{10} e7-f6{8}
6. Bf1-c4{10} b7-b5{6}
7. Bc4-d3{10} b5-b4{8}
8. Nc3-e2{10} Bc8-a6{10}
9. Bd3-a6{10} Nb8-a6{6}
10. Qd1-d3{8} Qd8-a5{6}
11. Qd3-c4{12} Qa5-b5{8}
12. Qc4-b5{10} c6-b5{6}
13. Ng1-f3{10} g6-g5{14}
14. Ke1-g1{12} Ra8-c8{6}
15. Ra1-c1{8} g5-g4{8}
16. Nf3-h4{10} h7-h5{10}
17. Nh4-f5{10} Rh8-g8{10}
18. Ne2-f4{12} Rg8-g5{6}
19. Nf4-d5{10} Rg5-g6{8}
20. f2-f3{12} Rc8-c6{6}
21. f3-g4{10} h5-g4{8}
22. Nf5-h4{10} Rg6-h6{6}
23. g2-g3{10} Rc6-c4{8}
24. Rf1-f4{10} Rc4-d4{8}
25. Nh4-f5{12} Rd4-d2{6}
26. Nf5-h6{12} Bf8-h6{8}
27. Nd5-f6{10} Ke8-d8{8}
28. Rf4-g4{10} Na6-c5{8}
29. Rc1-f1{10} Bh6-e3{8}
30. Kg1-h1{24} Be3-f2{6}
31. Rg4-g8{14} Kd8-c7{6}
32. Nf6-d5{8} Kc7-b7{8}
33. Rg8-f8{8} f7-f6{6}
34. Rf8-f6{10} Nc5-e4{6}
35. Rf6-f7{10} Kb7-a8{6}
36. Nd5-c7{10} Ka8-b7{16}
37. Rf7-e7{10} Kb7-c8{8}
38. Nc7-b5{10} Ne4-g5{8}
39. Nb5-a7{10} Kc8-b8{6}
40. Na7-c6{10} Kb8-c8{6}
41. Nc6-b4{10} Bf2-b6{8}
42. h2-h4{12} Bb6-d8{10}
43. Re7-e8{10} Ng5-h7{12}
44. Re8-h8{12} d6-d5{6}
45. Rh8-h7{10} d5-d4{8}
46. Nb4-c6{10} d4-d3{6}
47. Nc6-d8{10} d3-c2{8}
48. Rf1-c1{10} Rd2-d1{6}
49. Kh1-g2{10} Rd1-c1{10}
50. Nd8-e6{10} Rc1-g1{6}
51. Kg2-g1{12} Qc2-c1{Q}{10}
52. Kg1-g2{12} Qc1-c2{6}
53. Kg2-g1{10} Qc2-h7{6}
54. Kg1-f2{10} Qh7-c2{8}
55. Kf2-e3{10} Qc2-b2{6}
56. Ke3-f3{10} Qb2-b7{6}
57. Kf3-f4{12} Qb7-f7{12}
58. Kf4-e5{22} Qf7-f3{10}
59. Ne6-f4{10} Qf3-g3{12}
60. h4-h5{8} Qg3-g5{6}
61. Ke5-e4{10} Qg5-c5{12}
62. Ke4-f3{10} Qc5-g5{6}
63. Kf3-e4{10} Qg5-c5{16}
64. Ke4-f3{10} Qc5-c6{8}
65. Kf3-g4{10} Kc8-b8{6}
66. Kg4-g5{10} Qc6-c5{10}
67. Kg5-g4{10} Qc5-c8{6}
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Jester: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM15934&game=Chess
So what do you think about this game was it won because of Jester
Mistake or it was won because of good moves by GetClub Beginner Level.
Do you find the moves much stronger than earlier or you still find
mistakes in the game of GetClub Beginner Level.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Sanny
survive? Its pawn gets killed and it cvould do nothing.
Game Played between Jester and beginner at GetClub.com
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Jester: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM16069&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(Jester) -- (beginner)
1. e2-e4{2} c7-c6{0}
2. d2-d4{4} d7-d5{0}
3. e4-e5{4} Bc8-f5{0}
4. Nb1-c3{6} e7-e6{0}
5. g2-g4{6} Bf5-e4{6}
6. Nc3-e4{10} d5-e4{12}
7. c2-c3{10} Nb8-d7{6}
8. Bf1-g2{10} f7-f6{18}
9. Qd1-b3{10} f6-e5{6}
10. Qb3-b7{10} Qd8-c8{10}
11. Qb7-c8{10} Ra8-c8{12}
12. Ng1-e2{8} e5-d4{10}
13. Ne2-d4{8} Nd7-c5{6}
14. Ke1-g1{10} a7-a5{10}
15. h2-h3{10} e6-e5{8}
16. Nd4-b3{12} Ng8-f6{8}
17. Nb3-a5{10} Bf8-e7{10}
18. Na5-c4{10} Ke8-g8{22}
19. Bc1-g5{12} h7-h6{8}
20. Bg5-h4{10} g7-g5{22}
21. Bh4-g3{10} Nf6-d5{12}
22. Bg3-e5{10} Rf8-f7{22}
23. b2-b4{10} Nc5-a4{12}
24. Ra1-c1{12} Nd5-f4{10}
25. Be5-f4{10} Rf7-f4{12}
26. Nc4-d2{10} Na4-b6{6}
27. Nd2-e4{10} Nb6-d5{14}
28. a2-a4{118} Kg8-h8{22}
29. Ne4-g3{12} Rf4-f6{6}
30. Ng3-f5{16} Be7-d6{10}
31. Nf5-d6{10} Rf6-d6{16}
32. Rf1-d1{12} Rc8-d8{6}
33. a4-a5{10} Nd5-f4{12}
34. Rd1-d6{10} Rd8-d6{8}
35. Kg1-h2{10} Rd6-f6{6}
36. a5-a6{10} Kh8-h7{22}
37. Rc1-e1{10} Nf4-d5{22}
38. a6-a7{16} Rf6-f8{10}
39. b4-b5{10} Kh7-g7{6}
40. b5-c6{10} Nd5-f4{12}
41. Re1-b1{10} Kg7-g8{12}
42. Rb1-b8{10} Kg8-g7{16}
43. Rb8-f8{10} h6-h5{22}
44. Rf8-d8{10} Nf4-g2{22}
45. Kh2-g2{8} Kg7-h6{22}
46. Qa7-a8{Q}{10} Kh6-g6{8}
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Jester: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM16069&game=Chess
Was there a way to save those pawns which got killed one after the
another?
yearlypap08
Snopes = False.
The games don't work out,Sanny. This is a java-based program and
depends on the computer's speed for strength of play. My computer does
not follow the poor moves suggest by Jester after it reaches an
advantage in the early transition. Try a faster computer.
This is what Jester/Beginner plays on check-up:
1. e2-e4{2} d7-d6{0}
2. d2-d4{6} Ng8-f6{0}
3. Nb1-c3{6} g7-g6{0}
4. Bc1-g5{6} c7-c6{10}
5. Bg5-f6{10} e7-f6{8}
6. Bf1-c4{10} b7-b5{6}
7. Bc4-d3{10} b5-b4{8}
8. Nc3-e2{10} Bc8-a6{10}
9. Bd3-a6{10} Nb8-a6{6}
10. Qd1-d3{8} Qd8-a5{6}
Here, Jester plays:
11. Ng1-f3 eval(+1.30)
Why would Jester move the queen again, as shown in your games, and not
develop for advantage? It wouldn't.
Here, Jester plays to take the pawn, and an easy coast to victory:
19.Nc4xe5 (eval +2.33)
I don't understand how this easy pawn grab is ignored by the your
computer, unless it is a very slow one.
It's easy for anyone to check up on these games. You just flip the
board and play as "Beginner" at the LudoChess.com Jester website.
--
yearlypap08
Martin Brown
> I used to think Jester plays very good, But today in a game with
> Beginner Level, It lost a winning game. It was ahead of a Rook but
> still lost the game See and tell me if you see any mistake byGetClub
> Beginner Level.
>
> atGetClubChess.
>
> PlayChessat:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Game Played between Jester and beginner atGetClub.com
>
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> Jester: (White)
> beginner: (Black)
> Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM15934&game=Chess
>
> White -- Black
> (Jester) -- (beginner)
>
> 1. e2-e4{2} d7-d6{0}
> 2. d2-d4{6} Ng8-f6{0}
> 3. Nb1-c3{6} g7-g6{0}
> 4. Bc1-g5{6} c7-c6{10}
> 5. Bg5-f6{10} e7-f6{8}
> 6. Bf1-c4{10} b7-b5{6}
> 7. Bc4-d3{10} b5-b4{8}
> 8. Nc3-e2{10} Bc8-a6{10}
> 9. Bd3-a6{10} Nb8-a6{6}
> 10. Qd1-d3{8} Qd8-a5{6}
> 11. Qd3-c4{12} Qa5-b5{8}
> 12. Qc4-b5{10} c6-b5{6}
> 13. Ng1-f3{10} g6-g5{14}
> 14. Ke1-g1{12} Ra8-c8{6}
> 15. Ra1-c1{8} g5-g4{8}
> 16. Nf3-h4{10} h7-h5{10}
> 17. Nh4-f5{10} Rh8-g8{10}
Jester made a mistake here. Kd7 would be OK
> 24. Rf1-f4{10} Rc4-d4{8}
Rf4 is a mistake. Lets black off the hook about 20th of 32 moves.
Nxf6+ or Ne3 Rfd1 b3 are all much much better.
> 32. Nf6-d5{8} Kc7-b7{8}
Looks to me like a spite check.
32. h5 is best. Needs a pawn can run detection.
(ie the enemy king cannot get to it in time and the enemy pieces will
struggle in the attempt)
> 37. Rf7-e7{10} Kb7-c8{8}
Kc8 is fatal now. More pawns fall.
> So what do you think about this game was it won because of Jester
> Mistake or it was won because of good moves byGetClubBeginner Level.
Jesters mistake. Also it took way too many moves to finish Jester off.
Regards,
Martin Brown
Martin Brown
> Here is another game., Was there any way for the Beginner Level to
> survive? Its pawn gets killed and it cvould do nothing.
It had a choice where to put the Bishop. It chose unwsely because it
lookahead was insufficient to see that the pawn used for recapture
will inevitably die.
> White -- Black
> (Jester) -- (beginner)
>
> 1. e2-e4{2} c7-c6{0}
> 2. d2-d4{4} d7-d5{0}
> 3. e4-e5{4} Bc8-f5{0}
> 4. Nb1-c3{6} e7-e6{0}
> 5. g2-g4{6} Bf5-e4{6}
5. .... Bg6 would be perfectly playable.
> 6. Nc3-e4{10} d5-e4{12}
Downhill all the way from here. White can pick this pawn off at his
leisure.
Regards,
Martin Brown
Sanny
wrote:
> Snopes = False.
>
> The games don't work out,Sanny. This is a java-based program and
> depends on the computer's speed for strength of play. My computer does
> not follow the poor moves suggest by Jester after it reaches an
> advantage in the early transition. Try a faster computer.
>
> This is what Jester/Beginner plays on check-up:
>
> 1. e2-e4{2} d7-d6{0}
> 2. d2-d4{6} Ng8-f6{0}
> 3. Nb1-c3{6} g7-g6{0}
> 4. Bc1-g5{6} c7-c6{10}
> 5. Bg5-f6{10} e7-f6{8}
> 6. Bf1-c4{10} b7-b5{6}
> 7. Bc4-d3{10} b5-b4{8}
> 8. Nc3-e2{10} Bc8-a6{10}
> 9. Bd3-a6{10} Nb8-a6{6}
> 10. Qd1-d3{8} Qd8-a5{6}
>
> Here, Jester plays:
> 11. Ng1-f3 eval(+1.30)
>
> Why would Jester move the queen again, as shown in your games, and not
> develop for advantage? It wouldn't.
>
> Jester: (White)
> beginner: (Black)
> Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM16069&game=Chess
Yes my Computer is 5 years old and atleast 3-4 times slower than
modern computers, That may be the reasion of such poor play.
When this game was played GetClub was much weaker than now. So now you
will see much better Games at GetClub.
Sanny
Why I found Blacks Pwans was getting Killed Still giving Rook for
Bishop looks bad.
31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move Black should Save its
Rook.}
Was Black loosing Two pawns That it has to give away its rook for
Bishop?
Game Played between bonsai and normal at GetClub.com
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bonsai: (White)
normal: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM16276&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(bonsai) -- (normal)
1. d2-d4{2} Ng8-f6{0}
2. c2-c4{2} c7-c5{0}
3. d4-d5{2} b7-b5{0}
4. Ng1-f3{2} g7-g6{0}
5. Nf3-d2{4} b5-b4{102}
6. a2-a3{36} a7-a5{104}
7. a3-b4{72} c5-b4{100}
8. e2-e4{18} e7-e5{120}
9. Bf1-d3{26} d7-d6{92}
10. Nd2-b3{20} h7-h5{150}
11. Bc1-e3{24} Nf6-g4{130}
12. Be3-d2{26} Bc8-b7{100}
13. f2-f3{58} Ng4-f6{136}
14. Bd2-g5{20} Bf8-e7{190}
15. Bg5-e3{10} Nb8-d7{188}
16. Ke1-g1{22} h5-h4{116}
17. Qd1-e2{116} a5-a4{108}
18. Nb3-c1{10} Nd7-c5{124}
19. Nb1-d2{76} h4-h3{118}
20. g2-g4{30} Ra8-a5{108}
21. Be3-c5{64} d6-c5{182}
22. Bd3-c2{20} b4-b3{94}
23. Bc2-d1{24} Ra5-a6{126}
24. Nc1-d3{60} Be7-d6{158}
25. Nd2-b1{28} Nf6-d7{142}
26. Nb1-c3{12} Nd7-b6{84}
27. Qe2-f2{66} Qd8-h4{164}
28. Nc3-b5{44} Nb6-c4{130}
29. Nb5-d6{40} Nc4-d6{86}
30. Qf2-h4{44} Rh8-h4{176}
31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move It should Save its
Rook.}
32. Nc5-a6{32} Bb7-a6{134}
33. Rf1-e1{4} Ba6-b5{90}
34. Bd1-e2{12} Bb5-e8{92}
35. Kg1-f2{20} g6-g5{104}
36. Kf2-g3{18} Nd6-b5{122}
37. Ra1-a4{48} Nb5-d4{90}
38. Ra4-a7{22} f7-f6{106}
39. Be2-c4{48} Be8-b5{100}
40. Bc4-b5{16} Nd4-b5{96}
41. Ra7-b7{6} Nb5-d6{86}
42. Rb7-b3{18} Nd6-e8{112}
43. Re1-a1{22} Rh4-h7{106}
44. Rb3-b8{26} Rh7-e7{186}
45. Ra1-a8{14} Kf8-f7{110}
46. Rb8-e8{10} Re7-e8{178}
47. Ra8-e8{28} Kf7-e8{104}
48. Kg3-h3{4} Ke8-d8{108}
49. Kh3-g3{30} Kd8-c7{94}
50. h2-h4{78} Kc7-b8{130}
51. h4-h5{10} f6-f5{86}
52. h5-h6{8} f5-e4{210}
53. f3-e4{16} Kb8-b7{130}
54. h6-h7{4} Kb7-a6{126}
55. Qh7-h8{Q}{8} Ka6-b5{156}
56. Qh8-c8{24} Kb5-b4{86}
57. d5-d6{10} Kb4-b3{140}
58. d6-d7{6} Kb3-c2{82}
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bonsai: (White)
normal: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM16276&game=Chess
31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move Black should Save its
Rook.} Was it a Forced Move or it was a mistake by Normal Level? Was
Black loosing the two pawns.
But still I find as the game proceed Black looses its pawns.
What do you think Black should have done to save its Pawns, I don't
Think giving Rook was a good move. But it was Normal Level who knows?
Chess One
"Sanny" <soft...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5f2cc6a5-9b10-4bb8...@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> Normal plays very good moves still it gave away its rook for Bishop.
> Why I found Blacks Pwans was getting Killed Still giving Rook for
> Bishop looks bad.
>
> 31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move Black should Save its
> Rook.}
>
> Was Black loosing Two pawns That it has to give away its rook for
> Bishop?
>
> Game Played between bonsai and normal at GetClub.com
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> bonsai: (White)
> normal: (Black)
> Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> View Recorded Game:
> http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM16276&game=Chess
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> White -- Black
> (bonsai) -- (normal)
>
> 1. d2-d4{2} Ng8-f6{0}
> 2. c2-c4{2} c7-c5{0}
> 3. d4-d5{2} b7-b5{0}
> 4. Ng1-f3{2} g7-g6{0}
> 5. Nf3-d2{4} b5-b4{102}
first move out of the Benko book, and black goes wrong.
i assume 'nomal' level is here measured in seconds - or about 2 minutes a
move.
> 6. a2-a3{36} a7-a5{104}
> 7. a3-b4{72} c5-b4{100}
> 8. e2-e4{18} e7-e5{120}
> 9. Bf1-d3{26} d7-d6{92}
> 10. Nd2-b3{20} h7-h5{150}
then another 5 consecutive pawn moves, making 9 out of 10
> 11. Bc1-e3{24} Nf6-g4{130}
> 12. Be3-d2{26} Bc8-b7{100}
> 13. f2-f3{58} Ng4-f6{136}
> 14. Bd2-g5{20} Bf8-e7{190}
> 15. Bg5-e3{10}
well, white needs to develop his team, not dance around with the B - and
besides, he can eliminate the K-side defender with BxN, or even allow the
minor exchange at move 12
> Nb8-d7{188}
> 16. Ke1-g1{22} h5-h4{116}
> 17. Qd1-e2{116} a5-a4{108}
> 18. Nb3-c1{10} Nd7-c5{124}
> 19. Nb1-d2{76} h4-h3{118}
bit hard to follow this in my head, with long-algebraic, but what is
indicated for white is a kingside attack, pawns an pieces
> 20. g2-g4{30} Ra8-a5{108}
> 21. Be3-c5{64} d6-c5{182}
> 22. Bd3-c2{20} b4-b3{94}
> 23. Bc2-d1{24} Ra5-a6{126}
> 24. Nc1-d3{60} Be7-d6{158}
> 25. Nd2-b1{28} Nf6-d7{142}
> 26. Nb1-c3
white does nor grasp the need to get after black's k side and spends 6 moves
going sideways to no advantage. 6 moves = 2 pawns!
>{12} Nd7-b6{84}
> 27. Qe2-f2{66} Qd8-h4{164}
> 28. Nc3-b5{44} Nb6-c4{130}
> 29. Nb5-d6{40} Nc4-d6{86}
> 30. Qf2-h4{44} Rh8-h4{176}
> 31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move It should Save its
> Rook.}
I don't know, I can't follow this annotation very well, and don't like move
notations that don't indicate captures. to answer the questions below, black
saves its paws by not moving them unnecessarily in the opening. its merely
long-term procedure to overextend them, and unless black gains other
benefits from pawn moves, the game was over at 10, not 58
Phil Innes
Bjoern
>>1. d2-d4{2} Ng8-f6{0}
>>2. c2-c4{2} c7-c5{0}
>>3. d4-d5{2} b7-b5{0}
>>4. Ng1-f3{2} g7-g6{0}
>>5. Nf3-d2{4} b5-b4{102}
>
>
> first move out of the Benko book, and black goes wrong.
I fully agree, b5-b4 is just wrong. But in fact already 4...g6 is
suboptimal.
>>6. a2-a3{36} a7-a5{104}
>>7. a3-b4{72} c5-b4{100}
>>8. e2-e4{18} e7-e5{120}
>>9. Bf1-d3{26} d7-d6{92}
>>10. Nd2-b3{20} h7-h5{150}
I thought the moves e5 and h5 looked quite weird.
>>11. Bc1-e3{24} Nf6-g4{130}
>>12. Be3-d2{26} Bc8-b7{100}
>>13. f2-f3{58} Ng4-f6{136}
>>14. Bd2-g5{20} Bf8-e7{190}
>>15. Bg5-e3{10}
>>Nb8-d7{188}
>>16. Ke1-g1{22} h5-h4{116}
>>17. Qd1-e2{116} a5-a4{108}
>>18. Nb3-c1{10} Nd7-c5{124}
>>19. Nb1-d2{76} h4-h3{118}
>
>
> bit hard to follow this in my head, with long-algebraic, but what is
> indicated for white is a kingside attack, pawns an pieces
Well, black is not that badly placed, because white's pieces are a bit
tangled up. Black needs to find something to do though, while white
clearly can try to untangle as in the game and is then starting to do
well. I didn't think white was quite ready to open up the game due to
the messy position of the white pieces. Of course one can also usually
rely on this program to dig its own grave if one lets it move about for
long enough in closed positions.
>>20. g2-g4{30} Ra8-a5{108}
>>21. Be3-c5{64} d6-c5{182}
>>22. Bd3-c2{20} b4-b3{94}
>>23. Bc2-d1{24} Ra5-a6{126}
>>24. Nc1-d3{60} Be7-d6{158}
>>25. Nd2-b1{28} Nf6-d7{142}
>>26. Nb1-c3
>
>
> white does nor grasp the need to get after black's k side and spends 6 moves
> going sideways to no advantage. 6 moves = 2 pawns!
Actually, when I was playing the moves I thought that it's here that I
started to have a clear advantage on the queenside. In contrast the next
moves by black, namely knight to b6 and then takes c4 and in particular
that queen sortie are completely misguided.
>>{12} Nd7-b6{84}
>>27. Qe2-f2{66} Qd8-h4{164}
>>28. Nc3-b5{44} Nb6-c4{130}
>>29. Nb5-d6{40} Nc4-d6{86}
>>30. Qf2-h4{44} Rh8-h4{176}
There's no point even discussing any further, this is a point where
black is already completely lost, whether it crazily gives up the
exchange in a moment or not.
>>31. Nd3-c5{8} Ke8-f8{114} {Is This Wrong Move It should Save its
>>Rook.}
Of course this move is completely weird and idiotic, but the game is
lost already.
Chess One
"Bjoern" <bjo...@swissonline.ch> wrote in message
news:6e15a$47b0b8c5$d9a2764b$89...@news.hispeed.ch...
> Chess One wrote:
> >>1. d2-d4{2} Ng8-f6{0}
> >>2. c2-c4{2} c7-c5{0}
> >>3. d4-d5{2} b7-b5{0}
> >>4. Ng1-f3{2} g7-g6{0}
> >>5. Nf3-d2{4} b5-b4{102}
> >
> >
> > first move out of the Benko book, and black goes wrong.
>
> I fully agree, b5-b4 is just wrong. But in fact already 4...g6 is
> suboptimal.
yes white should attack this structure with something like Bg5 and h4 for
h5 - with fixed central pawns locked white can play as if a piece ahead.
ay
>>>20. g2-g4{30} Ra8-a5{108}
>>>21. Be3-c5{64} d6-c5{182}
>>>22. Bd3-c2{20} b4-b3{94}
>>>23. Bc2-d1{24} Ra5-a6{126}
>>>24. Nc1-d3{60} Be7-d6{158}
>>>25. Nd2-b1{28} Nf6-d7{142}
>>>26. Nb1-c3
>>
>>
>> white does nor grasp the need to get after black's k side and spends 6
>> moves going sideways to no advantage. 6 moves = 2 pawns!
>
> Actually, when I was playing the moves I thought that it's here that I
> started to have a clear advantage on the queenside. In contrast the next
> moves by black, namely knight to b6 and then takes c4 and in particular
> that queen sortie are completely misguided.
it the chess engine is just point-counting, the engine has no positional
sense at all.
>>>{12} Nd7-b6{84}
>>>27. Qe2-f2{66} Qd8-h4{164}
>>>28. Nc3-b5{44} Nb6-c4{130}
>>>29. Nb5-d6{40} Nc4-d6{86}
>>>30. Qf2-h4{44} Rh8-h4{176}
>
> There's no point even discussing any further, this is a point where black
> is already completely lost, whether it crazily gives up the exchange in a
> moment or not.
yes
phil
yearlypap08
>
>
> Yes my Computer is 5 years old and atleast 3-4 times slower than
> modern computers, That may be the reasion of such poor play.
>
> When this game was played GetClub was much weaker than now. So now you
> will see much better Games at GetClub.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Jester is also a lot stronger now than then, but that's OK. Thanks for
the reply.
Good luck on your website!
--
yearlypap08
help bot
Sanny wrote:
> I used to think Jester plays very good, But today in a game with
> Beginner Level, It lost a winning game.
Um, no, it did not. It's pretty obvious that "somebody"
intervened to stop the game when it became apparent
that the GetClub program was making zero headway.
That "somebody" seems to have unjustly forfeited the
Jester program, when it was doing just fine on the board
(see link below).
> View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM15934&game=Chess
>
> So what do you think about this game was it won because of Jester
> Mistake or it was won because of good moves by GetClub Beginner Level.
Neither one; the game was not completed, so
we will never know what the result would have
been had it been played out in accordance with
the rules of chess, and not halted prematurely.
> Do you find the moves much stronger than earlier or you still find
> mistakes in the game of GetClub Beginner Level.
In this game, Jester was winning but it tried to
win the Bishop on d8 and in the process, it let a
passed pawn get too far. (The Bishop could have
easily been won by pinning it with a Rook instead
of chasing it with the Knight, which was rather
busy defending a key pawn.)
In the final stage, the GetClub program seemed
unable to manage anything more than -- at best --
a perpetual check. In fact, there was still a chance
that Jester could have advanced its passed pawn
up the board and ultimately promoted it, then gone
on to *win* the game. Believe it or not, I've seen
that sort of thing done to 2100 players, so it's not
a stretch here.
The same old problem reared its ugly head once
more: the GetClub program refuses to activate its
King-- ever. A lone Queen cannot administer
checkmate except in unusual circumstances, so
by keeping its King "safe", the Beginner level in
effect throws away its material advantage in the
endgame. This is a *huge* weakness, even if the
opponent must somehow survive to an endgame
for it to manifest itself.
Here is an oversimplified solution: if the material
remaining on the board adds up to less than X
number of points, switch from a King-safety bonus
to a small penalty. Better yet, always give a
bonus in the scoring for *mobility*, including the
King, but offset this in the early part of the game.
In other words, in the endgame, a King which is
in a corner can only "attack" three squares, so
this will be penalized in comparison to a King in
the center of the board, which "attacks" eight
squares. I don't have a /simple/ solution to the
problem of when is it good versus when is it bad
to activate the King; that's a judgment call,
requiring enormous skill-- which is why I keep
winning and GC keeps losing. ;>D
-- help bot
Sanny
>
> i assume 'nomal' level is here measured in seconds - or about 2 minutes a
> move.
>
> > 6. a2-a3{36} a7-a5{104}
> > 7. a3-b4{72} c5-b4{100}
> > 8. e2-e4{18} e7-e5{120}
> > 9. Bf1-d3{26} d7-d6{92}
> > 10. Nd2-b3{20} h7-h5{150}
>
> then another 5 consecutive pawn moves, making 9 out of 10
Yes, I found that there was something wrong with positional analysis
and it was playing pawns.unnecesarily. Now the Problem has been
corrected.
Can you tell me something about what are the good squares for White
Bishop and White Knights? And how much penalty should be given to a
King when it is moved without Chastling.
Sanny
> Sanny wrote:
> > I used to think Jester plays very good, But today in a game with
> > Beginner Level, It lost a winning game.
>
> Um, no, it did not. It's pretty obvious that "somebody"
> intervened to stop the game when it became apparent
>
> That "somebody" seems to have unjustly forfeited the
> Jester program, when it was doing just fine on the board
> (see link below).
>
> > View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM15934&game=Chess
>
> > So what do you think about this game was it won because of Jester
>
> Neither one; the game was not completed, so
> we will never know what the result would have
> been had it been played out in accordance with
> the rules ofchess, and not halted prematurely.
>
I do not complete the game as Much of it was over and It would have
taken 30-40 moves for GetClub to win. As it know nothing in end game.
The reasion it plays bad in End Game is That In end game you are not
getting any advantage of killing pieces So all moves are equal unless
it sees a Mate move.
But that wont stop me from developing end game. Butr let me first make
the Middle Game Perfect. Once it becomes perfect in Middle Game I
think End Game can be taught later. Most Often if the opponent is
loosing a game It will atleast save its pieces and force the opponent
to Resign.
After playing 10-20 Moves Opponent will understand It cannot win and
will Resign. Incase it has equal Material the Game will draw by Three
fold repetition.
Sanny
badly was there a way to save its pawns?
Game Played between sanjay11 and beginner at GetClub.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jester: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM16357&game=Chess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
White -- Black
(Jester) -- (beginner)
1. e2-e4{4} e7-e6{0}
2. d2-d4{6} d7-d5{0}
3. e4-d5{6} e6-d5{0}
4. Bf1-d3{6} Ng8-f6{0}
5. Bc1-g5{12} Nb8-c6{8}
6. Qd1-e2{14} Bc8-e6{6}
7. Bd3-b5{18} Bf8-b4{10}
8. c2-c3{10} Bb4-d6{8}
9. Bb5-c6{10} b7-c6{6}
10. Qe2-a6{12} Qd8-c8{6}
11. Qa6-c8{24} Ra8-c8{6}
12. Bg5-f6{14} g7-f6{8}
13. Ng1-f3{10} c6-c5{8}
14. Nb1-d2{12} Rh8-g8{8}
15. g2-g3{16} Rg8-g6{8}
16. Ke1-c1{12} c5-c4{10}
17. Nf3-h4{10} Rg6-g7{8}
18. Rh1-e1{14} Bd6-e7{6}
19. f2-f4{10} f6-f5{6}
20. Nh4-f3{12} c7-c5{6}
21. Nd2-f1{14} Be7-f6{6}
22. Nf1-e3{12} Ke8-f8{6}
23. Kc1-c2{10} h7-h6{8}
24. Rd1-d2{10} Rg7-g6{8}
25. d4-c5{10} Rc8-c5{6}
26. Re1-d1{10} Rc5-b5{6}
27. Ne3-d5{12} Bf6-g7{8}
28. Nf3-h4{12} Rg6-g4{8}
29. Nd5-e3{12} Bg7-f6{6}
30. Ne3-g4{16} f5-g4{10}
31. Nh4-g2{10} Rb5-h5{8}
32. Ng2-e3{12} Rh5-b5{6}
33. Rd2-d6{12} Bf6-e7{6}
34. Rd6-a6{10} Rb5-h5{12}
35. Rd1-d2{14} Be7-c5{6}
36. Ra6-a5{12} Kf8-g7{10}
37. Kc2-d1{12} Kg7-h7{8}
38. Ne3-c4{10} Kh7-h8{8}
39. Nc4-e3{10} Be6-a2{8}
40. b2-b4{10} Ba2-b3{8}
41. Ne3-c2{12} f7-f6{6}
42. b4-c5{14} Bb3-g8{6}
43. Nc2-e3{14} f6-f5{8}
44. c5-c6{12} Rh5-h3{14}
45. Rd2-d8{38} Rh3-h2{10}
46. Kd1-e1{10} a7-a6{6}
47. c6-c7{10} Rh2-h1{8}
48. Ne3-f1{10} Kh8-g7{6}
49. Qc7-c8{Q}{12} Bg8-f7{6}
50. Qc8-f5{12} Bf7-c4{8}
51. Rd8-d7{8} Kg7-g8{6}
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jester : (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM16357&game=Chess
Here again Beginner lost badly was there a way to save its pawns? It
has to sac its rook for no reasion else its two pawns would get
killed. So it lost badly.
I think it played the opening badly, What do you say which were the
worst moves by GetClub Chess.
Chess One
>> first move out of the Benko book, and black goes wrong.
>>
>> i assume 'nomal' level is here measured in seconds - or about 2 minutes a
>> move.
>>
>> > 6. a2-a3{36} a7-a5{104}
>> > 7. a3-b4{72} c5-b4{100}
>> > 8. e2-e4{18} e7-e5{120}
>> > 9. Bf1-d3{26} d7-d6{92}
>> > 10. Nd2-b3{20} h7-h5{150}
>>
>> then another 5 consecutive pawn moves, making 9 out of 10
>
> Yes, I found that there was something wrong with positional analysis
> and it was playing pawns.unnecesarily. Now the Problem has been
> corrected.
Of course it has.
> Can you tell me something about what are the good squares for White
> Bishop and White Knights?
Yes. It depends on 2 things; the position of your pawns, and also the
position of the other player's pawns.
For instance - for black, remove the Benko from your opening book, [take out
the b5 move], and stick to a Modern Benoni, see also Czech Benoni, and Old
Benoni.
The Benko is a gambit which offers to give up a pawn for strategic pressure
against the White Q side - because your program can't see any further than
the NY Times Blog page, then you too should avoid strategic ventures for a
moment's actions.
> And how much penalty should be given to a
> King when it is moved without Chastling.
It should be put into a cage with Messers Lafferty and Sloan for 20
minutes - then the boy'll learn to chastle early! and chastle right!
You might also think of penalising it for every move it stays in the centre
after move 10 - look what happened to them!
But most of all you should leave here for 6 months and talk to the people in
chess.computer and learn about their evaluation rubrics [also for free].
If you leave you King in the centre, the whole game becomes about you and
your king [like "ego", no?] And its not paranoia - All the other player's
pieces are //really// out to get you while you are stuck in the center. The
only problem with this practice is that while it suits meglomaniacs, it
almost always loses ;(
A sad story, but true.
Cordially, Phil Innes
help bot
> > Neither one; the game was not completed, so
> > we will never know what the result would have
> > been had it been played out in accordance with
> > the rules ofchess, and not halted prematurely.
>
> I do not complete the game as Much of it was over and It would have
> taken 30-40 moves for GetClub to win.
I disagree; the program was obviously playing
meaningless spite checks, which could very
easily have led to a draw, or in some cases
where it may attempt to avoid a repetition, to
the opponent advancing its pawn to become a
Queen (and possibly even win).
There is no reason to assume it was going to
inevitably win. You can /say/ that GC won the
game, but it did not; a game is "won" via
checkmate, or the resignation of the other
program-- neither of which occurred.
> As it know nothing in end game.
See? All those mean critics who kept saying
that Sanny knows nothing about chess are
hereby proved wrong! He knows enough to
recognize that his program knows nothing in
the endgame-- the very same assessment a
grandmaster would have made. ;>D
> The reasion it plays bad in End Game is That In end game you are not
> getting any advantage of killing pieces So all moves are equal unless
> it sees a Mate move.
Mobility: this is the key. The mobility of the
chess men must be scored, so that that of
the enemy is minimized, and that of the GC
program is maximized. This can often lead
to checkmate.
> But that wont stop me from developing end game. Butr let me first make
> the Middle Game Perfect. Once it becomes perfect in Middle Game I
> think End Game can be taught later.
If you can get the openings perfect and the
middle game perfect, you may not /need/ an
endgame anymore! It's like dropping a nuke
and then sending in the National Guard to
"mop up". (Just hand out some purple
rain-suits and tell them that wearing them
will protect them from the radiation.)
> Most Often if the opponent is
> loosing a game It will atleast save its pieces and force the opponent
> to Resign.
Some players are no doubt "resigning"
only because there is no other way to stop
the game and begin another one; this is a
flaw in the interface-- there is no way to
stop a drawn game (such as K & N vs. K)
apart from resigning. Although such games
are scored at GetClub as "wins" for the
computer, they are in fact drawn according
to the laws of chess.
-- help bot
Sanny
> only because there is no other way to stop
> the game and begin another one; this is a
> flaw in the interface-- there is no way to
> stop a drawn game (such as K & N vs. K)
> apart from resigning. Although such games
> computer, they are in fact drawn according
> to the laws ofchess.
>
In case of (such as K & N vs. K) Program will automatically give Draw.
Here are the cases where the Game will automatically end in draw.
1. K vs K
2. K-N vs K
3. K-B vs K
4. K-B vs K-N
5. K-N vs K-B
6. K-R vs K-N
7. K-R vs K-B
8. K-Q vs K-R
In all above end games the game will endup as a draw.
help bot
That is all mucked up.
In cases where it is K-R vs. K-N, some positions
allow the Knight to be "cornered", then captured;
for this to happen, the King and Knight must be
separated from one another-- preferably in
opposite corners.
In some cases of K-R vs. K-B, if the weaker
side's King is against the side, it may be
possible to force a win (using /zugzwang/).
In any case, the laws of chess allow for an
attempt to be made-- up to the fifty moves.
And of course, in K-Q vs. K-R, it is always
a forced win if the side with a Queen is not
already in a mess. Once again, it is not
possible to demonstrate an "attacking"
strategy which forces the win; to the contrary,
the win can be accomplished using a
combination of attacks, plus /zugzwang/.
Also note that only the K vs. K, K-N vs. K,
K-B vs. K, and K-B vs. K- same color B are
drawn automatically (insufficient mating
material), according to the laws of chess.
Let me just say that before everyone jumps
on Sanny for not knowing this stuff, I once
played a USCF-rated Expert who offered me
a draw after the game was already over! I
believe it was K-N vs. K, or something like
that. LOL
-- help bot
Sanny
the game you won with Master. Actually I can see a few wrong moves by
that bug. But now I think you will not get those weak moves atleast
with Higher Levels.
help bot
> Today 2 big bugs were removed So It will play much better game, I saw
> the game you won with Master. Actually I can see a few wrong moves by
> that bug. But now I think you will not get those weak moves atleast
> with Higher Levels.
Actually, I had several bugs of my own
which are now eliminated, so I too will
play "perfect" chess; all our games from
this point forward should be perfect draws,
the result of our perfect play, after exactly
256 moves apiece. You no doubt already
know the line I am talking about, since it
is the only one where Black holds a draw.
I may go back and start playing bad
moves again, just to make it interesting;
but those are merely bugs-- quite easily
eradicated with a can of Raid.
-- buggy bot
Sanny
So now both you and GetClub will play better moves, I will enjoy such
games.
yearlypap08
Sanny;259010 Wrote:
> On Feb 14, 10:20*am, help bot nomorech...@hotmail.com wrote:-> -
> Today 2 big bugs were removed So It will play much better game, I
> saw
> the game you won with Master. Actually I can see a few wrong moves
> by
> that bug. But now I think you will not get those weak moves atleast
>
> * Actually, I had several bugs of my own
> which are now eliminated, so I too will
> play "perfect"chess; all our games from
> this point forward should be perfect draws,
> the result of our perfect play, after exactly
> know the line I am talking about, since it
> is the only one where Black holds a draw.
>
> moves again, just to make it interesting;
> but those are merely bugs-- quite easily
> eradicated with a can of Raid.
>
>
> So now both you and GetClub will play better moves, I will enjoy such
> games.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Sanny,
Maybe Jester isn't the best program for GetClub testing. I just tested
it
myself to see how well it reacts in the opening, and I should have lost
with an unsound sac, but it seemed to give up, or lose composure with
an exposed king.
yearlypap08 white / JESTER black
1:19sec / 0:49sec
JESTER 1.10e by Stephane NGUYEN
(registered for http://www.Ludochess.com)
1.e2-e4 d7-d6
2.d2-d4 Ng8-f6
3.e4-e5 d6xe5
4.Bf1-c4 e5xd4
5.Bc4xf7+ Ke8xf7
6.Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6
7.Ke1-g1 Qd8-d5
8.Rf1-e1 e7-e5
9.Bc1-g5 e5-e4
10.Bg5xf6 e4xf3
11.Nb1-c3 Qd5-c4
12.Qd1xf3 g7xf6
13.Nc3-e4 Bf8-e7
14.Ne4-g5+ Kf7-g8
15.Re1xe7 Nc6xe7
16.Qf3xf6 Ne7-f5
17.Ra1-e1 Nf5-e3
18.f2xe3 Qc4-c5
19.Qf6-f7+
So a lot of goofy-footed moves here.
Jester just doesn't seem like a reliable sparring partner to tweak
GetClub.
Maybe try http://www.shredderchess.com/play-chess-online.html if you do
more testing.
Shredderchess has three depth levels set for beginner play.
And maybe this one is better for the higher levels?
http://chessok.com/?page_id=76
--
yearlypap08
Sanny
wrote:
> Sanny;259010 Wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 14, 10:20*am, help bot nomorech...@hotmail.com wrote:-
> > On Feb 13, 8:05 am, Sanny softta...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > -
> > Today 2 big bugs were removed So It will play much better game, I
> > saw
> > the game you won with Master. Actually I can see a few wrong moves
> > by
> > that bug. But now I think you will not get those weak moves atleast
> > with Higher Levels.-
>
> > * Actually, I had several bugs of my own
> > which are now eliminated, so I too will
> > play "perfect"chess; all our games from
> > this point forward should be perfect draws,
> > the result of our perfect play, after exactly
> > 256 moves apiece. *You no doubt already
> > know the line I am talking about, since it
> > is the only one where Black holds a draw.
>
> > * I may go back and start playing bad
> > moves again, just to make it interesting;
> > but those are merely bugs-- quite easily
> > eradicated with a can of Raid.
>
> > * -- buggy bot-
>
> > games.
>
> > Bye
> > Sanny
>
> > PlayChessat:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Sanny,
>
> Maybe Jester isn't the best program forGetClubtesting. I just tested
> it
> myself to see how well it reacts in the opening, and I should have lost
>
> with an unsound sac, but it seemed to give up, or lose composure with
> an exposed king.
>
> yearlypap08 white / JESTER black
> 1:19sec / 0:49sec
> JESTER 1.10e by Stephane NGUYEN
>
> 1.e2-e4 d7-d6
> 2.d2-d4 Ng8-f6
> 3.e4-e5 d6xe5
> 4.Bf1-c4 e5xd4
> 5.Bc4xf7+ Ke8xf7
> 6.Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6
> 7.Ke1-g1 Qd8-d5
> 8.Rf1-e1 e7-e5
> 9.Bc1-g5 e5-e4
> 10.Bg5xf6 e4xf3
> 11.Nb1-c3 Qd5-c4
> 12.Qd1xf3 g7xf6
> 13.Nc3-e4 Bf8-e7
> 14.Ne4-g5+ Kf7-g8
> 15.Re1xe7 Nc6xe7
> 16.Qf3xf6 Ne7-f5
> 17.Ra1-e1 Nf5-e3
> 18.f2xe3 Qc4-c5
> 19.Qf6-f7+
>
> So a lot of goofy-footed moves here.
> Jester just doesn't seem like a reliable sparring partner to tweakGetClub.
> more testing.
> Shredderchess has three depth levels set for beginner play.
>
> And maybe this one is better for the higher levels?http://chessok.com/?page_id=76
>
> --
>
> - Show quoted text -
I am always beaten by the Beginner Level at GetClub. Even I was able
to win with the Shedder program with Easy Level. I think Jester plays
better than the above two programs.
And soon GetClub Chess will play beter than Jester too.
yearlypap08
>
> (Jester's inconsistency)
>
>
> And maybe this one is better for the higher
> levels?http://chessok.com/?page_id=76
>
> --
> yearlypap08- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
>
> I am always beaten by the Beginner Level at GetClub. Even I was able
> to win with the Shedder program with Easy Level. I think Jester plays
> better than the above two programs.
>
> And soon GetClub Chess will play beter than Jester too.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
But Sanny, ChessOK already beats Jester, everytime.
Here are a couple of examples:
JESTER 1.10e by Stephane NGUYEN
(registered for http://www.Ludochess.com)
ChessOK(white) vs Jester(black)
1.e2-e4 c7-c5
2.Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6
3.d2-d4 c5xd4
4.Nf3xd4 Ng8-f6
5.Nb1-c3 e7-e5
6.Nd4-b5 d7-d6
7.Bc1-g5 a7-a6
8.Nb5-a3 b7-b5
9.Bg5xf6 g7xf6
10.Nc3-d5 f6-f5
11.c2-c3 f5xe4
12.Bf1xb5 a6xb5
13.Na3xb5 Qd8-a5
14.Nd5-f6+ Ke8-d8
15.Nb5xd6 Kd8-e7
16.Nd6xe4 Qa5-d8
17.Qd1-h5 Bf8-g7
18.Ra1-d1 Ra8xa2
19.Qh5-g5 Qd8xd1+
20.Ke1xd1 Ra2-a1+
21.Kd1-c2 Ra1xh1
22.Nf6-h5+ Ke7-d7
23.Qg5xg7 Rh8-e8
24.Nh5-f6+ Kd7-d8
25.Ne4-d6 Re8-e6
26.Qg7-f8+ Kd8-c7
27.Nf6-d5+ Kc7-d7
28.Nd6xc8 Nc6-d8
29.Nc8-b6+ Re6xb6
30.Nd5xb6+ Kd7-c7
31.Nb6-d5+ Kc7-c8
32.Qf8-e7 Nd8-e6
33.Qe7xf7 Rh1-d1
34.Qf7xe6+ Kc8-b7
35.Qe6-b6+ Kb7-c8
36.Qb6-c7+
JESTER 1.10e by Stephane NGUYEN
(registered for http://www.Ludochess.com)
Jester(white) vs ChessOK(Black)
1.e2-e4 c7-c5
2.Ng1-f3 d7-d6
3.d2-d4 c5xd4
4.Nf3xd4 Ng8-f6
5.Nb1-c3 a7-a6
6.Bf1-e2 Nb8-d7
7.Bc1-g5 Qd8-b6
8.Ra1-b1 Nd7-c5
9.Bg5xf6 g7xf6
10.b2-b4 Nc5-e6
11.Nc3-d5 Qb6xd4
12.Nd5-c7+ Ke8-d7
13.Qd1xd4 Ne6xd4
14.Nc7xa8 Kd7-c6
15.Be2-d1 Bf8-h6
16.a2-a4 Bc8-d7
17.c2-c3 Nd4-e6
18.b4-b5+ a6xb5
19.a4xb5+ Kc6-c5
20.Rb1-a1 Bd7xb5
21.Ra1-a5 b7-b6
22.Ra5-a7 Ne6-f4
23.Bd1-f3 Nf4-d3+
24.Ke1-f1 Nd3-f4+
25.Kf1-g1 Rh8-g8
26.h2-h3 Bb5-c6
27.Na8-c7 f6-f5
28.Nc7-a6+ Kc5-b5
29.c3-c4+ Kb5xc4
30.Ra7xe7 Bh6-g5
31.Re7xf7 f5xe4
32.Bf3-d1 h7-h5
33.Kg1-h2 Bc6-d5
34.Rf7-d7 Bg5-h4
35.g2-g3 e4-e3
36.Bd1xh5 e3xf2
37.Rh1-c1+ Kc4-b3
38.Bh5-g4 Nf4-e2
39.Na6-c5+ b6xc5
40.Rc1-b1+ Kb3-a2
41.g3xh4 Ka2xb1
42.Bg4xe2 Rg8-g2+
43.Kh2-h1 Rg2-g7+
44.Kh1-h2 Rg7xd7
45.Kh2-g3 Rd7-f7
46.Be2-g4 f2-f1D
47.Bg4-f5+ Rf7xf5
48.Kg3-g4 Qf1-f3+
The famous engine at ChessOK is called Rybka,
and would provide a solid reference to tweak
the GetClub engine. Of course the choice
is entirely up to you. Why not consider a game
between GetClub and ChessOK?
--
yearlypap08
Sanny
wrote:
> > (Jester's inconsistency)
>
> > And maybe this one is better for the higher
> > levels?http://chessok.com/?page_id=76
>
> > --
> > yearlypap08- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> > to win with the Shedder program with Easy Level. I think Jester plays
> > better than the above two programs.
>
>
> > Bye
> > Sanny
>
> > PlayChessat:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> But Sanny, ChessOK already beats Jester, everytime.
> Here are a couple of examples:
>
> JESTER 1.10e by Stephane NGUYEN
> is entirely up to you. Why not consider a game
> betweenGetCluband ChessOK?
>
> yearlypap08- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ok I have a comprtition with ChessOK. Lets see how it plays. Today
GetClub beat Jester very Badly, in just 22 moves.
Game Played between sanjay11 and beginner at GetClub.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
sanjay11: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM16762&game=Chess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
White -- Black
(sanjay11) -- (beginner)
1. e2-e4{4} c7-c5{0}
2. Ng1-f3{34} Nb8-c6{0}
3. d2-d4{6} c5-d4{0}
4. Nf3-d4{6} e7-e6{0}
5. Nb1-c3{6} Bf8-c5{10}
6. Nd4-b5{20} Ng8-f6{8}
7. Nb5-d6{10} Ke8-f8{20}
8. Bf1-b5{14} Qd8-b6{8}
9. Ke1-g1{20} Nc6-d4{12}
10. Nd6-c4{12} Qb6-c7{8}
11. Bb5-a4{16} d7-d5{6}
12. e4-d5{10} Nf6-d5{8}
13. Nc3-e4{10} Kf8-g8{8}
14. a2-a3{10} f7-f6{10}
15. Bc1-d2{10} b7-b5{14}
16. Bd2-a5{12} Qc7-c6{6}
17. b2-b4{10} Nd5-f4{6}
18. Rf1-e1{10} e6-e5{6}
19. b4-c5{10} Bc8-f5{8}
20. Ba4-b5{14} Qc6-b5{8}
21. Ne4-d6{10} Qb5-c6{6}
22. Nd6-e8{10} Qc6-g2{8}
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
sanjay11: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM16762&game=Chess
Sanny
>
> Game Played between sanjay11 and beginner atGetClub.com
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> sanjay11: (White)
> beginner: (Black)
> Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM16762&game=Chess
>
> White -- Black
> (sanjay11) -- (beginner)
>
> 1. e2-e4{4} c7-c5{0}
> 2. Ng1-f3{34} Nb8-c6{0}
> 3. d2-d4{6} c5-d4{0}
> 4. Nf3-d4{6} e7-e6{0}
> 5. Nb1-c3{6} Bf8-c5{10}
> 6. Nd4-b5{20} Ng8-f6{8}
> 7. Nb5-d6{10} Ke8-f8{20}
> 8. Bf1-b5{14} Qd8-b6{8}
> 9. Ke1-g1{20} Nc6-d4{12}
> 10. Nd6-c4{12} Qb6-c7{8}
> 11. Bb5-a4{16} d7-d5{6}
> 12. e4-d5{10} Nf6-d5{8}
> 13. Nc3-e4{10} Kf8-g8{8}
> 14. a2-a3{10} f7-f6{10}
> 15. Bc1-d2{10} b7-b5{14}
> 16. Bd2-a5{12} Qc7-c6{6}
> 17. b2-b4{10} Nd5-f4{6}
> 18. Rf1-e1{10} e6-e5{6}
> 19. b4-c5{10} Bc8-f5{8}
> 20. Ba4-b5{14} Qc6-b5{8}
> 21. Ne4-d6{10} Qb5-c6{6}
> 22. Nd6-e8{10} Qc6-g2{8}
> sanjay11: (White)
> beginner: (Black)
> Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM16762&game=Chess
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Where to play with Chessok?
Bye
Sanny
yearlypap08
Sanny;259434 Wrote:
> On Feb 18, 8:58 pm, Sanny softta...@hotmail.com wrote:[i]
Hi Sanny,
Here is the link, look at the bottom of the board, it has three
difficulty settings:
EASY, MEDIUM and HARD.
http://chessok.com/?page_id=76
Good luck to GetClub Chess!
--
yearlypap08
Sanny
wrote:
I played a Game with Rybka (Hard Level) Beginner Level was able to
win. Rybka sarificed its Rook thinking it will Mate but GetClub
escaped from the Mate.
The Rbka resigned saying Unable to Response. Rybka was playing as good
as Jester I do not find any difference in its game. It was unable to
win the Beginner Level. But may be this happened by some mistake.
Game Played between Rybka and beginner at GetClub.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rybka: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM16789&game=Chess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
White -- Black
(Rybka) -- (beginner)
1. e2-e4{16} e7-e5{0}
2. Ng1-f3{18} Nb8-c6{0}
3. Bf1-b5{10} a7-a6{0}
4. Bb5-c6{14} d7-c6{12}
5. Ke1-g1{14} Qd8-d6{6}
6. d2-d3{14} Bc8-e6{8}
7. b2-b3{16} Ke8-c8{6}
8. Nb1-d2{12} Qd6-c5{8}
9. Nd2-c4{24} Be6-c4{6}
10. b3-c4{16} Qc5-d6{12}
11. Qd1-e1{14} Ng8-f6{10}
12. Ra1-b1{28} Bf8-e7{6}
13. Qe1-e3{20} Kc8-b8{8}
14. Qe3-g5{22} Nf6-e4{20}
15. Qg5-e5{14} Ne4-f6{6}
16. Bc1-f4{18} Qd6-d7{6}
17. Qe5-a5{30} Be7-d6{8}
18. Nf3-e5{14} Qd7-e8{8}
19. Rb1-b7{22} Kb8-b7{10}
20. Rf1-b1{24} Kb7-a7{6}
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rybka: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM16789&game=Chess
Will try more games with Rybka and see If Beginner can win against it.
Sanny
>
> - Show quoted text -
It was a Mate in 4 I suppose But Rybka do not continue the game and
Halted with Error "Unable to response"
yearlypap08
Sanny;259478 Wrote:
> On Feb 19, 1:56 pm, Sanny softta...@hotmail.com wrote:-> [color=green][i]
> Sanny;259434 Wrote:-
> [color=green][i][color=darkred][i]
>
>
> It was a Mate in 4 I suppose But Rybka do not continue the game and
> Halted with Error "Unable to response"
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Sanny,
I thought of something better for GetClub Chess testing. It's the GNU
engine website, this is a sleeper among chess engines, in that it is
very strong, but no one seems to advertise how good it really is.
Originally for LINUX. On the GNU Chess website, you'll see a timed
analysis: "Think Time" ranges from 1/10th second to 2 minutes per move.
You can then find where GetClub Chess is located in strength based on
timed analysis. In this way you can better tweak the strengths and
weaknesses in GetClub moving up one increment of time as you go.
The added benefit of using the GNU engine at http://chess.delorie.com
is that you can always save a game by bookmarking the page, then when
you are ready, you can revisit the bookmark and continue the game.
Also, the computer will give a hint on any position. So you can go back
to any point in the game and see what GNU would have played, and then
work on why GetClub didn't play that move. In this way you can focus
your analysis to make GetClub Chess stronger, quicker!
The GNU engine source codes are also free to download, so you can
improve GetClub Chess by incorporating ideas in the GNU source codes as
well!
http://www.gnu.org/software/chess/#downloading Source codes direct:
http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/chess/
Hope this helps GetClub Chess!
--
yearlypap08