Constructive bidding after a preempt
sofos
3C 3D
3NT 4C
P
The 3D bidder held AKxx 98xxx Q KTx
He said he expected the opener to bid an automatic 3H over 3D so that
he could bid 4C as a game try the idea being that this way 4C
immediately can be used as a further preempt. I am being told that
some people do indeed play this way although this is news to me. In
the actual auction opener was unaware of responder's intentions.
Ignoring the obvious problem of springing up such a bid on an
unsuspecting partner, what do you think of the idea?
David W.
IMHO, it is a borderline silly idea. The only situation in which I
might agree to play it is if my partnership used extremely
undisciplined preempts but even then. Otherwise, here are the
downsides as I see it:
1. Allows the opponents to double not one but TWO artificial bids for
lead-directing (or other) purposes.
2. Allows 4th hand to get in a (cheap(er)) 3M bid that they would
otherwise not be able to make (over 4C)
3. Creates granularity where none is needed. When partner opens a 3-
bid, their hand is quite limited and delicacy in the auction is rarely
relevant. Constructive bidding after preempts, while not a ridiculous
notion, is certainly not the usual plan.
4. Takes away a natural (or lead-directing) bid; surely there are
times when responder wishes to suggest a lead before the opponents get
in e.g., x, xxxxx, KQJx, QJx. Also, what does responder do if the
opening bid is 3D? Bid 3H?
5. Does not tell opener anything about responder's hand that might be
useful in evaluating whether or not to proceed to game; it is
essentially a better raise than an immediate one.
6. Takes away other (perhaps more useful) bidding strategies such as
using 4m to ask opener not to get in the way et al.
I'm sure there are others but these spring to mind right away.
Cheers,
David W.
Nick France
And add to that that it takes away no room for the opponents to have a
constructive auction of their own. I really see very little use for
it. I do hope they are alerting it.
Nick France
Raija D
"sofos" <papak...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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I don't like that at all. And it is news to me as well.
Others have listed some significant disadvantages so I won't repeat.
boblipton
I am always hesitant to institute new, artificial calls in preference
to natural calls and I certainly don't see how anything is gained on
this hand even with the understanding in place.
Bob
Bob
Eric Leong
I would have gambled 5C with your partner's hand.
With something like: S xx H x D xxx C AQJxxxx, 5C has a decent
play and you don't even have half the deck in hcp.
Eric Leong
sofos
It was not my partner. I wanted comments on the idea of using 3D
artificially. I am sure that 5C might have been a better bid but that
was not the subject of the discussion.
David Stevenson
Not a lot. With a 5C bid I bid 5C.
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jonathan23
That seems strange to me, and certainly not something I would expect to
do with someone I didn't know.
A pre-empt should give the pre-empter's partner a fairly clear idea of
what they have. 3H is supposed to be forcing and natural anyway, but I
wouldn't have bid it on that hand. I _might_ have bid 5C (and that
might have been a mistake, too, for all I know).
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Andrew
> 3C 3D
> 3NT 4C
> P
>
> The 3D bidder held AKxx 98xxx Q KTx
>
> He said he expected the opener to bid an automatic 3H over 3D so that
> he could bid 4C as a game try the idea being that this way 4C
> immediately can be used as a further preempt.
I think responder is being over scientific. In preemptive auctions,
subtle invitations go out the window. Responder should bid 4C or 5C
depending on his mood.
An alternative is 3S, planning to later correct to 5C. This sequence
shows a GF club raise and calls for a spade lead if the opponents
compete to 5D.
Andrew
Fred.
I think 3D a poor idea. When you chose to preempt, you gave up the
possibility of a refined auction to deny information to the
opponents. The 3D gives them a chance to guess what's going on at a
level where they can still exchange information, without giving your
side much chance to clarify things offensively.
With a likely 11 combined trumps partner should raise to 5C without
looking at the rest of the hand except make sure a raise to 6C isn't
made necessary by playing tricks or a lack of defense. Of course,
this choice is easier with a farily disciplined preempt, but this
particular hand has so much offense and defense I wouldn't worry too
much about a lack of discipline.
In short, responder should bid 5C and keep up the good work of making
the opponents guess.
Fred.
Fred.
Sorry. A mere 10 trump. Still go 5C.
Fred.