12 April Pairs, Hand 2

Henry Lockwood

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Apr 13, 2012, 5:49:30 AM4/13/12

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Board 12: NS vul, W deals. NS silent throughout.

Q7652 AK8
Q K753
T84 K73
KJ87 A63

P 1NT
2H 2S
end

Should W invite here?

HenryL

sofos

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Apr 13, 2012, 6:49:26 AM4/13/12

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Regardless of the actual result, invites with the type of hand West
has have no place at matchpoints
where conservatism is normally best.

Joachim Parsch

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Apr 13, 2012, 7:05:48 AM4/13/12

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Henry Lockwood schrieb:

Given that E has a fitting maximum consisting only
of aces and kings, and game is still far from cold,
the answer is obviously no.

On a diamond lead, setting up 2 diamond tricks and the
heart ace, you will need trumps 32 and the club finesse
(i.e. 34%).

On any other lead, you'll basically need 2 out of 3 good things
to happen - club finesse, diamond finesse trumps 32
(about 58%).

All in all game is about even money here, so in the long run it
is probably wrong to invite with the West hand.

Joachim

judyo...@gmail.com

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Apr 13, 2012, 10:30:02 AM4/13/12

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What the deal really shows is that the east hand is too strong for a 15-17 1NT. (Even though CCCC is only 16.90.)

Carl

Eric Leong

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Apr 13, 2012, 10:49:24 AM4/13/12

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Just because 4S makes doesn't necessarily mean you want to be there if
you can see only two hands. Four spades basically needs spades to
split and the club queen onsides which already makes the game
somewhere below 50% or at best 50%.

Eric Leong

dak...@aol.com

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Apr 13, 2012, 10:55:11 AM4/13/12

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What the deal really shows is that the east hand is too strong for a
15-17 1NT. (Even though CCCC is only 16.90.)

Carl

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Agree.
All primes and top of the 1NT range.
Second, what step=outs do y'all have?
Short of a jump-accept, yet maximum with 3-support.
I have 2NT for "no weak doubleton" (that's shown).
At worst pushing to 3S. Here 3NT.

Thomas Dehn

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Apr 13, 2012, 11:19:24 AM4/13/12

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Close, but no.

Thomas

Frances

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Apr 13, 2012, 12:28:40 PM4/13/12

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Not at matchpoints, and I don't want to be in game at matchpoints.

derek

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Apr 13, 2012, 7:33:36 PM4/13/12

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On Apr 13, 11:30 am, "judyorc...@verizon.net" <judyorc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

It looks like a 16.90 to me... Flat hands play badly, even in NT.
What makes this hand valuable is not East's Aces and Kings, it's
East's _stoppers_ and two very nicely fitting suits.

In any case, OF COURSE, west should invite. The worst case scenario
is that they'll play in 2N, but in this case they should be playing in
4S. West absolutely has to tell his partner what he has - which is a
5 card spade suit and invitational values. If he doesn't invite now,
his partner is forced to pass.,

tivojohn

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Apr 14, 2012, 4:54:11 PM4/14/12

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In my preferred methods, West has the option of starting with 2C
(Stayman) and rebidding 2S to show exactly 5 spades, appx 7 or 8 high
card points, and a singleton. Opener can pass or inquire about the
suit of the singleton or raise.

If opener's initial rebid is 2S, then it is a close choice between
rebidding 3S or 4S.

This hand is very soft, especially in the trump suit. It is not quite
good enough for the shapely invite. I vote for transfer, which still
leaves open the possibility of getting to a plausible game if opener
superaccepts.

-- john

Andrew

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Apr 14, 2012, 10:07:41 PM4/14/12

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Not vul, I would say no.

Player

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Apr 15, 2012, 5:06:02 AM4/15/12

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I agree with this. I would also not invite playing MPs.
Ron