No strong jumpshift again

[judyo...@gmail.com]

I played on BBO with a stranger, whose profile said WJS.

My partner bid 1C in first seat. No opponent bidding.

I held, of course,

K10x
xxx
AKQJ
Axx

Playing strong JS, I would bid 2D, then minimum NT. No problem.

If I were sure that direct 3NT would show a strong balanced hand, that would be OK. But I'm sure it would not.

So I bid 1D, hear 1S. OK, no choice but 2H. Not so bad if partner can be relied on to show extras if he has them.

He makes the impossible bid of 4H. I bid 6NT down 1.

He had

J9xx
AKQ
xxx
K98

Granted, 4H was unspeakable, but that's not the point. He had to bid with no idea what I was after.

Carl

[Co Wiersma]

In every , more or less natural system the correct first round reply is 1D.
Weak or strong, a jump to 2D shows a 6+ card suit.

2H should be 4th suit forcing and so partner should have bid no trump.

Co Wiersma


Op 4-4-2021 om 03:56 schreef judyo...@verizon.net:

[judyo...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 5:05:07 AM UTC-4, Co Wiersma wrote:
> In every , more or less natural system the correct first round reply is 1D.
> Weak or strong, a jump to 2D shows a 6+ card suit.
>
> 2H should be 4th suit forcing and so partner should have bid no trump.
>
> Co Wiersma

Your "every" is a bid overbid.

How do *you* show the poser of this hand below 3NT?

Carl

[judyo...@gmail.com]

big overbid

power

[Co Wiersma]

1D and after partners 1S bid 2H.(4th suit forcing) as you seem to have done.


Op 8-4-2021 om 16:44 schreef judyo...@verizon.net:

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You and I would have bid the same without one of the side honors.

When can you catch up?

Carl

[judyo...@gmail.com]

A stranger might fear I lacked *both* side honors.

[Co Wiersma]

I do not know what is meant by "side honors"
Neither do I know what is meant by "catching up"

I do know that 4th suit forcing does not promise anything about "side
honors": whatever that means!

Co Wiersma

Op 9-4-2021 om 02:13 schreef judyo...@verizon.net:

[judyo...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 9:30:02 PM UTC-4, Co Wiersma wrote:
> I do not know what is meant by "side honors"
> Neither do I know what is meant by "catching up"
>
> I do know that 4th suit forcing does not promise anything about "side
> honors": whatever that means!
>
> Co Wiersma

Exactly!

You and I still have not given partner (a stranger!) the word that we are interested in slam. Or even confident of game.

Partner is supposed to bid "naturally" at this point. What are the chances that his bid will give you and me enough information to place the contract?

Because for sure it is too late for you and me to describe our holding. We have just run out of forcing bids!

Absurd isn't it? A system that forces a 4333 hand to place the contract.

Carl

[Co Wiersma]

Op 9-4-2021 om 20:55 schreef judyo...@verizon.net:

Most people play 4th suit forcing as forcing to game, though I do not.
Anyway, partner should now somehow show extra's if partner has extra.
Problem is of cause that there may be no universal acepted way to show
extra's. Some will presume the principle of fast arrival, where others
may expect a jump with extra's.

Funnie thing I think that the only logical meaning of 4H be a splinter
bid, probably showing a void in hearts.

Co Wiersma

[judyo...@gmail.com]

On Friday, April 9, 2021 at 5:10:08 PM UTC-4, Co Wiersma wrote:
> Op 9-4-2021 om 20:55 schreef judyo...@verizon.net:

Again, exactly!

What do you do when your partner is a stranger?

For what it's worth, I believe that "fast arrival," as presently understood, is an abomination.

As invented by the Neapolitans, it went as follows: *after* a strain has been agreed, bidding at once to the level you are forced to showed nothing else to say. Nothing wrong with that principle.

That's not what it means now. Now it is the bid that first agrees the strain that may be fast arrival. Not so bad if that said, "I am certain we must play in this strain, and I am bare minimum."

But that's not what it says. It says, "It's OK to play in this strain, and I am minimum, but maybe not bare."

Carl