Another missed slam. Pls comment.
Art Hoffman
Kx, AKQxxxx, AKQ, K
Qxx, xx, 10xxx, Axxx
2C (P) 2D (P)
2H (P) 2NT (P)
3H (P) 4H AP
2D=Neg. or waiting
3C=2nd Neg., if it was bid instead of 2NT.
judyorcarl
Wouldn't opener have bid the same without the spade king?
Is the problem that because of the 2nd neg 4C would show a suit? What
is the typical agreement on how to show a semipositive in the 2nd neg
suit?
Maybe it's necessary to relax the requirement for an immediate 3C
response for this reason.
Carl
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Although I don't like the 3C! = 2nd neg system, we are stuck
with it here. Once partner shows he is not a bust,
how do you play a 4C-jump over 2NT ?
If it is Gerber, you can find out if partner has at least
an Ace.
- - Don - -
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Actually, since you still need to find partner with at least
a Ht or 2 to have a good chance at making 6H if off 1 Ace,
partner's 4H gives you that info. Now are you ready to
ask for key cards .
ttw...@att.net
Couldn't Opener bid 3H over 2D? This shows a solid suit and asks for
cue bids. Then perhaps after 4C, bit 4D to allow Responder to sign
off. Responder can bid 4NT (or 4S if third round control is
acceptable) and either 6H or 6NT can be reached.
Eric Leong
Instead of bidding 4H, East should bid 4C or possibly 3S. This auction
is forcing to game and West has possible slam intentions. East can
certainly contribute one trick and possibly another trick with the
spade queen. Opposite a partner who has promised 9+ tricks, slam has
to be on the horizon. Showing your club feature may be exactly the
card partner is looking for when he has something like: S AK
H AQJ10xxx D -- C KQJx.
Also, West might think what does a 2NT bid look like? Given that you
play a second negative, a 2NT bid is defined as a hand with 5-7 hcp.
Consequently, West can probably afford to bid 4NT to ask for aces.
However, opposite something like: S QJxx H xx D xxxx C Qxx,
5H could go down if trumps split 4-0. Opposite an expert partner you
can presume partner would show his ace if he had it. Opposite a far
less than expert partner you might have to take a chance that partner
might have made a mistake and not bid his ace.
Eric Leong
henry...@yahoo.com
In part, the answer to this question depends on whether
Jxxx
xx
Jxx
QJxx
is a second negative or not. If it is, then going past the 4 level is
dangerous.
However, if it IS a second negative (it would be for me), then there
is no hand that responder can have that puts 5h in jeopardy, and so
opener can make a move over 4h.
I don't see that responder has any other reasonable options other than
rebidding 2nt and raising to 4h.
Henrysun909
henry...@yahoo.com
Eric's view is certainly reasonable and in a practiced partnership
would be the obviously correct solution.
Henrysun909
rich
> Kx, AKQxxxx, AKQ, K
>
> Qxx, xx, 10xxx, Axxx
2C - 2D
3H* - 4C
4N - 5D
6H
*(I don't need your help figuring out what is trumps, cue bid please)
Rich Regan
PS. I think it is far superior to play 2H as a double negative, and
2D as GF. Or some variation thereof.
Sid
"Art Hoffman" <ar...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Responder should perhaps bid 4C instead of 4H. He was obviously worried
that this would show clubs, since 3C was conventional. Even if clubs are
raised now, a retreat to hearts (albeit 5-level) will show this hand.
Sid
Will in New Haven
A 3H rebid, showing a suit playable opposite almost nothing and asking
partner to cue-bid, would work but not everyone plays that.
As bid, I would not simply continue to 4H over 3H. If 4C is
misunderstood, partner will figure out that it was a cue-bid when I go
back to Hearts on the next round.
--
Will in New Haven
castigamatti
2C - 2D
2H - 2N
3H - 4H
4N - 5C
6H All pass
Partner must have some values somewhere and S Jxx H xx D Jxxx C QJxx
is not enough for a positive response after a 2H rebid from opener.
2C - 2D
2H - 3C ( double negative)
3H - 4H
All pass
B.R.
boblipton
I don't like 2D. Yes, I know, you play 2 Diamonds waiting. It's
terrible understanding and if the vulnerability is favorable to us
we're already at 3 Spades by the time it comes back to opener. CHange
the system.
I don;'like 2 Hearts. Opener should have rebid 3 Hearts.
Bob
KWSchneider
2H is bad bid IMHO - should be 3H. Then responder can cue CA. In the
auction as shown, I would take a shot at RKCB after responder supports
hearts [4H]. Your hand is virtually cold for 5H without anything from
partner.
Cheers,
Kurt
Kieran Dyke
"Art Hoffman" <ar...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Opener might have bid 3H (solid suit, demanding cues) over 2D, which would
simplify the auction if responder has a clue.
However, given the failure to cue the club ace over 3H, I doubt that
responder has a clue. If opener knows that their partner is that hopeless,
they should have continued with Blackwood.
Tiggrr